Many great players are calling Tom Brady the best ever

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Is Patriots quarterback Tom Brady the greatest player in NFL history? A long list of Hall of Fame players think so.

As Brady prepares to play in his NFL record seventh Super Bowl, he’s been proclaimed the best ever to play the game by a couple dozen Hall of Famers, as compiled by NFL writer Dov Kleiman.

Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman said he’s always considered Joe Montana the greatest, but has now changed his mind and gives the nod to Brady.

After the Patriots won their 201st game with Brady starting, the most in NFL history, Brett Favre released a video saying to Brady, “You’re the best.”

I surrender,” wrote Hall of Fame quarterback Fran Tarkenton. “He is the greatest QB ever.”

Ray Lewis, perhaps the best defensive player of Brady’s generation, called Brady “the best quarterback we’ve ever seen.”

Lewis’s teammate Ed Reed agreed in an Inside the NFL segment, as did Boomer Esiason (although Phil Simms wouldn’t commit).

Darrelle Revis, who has played both with and against Brady, calls him the best ever.

The great former Steelers receiver Hines Ward called Brady the best of all time this week.

Hall of Fame running back Barry Sanders said this week that Brady is obviously the greatest quarterback ever.

Kurt Warner, a Hall of Fame candidate, said this week that Brady has already settled the debate and established himself as the best quarterback ever.

Joe Theismann said the same this week.

And a great coach who was a pretty big quarterback, Jim Harbaugh, called Brady the best football player ever.

A fifth Super Bowl ring could be a crowning achievement for Brady, but many of the all-time greats think Brady is already the greatest of all time.

153 responses to “Many great players are calling Tom Brady the best ever

  1. Maybe because they never played against the likes Joe Montana,Ken Stabler,Dan Marino or Roger Staubach.Any QB will look good against the liberalize passing rules.

  2. A friend asked me earlier this week who I thought would win the SB. My response was, “Would you really want to bet against Tom Brady?”

  3. Montana has appeared on various shows before superbowl 46 and superbowl 49 talking about Brady. Haven’t heard his thoughts about this superbowl… interesting. If the pats lose you bet you’re gonna see a tweet or two from jerry rice

  4. cgsuddeath says:
    Feb 4, 2017 4:23 PM

    Maybe because they never played against the likes Joe Montana,Ken Stabler,Dan Marino or Roger Staubach.Any QB will look good against the liberalize passing rules.
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    Ken Stabler? Really? You mean the Ken Stabler who had 194 TDs, 222 interceptions and a career QB rating of 75.3?

  5. Brady has rendered hatriot nation completely irrelevant.

    Aside from a few far flung morons and multi-user-name posters mouth breathers on this site, everybody outside of hatriot nation knows Brady is the GOAT

  6. Can’t compare the eras because of the rule changes. People should stick to giving a person the crown of their era and stop disrespecting the players who came before who played under different rules. Just like we don’t know how some of them would have fared against bigger, stronger, faster players, we don’t know how QBs today would have dealt with receivers being able to be tackled down the field. He’s certainly the best of this era just like Montana was the king of his and Unitas was the king of his.

  7. If I’ve learned nothing else it’s that I would never bet money against Tom Brady. He is the GOAT. I hate Donald Trump and don’t care who Brady voted for.

  8. I have been a loyal Patriot and NFL fan since 1968. I have seen a lot of quarterback come and go they are most always judged by rings
    Although a lot of the greats do not have one.
    As a Patriot fan I consider myself very fortunate to see a run as long as this. If TB is not the best ever it has to be a tie.

  9. cgsuddeath says:
    Feb 4, 2017 4:23 PM
    Maybe because they never played against the likes Joe Montana,Ken Stabler,Dan Marino or Roger Staubach.Any QB will look good against the liberalize passing rules.
    *****************************

    Actually Theisman and Tarkenton did play against those guys. But don’t let those darned “facts” get in the way of your hissy-fit.

  10. Please!! If Tom Brady played in the No Salary Cap Era he it would just cater to his best skill CONSISTENCY. If Brady could keep the same team together year after year and not have to worry about them leaving they would be in the Super Bowl every year instead of every other year lol. Brady is the GOAT

  11. Many football people studying the game today are saying Aaron Rodgers is by far the best QB playing right now. So if you’re studying the tape, Rodgers is the best today. If you’re looking at lifetime statistics, Brady is easily the best. Both arguments are correct, they’re just looking at two different things. Statistically Emmitt Smith is the best RB of all time. There’s no argument. But was he a better player on tape than Jim Brown? There are two ways to evaluate. Stats and tape. On tape, Joe Montana is easily the greatest football player in history.

  12. I usually post here tongue in cheek with regards to anything Patriots. Now i’ll weigh in seriously on this with 47 years of football (playing, 9 years, coaching 25 years and officiating (now winding down after 13 seasons) experience.

    1 Brady is right there and deserves it when he’s called GOAT

    2. I think there are a lot of young guys here that really don’t understand howmthe game was played pre 1990.

    3. Before the NFL decided to open up the game to produce more ratings a wide receiver and a QB were like gladiators thrown into an arena with lions. The wide receivers were absolutely mugged coming off the line and all over the field. QB’s were fair game anywhere and some ofmthe most vicious hits in nfl history were dished out on QB’s without as much as a warning.

    4. Highly recommended viewing for young guys would be raiders/steelers in late 70’s and cowboys/redskins all through the 70’s. no holds barred all out warfare.

    5. The patriots style of play wouldn’t have flied in the 70’s, the short passing game would get completely disrupted by the good defenses that would manhandle guys coming off line.

    6. Brady is tough as nails but how comfortable would he be sitting in pocket when getting clotheslined , horse collard and anything else was that was legal.

    7. All the rules now favor the offense, you can’t even bump into a receiver after 5 yards and simply falling into a QB below the waist or brushing your hand across his helmet is 15 yards.

    8. In conclusion i have seen most ofmthe great QB’s and Brady is right there with all of them but onemthing i know is that if you put a guy like staubach in today’s game or montana or bart starr they’d be right there with him. Stats are useless it’s a different game.

    Looking forward to a great game

  13. Let’s be reasonable now…while it’s certainly noteworthy that Hall of Famers Troy Aikman, Barry Sanders, and Fran Tarkenton said he’s the best ever and countless HOF worthy players echoed those same sentiments, how can we all really be sure until the likes of jchipwood, patsfan4lifesbchamps, and flaccojumpball give us their expert opinion?

  14. cgsuddeath says:
    Feb 4, 2017 4:23 PM
    Maybe because they never played against the likes Joe Montana,Ken Stabler,Dan Marino or Roger Staubach
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    Did you read the names in the article above? They overlap the careers of every player you mentioned. How did you come up with your list and not know that? It’s one thing to be uninformed, it’s another to proclaim your ignorance to the world. If you have some insecure need to Brady that’s one thing but dissing teh opinions of greats to try throwing shade at one of teh greatest to ever plays the game says more about the credibility of your opinion than it does about the quality of theirs.

