Will T.O. snub keep Randy Moss out of HOF, too?

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The Hall of Fame voters have crafted as to receiver Terrell Owens justification for undermining his on-field performances with false narratives and anecdotal claims that haven’t been attributed to any specific teammates or coaches. So what happens in 2018, when receiver Randy Moss becomes eligible for consideration for the first time?

Both should get in. But will Moss be added to the same bench on which Owens indefinitely is sitting?

With Moss, the narratives aren’t false. He declared in 2001, “I play when I want to play.” For those who had been watching him closely, that declaration confirmed what the eyes had detected through his first three-plus NFL seasons. He’d lollygag to the line of scrimmage when the ball wasn’t coming to him, and if the ball didn’t come to him early and often, he’d often check out.

Indeed, the Moss tombstone mantra came less than a year after he checked out in one of the ugliest losses in Vikings history — a “41-to-donut” (as he called it) drubbing against the Giants in the NFC title game. Moss had two catches for 18 yards in a game that was over not long after it started.

Moss drew national criticism for leaving the field early in a 2004 game at Washington, which surely became a factor in the decision of the Vikings to unload Moss after that season. With the Raiders, Moss talked a good game on the way in (“I’m committed to excellence, and I just wanna win, baby”), but then he quickly quit on the team when the team wasn’t very good.

It got so bad that, after two years in Oakland the Raiders essentially gave him away to the Patriots, where Moss immediately proved the “I play when I want to play” adage by deciding he wanted to play each and every week — and Moss had one of the finest seasons for any player at any position in NFL history.

But he’d last fewer than three more years with the Patriots, who abruptly traded him after he publicly questioned his future with the team. The Vikings coughed up a third-round pick to bring Moss home during a 2010 season that still could have gone either way, one year after nearly getting to the Super Bowl. Once again, he said all the right things on the way in. Not long after that, he was on the way out.

Via Jeff Pearlman’s Brett Favre bio Gunslinger, Favre begged the Vikings to trade for Moss. But Favre changed his tune quickly after Moss notoriously complained loudly in the locker room about a catered meal that he wouldn’t “feed to his dog.”

The problems went deeper than canine cuisine. Moss quickly decided that he didn’t like coach Brad Childress (join the club), and Moss opted to do something about it. From Gunslinger: “One day, when Vikings owner Zygi Wilf walked through the locker room, Moss looked at him and hissed, ‘You need to get rid of the f–king coach.’ Wilf was horrified. . . . ‘Randy destroyed our team,’ said one Viking. ‘He just destroyed us.'”

The Vikings eventually dumped Moss one day after a loss to the Patriots that was capped by Moss openly praising his former teammates and coaches in New England. His return to Minnesota lasted four games.

The cabal of voters who have put T.O. on time out have been pushing the notion that “teams couldn’t wait to get rid” of Owens. That shoe, however, fits the foot of Randy Moss much better.

The Vikings traded Moss in his prime after seven years with the team; Owens left the 49ers as a free agent after eight. The Raiders bought Moss high and sold him low, unloading a player who had seemed to be fading after two year — primarily because he’d been loafing.

That Patriots sparked a Moss renaissance, until he became concerned in the final year of a three-year, $27 million contract that he wouldn’t be getting another one. So it was farewell to Moss in New England, and then after just a few weeks it was farewell again to Moss in Minnesota.

He finished that season as largely a bystander in Tennessee, catching six passes for 80 yards in eight games. Moss sort of retired in 2011 (no one seriously pursued him), and then he came back in 2012 for one last year, with the 49ers.

It was hardly vintage Moss — he caught 28 passes for 434 yards and three touchdowns — but it helped soften some of the hard, awkward edges of the Moss misadventures from 2010.

With all those things being said, Moss deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame. But if Owens is going to be kept out for the things he did between the edge of the playing field and the parking lot, Moss should be, too.

As one voter told me several years ago, Owens is far more worthy than Moss because Owens never quit on any of his teams. Even during T.O.’s disastrous 2005 season in Philly, he generated 763 receiving yards and six touchdowns in only seven games. In 2006 with the Raiders, Moss played in 13 games but accounted for only 553 receiving yards and three touchdowns.

While these non-statistical factors shouldn’t be irrelevant to the consideration of a player’s candidacy for Canton, it should take a lot more than what either guy did away from the field to overcome the best two career receiving performances for anyone not named Jerry Rice. Both should get in the Hall of Fame. By slamming the brakes on Owens, however, the voters have now put themselves in an even tougher spot with Moss.

136 responses to “Will T.O. snub keep Randy Moss out of HOF, too?

  1. Hopefully, just another overrated WR diva.
    I remember in 2010 when coach Belichick cut him everyone said our season was over we still went 14 and 2 and the team actually improved. 🙂

  2. If Moss doesnt get in than the HOF vetting process is bogus.
    Enough already with the stuff outside of the white lines…..when he was ON the field he was an all-time great at his position. It needs to be about what these guys did on the actual playing field.

