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Debate over: Tom Brady is the best ever

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Before Super Bowl LI, plausible arguments could be made for and against the proposition that Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback in NFL history. After Sunday night’s game for the ages in Houston, the debate has entered Jerry Rice territory.

For years, there’s been no question that Jerry Rice was the greatest receiver in NFL history. Now, there’s no question as to who the greatest quarterback is and was.

You can try to make an argument against it, out of bias or resentment or jealousy or whatever. You can try, but you’ll fail. With five Super Bowl championships, two other Super Bowl appearances, four Super Bowl MVP trophies, and a run of sustained excellence that has carried him from 199th pick in the 2000 draft to the top of the NFL mountain, Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback to ever play the game.

The next question is whether Brady will be regarded as the greatest player at any position, supplanting Rice for that unofficial title. That hinges in large part on whether Brady retires with any, many, or all of the all-time passing records, and whether he continues to play at a high level beyond the age of 40.

At the MVP press conference, Brady said that at age 25 his arm always hurt and that, at 39, it never does. As long as the arm can complement the mind, he’ll be able to keep going.

Yes, Father Time is undefeated. But Brady appears to be ready to give him a fight like he’s never before seen. If anyone doubts his abilities in that regard, they should talk to the Falcons.

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252 Responses to “Debate over: Tom Brady is the best ever”
  1. picksix401 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:25 AM

    Brady didn’t use Stickum

  2. LET5 GOOOOO! GO PATRIOT5 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:26 AM

    It was already over. But if people needed the proof on paper, well now you have that too…

  3. craignflfan says: Feb 6, 2017 10:27 AM

    The GOAT. Debate over.

  4. steelerfanjo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM

    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.

  5. hairpie2 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:29 AM

    Rice was going to be cut after his rookie year, then he started cheating and the rest is “history”

  6. joetoronto says: Feb 6, 2017 10:29 AM

    Now it really isn’t up for debate.

    I was hanging onto the whole Joe Montana and Vince Lombardi thing but it’s real clear now that Brady and Bellichick are the the greatest ever.

  7. nufcedmcgreevey says: Feb 6, 2017 10:29 AM

    Greatest qb and greatest football player ever!

  8. joetorontoisaclown says: Feb 6, 2017 10:29 AM

    Greatest of his era. Still hard to compare players from decades ago due to many variables and the fact it is a team game.

  9. jetsclaps says: Feb 6, 2017 10:30 AM

    I still think Peyton is better. That man has 5 mvp trophies. Brady has 2. Sorry, but you gotta have more than 2 to claim the best ever.

    Now, Belicheck on the other hand, I believe he is the best ever. If Peyton had Belli had been together, he’d have at least 5 super bowl rings too.

  10. ryder09 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:30 AM

    Brady is doing this with a bunch of UDFAs. Imagine if Brady had a receiver like Julio Jones? RIP the rest of the league.

  11. adrianbeatason says: Feb 6, 2017 10:30 AM

    Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Greatest cheaters of all time. The debate is over.

  12. dorsiaonafriday says: Feb 6, 2017 10:30 AM

    Well, I do know one thing – he’s better than Peyton Manning; hope to god that discussion is finally over.

  13. LET5 GOOOOO! GO PATRIOT5 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:30 AM

    Everyone likes to talk about how Manning was the harder worker in football. Maybe when it came to studying game tales and things like that he was. But compare the dedication of Peyton to the dedication of Brady. Brady is 39, looks like he’s 25. Plays like he’s 25. It’s impressive. Because he dedicated his life to football. Film study. Working out. Diet. Everything. Now look at mannings last year in the NFL. Same age as Brady is now. Looked 50. Played like was 50. Broken down. Beer gut making him look 4 months pregnant. Debate over. Brady outworks everyone. On the field. Off the field. In the film room. Everywhere

  14. elmerbrownelmerbrown says: Feb 6, 2017 10:31 AM

    I would say he’s tied with Bart Starr

  15. edelmanfanclub says: Feb 6, 2017 10:32 AM

    The win didnt change anything. He was the GOAT before

  16. pattyarbuccholz says: Feb 6, 2017 10:32 AM

    steelerfanjo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM

    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.

    —————

    This has to sting so badly for you. I’m sorry.

  17. wib22 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:32 AM

    Marino on that list is a joke.

    #zerorings

  18. fullbacksarepeopletoo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:33 AM

    Asterisk.

  19. wib22 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:33 AM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM
    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.

    ******

    Your QB should probably be in a jail cell right now.

  20. @Cereal_5 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:33 AM

    Yes he is, now I can’t wait to get to the part when he falls. The only problem with Brady is that he plays for the worst fan base ever

  21. hairdownthere says: Feb 6, 2017 10:33 AM

    The debate is over but there will always be an asterisk attached to Kraft, Belichick and Brady that will never go away. See Barry Bonds, Pete Rose and others.

  22. TheTruth says: Feb 6, 2017 10:34 AM

    @elmerelmer, Brady is the GOAT, PERIOD.

  23. bleck5 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:36 AM

    Tom Brady has no weapons and he still wins.

    The world has given up the debate. It is Brady the Jordan of football.

  24. LyinRogerMustGo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:36 AM

    Would have been GOAT even if last night happened differently. 🙂

    All hail the

    FIVE TIME
    FIVE TIME
    FIVE TIME
    FIVE TIME
    FIVE TIME

    World Champions.

    Poor Patriot Hater. 🙂 Never were, and never will be in OUR league. Tee hee. 🙂

  25. vikesfan320 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:36 AM

    The things the Patriots have done since 2000 in the free agent era are unbelievable. The sustained longevity is unheard of. Even when other greats were rattling off Super Bowls, they didn’t have this long of sustained success. Montana won his first in 1982 and his last 8 years later. Every other dynasty burned bright for bursts and then flamed out. The Steelers (4 in 6 years) and Cowboys (3 in 4 years) fall into that same category. Tom Brady has 16 years between his first and last (or should I say most recent) Super Bowl. To still be able to get to the top after that long is ridiculous. And with some of the players he’s had? Please. His receivers last night were Chris Hogan, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, and Malcolm Mitchell. His leading receiver was a RB! Are you kidding me. He’s the clearcut GOAT, and unless Rodgers can rattle off 2 or 3 Super Bowls in the next 5 years I don’t see that changing any time soon.

  26. realfootballfan says: Feb 6, 2017 10:36 AM

    Still don’t think you can compare QBs from different eras, and btw, who ever said Rice was the best player ever. Did Jim Brown never play?

  27. exinsidetrader says: Feb 6, 2017 10:36 AM

    When you read or hear hateful comments against Brady and BB just know that the person making it is just projecting and really hates themselves for being such a loser and disappointment.

  28. tajuara says: Feb 6, 2017 10:37 AM

    Yes, he is the best ever, but he has always had good consistent teams in all fronts. Yesterday the defense stepped up to turn the game in New England’s favor, the previous SB (against Seattle) the defense also sealed the victory. He is the best ever, ok, but he has played alongside the best coach ever, so there is that…

  29. LyinRogerMustGo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:38 AM

    Tee hee. Patriot Hater is as salty as I expected them to be. 🙂

    Getting right in your grill and running my mouth is going to be FUN! Get used to it cupcakes! Bow down to the World Champions, the 5 time World Champions and kiss our full hand of rings.

    🙂

  30. julyeast says: Feb 6, 2017 10:38 AM

    I love how the inferiority complex fair-weather fans (yes I still remember opening day 1988 when the game was not sold out and I was forced to listen on the radio because the game was blacked out) still has to try and justify Marcia being better than Peyton – he is not.

  31. omegalh says: Feb 6, 2017 10:39 AM

    The debate is whether he is as great as Gretzky or Jordan. He is clearly the best football player and Im a jets fan.

  32. carloswlassiter says: Feb 6, 2017 10:40 AM

    elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:31 AM

    I would say he’s tied with Bart Starr
    ————————————————————
    Your opinion will be given all of the merit it deserves.

  33. marcuswelby1 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:40 AM

    Marshall Faulk is absolutely beside himself.

  34. maust1013 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:41 AM

    jetsclaps says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:30 AM
    I still think Peyton is better.
    ===================

    If nothing else that explains why you are a Jets fan.

  35. nufcedmcgreevey says: Feb 6, 2017 10:41 AM

    Brady never used hgh, never beat a woman, never used illegal drugs, nrpever disrespected an opponent, a good family man, teammate and leader. Yeah, I can see why haters can hate him.

  36. rjc32586 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:41 AM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM
    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.
    ___________________________________
    If you want to be taken seriously, you probably shouldn’t start with an immediate fact error. Brady is currently married to his “first wife.”

  37. canadaldavis says: Feb 6, 2017 10:41 AM

    This is ridiculous.The Patriots won 2 SuperBowls and were gifted 3.Brady lost the Tuck Game.He lost the Seattle game until Carroll’s brain got “MAD COW Disease”.He lost yesterday as well until Quinn’s brain also developed “Mad Cow” disease .If Montana and Brady were on the same team,Brady would never have seen the field.Those are FACTS.

  38. djvh2 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:41 AM

    Why does there even need to be a debate like this? Who says Rice is better than Jim Brown? or Reggie White? or Dick Butkus? or Walter Payton? Bart Starr won 5 championships in 7 years. Same for Vince Lombardi. Otto Graham was way ahead of any other QB both for passing efficiency and winning. Same with Paul Brown. Cleveland was in the championship game 10 straight years and won 7 of those. Maybe Brady is GOAT, maybe not. I’d rather have Rodgers right now.

  39. mswravens says: Feb 6, 2017 10:41 AM

    Yup – even for us haters, that is what this year means. For all you Patriot fans, and despite the history of cheating, I agree that there is no debate: Brady & Belicheat are the GOATs. And every NFL fan I know and have spoken to today have come to the same conclusion. So…

    CONGRATULATIONS PATS FANS!!! THE WORLD NOW ACKNOWLEDGES….YOUR QB & COACH ARE THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. ENJOY!!!

  40. morandir835 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:43 AM

    Still couldn’t beat the dumbest of Manning brothers….

  41. joetorontoisaclown says: Feb 6, 2017 10:43 AM

    ryder09 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:30 AM
    Brady is doing this with a bunch of UDFAs. Imagine if Brady had a receiver like Julio Jones? RIP the rest of the league.
    __________________________________
    He had Randy Moss at one time so we don’t need to imagine. Unless stereotypes is your thing, Julian Edellman is one heck of a football player!

  42. LyinRogerMustGo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:43 AM

    tajuara says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:37 AM

    Yes, he is the best ever, but he has always had good consistent teams in all fronts. Yesterday the defense stepped up to turn the game in New England’s favor, the previous SB (against Seattle) the defense also sealed the victory. He is the best ever, ok, but he has played alongside the best coach ever, so there is that…

    —-
    Have Ryan and Brady switch teams. It’s a fact that the Pats get worse and the Falcons get better.

    Repeat with any team and any QB and the result is the same.

    That is all. 🙂

    #GOAT

  43. wib22 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:44 AM

    Lombardi > belichick though right?

  44. 3xapple says: Feb 6, 2017 10:44 AM

    Don’t forget the asterisks, Patriots Football Talk!

  45. lewsblues says: Feb 6, 2017 10:45 AM

    I wish he was in the NFC East and not facing the Fins twice a year. He IS incredible …

    Aaron Rogers is not too far behind when it comes to being clutch.

  46. unoduotres says: Feb 6, 2017 10:46 AM

    Steelerfanjo,

    You forgot to tell us the Steelers record against Brady. Also Brady has only been married once. Don’t confuse him with your QB.

  47. chippys lost binky says: Feb 6, 2017 10:46 AM

    For anyone paying attention that debate was over 2 years ago.