  15. realfootballfan says:
    Feb 4, 2017 4:47 PM
    Can’t compare the eras because of the rule changes. People should stick to giving a person the crown of their era and stop disrespecting the players who came before who played under different rules. Just like we don’t know how some of them would have fared against bigger, stronger, faster players, we don’t know how QBs today would have dealt with receivers being able to be tackled down the field. He’s certainly the best of this era just like Montana was the king of his and Unitas was the king of his.
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    Although I completely agree with the premise of your Statement, this is mostly bar room talk, but Brady won 3 of his 4 rings early on in his career when you could play real defense plus he’s dealt with free agency/salary cap. If he had won all his rings in the wussy defense/ passing era I’d agree, but he’s the greatest.

    We are splitting hairs here as that doesn’t take anything away from from how truly great Montana/Unitas and the like were:

  16. We will now be told by a bunch of fat 40 year old virgins and millenials who never played any sport and are living in Mom’s basement why the players don’t know anything and how Brady has no talent.

    Lolz

  17. Brady is the best QB of all time, and will more than likely hold that title for the few decades. He is to this generation what Staubach, and Montana were to their generations.

    Patriots fan or not, if you call Brady anything but the best of all time, you are delusional. I’m not a Pats fan at all, and what Brady has done is simply remarkable.

  18. Joe Montana and the 49ers would have gone to the Super Bowl 15 straight years and most likely won 12 of them if they where in this division New England plays in !!!

  19. tinkletinkleonyourstar says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:06 PM
    System qb
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    Every team has a system. Every team has a QB.

    Ergo, every QB is a “system QB.” Maybe none more so in the history of the game as cool Joe Montana, FWIW. West Coast offense when it was brand new and no one knew how to stop it.

  20. They left out “chippy” admitting Brady is the best player ever.

    Kudos to Revis for telling the truth while still playing for the Jets and to Ward and Lewis for giving props to a competitor.

  21. And this all means that his fans are goat too, and directly contribute to his success, and soon will be moving out of mom’s basement to find a real job and maybe a first girl friend instead of devoting every hour of their waking day to their darling Prince Tom who doesn’t care about them and hopes to never personally meet them

  22. … but or course you’re OK with NE not being in your team’s division. Am I right or am I right?

  23. tonebones says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:06 PM
    There are two ways to evaluate. Stats and tape. On tape, Joe Montana is easily the greatest football player in history.
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    As someone who has been watching football from Tittle to Rodgers most anyone viewing that ‘tape’ objectively without knowing who they were would take Staubach or Tarkenton over Montana or Brady. But best ever is about a career in it’s totality and from that standpoint in the SB era it comes down to Brady and Montana. Because of the disparity in the pre and post cap/FA eras we can’t effectively compare Brady and Montana head to head. The best we can do is look at how they dominated their eras in comparison to their peers keeping in mind the teams they were given and that nod goes to Brady.

  24. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:16 PM
    Joe Montana and the 49ers would have gone to the Super Bowl 15 straight years and most likely won 12 of them if they where in this division New England plays in !!!
    ==================================
    Montana actually played in an easier division. Atlanta, the Saint, and the Rams were horrific when Montana played them. The NFC West has been a joke. To be honest, I don’t hold that against him. He played the schedule and lit it up just like Brady had done.

  25. I like Brady and some all time greats think he’s the GOAT. However, 10% of the living HOF members adding their voices is hardly definitive.

  26. As a Patriots fan, hearing the voices of NFL history finally get on board and recognize Brady for what he is fills me with many emotions. But mostly…

    …Mostly suspicion. What’s Park Ave up to if all of a sudden people are allowed to compliment TB12?

  27. I think Brady is a great QB, however most of the great QB from many years ago would do just as good as Brady if they were on this team with todays rules and coach BB. Brady record speaks for itself. Leave the guy alone, play football on Sunday for the enjoyment of the game. Bill

  28. Spygate helped especially after Goodell destroyed the tapes. Now what was on the tapes? We’ll never know since Kraft had Goodell destroy them at Gillette Stadium. BB was mad at being fired by the Browns. He wanted revenge so he started cheating as soon as he got to New England. I mean what other commissioner has helped a team destroy evidence of cheating? Goodell helped since he was the new commissioner, didn’t want to take back their titles, and Kraft helped the NFL get a deal with CBS

  29. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:16 PM
    Joe Montana and the 49ers would have gone to the Super Bowl 15 straight years and most likely won 12 of them if they where in this division New England plays in !!!

    —–

    Whoa, that statement is all sorts of crazy–but you must have already known that. (I hope)

    Back here on Earth, we could collectively make a case that in the salary cap era where Brady’s cast literally turns over every few years and he’s constantly having to play with new, mid-late round or undrafted talent, his accomplishments are even more incredible by comparison.

    Montana had a GREAT team loaded with HOFers, or ones that were borderline throughout his tenure there. Yeah, he had to go through the Bears and Giants back then to get to the promised land, but he didn’t have to throw to the David Pattens, Jabbar Gaffneys, and Reche Caldwells of the world to get there either.

  30. Most of these guys never saw any of the past greats play or know anything about them.
    Tom Brady, like all the QB’s of this era, is playing QB at a time when all the rules are geared for passing. He also benefits from superior training and nutrition which players of the past did not have. Most importantly, he’s playing in an era in which you even breathe on a QB, they throw a flag on you. Plus, his WR’s can’t be touched, either. Years ago, the DB’s could bang on the WR’s until the ball was in the air.
    I have watched the NFL since 1960, religiously. I’ve also gone back and looked at footage of the players who played before 1960 and read all I can about them.
    Here’s my opinion, which is just as valid as these players, in my view.
    Tom Brady is the best QB of his era, no question. He’s also one of the greatest QB’s to have ever played the position. But that’s where I draw the line. Saying he’s the greatest QB of all time is just an opinion with no way to prove or disprove it.
    I will tell you this. If you look at how dominant a QB is during his era, which I believe is the truest method of evaluating how good a QB is, there are guys who dominated their eras more than Brady has his. How about Otto Graham? All he did was take his teams in two different leagues (the old All America Football Conference and the NFL) to the championship game every year from 1946 to 1955, winning 7 championships total. His 8.98 career yards per passing attempt is still the NFL record.
    And before Graham, you had Sammy Baugh. Baugh was so ahead of his time it wasn’t even close. Baugh had a cannon for an arm, and in spite of the fact that he played when the NFL used the “balloon ball”, he was as accurate as today’s best QB’s.
    In 1943, Baugh not only led the league in passing, he also led the league in interceptions playing DB (he had 11 of them), and led the league in punting, too (45.9 yards average). He threw 23 TD passes that year, which was the 3rd highest all time up until then, and his completion percentage was 55.6 when the rest of the league was 42.6.
    Baugh dominated his era more than anyone before or since. And to measure a QB’s greatness, you must use his dominance of his era as the measuring stick. Championships are great, but they are not the ultimate standard for greatness. You have to play on good teams to win championships.
    Of all the great QB’s I’ve seen play, the one guy I’d want on my team if I had one game to win would be Johnny Unitas. That guy could do it all. He was as tough as a linebacker in an era where defenses tried to kill QB’s with little interference from the officials. He had a rifle arm and pinpoint control, and he was one of the greatest leaders who ever stepped on a football field. And smart? He was a genius on the football field, he really was.
    So these modern players can say what they want, but I think they do a grave injustice to all the great QB’s who played in the past by saying Brady is the best of all time.
    If anyone doubts that guys like Graham, Baugh, and Unitas and others wouldn’t be as great in this era if all things were equal, I say they are wrong.