  3. Ray Lewis was guilty of obstruction of justice in a case that resulted in two men being stabbed. That’s worse than not being able to get along with teammates.

  4. Moss was by far the most dynamic talent the receiver position has ever seen. He was skewered by the media
    that never really took the time and effort to truly understand
    the man. There are already at least 2 murderers in the HOF. Give me a break, Moss is first ballot.

  5. It should, TO and Moss are peers (pick one, I don’t care, they should both be in the HOF). If TO being annoying is enough to keep him out, what is quitting on a Team and disappearing for several years?

  6. The public saw more of Owens ripping team mates and complaining than it saw of Moss.

    Moss will have an easier time getting in.

    Dont say nasty stuff in front of thr camera.

  7. Randy Moss IMO is the greatest WR ever(yes, better than Rice. Rice had it easier when you have Montana for your career!)

    Once Moss finally got a QB, in his first year he broke the all time WR touchdown record. I’ve seen him make more leaping one handed catches in double and triple coverage. In his prime he was the best to ever play the game at his position…and he did it without stick-em on his gloves.

    Imagine if he went to New England instead of Minnesota to start his career……

    TO is great, no doubt, but he’s no Rice and definitely no Moss.

  8. I don’t understand the criteria at all. What I can say is that the Owens news was always about what happened inside of the team.. things votes nor fans were privy to. Even ff Owen’s touchdown dance antics might be considered over the top, you’d be lying to say that you weren’t entertained! And he scored touchdowns… in bunches! For me; what separates Moss and Owens is that Moss not only had complete, utter and vile contempt for folks inside of the locker room and front office; he consistently treated the media and thus the fans (as the media is the player proxy to the fans) like gutter garbage! From mooning us, to vile language or/and belligerent behavior like giving one-word answers over and over again! This is why it’s so offensive that ESPN would then hire him and think that any of us would give a damn about anything that he had to say at this juncture when he’s getting a check. Owens might be emotional, but Moss’s consistently belligerent behavior should not only NOT be rewarded with a TV contract where he does a choir boy act while the checks come, but he should be pushed the the back of Hall of Fame consideration until we’re pushing into the next millennium! He earned that. Shame on any “news” outlet for paying him money and pushing him down our throats after his reprehensible and vile career record of treating fans and media like dog poop under his shoes!

  9. As long as they eventually get in what’s the problem with giving a couple of notorious ‘me’ guys a well earned b slap? I doubt it will deter any of the current divas but if it does slow just one of them down from engaging in some dbag behavior that’s not a bad thing.

  10. TO was MUCH worse than Moss

    and a players legacy includes whether or not they were a good teammate / not a huge embarrassment and their HOF eligibility should depend on it

  11. He destroyed the Vikings from within. Everyone but Viking fans suspected the same. Viking fans still worship this guy and worse; Peterson.

    That’s the mentality you’re battling when dealing with Viking fans.

    They’ll come back with insults, putdowns, and anonymous fat-shaming on-line bully tactics directed at the Packers and Packer fans. When you consider what I’ve described above, you’ll quickly understand…….that’s all they have. That’s the only ammunition they can muster to do battle with.

  12. While Moss was clearly an “all-about-me” guy all the time it was accepted for awhile. He didn’t write the Diva Wide Receivers Handbook (but he should get co-author credits). What will never leave me is the “walking off the field” incident in D.C. And that behavior does NOT scream all-time great. Did he have remarkable seasons? Yes. Athletically gifted? Yes. All time great? Not in my book. I’ll take a grinder like Jerry Rice EVERY day of the week.
    Let the Senior Committee elect him…

  13. With those idiot voters, it wouldn’t shock me.
    But those same dopes will vote Roethlisberger in on his first chance… what a good guy he was!!!!!!

  14. Well…. I actually despised both of these guys in their day (probably still do), and I’m not a fan of voting in ANY player, coach or owner that is all about ME.
    I’ve come to one conclusion though, Me.O. was more of a team player than Moss.

  15. Randy Moss was on another level than TO when he wanted to be. He was one of the greatest talents I have ever seen.

    Key woRd obviously is when he wanted to be

  16. Can we PLEASE stop the hand-wringing and whining over T.O’s exclusion from the Hall? Sometimes it just takes a while. Look at the wideout category….Cris Carter, Andre’ Reed, Michael Irvin, etc. They ALL had to wait a few years for their time. Owens is gonna get in, so please stop the angst about his selection. Talk about “fake news”.

  17. I must have missed the daily interviews with Moss from his driveway as he did sit-ups while boycotting his team during training camp.

    Moss changed the game, those who don’t know didn’t get the privilege to see it first hand every Sunday.