  48. coutre says: Feb 6, 2017 10:46 AM

    Will Troy Vincent be sending him a “good job” letter like he did for OBJ or does that only go from quota fillers to minorities

  49. harrisonhits2 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:46 AM

    Some sad, tiny little people posting here today.

    I feel like most of you will go through life not only frustrated with football but with everything.

    No team works harder than the Pats. Numerous former players that were on other teams before or after their time with the Pats have confirmed this.

    Hard work, innovation and success used to be respected in this country. Now the politically correct, want everyone to get a participation trophy and nothing more, lazy, whining, self entitled crowd find the hard work and innovation somehow “cheating” because they are either incapable and or to lazy to do so themselves.

    People like you will always wonder why you didn’t get the promotion you thought you should, or the pretty girl you were hitting on or any of your other goals. You will always think you were somehow “cheated” when you were simply outworked by the other person.

  50. greenlargo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:47 AM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM
    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.

    *********************

    Giselle is Brady’s first wife, he is not divorced as suggested here. The rest of the statement is even more surreal than that even.

    Ibuprofen to ease the pain. Lots of Ibuprofen.

  51. ontherocks1964 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:48 AM

    He’s not only the greatest of this era, he’s the one guy that bridges all era’s and is the greatest all time.

  52. unoduotres says: Feb 6, 2017 10:48 AM

    Canaldavis,

    See if you can count to five.

  53. thechickenexpress says: Feb 6, 2017 10:49 AM

    Comparing players from different eras is tough. Was Jim Brown better than Barry Sanders? Old timers think so. I think Barry would’ve rushed for 2,500 yards a year against those slower defenses. Is Brady better than Unitas? Baugh? Montana? My gut says yes. But if I’m intellectually honest, I have to admit that I’m not sure. I just think so.

    What I CAN be sure of is Brady’s the most ACCOMPLISHED QB of all time. The most accomplished PLAYER of all time. And he hasn’t even broken the all-time yardage and TD records … yet.

  54. weepingjebus says: Feb 6, 2017 10:49 AM

    I am a lunatic Pats fan and still think Otto Graham was amazing for his era. Nonetheless, Brady is ahead of him and pulling away. What he did last night was effectively impossible for any other QB I have watched or read about.

  55. liftheavyorliftheavy says: Feb 6, 2017 10:49 AM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM

    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.

    ———————

    Do your parents know you’re on the internet?

  56. pastabelly says: Feb 6, 2017 10:49 AM

    I don’t think the final chapter of this book has been written yet. I’d like to think that he has one more in him.

  57. wib22 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:50 AM

    I troll a bit, because belichick cheated, but harrisonhits2 post is right.

  58. greenlargo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:50 AM

    3xapple says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:44 AM
    Don’t forget the asterisks*, Patriots Football Talk!

    —————————–

    *there are no asterisks.

  59. LyinRogerMustGo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:50 AM

    Don’t forget the asterisks, Patriots Football Talk!


    I didn’t forget!

    Patriots*

    *World Champions, 5 time champs, winners of more Super Bowls than any NFL team in the last 34 years, winners of more games this century than any NFL team, home of the GOAT QB, GOAT coach, the best fans in football as proven by a recent study, the paragon of excellence in the modern NFL and if we’re being complete honest, the paragon of excellence in any sport at any time.

    All hail the King! All hail the World Champion Patriots! All hail the NFL’s Greatest Dynasty!

    🙂

  60. hairdownthere says: Feb 6, 2017 10:51 AM

    Going way out on a limb here, but for me, last night’s game ranks up there with The Thrilla in Manila.

  61. johnodocks says: Feb 6, 2017 10:54 AM

    We’re fortunate to have been around to watch Tom Brady’s career, even if you don’t realize it now and even if you root for another team. Players who put as much into their performance as he has deserve the rewards and respect they earn.

  62. saints12013 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:54 AM

    @LyinRogerMustGO

    You are the exact definition poster child of why people hate the Pats, actually we really don’t hate the Pats we hate their fans.

    You wanna gloat about the Pats 5 rings but I bet your a bandwagon fan like 90% of N.E. fans. You probably weren’t even alive for all five rings or was rooting for another team before 2001.

    I’m listening to my local radio station and Pats fans were calling in saying they went to bed and didn’t even see their team win. hahahahahahahaha but you guys are true fans right ??? hahahahahahahaha

  63. Rhode Island Patriots Fan says: Feb 6, 2017 10:55 AM

    If you stipulate that Brady is the greatest NFL QB of all time, then it necessarily follows that Brady is the greatest NFL player of all time. That’s because it’s universally accepted that quarterback is the most important player position on any football team. The functions, responsibilities, knowledge, skill sets, etc. of a quarterback exceed those required for wide receiver, running back, linebacker, etc. That reality, coupled with the enhanced competitiveness of the game associated with playing in the salary cap and free agency era, makes Brady the best NFL player. Ever.

  64. sacpete1 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:55 AM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM
    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.

    __________________________________________

    Will you give it a rest. Just watch the game and appreciate greatness. Your whining makes you look childish and laughable.

  65. elvoid says: Feb 6, 2017 10:55 AM

    n the era of the “modern QB,” the following is pretty inarguable:

    Unitas was the greatest of his era. By far.

    Montana was the greatest of his era. By far.

    Brady is the greatest of his era. By far.

    From there, debate all you want – but they played different games, so it’s almost impossible to really put one meaningfully above the other – I think all would have been the greatest of their era whatever rules were in place.

    I’ve heard people say “what if Brady played with Rice all those years” and that’s a very valid point – just as “what if Unitas/Berry or Montana/Rice played with modern rules that heavily favor the passing game and QB protection” is valid.

    There’s a reason otherwise good to average QB’s – QB’s you’d never mention in the same breath as U, M, or B break records and throw for 4 and 5 thousand yards today with increasing regularity.

    This does not diminish Brady – don’t take it that way – but simply demonstrates the different game we see today. When a Cousins or a Stafford (they’re good, sure – but “great?”) can throw for 5,000 yards like it’s nothing, what does that say?

    I’m a Unitas guy – always have been. Still am. And since I’m stubborn, always will be. If you tell me Brady is the “best ever,” I’m probably not going to agree – but I’m not going to argue the point, either – because I can’t honestly say you’re wrong.

    The argument for Brady is absolutely, clearly (as in crystal) legit.

    When you talk about greats like those three, how can you be wrong no matter which one you call GOAT?

  66. chieftaindawg says: Feb 6, 2017 10:56 AM

    Lovin this till Tuesday, then its…..
    Onto #6.

  67. maust1013 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:56 AM

    wib22 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:44 AM
    Lombardi > Belichick though right?
    ========================

    See you’ve given up on the shula argument there chipster, good for you. With patsanoia that severe any step forward has to be viewed as a positive

  68. superpatriotsfan says: Feb 6, 2017 10:56 AM

    Greatest cheaters of all time. No team has changed the rules in order to fit their narrative to gain an advantage.

  69. ItsMe says: Feb 6, 2017 10:57 AM

    Been watching the NFL since the 70’s. Lots of great QB’s and great memories.

    This is a team game, so I’m not a fan of trying to figure out who the “best” is. Stats and rings don’t tell the whole story.

    But in this case I make an exception.

    What sets Brady apart is that at age 39, he’s better than he ever was. That’s not a stat, it’s not a ring, and it’s not about who’s around him. It’s about “him”. Yup, “he” is the GOAT, hands down.

  70. mmack66 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:57 AM

    jetsclaps says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:30 AM

    I still think Peyton is better. That man has 5 mvp trophies. Brady has 2. Sorry, but you gotta have more than 2 to claim the best ever.
    ————————–

    Peyton Manning isn’t even in the conversation, unless you are talking about biggest postseason choker, and Brady isn’t in that conversation at all.

  71. wib22 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:58 AM

    Greatest cheaters of all time. No team has changed the rules in order to fit their narrative to gain an advantage.

    ******

    Right, when polian and dungy cried to the league about ty law kicking their a** to change the contact rules on PI down the field.

  72. razzlejag says: Feb 6, 2017 10:58 AM

    Jerry Rice? That surprised me. A WR is involved in what, 20% of all offensive plays? There’s no comparison. Peyton Manning? Not even close now.

    And Steelerjo- stay classy like the Falcons fans. They made this Super Bowl great and they’ll be back.

  73. dansardo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:58 AM

    Imagine what Brady would have done with the recievers that guys like
    Peyton and Rodgers have been fortunate enough to play with or even Big Ben except with guys like givens, branch, edleman hogan? Never has a QB in NFL history done so much with so little

  74. hairdownthere says: Feb 6, 2017 10:59 AM

    Let’s get a debate going. Best GOATS? You got Gretsky, Jordan, Brady, Nicklaus, DiMaggio? Who is on your Mt. Rushmore?

  75. dal1as says: Feb 6, 2017 11:00 AM

    The Falcon choked as much as the Patriots won. The people that write for this site are so obviously Patriots fans. Just stop. Montana is the best ever period and will always be.

  76. duffelbagsports says: Feb 6, 2017 11:01 AM

    1. Tom Brady
    2. Jim Brown
    3. Jerry Rice

  77. curtj5 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:01 AM

    Besides the fact that the Raiders should have one of his rings, there’s still no debate. Brady is the best evah. 🙂

  78. codythao35 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:02 AM

    It’s fishy for the Pats to win, especially when Atlanta was leading by that much. It’s gotta be Mr. Trump that paid the refs or Atlanta to properly lose that game.

  79. bullcharger says: Feb 6, 2017 11:02 AM

    jetsclaps says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:30 AM
    I still think Peyton is better. That man has 5 mvp trophies. Brady has 2. Sorry, but you gotta have more than 2 to claim the best ever.

    Now, Belicheck on the other hand, I believe he is the best ever. If Peyton had Belli had been together, he’d have at least 5 super bowl rings too.

    ————-

    Archie: 0
    Peyton: 2
    Eli: 2
    ——–
    Total: 4

    Brady: 5

  80. ballistictrajectory says: Feb 6, 2017 11:02 AM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM

    ———————-
    Who cares what steelerfanjoe says?

    Maybe rustbucketjoe would be more appropriate.

  81. LyinRogerMustGo says: Feb 6, 2017 11:03 AM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM

    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.

    —-
    36-17 🙂

    0-3 in AFC Championship games vs the World Champion Patriots 🙂

    Ouch!!

  82. sidepull says: Feb 6, 2017 11:03 AM

    Really your gonna go there this morning?
    Who is this debate between? A wino and a dementia patient? Seriously..get outta here Brady is GOAT period.

  83. seatownballers says: Feb 6, 2017 11:03 AM

    Ummm

    Zero cheating scandals this year to talk about. Suspended 4 games. No first round pick. No gronk. Down 25 in the third quarter.

    Tom and bill are the best ever.
    -drops mic

  84. ikeclanton says: Feb 6, 2017 11:03 AM

    I’m respectful of the real football fans that recognize ultimate greatness even if they don’t root for this particular team. Now that it’s not up for dispute, and the discussion has been put to bed…

    ..for the rest of you still living in Crazytown, please choose from the Top Ten list below as to how Brady has been able to do this for 17 years:

    1. The games are all rigged to let the Pats win
    2. all the awesome Houdini-esque cheating
    3. the “system” (still don’t know what that means)
    4. warm Gatorade
    5. Read the manual: “Brady stinks–How Belichick could turn your little sister into a 4 time SB MVP with his magic in a few easy steps”.
    6. without Gronk, Brady is average (whoops, there’s an old ridiculous one that snuck in…)
    7. 3 yard passes are all he’s good for (466 yds last night, 246 after the 4th quarter started)
    8. The Patriots didn’t win it, every other team “choked”
    9. Italian HGH
    10. any other nonsense you can conjure out of thin air

    There you go. while you’re chewing on that, remember to enjoy your therapy sessions everyone!