  31. Not as great as Bob Griese or Jay Fiedler right Chippy. Where is Chippy trolling all patriot stories? He will show up with some absurd comment full of vitriole and hate, but funny….like a clown

  32. tinkletinkleonyourstar says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:06 PM

    System qb
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    They are all system quarterbacks. Do you think they are just out there freelancing?

  33. mmack66 says:
    Feb 4, 2017
    They are all system quarterbacks. Do you think they are just out there freelancing?

    All are? Then how did peyton manning go to 4 super bowls with different coaches?

  34. Still Joe Montana for me. 4-0 in the Super Bowl, no interceptions thrown, rules have been relaxed to make passing easier since Brady started, and no cheating scandals hanging over the 49’ers heads. Brady is a close 2nd.

  35. The Truth, you do realize that Bill Polian actually got the NFL to loosen the rules because the Patriots played the Colts receivers physically? Much of what we see that in the rules todsy that favors the offense was put in to help Peyton Manning.

    Brady’s excellence was denied for years because he wasn’t a”stat” guy. He’s a team guy focused on winning championships. It wasn’t until he broke all the records with Moss that he started to get the individual acclaim.

    Not only did the NFL bend to Polian’s pressure, the NFL has taken three first round draft picks from the Patriots in the Belichick era, several other draft choices, fined them, and suspended Brady. I found it interesting that teams that humiliated the Colts (Saints, Patriots) nwere abused by the NFL office following Oeyton Manning going down to defeat. It not a coincidence that Manning was the spokesman for many of the major NFL advertisers.

    Belichick is fond of saying: “stats are for losers”. Nor does he parade around like Coach Ditka hyping products. He’s too busy preparing for the next game.

  36. This is like asking, “Who was the first man to land on the moon.” There is only one correct answer, but some flat earthers will answer, “We’ve never been to the moon!”

    Any answer other than “Brady” will garner the same eye roll.

  37. nyneal says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:45 PM
    Most of these guys never saw any of the past greats play or know anything about them.
    Tom Brady, like all the QB’s of this era, is playing QB at a time when all the rules are geared for passing. He also benefits from superior training and nutrition which players of the past did not have. Most importantly, he’s playing in an era in which you even breathe on a QB, they throw a flag on you. Plus, his WR’s can’t be touched, either. Years ago, the DB’s could bang on the WR’s until the ball was in the air.
    I have watched the NFL since 1960, religiously. I’ve also gone back and looked at footage of the players who played before 1960 and read all I can about them.
    Here’s my opinion, which is just as valid as these players, in my view.
    Tom Brady is the best QB of his era, no question. He’s also one of the greatest QB’s to have ever played the position. But that’s where I draw the line. Saying he’s the greatest QB of all time is just an opinion with no way to prove or disprove it.
    I will tell you this. If you look at how dominant a QB is during his era, which I believe is the truest method of evaluating how good a QB is, there are guys who dominated their eras more than Brady has his. How about Otto Graham? All he did was take his teams in two different leagues (the old All America Football Conference and the NFL) to the championship game every year from 1946 to 1955, winning 7 championships total. His 8.98 career yards per passing attempt is still the NFL record.
    And before Graham, you had Sammy Baugh. Baugh was so ahead of his time it wasn’t even close. Baugh had a cannon for an arm, and in spite of the fact that he played when the NFL used the “balloon ball”, he was as accurate as today’s best QB’s.
    In 1943, Baugh not only led the league in passing, he also led the league in interceptions playing DB (he had 11 of them), and led the league in punting, too (45.9 yards average). He threw 23 TD passes that year, which was the 3rd highest all time up until then, and his completion percentage was 55.6 when the rest of the league was 42.6.
    Baugh dominated his era more than anyone before or since. And to measure a QB’s greatness, you must use his dominance of his era as the measuring stick. Championships are great, but they are not the ultimate standard for greatness. You have to play on good teams to win championships.
    Of all the great QB’s I’ve seen play, the one guy I’d want on my team if I had one game to win would be Johnny Unitas. That guy could do it all. He was as tough as a linebacker in an era where defenses tried to kill QB’s with little interference from the officials. He had a rifle arm and pinpoint control, and he was one of the greatest leaders who ever stepped on a football field. And smart? He was a genius on the football field, he really was.
    So these modern players can say what they want, but I think they do a grave injustice to all the great QB’s who played in the past by saying Brady is the best of all time.
    If anyone doubts that guys like Graham, Baugh, and Unitas and others wouldn’t be as great in this era if all things were equal, I say they are wrong.
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    Good grief, this is the comments section not the essay section.

  38. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:16 PM
    Joe Montana and the 49ers would have gone to the Super Bowl 15 straight years and most likely won 12 of them if they where in this division New England plays in
    =======================

    Nothing says unimaginative quite like repeating the same baseless bs over and over. How does the division NE is in account for their near identical win percentage outside of it/? Or their .727 playoff percentage?

  39. Im sorry but when passed pats say brady and the pats cheat, than brady cant be even in the talks. Besides Mr Mannings numbers say he is the best

  40. jag1959 says… from Tittle to Rodgers …..Staubach..
    ..or Tarkenton over Montana…that nod goes to Brady..
    *****************************
    I love memory lane too, but I didn’t see Tittle or Otto Graham. I still thought Joe was by far better, but why do so many people watching football today not even think Tom is as good as Aaron? Forget memory lane for a minute. If Aaron Rodgers is the best QB today, and Tom Brady is playing today, how is Tom better? Is that alternative facts? Ahh. I get it! That does seem to be going around these days.

  41. @thetruth, you’re overlooking cap and FA. You can’t list all the reasons why Brady isn’t any better, such as rule changes, without including the biggest ones tjat actually make it far harder to be a long lasting great team today – but then, seeing as you’ve childishly trolled on Pats threads in the past, I’m not surprised you overlooked the huge points in Brady’s favor.

  42. jwarden15 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:51 PM
    mmack66 says:
    Feb 4, 2017
    They are all system quarterbacks. Do you think they are just out there freelancing?