    Oh, and I love the unnamed Viking source. Last I heard Favre, who also despised Childress, loved playing with him and everyone else did too. The entire team turned on Childo after cutting Moss and he was fired a few weeks later.

  18. Geeze its not like TO won’t get in sometime during the coming years. Just because it didn’t happen the first couple opportunities doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

    Oh the horror. Oh the injustice.

  19. harrisonhits2 says:
    Feb 12, 2017 11:23 AM
    Geeze its not like TO won’t get in sometime during the coming years. Just because it didn’t happen the first couple opportunities doesn’t mean it won’t happen.

    Oh the horror. Oh the injustice.
    ————————————————–
    If the voters aren’t voting for him solely because of his diva ways, then he might not get in. And, it’s better to discuss this now than in the future after a HOF-worthy player gets snubbed completely for ego problems and nothing else, whether that is him or someone else.

  20. There’s a great unscripted photo of him giving a hug to Brady’s mom after the SB. He’s still fondly remembered by the folks on the best team he played on, which I think is worth something.

  21. The Hall of Fame is a bad joke. It should be called the Madden/EA Sports Hall of Meaningless Stats. None of these receivers – piling up catches and yards under the rules of this video game era when no one can touch them, but they can push off with impunity – deserves consideration for any real Hall of Fame.

    tylawspick6 mentioned that Cliff Branch should go in before Moss – he’s right. There is a nearly endless list of receivers from the pre-video game rules era who would have easily produced Moss/TO type numbers – especially if the great quarterbacks of that era could have played under these don’t-touch-Brady rules, too.

    Plus, I thought Moss was already in the Hall of Fame. Isn’t cris carter’s bust just a full-size Randy Moss cradling a tiny cris carter?

  22. mrkbuilders says:
    Randy Moss IMO is the greatest WR ever(yes, better than Rice. Rice had it easier when you have Montana for your career!)
    *********************************
    Montana was an undersized 3rd round draft choice with a sub-average arm. I’d argue that the presence of incredible talents Rice, Craig, Taylor and others made Montana a better QB, not the other way around. NFW that Moss was a better WR than Rice. None.

  23. Both of these numbers are insane, like crazy good, second to only ONE other WR in the history of the sport in many critical categories. It’s the Hall of Fame, not the Lady Bing trophy or some Good Samaritan award. These HOF voters need to get off their high horses and vote these two in when given the chance.

    They were me first and had attitudes….so what. They caught a lot of passes and touchdowns and that’s what they got paid to do most.

    Like most Hall of Fame voting in American major sports, they are run by old school, naughty,lying and jealous writers and such.

  24. All the “be nice to receivers, don’t touch the QBs” rules are thanks to the Colts whining and the league’s efforts to explain Peyton’s annual meltdown in Foxborough. Nice try, though.

    p.s. Not really.

  25. “I vote when I want to vote.”

    yes good to see you’ve made it about yourself and not the player.

  26. Both should get in, but the voters for some reason value being a diva as worse than being a criminal. Especially if Marvin Harrison got in the Hall of Fame and Ray Lewis likely will.

  27. The difference between Moss and Owens you ask?? One is employed by a network to be on tv and talk football, the other just can’t seem to shut up.

  28. The only false narrative I’ve seen is the one put forward here that he was kept out because voters perceived that “teams couldn’t wait to get rid of him”. The reality of the situation is that he wasn’t voted in because the voters perceived him as being a bad person and a bad teammate.
    That narrative is very true as many people can attest to.

  29. No comparison. Moss is the greatest WR of all time, including Jerry Rice, and he was a baller on Sunday. Owens was a different cat altogether. But I don’t care who gets in and who stays out. When my kids ask me if a guy is a HOFer, I tell them yes or no, regardless of who is actually in the HOF. It’s the same way with baseball. I feel like I know much more about the sports than the people who actually vote. There’s too much B.S. involved in the actual voting for me to get too carried away. No HOF is legit unless guys like Pete Rose and Barry Bonds are included. It actually tarnishes the HOF by keeping certain guys out. Someone needs to show me some actual video footage of a WT who played the game better than Randy Moss. Lance Alworth is the closest thing.

  30. Voters aren’t supposed to consider whether a player is a “bad person” as long as he’s productive on the field. And certainly we’ve seen plenty of examples of players who were inducted despite dubious reputations (Kenny Stabler is only the most recent example).

    Was either Moss or TO a “bad teammate”? Seems to me both were incredibly productive. Did Moss “destroy” the Vikings by ripping Childress? Well, he said something that needed to be said, as far as I can tell. Moss was well-liked by his teammates wherever he went. Well, except for Oakland. And while I wouldn’t say that the complaint about him quitting on plays was false, it’s not like it’s a test where we have a fixed control. Moss was constantly put under scrutiny that other WRs (other than TO and Chad Johnson) didn’t have to endure.