  85. tylawspick6 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:04 AM

    I still think Peyton is better. That man has 5 mvp trophies. Brady has 2. Sorry, but you gotta have more than 2 to claim the best ever.

    Now, Belicheck on the other hand, I believe he is the best ever. If Peyton had Belli had been together, he’d have at least 5 super bowl rings too.

    —————

    You Jets fans are such tools. Your jealous is a delight.

    And stop calling him “Belli”.

    Only a Jets fan would consider fraud MVPs for stats in a dome as superior to Brady having 4 SB MVPs.

    The media has blocked BB and Brady from winning any awards, due to a jealousy of their success.

    That’s not a reason to be stupid and make uneducated comments about someone like Peyton Manning who was either awful or mediocre in a Super Bowl and postseason games played mostly outdoors.

    If Brady had HOF weaponry around him like Manning did all those years, he’d have the useless regular season stats like Manning had.

  86. nfl1818 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:05 AM

    Asterisk?

    Thank god the Pats won and we have a legit champion

    A win by Atlanta (or anyone else) would have required an asterisk denoting that the NFL had manipulated results by taking away the Patriot’s 1st round pick

    Big relief

  87. LyinRogerMustGo says: Feb 6, 2017 11:05 AM

    saints12013 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:54 AM

    @LyinRogerMustGO

    You are the exact definition poster child of why people hate the Pats, actually we really don’t hate the Pats we hate their fans.


    He don’t know me very well… do he!

    🙂

  88. charliecharger says: Feb 6, 2017 11:05 AM

    Obviously, the debate isn’t over or you wouldn’t be wasting your time saying that it is. Haha. The season is over, so we have to have something to talk about. By the way, Aaron Rodgers is the greatest QB playing today, so Brady has to overcome that battle before he tries to tackle the big dog, Joe Montana. But it really isn’t worth the time arguing. There are the Otto Graham people, the Montana, Marino, Elway people. There are the Rodgers and Brady people. They all think they have the best QB. I’m sure Peyton Manning’s people think he’s the best. The combination of Belichick and Brady has produced the most hardware. That part is not debatable. Oh wait. Otto Graham had 7 championships.

  89. canadaldavis says: Feb 6, 2017 11:08 AM

    One ,Two.

    That’s it ,that’s all.

  90. tokyosandblaster says: Feb 6, 2017 11:08 AM

    I’m sorry, but I can never look at a cheater and call him the best ever.

    >

  91. allight59 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:09 AM

    And he loves his mother…

  92. dukeearl says: Feb 6, 2017 11:10 AM

    Montana, one less SB win but undefeated.

  93. greenlargo says: Feb 6, 2017 11:13 AM

    superpatriotsfan says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:56 AM
    Greatest cheaters of all time. No team has changed the rules in order to fit their narrative to gain an advantage.

    ——————

    Trying to pretend you are a Pats fan so you can troll is so transparent. Lack of sleep last night has you off your game.

  94. shadywarrior says: Feb 6, 2017 11:14 AM

    Say something else! SAY SOMETHING ELSE!!!

  95. qbarrel says: Feb 6, 2017 11:15 AM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM
    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.

    ========================

    ^^ Don’t feed the buffoons ^^

  96. thetruthcampaign says: Feb 6, 2017 11:15 AM

    If he plays next season, will people be upset and outraged that he’s taking all the glory from lesser QB’s? It it some lame unspoken courtesy that he should retire now.

    Loving it.

  97. onebuffalove716 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:17 AM

    Greatest ever. No question. But let’s look at the Super Bowls…

    Last night? Atlanta gave that away. Although Brady still had to make the plays.

    Seattle? Piss poor play call otherwise Lynch may score…

    Carolina? Kickoff out of bounds to start at the 40. Brady is brady so even if they start at the 10, they still could score.

    The Seattle and Atlanta games should have been losses. No one can argue that they should not have won those games…

    But the great qbs always take advantage of opportunities when the other team can’t close them out and that’s what he did last. Ought.

    So many people (pats fans included) commented on this site that Brady was done and make sure they don’t lose Garropolo and stuff..
    I was laughing, as I’ve seen this act too many times. When Atlanta took the foot off the gas I said they could regret it. They did and now this goes down as the biggest failure in Bowl history.
    New England did what they had to but Atlanta threw this away.

    As a bills fan who witnessed the comeback against Houston 20 sum years ago I can say this is why teams can’t give up when down or when they are ahead. Well done, it was a deserved win by a qb who I’ve always enjoyed watching when he wasn’t killing my team but I always liked watching passing qbs who were methodical.

    Enjoy it..: it was a hell of a win

  98. keys2heat says: Feb 6, 2017 11:18 AM

    Not just greatest football player…..almost greatest pro-sports athlete of all time. There are two heads on the Mount Rushmore of greats, Micheal Jordan and Wayne Gretzky. You can argue Tom Brady is right beside them. He’s unreal and if you think otherwise, you are a bitter, delusional football fan. The guy is clinical and obsessed with winning. He could turn the worst team into winners; he just has “it”.

    Hail to the Redskins from this Ouichita Native American from Rez 254 Devils Lake North Dakota.

  99. LyinRogerMustGo says: Feb 6, 2017 11:19 AM

    tokyosandblaster says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:08 AM

    I’m sorry, but I can never look at a cheater and call him the best ever.


    I agree… but that means I can look at Tom Brady and call him the best ever!

    🙂

    #BecauseHeIsTheBestEver
    #FactsAreFacts
    #TruthIsTruth
    #TruthHurts
    #PatriotHaterCantHandleTheTruth

  100. leatherface2012 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:20 AM

    and yet packer fans say that Rodgers is because he puts on a championship belt and does the tiger woods uppercut every other week ..Rodgers is real thin skinned. like to meet him at a book signing or something and say “well, you have 1 super bowl ring in 9 seasons of playing..so you should get to brady’s 5 rings by the time you’re about 78 years old”

  101. rwhite151 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:21 AM

    steelerfanjo says: Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM

    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.

    —————————–

    SttelerGuy, I hope that you appreciate how whiny you sound. He did not cheat, you just want that to be true. The comment about “first wife” makes you an incredible ass. Hey, he never tripped any player from the sidelines, pumped steroids, and the Steelers were caught playing with deflated balls this year too. Even Big Ben thinks he’s the GOAT. Lose the bitterness, your life will be better.

  102. saints12013 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:21 AM

    I would rather not know you, you seem like the KING of annoying Patriots fans. We all know your team is good and your QB is the greatest, but stop trying to act like the PATS fan base is the best and they are true fans cause their NOT…..

    True fans don’t go to sleep when their team is losing and that’s what most of you did, but at least a lot of you called the radio station and admitted your guilt……

  103. canadaldavis says: Feb 6, 2017 11:22 AM

    I am a Raiders fan,so I am objective and neutral.

    Montana
    Elway
    Aikman
    Favre
    Rodgers
    Young
    Bradshaw
    Stabler
    Brady

    9th is not so bad.

  104. cowboyfan45 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:23 AM

    Brady best ever at what, CHEATING!

    Atlanta choke fest doesn’t make Brady better..

  105. leatherface2012 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:23 AM

    tylawspick6 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:04 AM

    I still think Peyton is better. That man has 5 mvp trophies. Brady has 2. Sorry, but you gotta have more than 2 to claim the best ever.

    Now, Belicheck on the other hand, I believe he is the best ever. If Peyton had Belli had been together, he’d have at least 5 super bowl rings too.

    how many sb rings and mvps does peyton have again?

  106. rwhite151 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:24 AM

    For all of you calling Brady a cheater just remember:

    Rice – admitted using Stickum
    Montana – admitted that the 49rs o-line sprayed silicon on their shirts to be slippery

    Both of these are verified on-field cheating incidents that are much worse than the PSI allegation.

    Don’t be a hater. Joe and Jerry were great just like Brady.

  107. LyinRogerMustGo says: Feb 6, 2017 11:25 AM

    dukeearl says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:10 AM

    Montana, one less SB win but undefeated.


    Not a bad track record at all for the second greatest quarterback of all time.

    🙂

  108. tylawspick6 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:26 AM

    saints12013 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:54 AM
    @LyinRogerMustGO

    You are the exact definition poster child of why people hate the Pats, actually we really don’t hate the Pats we hate their fans.

    You wanna gloat about the Pats 5 rings but I bet your a bandwagon fan like 90% of N.E. fans. You probably weren’t even alive for all five rings or was rooting for another team before 2001.

    I’m listening to my local radio station and Pats fans were calling in saying they went to bed and didn’t even see their team win. hahahahahahahaha but you guys are true fans right ??? hahahahahahahaha

    ——————————————-

    Wait, what?

    You’re a Saints fan and you think you know about the educated, passionate and loyal Pats fan? haha!

    Cannot be made up. It just can’t!

    – Pats Diehard For 35 years (with season tickets in my family since ’78)

    How can arguably the world’s greatest sports town have bandwagon fans?

    It just doesn’t make sense.

  109. patk617 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:28 AM

    I’d rather have 4 super bowl MVP’s than regular season MVP’s and
    Anyone who says otherwise is a fool, wjo careswhat you do in the regular season, the ring is the thing and it’s all that matters

  110. spillertime21 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:28 AM

    I spent the whole year talking trash about TB.

    But after what I saw last night, I have nothing to say except:

    He’s the best. Ever.

  111. straighcashhomey says: Feb 6, 2017 11:30 AM

    superpatriotsfan be mad. He very mad.

  112. 345snarkavenue says: Feb 6, 2017 11:32 AM

    harrisonhits2 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:46 AM
    Now the politically correct, want everyone to get a participation trophy and nothing more, lazy, whining, self entitled crowd find the hard work and innovation somehow “cheating” because they are either incapable and or to lazy to do so themselves.

    People like you will always wonder why you didn’t get the promotion you thought you should, or the pretty girl you were hitting on or any of your other goals. You will always think you were somehow “cheated” when you were simply outworked by the other person.

    ——

    I’m a Patriots fan as you are, but what a simplistic statement. Sure there are people that fit exactly what you write, but to stereotype and pigeon-hole everyone that has a different view than you do is narrow-minded, and simply put is a significant part of the problems we all face today.

  113. nhpats says: Feb 6, 2017 11:33 AM

    dukeearl says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:10 AM
    Montana, one less SB win but undefeated.

    ———-

    Correct….Montana was only capable of making it to 4 SBs……Brady has made it to 7. Not much of a comparison there.

  114. phinatic29 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:38 AM

    The Debate is over.

    Brady is overrated.

    Goodell is the greatest of all time.

  115. steves11 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:38 AM

    Roger Goodell is scheming as we speak, trying to figure out a way to nail Brady and Belichick for yet another cheating scandal. He doesn’t like the taste of Humble Pie.

  116. carloswlassiter says: Feb 6, 2017 11:41 AM

    curtj5 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:01 AM

    Besides the fact that the Raiders should have one of his rings, there’s still no debate. Brady is the best evah. 🙂
    ————————————————————
    You realize the loss to NE in the AFC playoffs after the 2001 season was in the divisional round, right? And even if the call had gone the other way there was still enough time for NE to win?

    And that the Raiders if victorious would have had to go to Pittsburgh the following week. And if they won that, then play the Rams in the SB.

    Why would anyone think the raiders could win any of those games? The following year the Raiders did make the SB and got destroyed in epic fashion by a mediocre TB team, the so the revisionist history here is beyond delusional.

