Big fine should be coming for Leon Hall, but that won’t help Packers

AP

Packers receiver Jordy Nelson has at least two broken ribs, arising from a helmet to the midsection from Giants defensive back Leon Hall. Hall inexplicably wasn’t flagged. He undoubtedly will be fined.

While that won’t help the Packers on Sunday, when they’ll most likely be forced to proceed without Nelson, a fine would constitute an acknowledgment that referee Ed Hochuli’s mismatched wild-card crew missed a clear foul.

It’s widely known that helmet-to-helmet hits and blows to the head and neck of defenseless receivers violate the rules. But defenseless receivers also can’t be struck in the strike zone with the helmet of the defensive player. Hall did that, breaking Nelson’s ribs, knocking him out of the game, and ultimately not helping the Giants win.

Strangely, the Packers offense woke up after Nelson left, scoring 38 points without him on the field. That’s a testament to the higher level of performance that quarterback Aaron Rodgers has discovered. He’ll need to keep that up against the Cowboys, especially if Nelson doesn’t play — and if the Cowboys manage to score more than six points if the Green Bay offense sputters for multiple drives.

55 responses to “Big fine should be coming for Leon Hall, but that won’t help Packers

  1. Hall would glady pay twice as much to advance in the playoffs. But there is not enough mustard in the world to cover that hotdog, OBJ and his boat crew.

    Enjoy your off season.

  2. was gonna watch the video until it started….ill pass.

    “the strike zone” might as well make it 2 hand touch. if he wears his proper pads he doesnt have broken ribs.

  3. It stinks but hopefully the WRs can play like they did for the last 35 minutes of game time on Sunday.

    The defenders played decent, but watching the WRs scream past the DBs was unnerving, fortunately to only have them drop the ball.

  4. According to the announcers and that ex refree Mike P. it is a penalty to use the helmet when striking. It’s a safety issue, one of the many new rules designed to prevent head and neck injury.

  5. bigmikeskinsfan says:
    Jan 10, 2017 4:30 PM

    was gonna watch the video until it started….ill pass.

    “the strike zone” might as well make it 2 hand touch. if he wears his proper pads he doesnt have broken ribs.

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    if he doesn’t spear him with his helmet, Nelson doesn’t have broken ribs.

  6. Not your Daddy’s NFL.

    I’m convinced my team lost a game due to the safety not even trying to make a play on a “defenseless” pad and helmet wearing WR.

  7. SO WHAT IF ALLISON AND COBB AND MONTGOMERY ALL GO DOWN?

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    Then they would be like the Viking at 100 percent… irrelevant.

  8. leatherface2012 says:
    Jan 10, 2017 4:42 PM
    SO WHAT IF ALLISON AND COBB AND MONTGOMERY ALL GO DOWN?
    ___________________

    You put Michael, Adams, Richard Rodgers and Jeff Janis in, and keep moving forward.

    Every team faces adversity, you can either overcome or not, but if you don’t overcome it you have two choices, own it and keep your head up, or make a bunch of excuses as to why things didn’t “go their way”

  9. At the sideline there was absolutely no reason to lead with the helmet. None.

    A shoulder blast would’ve been just as effective in preventing Nelson from regaining control of the ball.

    Truth-O-Meter finds this play: Dirty and illegal.

  10. “how is this a fine?
    Ludicrous. That was a fair hit. Absurd rule.”

    Its called spearing. You cannot slam the crown of your helmet into someone and its been a rule since long before Goodell and his cronies started softening defense.

    He could have hit Nelson with his shoulder legal hit. Could have wrapped him up and tackled him legal hit. But spearing goes hand in hand with trying to intentionally cause serious injury to the target, its dirty as well as being illegal.

  11. It really isn’t a hard concept, you cannot lead with your head. Turn the head and hit with your shoulder. So simple a vikings fan can understand…. Wait, never mind.

  12. The officials should be fined for missing that penalty, too. I watched it live and could not believe there was no flag thrown for that hit. It was blatantly illegal.

  13. He hit him when he was in the air trying to catch a ball, not in the head… in the side. What should he have done. Waited until little Jordy came down and then touch him with two hands? It wasn’t a dirty shot at all, it’s football for crying out loud. The only reason it’s an issue and the media thinks it deserves a fine is because it happened to a Golden Boy Packer. A player on any other team in the league and it’s not a big deal.

  14. “leatherface2012 says:
    Jan 10, 2017 4:42 PM

    SO WHAT IF ALLISON AND COBB AND MONTGOMERY ALL GO DOWN?”

    Then the Packers receivers will only be slightly better than Minnesota’s receiving corps.

  15. why would he be fined? Running backs get hit with the crown of the helmet all the time.. If it was helmet to helmet then sure but hitting a guy in the midsection just seems to be good football..