    But if you watched him play, at his peak, Moss was the most athletically gifted WR in the history of the NFL. I’m not saying he was the best, since Jerry Rice worked 10 times as hard as he did. But certainly Moss is very close to the best.

    I count TO just a notch below, but I don’t see how voters can simply ignore his career numbers just because they don’t like that guy. Again: Marvin Harrison likely killed a guy. Voters didn’t seem to care about that.

  31. TO pouted when he didn’t get the ball, and criticized teammates (who probably deserved it)

    Moss tried to run over a cop.

  32. If Moss does not get in right away, then no WR can ever get in on their first year of eligibility.
    His raw numbers can really only be compared to Rice.
    But beyond statistics, the man was a singular beast.
    During most of his career, Moss was the most terrifying offensive player in the NFL.
    On any play he could out run and/or out-jump the defense and take it to the house.
    Since he retired the only player that comes close to generating the same kind of fear on the opposition is Gronkowski. But with Gronk, you can expect that on some plays he will stay behind and block.
    With Moss, the terror of getting burned on the next play was very real.
    Yeah, he was a diva. But for some reason this is a problem that that afflicts just about every high-profile wide receiver.
    Rice might have been a better teammate, but man, can he be insufferable during interviews. If you don’t believe he was Jesus in cleats, just ask him.
    He has the numbers. He was a human-highlight film. He was the one guy on offense that every team feared. Vote Moss in on first try, or just declare yourself a mentally incompetent ward of the state.

  33. stellarperformance says:
    Feb 12, 2017 11:10 AM
    He destroyed the Vikings from within. Everyone but Viking fans suspected the same. Viking fans still worship this guy and worse; Peterson.

    That’s the mentality you’re battling when dealing with Viking fans.

    They’ll come back with insults, putdowns, and anonymous fat-shaming on-line bully tactics directed at the Packers and Packer fans. When you consider what I’ve described above, you’ll quickly understand…….that’s all they have. That’s the only ammunition they can muster to do battle with.
    ———————–
    Bravo!
    Couldn’t have said it better.
    This is exactly why their fan base is treated with utter disdain by the rest of the NFL.

  34. I play when I wanna play”. That’s probably one of the most out of context quotes in the history of sports. Sid Hartman a sports columnist for the Minneapolis Star & Tribune once asked Moss: “Does Cris Carter get you pumped up to play games?”

    To which Moss answered: “No, I play when I wanna play…nobody gets Randy Moss pumped up but Randy Moss”. The rest as they say is history.

  35. um, no! the writers recognize football iq and while moss was deemed a malcontent he was a little more subtle about it. the biggest hiccup in moss’ career was the raiders, and to be honest, he wasnt the only nfl vet that thought the raiders structure sucked back in 04 05 06. his football iq is off the charts. hes gonna be voted in first ballot.

  36. TO and Moss both belong in HOF. Moss more so. He has season record for TD catches geez and was the best deep threat in game. Made any QB look like a HOF…Culpepper, Cunningham, even Jeff George looked great with Moss as WR.

  37. Both are HOF players…. But if you are going to use personality to determine eligibility Moss should be sitting a helluva lot longer. TO always gave 110%

  38. I guess now that we’re judging people by the “content of their character” rather than the “color of their skin,” that’s not good enough either.

  39. The Voters should be voting on the totality of careers.
    That includes the overall performance as complete ‘football players’
    and not simply on gaudy numbers garnered during select seasons
    when the player was in a good frame of mind enough ‘to want to play’.

    Why reward God-given talent and athleticism, when it was only rarely
    or selectively exhibited on the field, due to a player’s bad behavior?
    If a player’s behavior detracts from his play, and said behavior is caustic
    and does harm to their team, should they not be held accountable?

    Delaying their induction into the HOF is an appropriate way
    of saying, as good as they were, there were times where
    their selfish and boorish behavior, cancelled out a big portion
    of their greatness. Thus diminishing their claim for immediate and
    celebrated induction amongst the greats of the game.

    TO and Moss were the biggest examples of me-first players
    who brought unwanted drama, divisive attitudes, questionable effort
    and ultimately did damage to their teams. Their greatness is tarnished.

    Make them wait.

  40. The New England situation was much less sinister than Florio makes it out to be.

    Moss had a back injury while at N.E. and his performance went downhill afterwards. He wasn’t getting a new contract because he was kind of one-dimensional, and by that time no longer stood out in that dimension. That’s as good as death to Belichick.
    Belichick still speaks highly of Moss’s professionalism and work ethic as a Patriot. Not just meaningless platitudes, but actual praise. He doesn’t bother with that for players who leave under a cloud.

  41. The ultimate snub has been to Tom Flores–winner of 2 Super Bowls, four rings as player and head and assistant coach. Still holds a Raider passing record. What more do they want?