    All are? Then how did peyton manning go to 4 super bowls with different coaches?
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    By running the same system? Are you going to hold Brady accountable for having the best coach of all time or something? Brady MAY be a notch behind Manning in the adjustments at the line category, barely.

    But the fact remains, if Brady had to switch teams/coaches, he just like Manning, would absolutely bring his system and run in the same way, as Peyton did.

  43. timswog says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:04 PM
    tom brady is too tainted to be the best ever. I still put montana and Elway ahead of him.
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    Elway is easily the most overrated of the big names of all time. Go back and look at his production, season by season. Stop letting TD, Sharpe, etc who led him to rings, and that one time: “the drive” be your memory of him.

  44. xxsweepthelegxx ,
    Not even in the same zip code as the game as it was played in the 70s. For instance, there is one post here putting up Stabler’s numbers when he was one of the best QBs in football in the 70s; however, his numbers would look mediocre in today’s NFL because you literally could still hit receivers well down the field, not just inside of 5 yards. I mean like literally tackle them and no PI was coming. Also, as astutely brought up by one of the old timers who posted here, the QBs didn’t get protected back then. They were literally knocked senseless. We’re talking blind side hits and clothes lines. Hit below the knee. Everything. The rules changed in the 80s, and although Montana and Marino were definitely great, there is no coincidence that they along with many other passers of that era saw the immediate benefit in their numbers. The rules were changed again in the 90s, and again you saw the numbers spike up. They were changed again in the mid 2000s, and there is no coincidence that suddenly you had Manning and Brady put up 50 TD seasons in back to back years. The rules were further modified in the last few years, which has led to 4000 yard passers now being considered the standard for an average QB. So again, the rules have changed a lot over the years, which is why comparing the eras is not a good way to go. For people who want to soak up history, look around for some of those 70s and 80s games on Youtube or something to see the difference. His process of information though, like Manning, is why they still would have figured it out in any era though regardless of the changes and what bands all the great ones together imo.

  45. jwarden15 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:35 PM

    … BB was mad at being fired by the Browns. He wanted revenge so he started cheating as soon as he got to New England….
    ————————\
    where the hell do you get your information, that is totally made up and doesn’t even make sense.

  46. jchipwood says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:53 PM

    *are
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    Thank goodness you took the time to correct the grammar in that masterpiece you posted.

  47. Rice had some sticky gloves back then, don’t forget, so if your going to make a point consider everything that some of these old players had. Do you think they tested for drugs as scientifically as they do today back then. Hell read that the MLB baseball players from the 1950’s and some of the greatest that ever player were using speed way back then. You ever play a game your good at with speed in your system, man you would feel and play better, much better, then every before. Don’t fool yourself Brady is clean and great, who cares who the very best is ,just except those other players mentioned were all great? Tom Brady would be the first to tell you the same thing. Great is great and that’s all we have to know.

  48. jwarden15 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:35 PM
    … BB was mad at being fired by the Browns. He wanted revenge so he started cheating as soon as he got to New England….
    ————————\
    where the hell do you get your information, that is totally made up and doesn’t even make sense.

    ______________________________

    Actually, that makes a ton of sense.

  49. xiiprestige says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:04 PM
    ….. Besides Mr Mannings numbers say he is the best.

    Mr. Manning is certainly the best at the one and done.

    No one will ever touch Peyton’s record of nine one and done playoff appearances as a starting QB.

    That record is safe.

  50. Joe Montana and the 49ers would have gone to the Super Bowl 15 straight years and most likely won 12 of them if they where in this division New England plays in !!!

    Just so we are clear… The 49er’s dynasty run was in the 80’s playing against the Rams, Atlanta and the New Orleans Aints! Laughable! check your stats before post, there is a lot info available on the internet!!

  51. Don’t care what anyone says, Montana is the greatest. 4-0!

    -No cheating scandals.
    -No tuck rule.

    Played in a more brutal era.

    Imagine Brady during the 80s-early 90s rules football…

  52. “Tainted” “*” and “Cheated” all whines you hear from the Loser’s Circle.

    Has anyone been able to find any of those things listed in an official NFL record book or website?

    Didn’t think so…

    Playing make believe is fun! Yay Trolls!

    Back here in reality, just another record breaking season for the greatest QB, coach and franchise in NFL history. Check the official NFL record books.

    Sorry Roger’s willfully ignorant, science denying dupes, but…

    Trolls Lose Again!

  53. A lot of great players will miss going into the Hall of Fame this year. Good kuck to all of the candidates. Let’s hope the candidates are judged by what they did on the field and as a teammate. A guy like TO is clearly HOF caliber despite his shortcomings. I will never forget him almost singlehandedly keeping the Eagles in the super bowl verses the Patriots and doing it playing hurt.

  54. tonebones says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:05 PM
    jag1959 says… from Tittle to Rodgers …..Staubach..
    ..or Tarkenton over Montana…that nod goes to Brady..
    *****************************
    I love memory lane too, blah blah
    ________________________________

    I’m sorry but you were the on that brought up ‘tape’ to go on your own memory trip were you not? How very Goodellian of you to move the goalposts. Ice up son!

  55. Brady is a great QB, and Belichick in one of the greatest HC/GMs ever, arguably the best.
    If you gave Belichick Peyton Manning or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers he’d have plenty of super bowl rings.
    If you put Brady on those teams, he’d have 1 ring.

    Brady is not a system QB, hes a great QB, regardless of system. But he also greatly benefited from Belichick. Without Belichick his name would not be tossed around as the greatest ever.

  56. dejc421 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:08 PM

    jwarden15 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:35 PM

    … BB was mad at being fired by the Browns. He wanted revenge so he started cheating as soon as he got to New England….
    ————————\
    where the hell do you get your information, that is totally made up and doesn’t even make sense.
    ++++++++++++++

    The same place chippy gets all his information, his over active Pats obsessed imagination.

  57. chippys lost binky says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:31 PM
    dejc421 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:08 PM

    jwarden15 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:35 PM

    … BB was mad at being fired by the Browns. He wanted revenge so he started cheating as soon as he got to New England….
    ————————\
    where the hell do you get your information, that is totally made up and doesn’t even make sense.
    ++++++++++++++

    The same place chippy gets all his information, his over active Pats obsessed imagination.
    __________________________
    You watching the game tomorrow or you going to stare at the screen and think of me the whole time?

  58. carloswlassiter says:
    Feb 4, 2017 4:37 PM

    cgsuddeath says:
    Feb 4, 2017 4:23 PM

    Maybe because they never played against the likes Joe Montana,Ken Stabler,Dan Marino or Roger Staubach.Any QB will look good against the liberalize passing rules.
    ————————————————————-
    Ken Stabler? Really? You mean the Ken Stabler who had 194 TDs, 222 interceptions and a career QB rating of 75.3?
    ===================================
    Yeah the same Ken Stabler who beat the Steelers Hall of Fame defense.Your point being Mr.Patriot Fan?