  117. sainttimbo says: Feb 6, 2017 11:42 AM

    Would we even be having this conversation if he’d been drafted by Cleveland? He’s a great QB, but winning a SB is a team effort. Even Peyton couldn’t win any until they surrounded him with quality players.

  118. RE LEE says: Feb 6, 2017 11:43 AM

    Doubters and haters now you are non-entities, like what Brady’s dad said.
    The debate is over.

  119. raiderrob21 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:45 AM

    The debate was over entering this SB he surpassed Joe. After winning it, all the Joe supporters have no more strings to hold on to. Brady is the GOAT at his position NOT GOAT of the NFL, now that is a whole different debate. Congrats to Brady and the Pats, I still hate you, but must pay respect where respect is due.

  120. glac1 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:46 AM

    Certainly one of the best but it’s impossible to say the best ever. There have been a lot of great ones over the years in totally different eras. It’s easy for the media to forget this because most haven’t heard of the Herbers, Jorgenson’s, Unitas’s, Starr’s, Bradshaw’s, Staubach’s and Montana’s…

  121. jstamper3377 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:49 AM

    Montana, one less SB win but undefeated.

    —————————————————

    Yes, you should definitely get bonus points for losing in an earlier round of the playoffs as opposed to making it all the way to the Super Bowl.

  122. backuppunter says: Feb 6, 2017 11:50 AM

    I have spent many years arguing with patriots fans that Brady/Bill are not really the best ever. For fun mostly, but now I can’t even pretend.

    What a game though very fun to watch.

    but just because somebody is the best doesn’t mean I have to like them

  123. Mr. Wright 212 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:52 AM

    Yeah.. No.

    Permanently disqualified from that title for cheating.

  124. davidceltic says: Feb 6, 2017 11:53 AM

    In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the disgraceful actions of the current NFL office and forever preserve the excellence of this Great Football Team.

    Since the end of the first half of the game in question: Brady 78 Touchdowns, 14 Interceptions; 2 AFC Championship WINS; 2 Super Bowl WINS; and helped his team win enough games to play in the 2016 AFC Championship game.

    New England Patriots and Tom Brady:

    PRIOR to DEFLATEGATE: 5 AFC Championships WINS and 3 Super Bowl WINS.

    AFTER DEFLATEGATE (3 seasons): 2 AFC Championships WINS and 2 Super Bowl WINS.

    DEFLATEGATE FACTS:
    During 19 January, 2015 (day after AFC Championship Game), an official letter sent to Mr. Kraft from the senior vice president of NFL operations (David Gardi) informed the Patriots that an investigation will be conducted.

    1. FACT: On page two, the letter states the following: … “each of the Colts’ game balls that was inspected met the requirements set forth.”

    That statement turns out to be totally not true. Page 8, of the Wells report confirms that 3 of the 4 Colts’ footballs were in fact deflated. Who from the NFL office directed to stop testing the Colts’ remaining 8 footballs???

    2. FACT: The NFL has finally admitted that they DID NOT know anything about the Ideal Gas Law (IGL). That admission is incredible!

    3. FACT: Brady was found guilty by the NFL office based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN” (quote Wells Report).

    4. What would you do if someone in your family was accused and deemed guilty based on “ASSUMPTIONS AND DATA THAT IS UNCERTAIN” (quote Wells Report)? Could you accept that???

    5. Why wouldn’t Brady turn his cell phone in? …… Would you provide your cell phone to folks that you know are not truthful (19 Jan. letter, etc.)???

    6. FACT: NFL announces creation of PSI rules hours before leaking story that Brady “destroys” phone. Thus, the public quickly forgets the NFL admits they had no PSI rules or knowledge of the Ideal Gas Law.

    7. This is AMERICA and King Roger and Troy Vincent are NOT bigger than our great Country!

  125. varangia says: Feb 6, 2017 11:53 AM

    Brady is the greatest QB of all time. Also the greatest football player of all time, and is now probably only behind Babe Ruth as greatest sports figure in history.

  126. saints12013 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:54 AM

    @tylawpick6

    Ya I absolutely know about being a passionate fan. I’ve been a Saints fan my entire life. Never switched teams, never went to bed cause we were losing, never bought any other teams clothing.

    I ask Patriot fans simple questions about their team everywhere I go and 99% of them can’t even answer entry level football questions cause their fake fans.

    I live right here in Mass there buddy, and if you live here also you know exactly what I’m talking about. Your fellow fanbase are front runners and weren’t fans of the Pats before the Rams game. I know 100s of people that were fans of other teams and as soon as N.E. started doing good they all jumped on the bandwagon.

    New England Patriots fans = Really 49ers or Cowboys fans….. cause y’all are PHONIES

  127. johngaltwho says: Feb 6, 2017 11:54 AM

    I wouldnt say “debate over” but he’s certainly one of the greatest and most successful NFL quarterbacks in history. As for Belichick – he will always have the asterisk – he’s earned it.

  128. carloswlassiter says: Feb 6, 2017 11:55 AM

    dukeearl says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:10 AM

    Montana, one less SB win but undefeated.
    ————————————————————
    What a stunningly ignorant argument.

    Montana’s 4 best seasons: SB win
    Montana’s 5th best season: NFC title game loss
    Montana’s 6th best season: NFC title game loss
    Montana’s 7th best season: AFC title game loss
    Montana’s 8th best season: NFC div. round loss
    Montana’s 9th best season: NFC div. round loss
    Montana’s 10th best season: NFC div. round loss
    Montana’s 11th best season: AFC wild card. round loss
    Montana’s 12th best season: Missed playoffs

    Brady’s 5 best seasons: SB Win
    Brady’s 6th best season: SB loss
    Brady’s 7th best season: SB loss
    Brady’s 8th best season: AFC title game loss
    Brady’s 9th best season: AFC title game loss
    Brady’s 1oth best season: AFC title game loss
    Brady’s 11th best season: AFC title game loss
    Brady’s 12th best season: AFC div. round loss.

    How can Montana get more credit for losing in earlier rounds than Brady in 5 of his 12 best seasons?

  129. PFT loves the Steelers says: Feb 6, 2017 11:55 AM

    The Debate is only over because some don’t want to use any logic beyond 5 > 4. Joe Montana went 4-0 in SB’s, playing masterfully (with zero interceptions) in all of them. His 127.8 rating in the big game is a record that will never be touched for multiple SB’s). Unlike Brady, his passer rating went UP when the stakes were raised. His stats are better when compared to the peers of his era. Unfortunately for Joe, he only played 10 healthy seasons for the 49ers, 9 of those with his genius coach Bill Walsh. The game was brutal back then, QBs got destroyed, and Montana was a shell of himself by his late 30’s, finishing his career on a different team.

    Compare that to Brady, who has now played 15 healthy seasons, all with the same coach and same franchise. Now stop and be rational for a moment. You don’t think Montana could’ve gotten a 5th ring with 5-6 more healthy seasons with his original coach? Of course he could’ve. That’s just one reason why the 5 > 4 argument is silly. Bradshaw has more rings than Marino, but ain’t nobody going to say Bradshaw was better.

  130. lscottman3 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:56 AM

    No team has changed the rules in order to fit their narrative to gain an advantage.
    =================================

    the Colts made the league move the out of the AFC East because they could not compete against the Dolphins, Bills, Pats and Jets.
    How many MVP’s would Peyton have had if he was not in the weakest of the weakest divisions?

    then we have the dumb argument that Peyton would have had more MVP’s if Bill was his coach. This after arguing Brady has only 2 MVP’s. Well how many Coach of the year awards does Bill have?

    The AP voters should hide their heads in shame giving the award this year to a team with 5 losses versus 2.

  131. fritz96 says: Feb 6, 2017 11:56 AM

    The best at having Super Bowls gifted to him. The tuck rule, throwing from the 1, throwing twice while in field goal range… Montana and Starr “won” 9 championships. Brady “won” 2.

  132. stevebowl says: Feb 6, 2017 11:57 AM

    He threw 62 passes and didn’t even have an ice bag on his shoulder after the game.

  133. phinatic29 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:01 PM

    Goodell is the GOAT!!

  134. vipod4ever says: Feb 6, 2017 12:02 PM

    Florio, the title of this post is missing something.

    “Debate over: Tom Brady is the best ever. Period.”

    You could still make a case for Montana before SB LI, but that train has left the station, never to return until the next great one appears.

    Brady is the GOAT of QBs.

    Can’t quite give him GOAT NFL Player of All Time. Believe athleticism plays a part, and for my money Brown & Rice tied for that title.

  135. iggypop102 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:03 PM

    Prediction: PATS trade Jimmy G. to Browns, then next year Browns beat PATS in AFC Championship Game.

  136. RandyinRoxbury says: Feb 6, 2017 12:08 PM

    That’s right Mr Florio, TB is God with cleats!
    All Hail King Brady!

  137. joeybrownersgoonakickyourarse says: Feb 6, 2017 12:14 PM

    There is SO Much more to this debate than winning championships. This is the Ultimate TEAM GAME, and assuming Brady is the best just because of rings disrespects the other 52 guys on the team and the fact that this defense was NUMBER ONE in points allowed!!?! Defense is also what got him his earlier rings.

    Yes, he is one of the best ever, but let’s not throw Marino, Montana and Young under the bus yet. Hell, Aaron Rodgers is way more mobile, tosses less INTs and has done more to elevate the lesser team around him. Much as I hate to say as a Vikings fan…

  138. shadywarrior says: Feb 6, 2017 12:14 PM

    Everyone on here still trying to discredit the Pats, in whatever pathetic, desperate way you can –YOU– people like you are exactly what makes victories like these so sweet. Keep on cryin’, we’ll keep on winning.

  139. alltee says: Feb 6, 2017 12:16 PM

    there is no debate on Brady being the GOAT amongst nfl circles including players, coaches and football analysts.

    there still is a debate amongst anti patriot trolls sitting in their bedrooms typing away from behind a computer screen

    i would say the latter category is clearly more informed and has a better understanding of football then those people who have played, coached or analysed the game professionally.

  140. theghostofaldavis says: Feb 6, 2017 12:23 PM

    carloswlassiter says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:41 AM
    curtj5 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:01 AM

    Besides the fact that the Raiders should have one of his rings, there’s still no debate. Brady is the best evah. 🙂
    ————————————————————
    You realize the loss to NE in the AFC playoffs after the 2001 season was in the divisional round, right? And even if the call had gone the other way there was still enough time for NE to win?

    And that the Raiders if victorious would have had to go to Pittsburgh the following week. And if they won that, then play the Rams in the SB.

    Why would anyone think the raiders could win any of those games? The following year the Raiders did make the SB and got destroyed in epic fashion by a mediocre TB team, the so the revisionist history here is beyond delusional.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Why would anyone think the Raiders could win any of those games?

    Let’s begin:
    – That fumble changed possession and, as time elapsed with a Raiders drive (even if only a 3 and out), NE was done. They weren’t winning that game.

    -The same Pitts team that Gannon shredded to begin the following season? You know, the game in which he set the ‘straight-completions’ record? Yeah, fans who actually watch the games know exactly how that would have gone.

    -Rams in the SB vs Raiders would have been a great game. I believe that the playmakers the Raiders had on D at the time would have made the difference.

    -As for the statement ‘destroyed in epic fashion’ the following year (ummm…yeah…playing in the SUPER BOWL), we ALL know the ridiculous factors that went into that catastrophe (Gruden, no change in his playcall language, Robbins going off the night before – possibly due to a last min change in game plans, etc.).

    Don’t let your hate shine through so blatantly. That Raiders team was incredible and was robbed by the false application of a bad rule (both hands on the ball meant the ‘tuck’ was complete and it WAS a fumble). Any call that takes 12 minutes of discussion means that there was NOT indisputable proof or evidence to overturn the PROPER call on the field.