  42. David Beckham still isn’t in the English Premier League’s Hall of Fame – because neither they, nor English Rugby Football Union (nor cricket for that matter) have ever bothered with such nonsense.

  43. Loved Moss, but I can’t believe people (probably Pats homers…knowing this site) are saying that Moss was far more talented than TO. I watched TO hang 222 yards on the Steelers at 36 years old. The guy was a load and brought it on every down…unlike Moss. And yes, Moss had as many locker room questions as TO. People are having selective memories, apparently. They both belong in the HOF. Only on field accomplishments should be considered. None of these guys are saints.

  44. Not sure if this was mentioned in the above comments but there was another beautiful Moss moment in MN. When he was driving in Minneapolis years ago a meter maid saw him commit a minor traffic violation. Moss was in the car & started to drive into her as she was writing the ticket. Refused to stop, nearly running her over.

  45. Moss and TO should be in no questions asked. When did the NFL Hall of Fame become the Nice Guy Hall of Fame? The two were STUDS on the field. That’s all that matters.

  46. titimium says:
    Feb 12, 2017 2:25 PM
    Not sure if this was mentioned in the above comments but there was another beautiful Moss moment in MN. When he was driving in Minneapolis years ago a meter maid saw him commit a minor traffic violation. Moss was in the car & started to drive into her as she was writing the ticket. Refused to stop, nearly running her over.

    nearly only counts in horseshoes

  47. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO POST:
    mann44 says:
    Feb 12, 2017 12:51 PM
    I play when I wanna play”. That’s probably one of the most out of context quotes in the history of sports. Sid Hartman a sports columnist for the Minneapolis Star & Tribune once asked Moss: “Does Cris Carter get you pumped up to play games?”

    To which Moss answered: “No, I play when I wanna play…nobody gets Randy Moss pumped up but Randy Moss”. The rest as they say is history.

    Think what you want of him for other things but
    STOP TAKING THIS OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!

  48. I’ll snub them both and put in Isaac Bruce. His numbers and attitude were great and he made his biggest catch in the biggest game of his career.

  49. And the same morons will trip over each other to enshrine a guy who plead guilty to obstructing a murder investigation.

  50. Moss was a better player than Owens, pure and simple. Owens was as destructive a force in his own locker room as he was a positive force on the gridiron.
    Owens put up great stats which is how come fantasy leaguers love him. Of course fantasy leaguers love to comment on message boards.

  51. T.O. should have been a 1st balloter and it is a joke that he wasn’t. But Moss was superior to him and needs to be in on the 1st ballot if the HOF is to maintain any credibility, although it might be too late for that. That Terrel Davis made it in is an absolute joke, that he made it in and T.O. didn’t is a travesty. That we’re even questioning that Moss might not be a 1st ballot HOFer is downright criminal.

  52. I hope he will be kept out.
    Anyone who quit on plays, which he admitted to, and anyone who walked off the field while the game was still going on, is not a Hall Of Fame player in my book.

  53. The Moss “renaissance” just happened to coincide with a guy named Tom Brady throwing to him. I knew his shelf life was about 3 years before he’d become a problem, especially in New England where it’s ‘team’ above all else. If Brady had him for his whole career and Moss could have mentally kept it together, all WR receiving records would have been shattered and the Patriots might be wearing 8 rings instead of 5. Brady was busy throwing to David Givens and Jabbar Gaffney and other non-household names then unfortunately.

    Those NE years put him over the hump to get into the Hall though–no question.

  54. If a player is remembered more for their off field issues and their antics than they are for their play, why put them in the HOF. Both Moss and TO are in that category.

    It is a professional sports Hall of Fame. Neither player acted professionally during their career. Great players? Yeah, both of them. Professionals? Not at all.

  55. Moss is a first ballot hall of famer. Not any doubt about that. You can’t deny that kind of talent. Homey literally lit the league on fire his rookie season.

  56. shlort says:
    Feb 12, 2017 3:53 PM
    If a player is remembered more for their off field issues and their antics than they are for their play, why put them in the HOF. Both Moss and TO are in that category.

    It is a professional sports Hall of Fame. Neither player acted professionally during their career. Great players? Yeah, both of them. Professionals? Not at all.

    ———

    Lawrence Taylor is a criminal!!! OJ Simpson!

    Please let’s not start looking at anything other than the football they played. Oakland and Moss’ second stint in Min definitely need to be considered, but not because he tried or didn’t try. Just look at the numbers. Obviously his first run with Min and his time with the Patriots warrant induction. Similar for TO.

  57. nyneal says:
    Feb 12, 2017 3:37 PM
    I hope he will be kept out.
    Anyone who quit on plays, which he admitted to, and anyone who walked off the field while the game was still going on, is not a Hall Of Fame player in my book.