  16. harrisonhits2 says:
    Jan 10, 2017 5:11 PM

    “how is this a fine?
    Ludicrous. That was a fair hit. Absurd rule.”

    Its called spearing. You cannot slam the crown of your helmet into someone and its been a rule since long before Goodell and his cronies started softening defense.

    He could have hit Nelson with his shoulder legal hit. Could have wrapped him up and tackled him legal hit. But spearing goes hand in hand with trying to intentionally cause serious injury to the target, its dirty as well as being illegal.
    **************
    It’s only illegal if done to a packer player, not by one.

  17. Should not have been flagged, should not be fined. If the rules are now that defensive players can no longer make contact with offensive players, don’t just put a team in London, they can have the whole goddam league.

  18. It’s playoffs football children…it’s going to be spirited and hopefully get physical. Any other time, fans would be complaining about the lack of competition and boring, mechanical play. Seems like the Packers always are whining about something these days and can’t even win without complaining.
    I don’t even have a dog in the race but can’t stand wussified and watered down play. If the refs didn’t call it then that should be the end of it…ENOUGH!

  19. I cannot believe how uninformed so many posters are to these boards. You cannot lead with the crown of the helmet when making a tackle period. It’s for the safety of BOTH players. That said, here’s what I’d do if I were NFL Comish, I’d levy a fine in all cases of spearing, and I’d eject the guilty player for the remainder of the game IF the player speared leaves the game due to an injury sustained by the play. In addition, said player would be suspended w/o pay for as many games as the injured player misses due to the injury.

  20. See, what happened was, all the refs flags were in that bag the airline lost. Yeah, that’s it.

    Seriously, I can’t remember seeing a game where the refs just didn’t call penalties unless they were so blatantly obvious there was no way at all to get out of not calling them.

    Heck, Bahktiari didn’t even get a flag and he gets one every game.

  21. You hate to see any player, much less a heroic player with a Superbowl pedigree like Jordy Nelson go down – especially since he plays for the beloved Green Bay Packers.

    Fortunately we have the deepest roster in the league, and if any team can overcome such a loss, it’s the 13 time World Champions.

  22. Grew up an Oiler fan. One of the best plays I’ve ever seen was watching Campbell absolutely level Isiah Robertson. Got him right in the sternum with the crown of his helmet, knocked him flat on his back and gained another 15 yards, or so. Campbell did that quite a bit.
    Look at him now. Spent years addicted to narcotics, can barely get around even with a walker.
    That’s why you don’t lead with your helmet – unless you think that a few seconds of “glory” is enough for an entire lifetime.

  23. No matter what at the end of the day the Packers were finally able to beat the Giants in a playoff game.
    But also at the end of the day you are still in Green Bay
    So go ice fishing

  24. I find it funny how outraged the packer fans are over this hit, but yet, they think the clay Matthews hit on that Bears quarterback that broke his arm was perfectly legal and acceptable. You know, that one where he lead with the crown of his helmet?

    Oh wait I’m sorry.

    HOW DARE I QUESTION THE SANCTITY AND PURITY OF THE GREEN BAY PACKERS AND THEIR FANS!

  25. If Jordy didn’t take his eyes off the ball to see where Hall was, Jordy would have caught the ball and wouldn’t have exposed his midsection.
    Hall is playing safety and is his job to dislodge the receiver from the ball. We might as well just start playing 2 hand touch and be done with this as a contact sport.

  26. Packer fans that are old enough to remember Chuck Cecil play, as he is part of the reason leading with the crown of your helmet is illegal.

    It certainly will be fined, should have been flagged, but I don’t think the guy was going in there meaning to break ribs. That play is equally dangerous to the defender. I think he expected the target to move eventually while he was bobbling and it didn’t.

    Get well Jordy.

  27. A Spear is when you lead with the crown of your Helment. He did not, Jordy Nelson wants to be fast and have the leave amount of equipment. His fault. Period.

    20 years experience coaching football, 10 years playing.

  28. goldtooth80 says:
    Jan 11, 2017 10:22 AM

    A Spear is when you lead with the crown of your Helment. He did not, Jordy Nelson wants to be fast and have the leave amount of equipment. His fault. Period.

    20 years experience coaching football, 10 years playing.
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    I think you need better glasses gold…, the replay shows beyond any question the crown (top) of his helmet impacting the lower rib cage on Jordy. It was a text book example of a spear. Now had he hit Jordy there with a shoulder pad, no issues what so ever, even if it would have broke all Jordy’s ribs.

  29. Let Ed Hochuli get rammed in the ribs by charging DB with his helmet first and then he can decide if that was an illegal hit the next time it happens in front of him.

  30. Can’t believe the “it’s not a dirty hit” nobody saying it was dirty or intentional. It’s fine worthy because spearing someone has been a penalty for a very long time in football. The player’s intentions are irrelevant in this kind of situation.

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