    ONE NATION!

  141. canadaldavis says: Feb 6, 2017 12:23 PM

    Brady winning because opposing coaches get “Mad Cow Disease” does not make him good.The facts are he was outplayed and beaten in the last two Superbowls ,but for whatever reason,Carroll and Quinn became insane.

    Now if you want to credit Brady with somehow injecting the disease into Carroll and Quinn,I’m good.Otherwise,Brady is 9th best QB of all time.Look ,that’s not bad.9th is OK.

  142. comments321 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:24 PM

    TB is the greatest NFL champion, similar to how Bill Russell is the greatest NBA champion. But if we’re looking at actual skill set TB is not in the top 3.

  143. saints12013 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:24 PM

    @shadywarrior

    I’m not discrediting the Pats for winning at all. They did what they do and I’m not surprised at all. When you have TB as your QB there’s always a chance to win.

    But I will discredit phony people for being Patriot fans cause they don’t know crap about football and the majority of them were rooting for another team earlier in their lives.

    I remember when you didn’t see ANY Patriot hats, jackets, flags, bumper stickers, billboards around this region. Want to know why ??? Simple, cause there were almost ZERO Pats fans here.

  144. steelcurtainn says: Feb 6, 2017 12:25 PM

    Best ever lol. Not. Shady Brady needed the last two teams he played in the sb to have coaching breakdowns. Joe Montana was the best ever.

  145. gibbskins9 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:26 PM

    Montana NEVER lost a SuperBowl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  146. 345snarkavenue says: Feb 6, 2017 12:26 PM

    the “Manning would have more SB wins with Belichick” is a ridiculous arguement, because they wouldn’t have lasted together.

    With Peyton it has always been about Peyton. That would not fly in Belichick’s world. The thing that makes Brady/Belichick work is that (and Brady has said this himself many times) Bill is the coach, and Brady is the player.

  147. dsigrey says: Feb 6, 2017 12:29 PM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM
    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.
    ___________________________________

    Life sucks for you huh? Oh and Giselle is Brady’s first and only wife.

  148. saints12013 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:32 PM

    @theghostofaldavis

    These Pats fans are delusional. They all know that was the biggest robbery of all time.

  149. firecracker87 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:33 PM

    saints12013 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:54 AM
    @tylawpick6

    Ya I absolutely know about being a passionate fan. I’ve been a Saints fan my entire life. Never switched teams, never went to bed cause we were losing, never bought any other teams clothing.

    I ask Patriot fans simple questions about their team everywhere I go and 99% of them can’t even answer entry level football questions cause their fake fans.

    I live right here in Mass there buddy, and if you live here also you know exactly what I’m talking about. Your fellow fanbase are front runners and weren’t fans of the Pats before the Rams game. I know 100s of people that were fans of other teams and as soon as N.E. started doing good they all jumped on the bandwagon.

    New England Patriots fans = Really 49ers or Cowboys fans….. cause y’all are PHONIES
    ———————————————————–

    So what if they became fans a week ago. Let people have fun. 🙂

  150. superpatsfan4 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:34 PM

    This debate is officially over. Also the greatest coach in the history of the league and maybe ever in the history of anything is Bill Belichick. The greatest team and the greatest Dynasty in the history of sports is the New England Patriots. People should realize that if their families or their business or just their individual lives were run like the Patriots run their organization it would probably be better over the Long Haul. Yes it had been some organizational mistakes but not too many and over the course of 17 years there ability to focus on the task at hand and not worry about the ephemera that comes from People Like Us on sites like these should be praised and not constantly be belittled by people with oversized agendas and teeny tiny Minds. There is no longer a point to come to this site because the debate is over. As a fan of the New England Patriots head look very much forward to next year and challenging for another championship!

  151. thefatlazygamer says: Feb 6, 2017 12:36 PM

    “steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM
    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call.”

    If Gisele came knocking on Ben’s door back in the early 2000s, you think he wouldn’t have taken her into some club bathroom to teach her how to snap him a football?

    Brady took his team from the jaws of defeat to the thrill of victory. As a fan of football, you should be able to respect this historic moment. This is an outcome no one here probably ever sees again in their lifetime. Down 25 points in the Super Bowl to victory is amazing, whether you have a vendetta against him or not.

    Oh and if any QB had the rules changed to benefit them, it would be Peyton Manning. His WRs would get mugged legally in the playoffs and he would melt.

  152. thefan08 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:36 PM

    Finally, people are coming to realize what I have been saying for the longest time. I am s Steelers fan so I have a strong dislike for Brady but I am also a realist. Unlike most QB in NFL history, Brady is the only one doing the things he is doing without a top flight receiver or running game. The fact is, the man pushes his guys and then you start seeing no name receivers running crisp routes and Brady just dissecting defenses.

    He has faced about all the defense you can throw at him and he has prevailed. Now, we can’t talk about Brady and not bring up Belichik and the things he has done to make Brady the best ever.

    Move over Manning, Brady is the new Sheriff.

  153. eddievortex says: Feb 6, 2017 12:37 PM

    steelerfanjo says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:28 AM

    Whatever. Brady cheated on his first wife. Cheated the game for a team that got caught cheating. He lost two SB’s. Seahawks gave him one title and Sunday was a gift as well. Brady is a decent QB who the NFL changed its rule for, and he is a whiner who gets every call
    __________________________________
    Still a little salty since that championship game huh!

  154. Flash1287 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:39 PM

    I remember when you didn’t see ANY Patriot hats, jackets, flags, bumper stickers, billboards around this region. Want to know why ??? Simple, cause there were almost ZERO Pats fans here.

    When , 1991?

    They have sold out EVERY game since 1994 since Kraft purchased the team!

  155. ikeclanton says: Feb 6, 2017 12:39 PM

    345snarkavenue says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:32 AM
    harrisonhits2 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:46 AM
    Now the politically correct, want everyone to get a participation trophy and nothing more, lazy, whining, self entitled crowd find the hard work and innovation somehow “cheating” because they are either incapable and or to lazy to do so themselves.

    People like you will always wonder why you didn’t get the promotion you thought you should, or the pretty girl you were hitting on or any of your other goals. You will always think you were somehow “cheated” when you were simply outworked by the other person.

    ——

    I’m a Patriots fan as you are, but what a simplistic statement. Sure there are people that fit exactly what you write, but to stereotype and pigeon-hole everyone that has a different view than you do is narrow-minded, and simply put is a significant part of the problems we all face today.

    —-

    For the record, I agree with harrisonhits2 in his statement. Most excuse-makers pick the laziest road to defend their argument, and the ‘cheater’ nonsense is all they have, even in the face of mountains of evidence and logic to the contrary.

    Well, I agree with him mostly. Let’s face it–none of these cellar-dwelling nitwits ever hit on pretty girls before.

  156. phinatic29 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:39 PM

    Goodell > Brady

    anyone outside of Boston knows that.

  157. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says: Feb 6, 2017 12:42 PM

    Still a cheater.

  158. nyjetsfan08 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:42 PM

    Bunch of haters. I loved Montana and still do but Brady is above him now. No question. And that’s not a knock. It’s not like there’s an ocean difference between 1 and 2. But it’s enough that Brady is at the top of the heap.

    Let’s look at some more QBs:

    Otto Graham. Spectacular. Unbelievable. But he played against inferior competition in the AAFC. There were also only 8 teams and then later 7 teams. Now he did win 3 NFL titles, which is equivalent to winning the NFC championship game of today. He also played in a pre-SB era. Might as well be different sports. I’d still put Otto top 5 QB of all time. 10 straight championship appearances across the AAFC and NFL is incredible. Brady has 11 AFC championship appearances and 7 AFC championships. So, I’d give the nod to Brady on that one, especially with 32 teams, salary cap, player trades, all that stuff.

    Unitas. There’s a good newspaper clipping of either Baugh or Luckman, in the mid to late 60s, commenting that Starr was a nice player but Unitas is the best ever. Interestingly, Baugh or Luckman (forget who) stated that if Joe Namath can stay healthy, that he would be the best of all time, supplanting Unitas. Unitas is still known as the first modern QB that ties to the era today. 3 NFL titles (again, equivalent to the NFC championship) and 1 SB victory.

    Peyton Manning. In many ways, Manning is Unitas 2.0. A bigger, better, more modern and improved version of Unitas. Probably the best regular season QB in NFL history, certainly if you go by the stats. And if you don’t think Manning is better than Unitas, he’s at least equal to Unitas. Manning has 2 SBs. But he also was a piss-poor playoff QB. Even with his 2 SBs, he practically limped all the way in the playoffs to his 4 SB appearances. Something happened to this guy after the regular season ended. The switch turned off in the playoffs and Peyton Manning wasn’t Peyton Manning. When it mattered most, it was his teams who bailed him out in those 2 SB wins.

    Montana. Just saying it speaks for itself. 4 SB appearances. 4 SB wins. 11 TDs. 0 INTs. Perfect in the big game. In my mind, he’s the closest to Brady. Montana had the great coach and great players.

    The big difference is Brady has won more Super Bowls, is a 4x SB MVP, owns just about every playoff stat (except maybe yards per attempt and W-L pct in the playoffs; I think Otto still might hold the yards per attempt record), and he’s not done. He also won with new supporting casts each time, thanks to the era of salary caps and player trades. Montana had the luxury of playing with the same group of guys every year. And Brady could still win more Super Bowls and he might get those regular season records, passing Peyton Manning. Plus, he’s 39 and playing just as well as he did when he was 25 and no sign of slowing down. That longevity cannot be ignored. It’s one reason why Jerry Rice is considered the GOAT wide receiver. He played for 20 years at a highest level of football and was pretty consistent for those 20 years. If Brady can do the same, there might be an argument for best NFL player at any position.

  159. tigerlilac says: Feb 6, 2017 12:43 PM

    Funny, I am not seeing or hearing any of the other 31 NFL owners

    1. Praising the Patriots

    2. Praising Belichick and Brady

    3. Admitting Deflategate is a black mark on the NFL, not thePatriots

    Brady drove a stake through the the heart of 31 NFL owners. It mised the spine because none of them have one.

  160. abcisezas123 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:43 PM

    Of his era.

    Bradshaw – the 1970s
    Montana – the 80s

    Think it’s better to think this way because the game has evolved.

  161. adrianbeatason says: Feb 6, 2017 12:43 PM

    Cheat.

  162. daytontriangles says: Feb 6, 2017 12:49 PM

    First three Patriots Super Bowl wins were prior to the rules that led to Spygate.

    Fourth Patriots Super Bowl win was with perfectly inflated footballs.

    Fifth Super Bowl win had no controversy whatsoever, other than Bady should have never missed four games during the regular season.

    There are no asterisks next to any of the Patriots five Super Bowl wins and there never will be.

  163. monarch76 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:50 PM

    Joe Montana never lost a SB. To Eli Manning….

  164. mmack66 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:51 PM

    tokyosandblaster says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:08 AM

    I’m sorry, but I can never look at a cheater and call him the best ever.

    >
    —————————–

    Lol. Okay, luckyforus.

  165. gigem20 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:52 PM

    Why are people so caught up on the GOAT thing in every sport? Can you not sleep at night if someone isn’t declared to be the best ever at something? Until we start giving actual awards for the greatest of all-time, let’s not stress out about it so much.

  166. ryann252013 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:53 PM

    As a Jets fan myself ignore the other fellow Jets fans who only like to show up when we’re winning. Hats off to Brady, he is the best QB to play the game and there is no debate anymore.

  167. rob471773 says: Feb 6, 2017 12:58 PM

    Hey Haters, how are you going to feel when the Patriots trade Jimmy G for a 1st round pick plus another mid round pick and stock up on more stud players.