  59. Ugh… to all of you saying he is a system QB, please get a clue. The only system he benefits from is Belichick knowing how to scheme according to his players’ strengths. BB created a system that works for Brady, just like he did for Bledsoe and Cassell and Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissett. Just like any coach does for his QB (you know… the lynch pin of his offense, the guy an offense can’t live without). THAT is the system that benefits Brady.

    But don’t consider that, or the fact that he has only has one legitimate stud WR in his career, and that for only 2 seasons (he was injured for Moss’ 2nd season). Brady has had to do more with less. If he had the WRs that both Manning have had, how many more rings would he have already? Face it… the guy is probably the hardest worker in the league and has earned every bit of his success, and these accolades.

    Want to read something eye opening? Go to the Patriots’ website, look at his profile and see his accomplishments. Look at the LEAGUE records he has broken. You will realize that he IS the GOAT.

  60. Any objective discussion was finalized in the 4th quarter of SB 49 against Seattle.

    He’s won more than anyone in history without the big name receivers and backs against the toughest competition (free agency era).

    One more would be nice icing but regardless he’s head and shoulders above the also great Montana and Bradshaw.

    Best of all, you never hear Manning even enter a serious conversation. Never could figure why anyone with such a consistent record of big game chokes used to be mentioned.

  61. It’s Montana and Brady 1a and 1b … you simply can’t compare the two based on variances in the rules on and off the field … all you can say is that no other QBs dominated so greatly and for the length of time that these two did. For me personally, I’ll pick Joe… but I’m a 49ers fan and grew up watching him do the incredible…. I always said that no one would ever take his place atop the list…. but Tom is doing it… Both QBs belong at the top of the list.

  62. intrafinesse says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:25 PM
    Brady is not a system QB, hes a great QB, regardless of system. But he also greatly benefited from Belichick. Without Belichick his name would not be tossed around as the greatest ever.
    ++++++++++++++++

    Without Walsh Montana’s name would not be tossed around as the greatest ever.

    Without Lombardi Starr’s name would not be tossed around as the greatest ever

  63. intrafinesse says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:25 PM

    Brady is not a system QB, hes a great QB, regardless of system. But he also greatly benefited from Belichick. Without Belichick his name would not be tossed around as the greatest ever.
    ————————————————————
    How many Championships did Starr win without Lombardi as his coach?

    How many Championships sis Montana win without Bill Walsh as his coach?

    Whatever benefit Brady got from Belichick, the same can be said for these two guys. So give it a rest already.

  64. jwarden15 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:51 PM
    mmack66 says:
    Feb 4, 2017
    They are all system quarterbacks. Do you think they are just out there freelancing?

    All are? Then how did peyton manning go to 4 super bowls with different coaches?
    ==============================

    As usual chipster, you missed the point. Every team runs a ‘system’ of some kind or other. Or are you under the impression Manning just drew it up in the dirt every game?

  65. When you play in the easiest division ever, it makes it easy to get the #1 seed. The AFCE has been garbage year after year. The top seed then plays the lowest seed in the playoffs – this year being the Texans. Big competition there! The Cheats are only challenged in the AFCC before reaching the Super Bowl where it’s a coin flip. But go ahead, tell us how you guys are champions.

    ****

  66. dispozblcopy says:Feb 4, 2017 6:08 PM
    jwarden15 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:35 PM
    Spygate helped especially after Goodell destroyed the tapes. Now what was on the tapes? We’ll never know since Kraft had Goodell destroy them at Gillette Stadium. BB was mad at being fired by the Browns. He wanted revenge so he started cheating as soon as he got to New England. I mean what other commissioner has helped a team destroy evidence of cheating? Goodell helped since he was the new commissioner, didn’t want to take back their titles, and Kraft helped the NFL get a deal with CBS
    ————————————————–
    Dear airheads,
    1. The tapes were shown to an entire room of reporters, and some of it was shown on television and made the internet — all it showed was a guy standing out in the open on the sideline at about the 25-yard line, not even remotely hidden, with a camera on his shoulder the size of volkswagon bus, no attempt to even hide or “sneak”. The stadium was empty and quiet, not even any “evil is happening music”. So all of this nonsense about “how will we ever know what was on those tapes?” is hogwash. A guy with a camera on the sideline was what was on the tapes, what’d you think?
    2. The rule against taping was one or two years old, did not affect any of the SBs.
    3. If the cameraman had been 50 feet back in the stands with a zoom lens, it would have been legal. Imagine that – absolutely none of this unreal horsepucky about spygate if the camaraman had been in a different spot, not even far from where he was discovered!
    So Belichick either fudged or, as he said, didn’t understand the rule, and it was no big deal anyway, as several head coaches, including Cowher, came out and said there was no real way to take in-game advantage of the information. They ought to know.
    4. Therefore the fuss that was made about it startled everyone on the Pats, but once again the owners pressed Goodell to punish the front-runners and it became a GREAT BIG DEAL, a decade of fodder for nincompoops, even several NFL players. Yet, even Mangini says to this day he regrets that he reported it and the whole kerfuffle it became and which to this day has ruled the Pats as a “culture of cheating”. With all that every team out there is doing, that is as much of a butt-hurt smear as deflategate.
    5. The reason the tapes were destroyed was simply that having them out there endlessly replayed would only inflame an already ridiculous campaign of hatred and claims of Patriot title legitimacy, which is utter nonsense. To his credit, Goodell was in a tough spot, and he made the call on his own.
    6. It’s too bad, in terms of both spygate and deflategate, that people doing a little more serious reading about what actually happened would knock the poop out of all this nation-wide hating of a hard-working and morally straight organization practicing the very thing the NFL is supposed to stand for – commitment, hardwork, and excellence. This includes the straightest, kindest, and even charmingly somewhat clueless dude to wear the mantle of success in the NFL. Talk about the idiocy of the rich — imagine the NFL going out of its way to smear someone who doesn’t own a gun, do drugs, is a dedicated family man who doesn’t blow his money, shoot off his mouth, beat up or rape women, or even party hardy. He even takes pay cuts to help his team – yes, yes I know his wife’s rich, but when has an American athlete, or even an American anybody, ever voluntarily taken a pay cut to help his/her cause?
    But, as we’ve seen, in America, facts don’t matter anymore when strong, infantile emotions have made up your mind. It’s too bad that guys obviously spanking it too hard have to gnash their teeth at sports figures and teams, using them as targets for their pathetic lives instead of doing something worthwhile. Sorry to say it, but the NFL is what it is.
    But Bob Kraft is a weak man. I have no truck with Trump, but I do agree that both Kraft and Brady should have fought like wildcats to defend the honor that they (and BB) worked so hard to achieve. Now every butt-hurt goon gets to say with rabid force that all of Brady and the Pat’s success is tainted. Stupid.
    Oddly, I’m from Detroit and the Bay Area (S.F.), not a Brady/Pats fan, except insofar as they are success role models to emulate. How this can be denied in the face of all the information freely available is one of those great mysteries of these here United States.