    —————

    How can so many people be looking at the HOF this way. It isn’t the Boy Scouts. It’s not an MVP award. Did you have the numbers or not. That’s it. Wins/playoff wins/titles/receptions/probowls/TDs/yards. Moss is in and TO should be too.

  58. No one is saying Manning won’t get in due to character issues and he has assaults on his record and got caught lying about getting illegal drugs. If he gets in, T.O. and Moss are a lock.

  59. Moss is a first ballot HoF. He revolutionised the receiving position. NFC Central teams started drafting taller cornerbacks and focusing their entire defensive plan on him.

    When you change the game, you are first ballot!

  60. Randy Moss was a great talent he made a lot money and is till around the game making a good buck. Unfortunately I would not vote for him to enter the hall of fame. Be happy with your money and fame its was your piss poor aditude that ultimately cost you.

    I fell the same way about MLB players like Bonds and Clemens, they were also rewarded in many ways but they made their bed now they too can lie in it.

  61. Moss would have been the greatest receiver ever if he played hard every play of every game. Plus, he didn’t have to cheat like Jerry Rice admitted doing.

  62. Moss is the GOAT receiver. Not even close. Give him Montana, Young, and Gannon his entire career and he would have averaged 22 TDs, 1800 yards, and 90 catches a season.

    Also, Moss didn’t use stick’em like somebody else did…

    And if you exlude 3 seasons with the Patriots, Moss didn’t have the defenses like somebody else did…

    And Moss didn’t have the coaches like somebody else did…

    It’s not even close. Moss is top 5 NFL player of all time. He’s right there with Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Lawrence Taylor and Jim Brown.

  63. kcchefs58 says:
    Feb 12, 2017 10:50 AM
    Ray Lewis was guilty of obstruction of justice in a case that resulted in two men being stabbed. That’s worse than not being able to get along with teammates.

    ——–

    Finally somebody called that case correctly, rather than saying he did the stabbing. Ray Lewis guilt was “not snitching.” Dumb idea cause the guy that admitted to the stabbing made a song saying he should of stabbed Ray too.

  64. Randy Moss could be great when he wanted to be great. But too often he didn’t want to be great. He was a drag on many of his teams. He wasn’t a team player and that WAS between the lines. So, if I was voting, there is no way he gets in.

  65. Have the actual voters said “I didn’t vote for him due to behavior?”

    I think it may just be that WR has a lot of people with huge numbers and the position has been well represented in the hall of fame recently so they are holding off a few years to allow other positions to be represented.

    Possibly.

  66. I’m an avid NFL fan and have been since 1971.

    The HOF means nothing to me – literally – nothing. I’ve never been there. I have no desire to go. I’m not a sentimental person, I like the game but don’t like to rehash the old days ad nauseum or watch old black and white video of Elroy Crazy Legs Hirsch.

  67. MOSS=SKOL
    All of these Cheeeeeeser brains posting are such amusing bird brains.
    I know you remember that guy #84 rookie year at Lamblow, Hahahaha, so epic, so disrespectful of him to go in their and do what he did. They even took away a 75yd TD down the sideline that night in the rain, the MOSS grew! And it never stopped ever, you couldn’t stop him in his career nor any team in the NFL.
    Cheeeeeesers are just sore we gotta another player going in!
    A TOP five player in NFL history.

  68. If you keep TO and Moss off the first ballot but let in Ray Lewis and eventually Big ben in on their first tries, the HOF needs to be done away with all together. Or impose term limits for voters so idiots like fouts don’t get to stay on there lifetime.

    Btw I think Ray and big ben are first ballot, just sauing you can’t put them in first try if they are using character issues as an excuse to keep TO and Moss out.

  69. lenthevikesfan says:
    Feb 12, 2017 10:49 AM

    They gotta let you in when you’re the best to ever play the position.
    ================================
    Pete Rose, Joe Jackson?

  70. Don’t even try to put Randy Moss in TO’s category. Randy was the most talented WR to ever play the game of football. Moss was way faster than TO. Randy’s hands were twice as good as TO’s.
    Randy Moss is a first ballot HOF player. Anyone saying otherwise has issues.

  71. I prefer my Crush to be Orange says:
    Feb 12, 2017 12:34 PM
    TO pouted when he didn’t get the ball, and criticized teammates (who probably deserved it)
    Moss tried to run over a cop
    )))))))))))))))))
    Stupid Bronco fan has an opinion without knowing the facts. Randy was going a whole 5 mph asking her to step aside. He was not trying to run over a cop.