    I have a feeling the Patriots will be right back into the Super Bowl next year in Minnesota.

    The tears of the cry baby haters taste especially delicious today.

  168. patsfan4lifesbchamps says: Feb 6, 2017 1:01 PM

    Brady is the greatest SYSTEM QB no doubt. I don’t think there is any other QB that would fit in the Patriots system for as long as Brady has. But without great defenses, great offensive lines, great special teams, great offensive weapons, great coaching, that Brady has had throughout his carreer can Brady succeed? We may never know unless he goes to another team.

  169. immafubared says: Feb 6, 2017 1:04 PM

    My personal feeling about the MVP doesnt fit the award itself. The word ‘valuable’ has gone missing.
    My example, the year AP won for getting like 2100 yards I though was wrong. That was a personal achievement but his team didn’t win and he didn’t win for his team. they were so so that year. They did a lot to help him acheive his goal. But forgot you need to win football games.
    Manning played behind one of the best O lines ever and in a domed stadium most of his career, not outside in the elements. Then he has the ability to pick and choose his new team and ironically picks the team with the best D and one of the best O lines in football. He went to a great team, did not make it great.
    Brady stayed put and put a stamp on a team for almost two decades. 7 super bowls. He won five. He plays out doors. He wins games. Sometimes on his own. Ya he is the best of all times hands down.

  170. BoulderPhinfan says: Feb 6, 2017 1:06 PM

    he was already the best football player of all time and I’m a dolphins fan.

    But the question is would brady be the best ever if he didn’t have belichick as his coach? I’m not so sure.

  171. mikericci1 says: Feb 6, 2017 1:08 PM

    I didn’t forget!

    Patriots*

    *World Champions, 5 time champs, winners of more Super Bowls than any NFL team in the last 34 years, winners of more games this century than any NFL team, home of the GOAT QB, GOAT coach, the best fans in football as proven by a recent study, the paragon of excellence in the modern NFL and if we’re being complete honest, the paragon of excellence in any sport at any time.

    All hail the King! All hail the World Champion Patriots! All hail the NFL’s Greatest Dynasty!

    You forgot one thing! Best-selling jersey in the NFL #12!

  172. rob471773 says: Feb 6, 2017 1:11 PM

    monarch76 says:

    Feb 6, 2017 12:50 PM

    Joe Montana never lost a SB. To Eli Manning….
    ———————
    Joe Montana also only made it to 4 because he:

    – Lost NFC title game vs Redskins in ’83
    – Lost Wild Card Round vs. Giants in ’85 (1 & DONE)
    – Lost Division Round vs. Giants in ’86 (1 & DONE)
    – Lost Div. Round vs. Vikes in ’87 (1 & DONE @ Home)
    – Lost NFC title game vs. Giants in ’90 (@ Home)

    The fact that Montana whizzed down his leg before even making it to the Super Bowl several times doesn’t count as a strike against Brady in this argument.

  173. gencoimports says: Feb 6, 2017 1:11 PM

    I’ll agree they are the best for this era, but it is impossible to know how Lombardi, Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana numbers would have compared if they had played in this era.

    All I know is it was harder to Complete passes in their respective eras vs. today.

  174. LyinRogerMustGo says: Feb 6, 2017 1:12 PM

    monarch76 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 12:50 PM

    Joe Montana never lost a SB. To Eli Manning….


    Tom Brady was never blown out in a one and done twice to Phil Simms 🙂

  175. bigbluefan1 says: Feb 6, 2017 1:12 PM

    Yes he is the best other then when he plays the Giants

  176. rob471773 says: Feb 6, 2017 1:12 PM

    BoulderPhinfan says:

    Feb 6, 2017 1:06 PM
    he was already the best football player of all time and I’m a dolphins fan.

    But the question is would brady be the best ever if he didn’t have belichick as his coach? I’m not so sure.
    —————–
    Would Montana have been as great without Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice and several other hall of fame players?

  177. zampft says: Feb 6, 2017 1:28 PM

    you make a good argument to cheat

  178. pastabelly says: Feb 6, 2017 1:57 PM

    monarch76 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 12:50 PM
    Joe Montana never lost a SB. To Eli Manning….
    ======================================
    Joe Montana never played in a SB against Eli Manning, but he managed to lose to the NY Giants enough in the playoffs. He put up only three points in two of those three games.

    Seriously, Joe Montana was a great quarterback and one of the very best. No Tom Brady fan will deny that.

  179. mmack66 says: Feb 6, 2017 1:58 PM

    rob471773 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 1:12 PM

    Would Montana have been as great without Bill Walsh, Jerry Rice and several other hall of fame players?
    ——————————

    He looked pretty good in Kansas City. The win against the Broncos was one for the ages.

  180. rocksoup342 says: Feb 6, 2017 2:00 PM

    Its great reading all the crap from the haters…funny stuff, Brady =s G.O.A.T !!!!! and its not even close!

  181. cuda1234 says: Feb 6, 2017 2:12 PM

    But the media keeps telling me someone named “tebow” is the greatest ever. Which one is true?

  182. kifleheimer says: Feb 6, 2017 2:19 PM

    Otto Graham- 10 STRAIGHT Championships, 7 Championship wins playing QB as well as Safety.

    Tom Brady- ZERO Superbowls and ZERO rings without cheating.

    You’re right, there is zero debate. Brady isnt even close to Graham much less in the running for GOAT. You can try to debate it, but you will fail.

  183. jeffnadler says: Feb 6, 2017 2:27 PM

    If the number of championships is what determines who is the greatest, Brady is certainly in the discussion but he doesn’t stand alone on the top of the heap. The first QB to win 5 NFL championships is Bart Starr, the hero of the Ice Bowl and MVP of Super Bowls I & II. Starr also holds the record for post season winning percentage at .900 (Brady ranks third at .737) and the highest career postseason passer rating at 104.8 (Brady’s rating is in the top ten). It took Brady fifteen years to win his five NFL titles; Starr did it in seven years, including three straight (which no other QB has done). Bart Starr has an equal (and IMO better) claim as the greatest QB in history.

  184. mezanine10 says: Feb 6, 2017 2:30 PM

    Montana played with several pro bowlers, all pros and hall of famers. Brady accomplished more with less. Much less.

  185. xiiprestige says: Feb 6, 2017 2:31 PM

    Nobody can make that argument valid!!!! Nobody!!! When you are a proven cheater you cant even be considered. Besides #18 held every QB record at 1 time and still holds what 95% of them. Debate over

  186. canedaddy says: Feb 6, 2017 2:37 PM

    Nope, debate not over. If Unitas traded places with Brady they probably would have won 10 straight Super Bowls.

  187. simplec72 says: Feb 6, 2017 2:45 PM

    Debate over: League MVP voting should wait until after the Superbowl

  188. JSpicoli says: Feb 6, 2017 2:45 PM

    It’s not tennis, bowling or boxing.

    GOAT discussions are for fan-girls, and comic con attendees.

  189. lippy51 says: Feb 6, 2017 2:49 PM

    Nope, debate not over. If Unitas traded places with Brady they probably would have won 10 straight Super Bowls.
    ——————-
    I hear a lot of “if’s” and “probably’s” in these comments. The reason the debate is over is that Brady has put it to rest with his actions. There is nothing hypothetical about his dominance.

  190. squackduckhawk says: Feb 6, 2017 2:52 PM

    This is one of the longest threads I have ever seen on this site. For the record, there is no debate against 5 rings, either for coach or player… That being said, Brady only plays offense, so did Jim Brown, Joe Montana, Otto Graham and Bart Starr. Nobody mentioned Jim Thorpe who was the best player on the field on BOTH sides of the ball and an Olympian to boot. Congratulations to The Patriots for their iconic win, it truly was one for the ages. I will never forget having witnessed such an amazing feat.

  191. hukdeep says: Feb 6, 2017 3:00 PM

    mezanine10 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 2:30 PM
    Montana played with several pro bowlers, all pros and hall of famers. Brady accomplished more with less. Much less.

    I guess Belicheat had nothing to do with enabling a mediocre qb………

  192. frank booth says: Feb 6, 2017 3:06 PM

    dukeearl says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:10 AM
    Montana, one less SB win but undefeated.
    ===================================
    Don’t forget guys like Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning, Troy Aikman, Bart Starr, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams and others; they are undefeated as well.

    Brady got his team to 3 more SB’s than Montana did. Brady has thrown for 20k yards more and almost 200 TD’s more. and has a better playoff record.

    And bringing Unitas into the mix is just plain funny. He revolutionized the game and was ahead of his time and deserves every accolade and the HOF for his contributions, but he just doesn’t stack up with many of the greats today.

  193. lippy51 says: Feb 6, 2017 3:07 PM

    Nobody can make that argument valid!!!! Nobody!!! When you are a proven cheater you cant even be considered. Besides #18 held every QB record at 1 time and still holds what 95% of them. Debate over

    ————————–
    Haha this is really funny!

  194. ikeclanton says: Feb 6, 2017 3:30 PM

    osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Feb 6, 2017 12:42 PM
    Still a cheater.

    —-

    Don’t you and the Seahawks have a pretend dynasty to attend to right about now?

  195. flaccojumpball says: Feb 6, 2017 3:36 PM

    Please. He’s not even close. If you cheat then you cannot be considered the GOAT. You need to be a great character on and off the field by the time you retire. Granted some people had issues like Ray Lewis but he worked through them. When I think of the GOAT I think of Rice, Ray Lewis, Montana, Jim Brown, Unitas, Peyton Manning.

    When I think of cheaters I think of Brady and Belichick. Combine the cheating with the support of Trump and you cannot call either one of them the GOAT. Both coach and player are a disgrace to their profession and will forever have a cheating footnote attached to their legacy.

  196. rwhite151 says: Feb 6, 2017 3:36 PM

    lippy51 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 3:07 PM
    Nobody can make that argument valid!!!! Nobody!!! When you are a proven cheater you cant even be considered. Besides #18 held every QB record at 1 time and still holds what 95% of them. Debate over

    ——————

    Hey Zippy, Brady is not a proven cheater so there is your answer. At best he possibly, maybe more probably than not knew of something that the equipment guys might be doing. There is no proof and actually much more proof that he did nothing, it’s called science..

  197. johnnyhambone says: Feb 6, 2017 3:49 PM

    best ever means brady would be able to play at a high level in the 60’s 70’s and 80’s. Laughable!!!! Deacon Jones Lyle Alzado Ted Hendricks Dick Butkus Mean Joe Greene Jack Lambert Lawrence Taylor would have made Brady tap out of the nfl within 3 years. Brady too much of a sissy to excel or play in those eras.

  198. operations666 says: Feb 6, 2017 3:53 PM

    And Brady did it with 3 little white receivers.

  199. frank booth says: Feb 6, 2017 4:06 PM

    johnnyhambone says:
    Feb 6, 2017 3:49 PM
    best ever means brady would be able to play at a high level in the 60’s 70’s and 80’s. Laughable!!!! Deacon Jones Lyle Alzado Ted Hendricks Dick Butkus Mean Joe Greene Jack Lambert Lawrence Taylor would have made Brady tap out of the nfl within 3 years. Brady too much of a sissy to excel or play in those eras.
    ===================================
    All great defenders, but you have no idea how they would stack up against present linemen, offensive systems and speed of today’s NFL. I’m not a Brady fan, but there aren’t too many players in the NFL that are sissies.

  200. roberteddy says: Feb 6, 2017 4:19 PM

    Atlanta got cited for pumping in fake crowd noise. You can put an asterisk next to every team if you want to be hyper-critical.

    Brady – best ever
    Belichick – best ever

    And I think there’s 1 or 2 more SB wins in them.