  67. He also benefits from superior training and nutrition which players of the past did not have.

    —-
    And neither did defensive players of the past. It goes both ways of course. 🙂

    Today’s QB is cerebral and intelligence is essential to play the position. The complexity of the playbook today compared to back then is like night and day.

    Let’s see how well the Baughs etc would do with a modern pro football playbook where there’s a lot more to it than a couple of variations of “pass deep right” 😉

  68. jwarden15 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:51 PM

    All are? Then how did peyton manning go to 4 super bowls with different coaches?
    ————————–

    A couple with offensive systems and a couple with defensive systems.

  69. cgsuddeath says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:36 PM

    Yeah the same Ken Stabler who beat the Steelers Hall of Fame defense.Your point being Mr.Patriot Fan?
    ————————————————————-
    Is this a joke?

  70. ” when you play in the easiest division ever, it makes it easy”

    Under Belichick and Brady

    Pats winning % vs. the AFCE: 72%
    Pats winning % vs. the other divisions: 72%

    Any questions?

  71. The JINX is in, so all of the Brady Haters are happy. Still, these whiners will still whine.

    Win or lose, only football simpletons will deny that Brady is the greatest NFL QB ever.

  72. intrafinesse says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:25 PM
    Brady is not a system QB, hes a great QB, regardless of system. But he also greatly benefited from Belichick. Without Belichick his name would not be tossed around as the greatest ever.
    ++++++++++++++++

    Maybe. Maybe not. Does it really matter? 🙂

    #GOATRegardlessOfTheOutcomeTomorrow
    #ThereIsNoQuestion
    #ThereIsNoDoubt

  73. People talk about Brady not being able to play in the era where you could be physical with receivers.

    The truth is he can. 2 rings in that era 🙂 The Polian rule changes came into effect in 2004.

  74. All are? Then how did peyton manning go to 4 super bowls with different coaches?
    ==========================

    Brock Osweiler got him to his last one. Yeah that Brock Osweiler.

    #Huh
    #Interesting
    #GuessItWasTheSystemAllAlong
    #UMadTeeHee

  75. How many . HOF players did Bradshaw, Montana, and Aikman play with? How was their roster turnover?

    Is 11 AFC championship games and 7 Super bowls in 15 years as a starter any sort of benchmark for Brady? Jealously is always ugly.

  76. tonebones says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:05 PM
    jag1959 says… from Tittle to Rodgers …..Staubach..
    ..or Tarkenton over Montana…that nod goes to Brady..
    *****************************
    …. If Aaron Rodgers is the best QB today, and Tom Brady is playing today, how is Tom better? Is that alternative facts? Ahh. I get it! That does seem to be going around these days.
    ==========================
    Well yes they both play in the NFL today, but there is only one playing in the SuperBowl tomorrow. And that’s not an alternative fact.

  77. The AFC East has had one of its teams in the conference title game for 9 of the past 10 seasons. No other conference is close.

    If the East was the worst division…. their playoff qualifying team would be exposed as a fraud very quickly and go one and done more often than not. Funny how that doesn’t happen very much huh?

    🙂

  78. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    Feb 4, 2017 7:18 PM
    All are? Then how did peyton manning go to 4 super bowls with different coaches?
    ==========================

    Brock Osweiler got him to his last one. Yeah that Brock Osweiler.

    #Huh
    #Interesting
    #GuessItWasTheSystemAllAlong
    #UMadTeeHee

    —————

    It follows then Garropolo and Brissette got Brady to SB 51.

  79. tinkletinkleonyourstar says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:06 PM

    System qb

    ——–
    Every QB plays in a system, just like every CB, DE, RB, etc. Probably Brady has played in more different game plans than most QBs – run first, spread, deep threat, TE-heavy, etc. Brady is not the best ever at every aspect of QBing but tell me which QB was more adaptable on a game to game, season to season basis.

  80. I find it somewhat entertaining to read posts from a bunch of bitter wackos on the margins of society, who have embarked on a all out Patriots hate crusade.These inept liars are so busy obliterating, truncating or revising facts (when they’re not entirely ignoring them), that the true story has somewhat drifted out the window.

    Take your meds Chippy. Enjoy the game tomorrow.

  81. Brady is the greatest SYSTEM QB of all time. No question about it. The only one who comes close is Terry Bradshaw.

  82. I already knew Brady is the GOAT. Glad to see a lot of others feel the same way. It’s pretty cut and dry. He’s got records for gaudy stats and records for winning. Many will never be reached again. No need to cry. It’ll be ok.

  83. The Truth says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:08 PM
    I usually post here tongue in cheek with regards to anything Patriots. Now i’ll weigh in seriously on this with 47 years of football (playing, 9 years, coaching 25 years and officiating (now winding down after 13 seasons) experience.

    1 Brady is right there and deserves it when he’s called GOAT

    2. I think there are a lot of young guys here that really don’t understand howmthe game was played pre 1990.

    3. Before the NFL decided to open up the game to produce more ratings a wide receiver and a QB were like gladiators thrown into an arena with lions. The wide receivers were absolutely mugged coming off the line and all over the field. QB’s were fair game anywhere and some ofmthe most vicious hits in nfl history were dished out on QB’s without as much as a warning.
    __________________________________

    If you’ve been around that long then you’d know that the major rule changes that liberalized the passing game came before the 1978 season, it took coaches a few years to realize what they had to work with and many were bred in the grind it out style of the 70’s but numbers CAN be compared post 1978 for the most part, the game and strategy have evolved.

    For any saying the game is safer now than it was 1978-2003, yes, and today’s players are also bigger, faster and stronger and the game itself is far more complex on both ide of the bass so it’s close to a wah IMO.

  84. One argument that is discredited is how Brady’s accomplishments were in the salary cap era. Completely irrelevant. The Patriots have always had a good team. Moss was gone, they got Gronk, Welker was gone they go to Edelman. That’s just as good as having the same good players year after year. It’s a credit to Belichik for continually restocking the team, not Brady.

  85. Brady is not a freaky athlete and does not have star supporting cast but he still wins. He continually does more with less. Let the arguments go on. Brady will just plod on to win some more.