  72. RandyinRoxbury says:
    Feb 12, 2017 10:44 AM
    Hopefully, just another overrated WR diva.
    I remember in 2010 when coach Belichick cut him…
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    A real Pats fan would know Belichick traded Moss to the Vikings for more than he gave up to acquire him from Oakland. Chipster of course remembers Belichick cutting Moss. At least he’s consistent, he’s no better with dolphins history

  73. “Hopefully, just another overrated WR diva.
    I remember in 2010 when coach Belichick cut him everyone said our season was over we still went 14 and 2 and the team actually improved. ”

    Ummm, you cut Randy Moss and had absolutely NOBODY to stretch the field against Revis and the Jets and it wound up costing them a trip to the SB as you were 1 and done vs. the Sanchized Jets. You think you had regular season success without him( which you’d have better with him), yet it was so obvious you had no one to open it up during the playoffs and you got unnecessarily bounced early, biggest gaff in Belicheck’s coaching resume, FACT.
    The NY Jets??? With Mark Sanchez??? 14-2 and bounced??? Come on dude, Pat’s win Super Bowl with Moss.

  74. Look, I’m a huge Viking fan and huge Moss fan. He was one of those rare guys who was just better than everyone else. It is scary to think about what he could have done had he applied himself on every down, whether it be in MN, OAK, NE or elsewhere.

    He was truly that good. Different than anything we’ve seen before and quite frankly anything we’ve seen since.

    But there’s a problem. He didn’t play every down. And it was easy to read what was going to happen based on Randy.

    I’ll give anyone whom has access to archived Vikes games this challenge- watch every play of Moss’ MN career. Watch his fee when he lines up- close together, run. Farther apart (traditional receiver “ready” stance), pass.

    If you aren’t familiar, watch. I bet you’ll be higher than 80% right without any further instruction.

    It got better in NE, but it was still there. You have to wonder how the “I play when I want to play ultimately affected Randy’s teams”.

  75. Moss is a classless jerk, a me-first teammate and an inconsistent WR over the years. Its hard to separate his classlessness from his Viking career, most of his teammates were also of dubious character so the 41-0 NFC Championship game loss, the worst beat down in some 40 years, demonstrates their lack of character.

    Despite this article’s attempt to capture all his low moments, the writer still left off him squirting a referee with a water bottle and his arrest for running over a meter maid trying to give him a ticket. All in all, he was a horrible human being so if the HOF looks the other way, you can’t blame them for trying to keep the HOF classy.

  76. Randy Moss should flap in the wind for several years over his HOF candidacy too. A great talent at WR, but he quit on several teams.

  77. HOF nominees are all being evaluated as being the best at their positions– that’s why they are getting a vote in the first place. But we can’t forget when a player’s TEAM ATTITUDE interrupts the team’s performance that has to be accounted for. Moss and Owens were as destructive as they were productive.

    With the limited amount of ballots for the HOF, I’m sure votes lean towards TEAM FIRST players, not LOOK AT ME/PAY ME guys. I’d rather see Isaac Bruce, Tony Gonzalez, and Larry Fitzgerald get in before the aforementioned prima donnas.

  78. One thing about Moss, he still seems to have a great relationship with the Patriots, one team wanting to get rid of him. He is always a guest at training camp. the Vikings also took him back. Keeping him out of the hall of fame would be insane. he’s a great analyst, as well.

  79. Randy Moss caught deep balls and sideline get out of bounds so you don’t get hit passes. Also didn’t do anything in Oakland, 2nd stint with Vikings, or Titans.

    T.O. on the other hand caught deep balls, over the middle, sideline, digs, screens, crosses, slants, fades, everything and even blocked downfield. Moss never blocked. And last, Owens was productive on every team he played for. 49ers, Eagles, Dallas, Buffalo, Bengals all got production out of T.O.

    Owens never quit on his team and walked off the field before the game was done either. Never saw Moss play with a broken leg…..

    If you take all that into consideration, its really not even close……

  80. I had an employee who would only work when she felt like it and was great when she did but couldn’t be counted on when you needed her. Should she have been rewarded?

  81. The Hall of Fame needs to incorporate off field antics as well as on field performance. A player is looked at by millions of young impressionable kids, as well as millions of older impressionable adults. The HOF needs to look at the total package for inclusion into the HOF. On field, off field, TMZ videos, and the police blotter all tell about the man and his status. Was he a great receiver? Sure, but as far as a great team mate? Only when he wanted to be. That is not HOF material.

  82. Moss is a first ballot hall of famer. He may not be the greatest of all-time because he didn’t have the career longevity/consistency of someone like Rice.

    But Randy Moss in his prime was the best wide receiver to ever play the game period and there is no close second.

  83. But Randy Moss in his prime was the best wide receiver to ever play the game period and there is no close second.
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    Jerry Rice scored 22tds in a 12 game season.

    Rice led the League in receiving tds and yardage 6 times, and scored more touchdowns than any other player in NFL history.

    Moss isn’t a close second in this contest.

    Jerry Rice is arguably the greatest football player ever to play in this League.