  201. rc33 says: Feb 6, 2017 4:27 PM

    LMAO at all the pained, embittered Patriot-hating cupcakes that woke up absolutely miserable this morning. This one’s for you.

  202. cotroutslayer says: Feb 6, 2017 4:39 PM

    Pete Rose
    Barry Bond
    Lance Armstrong
    Tom Brady
    Bill Bellacheat

    That stink will last for generations.

  203. sportschatterdotco says: Feb 6, 2017 4:44 PM

    patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Feb 6, 2017 1:01 PM
    Brady is the greatest SYSTEM QB no doubt. I don’t think there is any other QB that would fit in the Patriots system for as long as Brady has. But without great defenses, great offensive lines, great special teams, great offensive weapons, great coaching, that Brady has had throughout his carreer can Brady succeed? We may never know unless he goes to another team.

    Youre going down swinging, I’ll give credit for that

  204. rc33 says: Feb 6, 2017 4:44 PM

    The Peyton Manning support is especially amusing. 14-13 postseason record and NINE one-and-done’s. Yeah, uh huh. Sure.

  205. buckstalion12965 says: Feb 6, 2017 4:45 PM

    Not a Pats fan. Brady even showed his greatness on the pick six…no way he was going to catch that db, but he still ran as hard as he could, then laid out in case he might get a finger on him to trip him up, or even slow him down. You’re supposed to play till the wistle, buy not everyone really does.

  206. sportschatterdotco says: Feb 6, 2017 5:10 PM

    This is why I chuckle whenever people bring up Cassell or Jimmy or the system. Last night is why Brady is Brady. Those werent the Cleveland Browns during week 8, it was the Super Bowl and they were behind by 25 points and ended up winning. Once again they were kicking his butt most of the night but he just keeps on coming at ya.

    That aint no system

  207. skawh says: Feb 6, 2017 5:13 PM

    “best” is always this subjective thing we humans do. Brady play has play 16 years in an era where QB’s and their receivers can’t be touched. And the games rules have been made to favor scoring and offense.

    And yet, none of this is considered in weighing a logical opinion about “best.” It’s simply a trick of the mind…or click bait.

    TB is the best system QB ever for sure. But how many other great QB’s from previous era’s as recently as 35 years ago may have flourished in BB’s system. TB is fortunate to have landed in NE, I’ll grant you that.

    As to yesterday, the game was over at the 4 minute mark. All Atlanta had to do was run the ball and kick a field goal from the 22 yard line. Two gifted SB’s does TB have. Were it not for the Seattle and Atlanta SB gifts to NE TB would have lost 4 straight SB’s. Greatness is in the mind of the beholder.

  208. Martin says: Feb 6, 2017 5:19 PM

    For the greatest QB of all time, now there is no more question.

    For the greatest player of all time, we will have to wait 10-15 years.

    Jerry Rice sits in Canton with many, many other teammates.

    I doubt Brady will have many teammates next to him. It proves how good he is.

  209. nevalha says: Feb 6, 2017 5:50 PM

    “Youre going down swinging, I’ll give credit for that”

    I think less “going down swinging” and more flinging poo from their diaper while in their “time out” corner.

  210. frank booth says: Feb 6, 2017 6:15 PM

    TB is the best system QB ever for sure. But how many other great QB’s from previous era’s as recently as 35 years ago may have flourished in BB’s system.
    ==================================

    Maybe none. Maybe they were geared to the offenses that they played in their era. It wasn’t as if they were calling plays by drawing them in the dirt or telling their WR’s to “run a button hook by the red Plymouth and take 3 steps back and I’ll hit you.” Or Brady would still be a great QB playing for some other team. It really comes down to being able to get the ball in the receiver’s hands

    You could speculate for every position in every sport. What would Payton have done behind the line that Emmitt Smith had? What would Lou Gehrig have done against today’s pitching? What would the Bulls have done with Elgin Baylor playing with Jordan instead of Scottie Pippen?
    Who knows? Who knows how the chemistry would have changed, how they would have integrated and complemented each other, the differences in the speed of the game, or even how the money would have changed how hard they worked?

    For the most part, you can only go on the opportunities that they had and what they did with them.

    Trying to disparage Brady by saying someone else could have done what he did is ridiculous? Fact is, he did it; no one else has.

    The whole ridiculous system QB thing is stupid as well. There are 32 starting NFL QB’s playing in systems. Joe Montana played in a system that really hadn’t been defensed before. It doesn’t reduce what he’s done. Neither had the Bears “46” defense. You have to have talented players to be successful on any team.

    If you’re not accurate, a poor-decision maker, lack leadership qualities, and can’t read defenses, it doesn’t matter what the system is.

  211. saints12013 says: Feb 6, 2017 6:44 PM

    @Flash1287

    You just prove my point even further about how Pats fans don’t have a clue….

    Kraft purchased the team in 1994 and they were still playing in Foxboro Stadium and that place never sold out buddy. Hahaha you Pats fans sure are comical…..

    And even if they did sell out games, BIG DEAL !!!
    The Browns sell out their games too…..
    Its the best sport in the world of course teams are going to sell out their stadiums……

  212. Great Caesar's Ghost says: Feb 6, 2017 7:58 PM

    They’re up there. Halas and Lambeau coached six championship teams each though. Belichick could pass them in a few years.

  213. laserw says: Feb 6, 2017 9:54 PM

    To say that Brady is the best is to insult every other QB who played by the rules and whose coaches did as well.

    It is a fact that this team was caught cheating.

    It is a fact that they have motive to stick fingers in the eyes of their detractors.

    When I think about the QB’s who played their hearts out doing it the right way, it is disgusting to even mention the jerk Brady as the best.

    Give me Joe Montana, Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, or Peyton Manning any day. Those were real men who played within the rules.

    America got the team it deserves – dishonest, unethical, arrogant, and great. The only thing missing is orange hair.

  214. taintedsaints2009 says: Feb 6, 2017 10:46 PM

    Jerry Rice territory????? what in the world are you talking about? Jerry Rice doesn’t belong in this conversation. It’s Brady and only Brady.

    The conversation has shifted to Michael Jordan and Tom Brady. THAT’S the magnitude of Tom Brady. He’s mentioned now with Michael Jordan and people are debating who is more clutch…and they play completely different sports. That in and of itself is proof that Tom Brady wins the GOAT award for the NFL. Now he is being moved into a conversation with the all time greats in other sports…

    Jerry rice? are you kidding me?

  215. haliganhooligan says: Feb 7, 2017 12:37 AM

    Not the greatest. The patriots win without him, he runs a good system. 3-1 without him this year, 11-5 without him when he tore his knee.

    There is barely a drop off in wins if at all when hes not in the line up.

    And the falcons choked and gave the game away, up 16 with 9 minutes left and they were snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the play clock every time. Not a great comeba k, a great choke job by the falcons

  216. haliganhooligan says: Feb 7, 2017 12:45 AM

    Brady is two field goals and an endzone pick away from losing 3 superbowls. He could just as easily be 1-6 or 2-5. Nothing dominating about that. His team wins, he just follows bills script.

    And montana never lost a SB or threw a pick in one. Brady would never be in this position without bill. Would never have the same success with anyone else. Thats what makes a GOAT,

    Otto grahm had 10 championships by the way

  217. bassicdave says: Feb 7, 2017 2:27 AM

    canadaldavis says:
    Feb 6, 2017 10:41 AM

    This is ridiculous.The Patriots won 2 SuperBowls and were gifted 3.Brady lost the Tuck Game.He lost the Seattle game until Carroll’s brain got “MAD COW Disease”.He lost yesterday as well until Quinn’s brain also developed “Mad Cow” disease .If Montana and Brady were on the same team,Brady would never have seen the field.Those are FACTS.

    ===

    The FACTS is that you whine too much. And your team sucks.

  218. greenmtnboy31 says: Feb 7, 2017 9:01 AM

    “The next question is whether Brady will be regarded as the greatest player at any position, supplanting Rice for that unofficial title. ”

    Rice is not and never has had the unofficial title, except in the author’s little mind. In fact, he wasn’t even the best on his team.

    As far as football players, here are a few –
    Tom Brady
    Jim Brown
    Walter Payton
    Barry Sanders
    Joe Montana
    Dick Butkis
    Lawrence Taylor
    Reggie White

  219. carlpanzramwasatypicalminnesotan says: Feb 7, 2017 9:17 AM

    Nice little circle j going on in here.

    A team that wins just as much without him? A man who has been caught cheating? A team that has been caught cheating on several occasions?

    He’s not even top 5.

  220. carlpanzramwasatypicalminnesotan says: Feb 7, 2017 9:20 AM

    I’m just kidding, guys. He’s not even top 10.

  221. jeydrade says: Feb 7, 2017 9:29 AM

    TB is the GOAT. This win solidifies that.

    The term ‘Greatest’ does not always mean most talented and we often get confused by that. I think there are other QBs who are just as gifted if not moreso than TB in terms of overall ability. He has been the most successful in no small part.

    Football is the epitome of a team sport. If you don’t have great coaching, or defense behind you, you wont win a whole lot.

    TB has been fortunate to have both of those. Don’t get me wrong, he is an incredible player that made a ton of amazing plays to help win those games. All of those phases molded together win championships. You also need a bit of luck on your side sometimes. Take the Seattle game for instance. That game was lost, minus an incredible play from his defense at the end. There is a lot more that goes into winning besides the great play of one player.

    Championships don’t always define a player. How many rings does Robert Horry have?

    TB is easily a top 3 player at his position, and as it stands is the GOAT. He is not necessarily the greatest in terms of pure talent and incredible play ability as he lacks the mobility factor. With 5 SB wins however, he probably stands on top right now.

  222. RegisHawk says: Feb 7, 2017 9:35 AM

    I know mainstream media wants to bury anything other than the company line, but I’ll always wonder how much the cheating affected his stats and the resultant wins he and the Pats got.

  223. familyjoool says: Feb 7, 2017 9:38 AM

    skawh says:
    Feb 6, 2017 5:13 PM

    “…..Greatness is in the mind of the beholder…..”

    *********************************

    No skawh, “greatness” is in the PLAY of the beholder.

    Brady is the G.O.A.T.

  224. jwarden15 says: Feb 7, 2017 10:37 AM

    Pat fans can’t deny spygate and Goodell destroying the tapes. And no he didn’t show ALL the tapes to the media. There were tapes for around 40 games so he didn’t show them all. What was on the tapes? We’ll never know. After all, Goodell said it was the right thing to do so we know it must have been bad since Congress was threatening a league wide investigation.

  225. frank booth says: Feb 7, 2017 12:23 PM

    haliganhooligan says:
    Feb 7, 2017 12:45 AM
    Brady is two field goals and an endzone pick away from losing 3 superbowls. He could just as easily be 1-6 or 2-5. Nothing dominating about that. His team wins, he just follows bills script.
    And montana never lost a SB or threw a pick in one. Brady would never be in this position without bill. Would never have the same success with anyone else. Thats what makes a GOAT,
    Otto grahm had 10 championships by the way.
    ===================================
    Joe Montana only went to 4 Super Bowls. He couldn’t get his team to another 3 like Brady did. In 2 of those Super Bowls, he had the best wide receiver ever. He won his first one only because Cincinnati choked in the end, and the only reason he won was because of Bill Walsh’s new West Coast offense that no one could stop. 3 of those Super Bowl wins were only because of Bill Walsh, and the 4th he was still running the same system. Joe Montana was a system QB. Montana could easily be 2-2, the 49ers were 2 plays away from losing 2 Super Bowls. Nothing dominating about that. The Broncos completely froze in their 55-10 SB loss to the 49ers; total choke job from the start- Montana didn’t even need to throw a TD pass to win. 49ers scripted their plays under Walsh and Seifert; Montana just had to follow the coach’s script.