  86. tony721 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:48 PM
    When you play in the easiest division ever, it makes it easy to get the #1 seed.
    ==================

    Fun Fact: For Brady the AFCE (.786) is only the 5th easiest division ever behind the NFCN (.875), AFCN (.828), AFCS (.821) and NFCE (.813)

  87. fritz96 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 7:55 PM
    One argument that is discredited is how Brady’s accomplishments were in the salary cap era. Completely irrelevant. The Patriots have always had a good team. Moss was gone, they got Gronk, Welker was gone they go to Edelman.
    ====================

    So ‘always’ apparently started in ’07. Prior to that Brady’s leading receivers by year: Brown, Brown, Branch, Givens, Branch and Caldwell. Brady won SB’s with Troy Brown, Deion Branch and David Givens as his #1 receivers and went to the AFCCG with Reche F Caldwell as his top guy in ’06. Something has been discredited alright but it’s not the difficulties of the salary cap era argument, lol

  88. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Feb 4, 2017 7:36 PM
    Brady is the greatest SYSTEM QB of all time
    ======================

    When you’re right you’re right. Brady is the greatest system QB of all time. No matter which of the many systems they have run over the last 16 years. Whether it was the defense first game management style he started with, the pass to set up the run clock control of the back to back SB years, the pass happy Moss/Weker years or the death of a thousand cuts read and react style they have run since he has been the greatest QB of all time playing in all of them.

    Simply put Brady is the greatest QB of the SB era because he is the system and the system is him. That it eats at your ilk like an acid is just an infinitesimal bonus to actual fans of the team. Like one extra little sprinkle on our Patriots football sundae.

  89. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:16 PM

    Joe Montana and the 49ers would have gone to the Super Bowl 15 straight years and most likely won 12 of them if they where in this division New England plays in !!!

    They were you moron. There division sucked in the 80’s

  90. @curtj5 says:Feb 4, 2017 4:33 PM
    “You Pats fans sure whine alot”

    that is the truest statement on this page.

    and they also seem to be gay 4 trump, coincidence?

  91. maust1013 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 8:12 PM
    fritz96 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 7:55 PM
    One argument that is discredited is how Brady’s accomplishments were in the salary cap era. Completely irrelevant. The Patriots have always had a good team. Moss was gone, they got Gronk, Welker was gone they go to Edelman.
    ====================

    Yeah, the Patriots have always had a good team because of superstars like the undrafted Welker and 7th rd pick Edelman.

  92. tony721 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:48 PM
    When you play in the easiest division ever, it makes it easy to get the #1 seed.
    ==================

    Fun Fact: For Brady the AFCE (.786) is only the 5th easiest division ever behind the NFCN (.875), AFCN (.828), AFCS (.821) and NFCE (.813)

    ===≠==========
    Are you sure, I remember looking into the AFC East all the years the patriots with Brady. There were many many seasons where the division was very weak. Bills, dolphins and jets have been overall weak for a long long time with no consistency year after year… This has been going on for more than a decade. My point is, that when your division is weak.. and you are a badass team like the pats, It’s much easier to secure home Field in the playoffs. Which results in super bowl appearances. Not taking anything away from the patriots but an easy division makes 6 games (each season) easier than a tough division. It was like a perfect situation for a team to dominate. They still won 4 super bowls. And maybe now the 5th. Can’t deny that. I want people to be impartial when talking about this.. throw out the hating on the pats or being a Brady lover. Bellichick and Brady are awesome.. but goats?

  93. Players just know. Take there word for it. They know who the best is. Its some of you snowflake fans who need to get with the program. Its ok not to act like lemmings and be afraid to admit your wrong. Its what makes men out of chumps. Go ahead chump, admit, Brady is the GOAT. Man up and quit acting like an child.

  94. People that think Brady sucks also almost always know nothing about football and are fans of terrible teams. You know who you are.

  95. maust1013 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 8:36 PM
    patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Feb 4, 2017 7:36 PM
    Brady is the greatest SYSTEM QB of all time
    ======================

    When you’re right you’re right. Brady is the greatest system QB of all time. No matter which of the many systems they have run over the last 16 years. Whether it was the defense first game management style he started with, the pass to set up the run clock control of the back to back SB years, the pass happy Moss/Weker years or the death of a thousand cuts read and react style they have run since he has been the greatest QB of all time playing in all of them.

    Simply put Brady is the greatest QB of the SB era because he is the system and the system is him. That it eats at your ilk like an acid is just an infinitesimal bonus to actual fans of the team. Like one extra little sprinkle on our Patriots football sundae.

    ———————

    Brady was asked in his SB press conference about being called a system QB and he more or less acknowledged it. He described the system as how coaches give him plays and put him in situations that he is good at, how they surround him with great offensive line, great running game, great versatile, smart and disciplined receivers, great tight ends, how coaches come up with ways to attack oppossing teams, etc.

    I’ll add to what Brady said a great defense that carried the offense to 3 SBs, special teams that either score, or flip the field for him or kicked SB winning field goals. Put a high school QB in that system and he too will have success.

  96. @jetsfan4lifechampsofnothing

    “Put a high school QB in that system and he too will have success.”

    You do realize that with comments as absurd as these, no one can possibly take you seriously?

    Putting it on an endless loop isn’t helping your cause either.

    Have you ever noticed that your Jets brethren never rush to your defense?? I wonder why?

    …still waiting patiently for you to define the Patriots magic “system” vs. whatever else the rest of the league does? Those other coaches must be really stupid, right?

  97. eaglephan says:
    Feb 4, 2017 8:52 PM
    @curtj5 says:Feb 4, 2017 4:33 PM

    “You Pats fans sure whine alot”

    that is the truest statement on this page.

    and they also seem to be gay 4 trump, coincidence?
    _______________________________________

    Say the trolls whining on a Pats message board.

    20+ Years of NFL DOMINANCE and there is nothing you can do about it.

    Run along now, dupe…

  98. You have to account for the differences in the era in which these guys played. In today’s game are so much bigger, stronger, faster and QB play is so much more cerebral. Guys like Graham, Starr, Unitas and even Montana would be very hard pressed to excel in the present.

  99. thereving7 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 8:57 PM
    Are you sure, I remember looking into the AFC East all the years the Patriots with Brady. There were many many seasons where the division was very weak.
    =================

    What part of a .786 win % in division and a .762% out of it is hard to understand? What would put it in perspective for you? The last 4 years running the Pats have lost the same number of games in 6 to the division as they have in 10 to the rest of the league. All divisions are .500 against themselves yet the AFCE has won more games per team than any other over the last 10 years. Division winners on average for the past 10 years have lost 1.363 games per year in division, New England has lost 1.5. Not sure what metric it takes to make people look beyond what the talking heads say but I am sure the other teams in the AFCE would appreciate some help dealing with NE.

  100. cgsuddeath says:
    Feb 4, 2017 4:23 PM

    Maybe because they never played against the likes Joe Montana,Ken Stabler,Dan Marino or Roger Staubach.Any QB will look good against the liberalize passing rules.

    Or maybe it’s because people simply can’t accept the opinion of players that actually DID play during those years – as opposed to you, sir, who really should step away from your computer for a while.

  101. Poor Trolls. It must be so frustrating to know that no one hears your whimpers unless we choose to engage by coming on these message boards to slap you around with facts and science.

    Even more frustrating to know that those whimpers have zero effect on the Patriots’ success.

    Now, go get your shine box and Kiss The RingS!