  84. Sterling Sharpe was better than both of these guys.
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    Thanks to Terrell Davis, Sharpe now has an EXCELLENT case.

    .. at the VERY least, the Veterans Committee should put him in now.

    Rice-like numbers before the neck injury.

  85. stellarperformance says:
    Feb 12, 2017 11:10 AM
    He destroyed the Vikings from within. Everyone but Viking fans suspected the same. Viking fans still worship this guy and worse; Peterson.

    That’s the mentality you’re battling when dealing with Viking fans.

    They’ll come back with insults, putdowns, and anonymous fat-shaming on-line bully tactics directed at the Packers and Packer fans. When you consider what I’ve described above, you’ll quickly understand…….that’s all they have. That’s the only ammunition they can muster to do battle with

    ****
    You’re absolutely right. Packer fans haven’t done any of the above mentioned. ever… Or made jokes about the 35W bridge collapse, or a construction workers tragic accident at the new stadium, or Korey Stringer’s death. Not only are Packer fans elite football minds because they cheer for a football team, and tally championships 90+ years ago, but they also are morally superior.

  86. pauldeba says:
    Feb 13, 2017 11:02 AM

    One thing about Moss, he still seems to have a great relationship with the Patriots, one team wanting to get rid of him. He is always a guest at training camp. the Vikings also took him back. Keeping him out of the hall of fame would be insane. he’s a great analyst, as well.

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    saints12013 says:
    Feb 13, 2017 11:15 AM

    Randy Moss caught deep balls and sideline get out of bounds so you don’t get hit passes. Also didn’t do anything in Oakland, 2nd stint with Vikings, or Titans.

    T.O. on the other hand caught deep balls, over the middle, sideline, digs, screens, crosses, slants, fades, everything and even blocked downfield. Moss never blocked. And last, Owens was productive on every team he played for. 49ers, Eagles, Dallas, Buffalo, Bengals all got production out of T.O.

    Owens never quit on his team and walked off the field before the game was done either. Never saw Moss play with a broken leg…..

    If you take all that into consideration, its really not even close……
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    Eagles 2005 season TO quit and the eagles sent him home. Moss in 2004 played over half the year on the torn hamstring and still pulled in 13 TDS

  87. Ok, I remember T.O. getting sent home, but that was because he was throwing his teammates under the bus (McNabb and Hugh Douglas) “conduct detrimental” is I believe what they called it.

    And I usually have a pretty good memory, but I don’t seem to remember a torn hamstring for Moss. I’m far from a Dr. but a broken leg sounds a little worse than a hamstring issue.

    Not too sure how any of those arguments suggest Moss was a better or more productive player than Owens ?

  88. saints12013 says:
    Feb 14, 2017 5:41 PM

    Ok, I remember T.O. getting sent home, but that was because he was throwing his teammates under the bus (McNabb and Hugh Douglas) “conduct detrimental” is I believe what they called it.

    And I usually have a pretty good memory, but I don’t seem to remember a torn hamstring for Moss. I’m far from a Dr. but a broken leg sounds a little worse than a hamstring issue.

    Not too sure how any of those arguments suggest Moss was a better or more productive player than Owens ?
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    Hugh Douglas wasnt TO’s teammate, so you may want to refresh your memory, TO also was upset about his contract situation and that mcflabb didnt back him in getting a new contract. Additionally he was a head case who got in a shouting match and got sent him in the Preseason that year, Lastly i dont recall the eagles wheeling out TO when his leg was broken, maybe I missed that? I recall him playing in 1 super bowl game after 8 weeks where you can be shot up with whatever to get through the game. I dont really need to make an argument that Moss was better then TO, its a fact, watch any clip poll any of the national media outlits, Moss changed the game, holds numerous records, TO is HOF worthy, just not as good of a player as moss.

  89. @81tinakane

    You really don’t know much cause Douglas was a teammate of Owens on Philly

    TO played 6 weeks later in the Super Bowl, not 8

    Anybody can say Moss was better but the credibility will be there if you can tell us all why and how he was better.

  90. since we are talking about the 2005 season AGAIN…Hugh Douglas was not his team mate that year…..again Douglas was cut by the Eagles prior to the 2005 season, but was hired into the front office position of “Good-Will Ambassador” shortly after.[2]

    On November 5, 2005, Douglas was reportedly involved in an altercation with former Eagles teammate Terrell Owens, who was in the midst of a very public war of words with the team.[3] Owens was suspended by the team and was later deactivated when he refused to fully apologize for the altercation, as well as for derogatory remarks made about Eagles’ quarterback Donovan McNabb.

  91. First off, florio hate for randy is well documented. he has no credibility. Moss was better than TO. Moss changed the game. Ask any defensive player or head coach or coordinator from that era. RM will be first ballot hof. I have paypal and willing to take bets with anyone that disagree . I’m extremely confident

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