    Sounds kind of silly, doesn’t it?

  226. gleyv001 says: Feb 7, 2017 12:45 PM

    You obviously forgot about Deflategate, Spygate, and Eli Manning

  227. sn19 says: Feb 7, 2017 1:20 PM

    Brady = GOAT

    But boy, it sure would have been fun to watch Manning with Brady’s coach instead of that infinitely overrated and completely overhyped Tony Dungy. Ah well – I just feel lucky to have watched both.

  228. cassrangers says: Feb 7, 2017 1:36 PM

    Sorry, but this will always be a debate. Too many factors when considering one the greatest of all. If it’s purely wins, then yes, Brady because he has the most rings…. but, why is that your reasoning? In a game where each team has 53 guys on their roster, 11 guys on offense, 11 guys on defense, and 11 guys on special teams, why would ANYONE think that 1 guy is the reason why you get to, and win, the Superbowl? Someone said earlier that Dan Marino isn’t even a consideration because he doesn’t have a ring, well, that SHOULD tell you that it’s not possible for 1 guy to wield you to the Superbowl and win! Quite honestly, I can’t help but remember the season when Brady went down week 1, and the Pats still went 11-5… with Matt Cassell starting at QB!!!! Are you serious? and to say that Peyton Manning isn’t in this convo, well, when Peyton went down, the Colts lost their first 13 games that season… That’s a crying shame! One guy is that much MORE valuable to his team than the other? And the other is considered the greatest of all time? Guess you can put Matt Cassell on that list to by the theory of “wins” being the biggest factor in that decision. MJ is considered the greatest by most in basketball, but it’s not because of his 6 titles, it’s because of the greatness he showed, and the way he played the game. He was dominant. In a game where you can show your dominance, he showed it. I can’t remember a time when Brady had a bad team around him. He’s always had a good line, and he’s always had the greatest COACH in NFL history. He’s great, no doubt, but, this doesn’t slam the door on the debate! 😉

  229. frank booth says: Feb 7, 2017 1:57 PM

    Quarterbacks do get too much credit for wins and it is a team game- A QB can throw for 500 yards and 5 TD’s in every game, but if his defense is terrible, it could be all for naught. Their shouldn’t be a W-L record next to a QB’s name any more than a running back or any other player should.

    Two things, however: Brady hasn’t always had good lines around him. His line this year was OK and last year he went through something like 9 or 10 different starters.

    With Michael Jordan, part of his dominance and legacy was the fact that he led his teams to 6 titles. Without those titles, he would still be considered one of the best, but would fall behind in the debate behind guys like Kobe Bryant, LeBron James, and Magic Johnson, among others.

    Also, pulling out a single New England season of 11-5 with Matt Cassel as some sort of evidence that anyone can play QB in New England is flawed, especially when you consider that the Patriots with Brady the year before were 16-0.

  230. revelation123 says: Feb 7, 2017 3:37 PM

    Funny, and I thought it took an entire team to win games.

    I guess Brady suddenly becomes a worse QB if his defense gives up 21 points in the 4th too, right?

  231. revelation123 says: Feb 7, 2017 3:42 PM

    QBs aren’t responsible for an entire organization. QBs aren’t responsible for the quality of their defense. QBs are only responsible for what they can control, themselves.

    So when Brady has great teams and defenses his entire career, why should we take that as a measure of Brady’s greatness?

  232. videinfra78 says: Feb 7, 2017 7:52 PM

    No way the debate is over. Anyone who doesn’t question whether Joe Montana is still the greatest of all-time doesn’t know football.

  233. frank booth says: Feb 7, 2017 8:37 PM

    videinfra78 says:
    Feb 7, 2017 7:52 PM
    No way the debate is over. Anyone who doesn’t question whether Joe Montana is still the greatest of all-time doesn’t know football.
    ===================================
    It’s not that hard. Brady went to 7 Super Bowls and won 5. Montana went to only 4 and won 4, 2 of them throwing to the best WR and possibly best football player ever. Both won with similar ranked defenses.

    If you want to get into the stupid system QB thing, they both played in a “system”.

    Brady threw 183 more TD’s in the regular season and only 3 more INT’s. Their per game playoff stats are almost identical.

    There. I questioned Joe Montana.

  234. pdxneedsnhl says: Feb 7, 2017 11:15 PM

    More like the luckiest. Benefited from the Tuck rule, Spygate, and the 2 greatest boneheaded coaching moves in NFL history.

  235. averagjoe says: Feb 7, 2017 11:21 PM

    Being the winningest QB in SuperBowl history doesn’t make him the greatest. He had seven chances and won five of them. Joe Montana had four chances, and won all four. Terry Bradshaw had four chances and won all four. Plus Bradshaw called all his own plays. Troy Aikman had three chances and won all three.

    Brady won only three. He won his fourth one while sulking on thre sideline while his defense intercepted an ill-advised pass. He had already given up, and then was given a gift by Malcolm Butler.

    And the fifth one? Handed to him on a silver platter by a holding penalty that took Atlanta out of field goal range that would have put the score out of reach.

    Is he a good quarterback? Yes.

    Greatest of all time? I think not.

  236. aarons444 says: Feb 8, 2017 2:09 PM

    “What?… Over?… Did you say ‘over’?… Nothing is over until we decide it is!.. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell No!…. And it ain’t over now!”

  237. aarons444 says: Feb 8, 2017 2:13 PM

    Not the greatest. The patriots win without him, he runs a good system. 3-1 without him this year, 11-5 without him when he tore his knee.

    There is barely a drop off in wins if at all when hes not in the line up.
    ===

    They wouldn’t have gone to 7 Super Bowls with another QB, or a series of QBs.

    Brady is every bit a part of their greatness as Belichick.

    Belichick would win without Brady, and vice versa, but not 5 times.

  238. jackamus51 says: Feb 8, 2017 10:48 PM

    Eli Manning is two miracle plays away from having NO rings!

  239. orrnumberfour says: Feb 9, 2017 8:21 AM

    Peyton Manning is so far back in Brady’s rear view mirror that you can hardly even tell if its him.

  240. orrnumberfour says: Feb 9, 2017 8:29 AM

    Poor haters. If you desperately try to argue that Tom Brady is not the Greatest QB of ALL Time, guess what?

    You lose.

  241. rc33 says: Feb 9, 2017 9:46 AM

    Call Brady the best or put him somewhere between Matt Schaub and Stan Humphries on your all-time list, I could care less. He’s got 5 rings and all your pent up hatred towards him ain’t gonna rain on any Patriots fans’ parade. Doesn’t matter in the least anymore.
    Ideally, 20 years from now you cupcakes will still be sweating bullets and losing sleep over Tom Brady.

  242. aj66shanghai says: Feb 10, 2017 4:14 PM

    Robert Horry has 6 rings

    Robert Horry > Tom Brady

    So stupid, quit pandering to NE fans, or soon you will find yourself running Patriot Football Talk and the rest of us will spend our time elswhere

  243. fritz96 says: Feb 10, 2017 4:48 PM

    Brady played until 39 for a top franchise, Montana until 34. 1 more SB for Brady during those extra years is statistically insignificant. As well, Montana had to play against Belichick while Brady got to play for him.

  244. theundertroller says: Feb 10, 2017 11:51 PM

    Brady is the best there is. He wakes up in the morning and piss excellence

  245. fritz96 says: Feb 11, 2017 6:09 PM

    If Brady didn’t play like Neil O’Donnell in the first half he wouldn’t have had to play like Joe Montana in the second half.

  246. carloswlassiter says: Feb 11, 2017 6:24 PM

    pdxneedsnhl says:
    Feb 7, 2017 11:15 PM

    More like the luckiest. Benefited from the Tuck rule, Spygate, and the 2 greatest boneheaded coaching moves in NFL history.
    ————————————————————-
    Yes. It was all luck. 16 years, 7 SB appearances and 5 titles. All a long, long continuous string of luck. No skill at all. It’s uncanny.

  247. dryden74 says: Feb 12, 2017 8:28 AM

    Am I missing something? Does the NFL have asterisks? I mean, is there an asterisk next to Jerry Rice’s receiving records to denote that he wore stickum? Are the Steelers trophies in the 70s, asterisked for steroids? Are there asterisks next to the SB wins of 49ers and Broncos for circumventing the salary cap? Didn’t think so.

  248. fritz96 says: Feb 12, 2017 1:10 PM

    All of Brady’s success has to be measured against the fact that QBs have much more longevity today due to better training, diet, supplements and rules that protect them. Montana would throw the ball then get nailed by Lawrence Taylor. Brady gets upset at the refs if he gets hit while throwing. Montana, Bradshaw, Starr, etc were past their prime by 34-35. Favre had his best year at 39. Manning had his best year at 38. Brees and Brady are playing as good as ever in their late 30s and both will play into their 40s. If Montana was able to play for that 49ers team for another 5-6 years he’d have at least a 5th Super Bowl, maybe 6.

  249. pabillsfan says: Feb 13, 2017 1:49 PM

    From a 37 year old Bills fan… Brady is the best ever easily. As much as it pains me to admit. He’s just the greatest qb of all time. no question.

  250. carloswlassiter says: Feb 13, 2017 6:21 PM

    onebuffalove716 says:
    Feb 6, 2017 11:17 AM

    When Atlanta took the foot off the gas I said they could regret it. They did and now this goes down as the biggest failure in Bowl history.
    ————————————————————-
    When did Atlanta “take the foot off the gas”?

    Pundits and analysts have been killing them for throwing in the 4th quarter instead of running to set up the field goal.

    That’s the opposite of taking your foot off the gas. They were too aggressive in retrospect, but felt they had to be to win the game.

  251. chubaoyolu says: Mar 1, 2017 4:15 PM

    Tom Brady is special man… and the annoying thing is that it makes no sense. He doesn’t have swag, he isn’t the strongest, he’s as slow as a snail, doesn’t have the strongest arm. In spite of all those seeming disadvantages, the guy finds a way to win regardless of the challenges the external world poses. That is remarkable and incredibly inspiring in my opinion to be honest. You don’t have to like the guy, but man the dude deserves some serious respect. #RealTalk

  252. popmafioso1 says: Mar 2, 2017 10:09 AM

    Dear Sweet Baby Jesus- stop comparing Otto Graham to Brady-The 1st four seasons of his career were not even in the NFL! Graham played QB for SIX years in the NFL and won 3 rings. You want to say Brady played in a different era? Graham played 40% of his career in a another league! The game played back then was unsophisticated, run oriented, a version of rugby, with a much shallower talent pool than today. A high school team from Texas would probably kill them today. There were no playoffs, just the title game-MUCH easier to accomplish-especially when your coach is the Father of Modern Football”-Paul Brown. Graham won consecutive titles in 52-53; in those two title games had 2 completions one year followed by 9 the next. 11 completions for two titles? Please. He also lost 3 title games in a row-did you know that? Bart Starr was NEVER in the conversation for greatest ever when the mantle was handed to Montana around the early 90’s, and rightfully so- his offense was run based. Not a knock on Starr really-he’s just not the best ever; no one said Montana was great because he played in a weak division (he did), or played for a genius coach (he did); other players were flashier/faster (Cunningham) or had better arms (Marino) or this or that; when Brady had 3 rings, he wasn’t as good as Joe because Joe had 4. Tom got 4, people said well, Joe was undefeated. Which is ridiculous. Then Brady got 5 rings by mounting a 31 unanswered points comeback, and somehow that was not due to him winning, but the Falcons losing. It’s always something. Brady has eclipsed everyone. It’s over. End of story.

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