  102. 7 superbowls in 15 years is unheard of. GOAT and its not even close. In the era of free agency, new receivers every year, and hes still gets it done. He could have easily have gone to 9. Yeah montana is 4-0, but he lost in earlier rounds of the playoffs so he never made it to more.

    Imagine brady having jerry rice and those weapons for his career?

    All you haters should stop hating for a moment and truly admire Greatness because what he has accomplished in his career so far, will never be duplicated in our lifetimes again.

  103. Aaron rogers? Lol the dude is good in the wild card ans divisional round but always chokes against harder competition.

    Great talent, but hes not the leader or the competitive player that brady is. The dudes chip on his shoulder is only growing

  104. If the pats were in any other division, they would make it look like the afc east. Other teams changing coaches, personal to match the pats only to fall flat like most teams do

  105. Not a Pats fan at all, but all this mo schmo stuff about the rules favoring passing, sure, but if its so easy, why aren’t other teams as dominant. Plus he’s making average receivers look great, Chris Hogan, Danny Amendola, Edleman is decent, but he’s not a 1A receiver. really? Joe Montana had Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Brent Jones and Roger Craig. Can you imagine those players playing with TB? Kurt Warner? Please, Kurt Warner had an HOF RB and two stud receivers, Bruce and Holt.

  106. One thing is true. All the Brady bashers on here would kill to have Brady on their team and that includes Green Bay, Giants, Atlanta, Seattle, Dallas, Broncos and the Ravens. Anyone of them that denies this is simply delusional or lying.

  107. In the era of the “modern QB,” the following is pretty inarguable:

    Unitas was the greatest of his era. By far.

    Montana was the greatest of his era. By far.

    Brady is the greatest of his era. By far.

    From there, debate all you want – but they played different games, so it’s almost impossible to really put one objectively above the other – I think all would have been the greatest of their era whatever rules were in place.

    One post up above said “what if Brady played with Rice all those years” and that’s a valid point – just as “what if Unitas/Berry or Montana/Rice played with modern rules that heavily favor the passing game and QB protection” is valid.

    There’s a reason otherwise good to average QB’s – QB’s you’d never mention in the same breath as U, M, or B break records and throw for 4 and 5 thousand yards today with increasing regularity. This does not diminish Brady – don’t take it that way – but simply demonstrates the different game we see today. When a Cousins or a Stafford (they’re good, sure – but “great?”) can throw for 5,000 yards like it’s nothing, what does that say?

    I’m a Unitas guy – always have been. Still am. And since I’m stubborn, always will be. If you tell me Brady is the “best ever,” I’m probably not going to agree – but I’m not going to argue the point, either – because I can’t honestly say you’re wrong.

    The argument for Brady is absolutely, clearly (as in crystal) legit.

    When you talk about greats like those three, how can you be wrong no matter which one you call GOAT?

  108. let’s face it – football players have never been accused of being the smartest guys on earth.

    Brady = Overrated.

  109. phinatic29 says: Feb 7, 2017 1:01 PM

    let’s face it – football players have never been accused of being the smartest guys on earth.

    Brady = Overrated.

    ————-

    You are obsessed. I mean, I get it. You’re a Miami fan who has had to suffer through at least 17 years of being owned. You just come off as desperate and pathetic. It’s not getting better anytime soon either. It has to hurt. Again, I’m very sorry.

  110. Forget about the different eras, forget about the rules, forget about everything but one thing:

    1958 game in NYC, Giants are ahead 17-14 less than 2 minutes to go and the Colts get the ball on their 14. Unitas brings them down to where Steve Myhra can kick a field goal and send the game into OT.

    1989 SB – The tale is told that Cincy had scored with less than 2 minutes to go and the offense was standing on the sidelines and someone said “we’ve won the SuperBowl”. (As the story goes) someone – Chris Collnsworth? said “don’t be so sure – have you seen who’s playing QB for San Francisco? Meaning of course Joe Montana.

    2015 SB – Seahawks lead Pats by 10 starting the 4th quarter. Brady brings them back and they win the game, tying the record for the biggest comeback in SB history.

    2017 SB – Pats down by 25 points, fight back to send the game into OT, then win in OT – biggest comeback ever. When they have to they have one extra gear that no other team has.

    The ONLY TRUE measure of a QB at ANY level is his ability to bring his team from behind when everything is on the line. (BTW – That’s why I say that the 1ST QB taken in the draft this spring should be DeShaun Watson, after what he did to bring his team to victory in the NC game against Alabama.)

    Now that we have it down to three, we’ve got a few months to argue, but first we’ve got to keep track on all the NBA trade rumors.

  111. If you go by SuperBowl wins…then I give credit to Vinateri, Malcolm Butler, Deion Branch and James White and one to Brady all the way.

    If you go by the overall win record – I give credit to Belicheck. He has put those complete teams together with some really good defenses also.

    If you go by passing stats… then I compare Brady to other passers and you have an argument.

  112. “Although Phil Simms wouldn’t commit”. Funniest line in there. That Simms didnt go on a monolog as to why Brady wasnt even close is by his standards ‘committing’.

  113. tinkletinkleonyourstar says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:06 PM

    System qb
    ———————————————————————

    Which system? Brady has been in the league for 17 years and the system has constantly changed based on the roster each year. If you are going to call him a system qb you would have to be able to name the one system he was a product of.

  114. tonebones says:
    Feb 4, 2017 6:17 PM
    jwarden15 says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:35 PM
    … BB was mad at being fired by the Browns. He wanted revenge so he started cheating as soon as he got to New England….
    ————————\
    where the hell do you get your information, that is totally made up and doesn’t even make sense.

    ______________________________

    Actually, that makes a ton of sense.

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    No it doesnt. Belichick went to the Giants after that. And before he became HC for the Pats he resigned from the Jets.

  115. My point is, that when your division is weak.. and you are a badass team like the pats, It’s much easier to secure home Field in the playoffs. Which results in super bowl appearances.

    If memory serves NE won the AFCCG in Jan 2002 & 2005 at Heinz Field.

    care to try again?

  116. Sorry but no past Pats have said that Brady cheats. The problem with talking to The Haters is that the entire time is spent refuting absurd allegations. If there is one normal, fact based person who is willing to discuss “Deflategate” rationally then bring it on. Otherwise shut up.

  117. tinkletinkleonyourstar says:
    Feb 4, 2017 5:06 PM
    System qb

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    Yup best system ever, designed to take advantage of the skills of the Best QB ever to date.

  118. Add Aaron Rodger to the list. He also says Brady is the GOAT.

    A lot of other QBs say so too:

    Donovan McNabb
    Jim Kelly
    Boomer Esiason
    Ben Roethlisberger
    Steve Young
    Phil Simms
    Matt Hasslebeck
    Rich Gannon
    Ron Jaworski
    Warren Moon
    Terry Bradshaw

    All of them say TB12 is the GOAT.

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