Roddy White tees off on Kyle Shanahan, again

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Former Falcons receiver Roddy White wasn’t a Falcons receiver in 2016 due in part to his failure to accept not getting the ball as much as he wanted it in the Kyle Shanahan offense. As White tells it in the aftermath of Super Bowl LI, however, White would have not wanted the ball at all when the game was on the line.

Appearing on the We Never Played The Game podcast with Jeff Schulz of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and Zach Klein of WSB TV, White teed off on Shanahan for not dialing up three straight runs once the Falcons had the ball first and 10 on the New England 22 with an eight-point lead and less than four minutes in regulation.

“I was like, ‘That’s it. Game’s over. We’re going to have a parade. I’m going to fly back to Georgia. We’re going to have fun,” White said regarding his reaction to the catch from Julio Jones that made a championship seem inevitable.

“I’m glad I wasn’t a part of that team because I probably literally would’ve fought [Shanahan],” White said.

Of course, that’s one of the reasons White wasn’t part of the team. Although fisticuffs never occurred between Shanahan and White (as far as anyone knows), White has made his views on Shanahan clear after he was released last year. White’s agent even claimed that Shanahan forced the team to choose between player and coordinator. In July, White claimed that Shanahan wasn’t truthful about White’s role during the 2015 offseason, breaking the news that White would be used only after training camp opened.

So it’s no surprise that, of all the people who could be blamed for the collapse, White has opted to blame the team’s now-former offensive coordinator.

“You destroyed a dream for a city,” White said. “It’s bigger than me. The city of Atlanta needed that championship and you had it. Arthur Blank needed that championship and he deserved to win that game, with everything he’s been through. It was finally our time to win and it just hurt me that we didn’t get it done.”

But whose fault is it, really? Everyone knew Shanahan would be leaving the team after the Super Bowl. Some (including Hall of Fame head coach Tony Dungy) would say that head coach Dan Quinn should have intervened, ordering Shanahan to deviate from the way things had been done all year and embracing situational football, taking at least three points, going up by 11, and keeping the Patriots from scoring twice in the closing minutes of the game.

79 responses to “Roddy White tees off on Kyle Shanahan, again

  1. I remember Roddy saying something about “we beat ourselves” back in 2012 after suffering their first loss to the Saints. Never has that statement been more true when applied to this Super Bowl.

  2. Shanahan was the real Super Bowl MVP for the patriots. He completely blew that game. Asinine play-calling at multiple key points in the game.

  3. The defense of the play calling that says Shanny would have had to “deviate from the way things had been done all year” is baloney. The Falcons top two RBs ran the ball 345 times during the season, and 18 times for 104 yards (a whopping 5.78 ypc average) in that Super Bowl game alone. During the regular season, the Falcons ran the ball 44% of the time; that isn’t the mark of a team that can’t and doesn’t run. Running the ball in a situation where you are supposed to run wouldn’t be a deviation in any way, shape, or form for the Falcons. Running the ball would have been smart. Passing in that situation was a mistake we often see in coaching: a guy who thinks he’s smart ends up outsmarting himself.

  4. Because nothing bad could have happened had they run it. They could not have fumbled like Blount did earlier in the game. They could not have gotten a holding penalty to move them back. They could not have gotten stuffed three straight times and lost 5 yards.

    The only possible outcome was a super bowl victory. Why? Because I said so.

    I heard that poop back in 2014 too.
    Did you know that NE has not allowed an individual RB to hit 90 yards in twenty-five (25!) straight games? I didn’t think you did.

  5. Not only were they passing the ball on that last drive when they were up by 8, they were also snapping it with 13-15 seconds left on the running clock. It’s like they’ve never heard of situational football before. A high school coach could have managed that game better.

  6. I remember Roddy’s career as pretty good but included many dropped balls. And that’s probably the reason he was no longer on the team. As soon as Demaryius Thomas loses a step he’ll be gone for the same reason. Unreliable. First job for a receiver is catch the ball.

  7. LOL!

    Shanahan was about to be fired last year and now he’s the trendy coach du jour?

    How does this stuff happen? This bozo left the flippin’ gameplan in his backpack at a SB event!

    I would thank Dimitrioff for putting together a good O Line and a whole host of talent around Ryan more so than Shanahan’s work as OC.

  8. Plenty of blame to go around. Shanahan should have known better. If he screwed up, Quinn should have said something. If Quinn didn’t, you would hope your MVP QB would know that you have to know pre-snap where you are going to throw the ball away if there is pressure. C’mon! Every fan knew what to do in that situation. How is it that 3 guys who dedicate their lives to the sport fluffed it up at the most critical time??!!

  9. it just hurt me that we didn’t get it done…

    Except you aren’t a part of “we” anymore. Are you even on a team?

    Don’t go away mad, just go away.

  10. “Some (including Hall of Fame head coach Tony Dungy) would say that head coach Dan Quinn should have intervened, ordering Shanahan to deviate from the way things had been done all year and embracing situational football”

    Which is exactly what Belichick would have done in that situation. Instead Quinn stood there with a stupid look on his face and let Shanahan do as he would.

    Even worse since the game he has passed the buck on the failure to Shanahan instead of taking responsibility as he should have.

  11. Like most fans I don’t follow the goings on of Falcons football so what exactly has Arthur Blank “Been through? Seems like everyone “deserves” something nowadays, how aboot you just EARN it. Will the snowflakes ever melt?

  12. Atlanta was trying to stay aggressive and no one could have predicted that their defense would melt down like it did. Had they settled for the FG and New England came back, people would say they got too conservative.

  13. Dan Quinn was with Seattle during SB 49 when they didn’t run the ball, so yeah he has to make that call. But then Shanahan should have been smart enough to no0t put Quinn in that position to start with.

    It doesn’t matter how you played all season, there’s no ‘next week’. It’s basic Clock Management 101. This was a mistake of Andy Reid proportions, by both Shanahan and Quinn.

    Of course the Falcons had plenty of opportunity to shut the Patriots down, and they couldn’t.

    Man it’s great being a Pats fan.

  14. He’s right….(for once), but the reality is White is a bitter former player, who is happy to bash Shanahan for the play calling at that point in the game, and wouldn’t have given him any credit had they won.

  15. Atlanta lost because the Deflator had lost so much weight that he attained invisibility. Then he walked into the bar Shanahan was at and swiped the Falcons playbook, ran to a Kinkos and copied it and then put it back all in about 90 seconds.

    Ironically enough, the same amount of time it took him to deflate the Pats balls prior to the famous AFCCG.

    Man, this guy is good.

  16. Is shanahan really the problem here??? At some point the head coach needs to get on the mic and tell his OC to run the damn ball. You’d think shanahan is smart enough to do the math in his head and run the ball on his own, but even if he isn’t smart enough to do that, Dan Quinn is the guy who needs to make sure he keeps the ball on the ground to keep the clock running.

  17. Roddy is right about the play calling, but his release was his own fault. His production was diminishing, and after watching the Falcons on Hard Knocks his last year, it appeared Roddy had gone the way of Chad Johnson, thinking it was more important to clown around and entertain, rather than working hard.

  18. I love how NFL MVP Matt Ryan is asking the sideline if the play is to the left or to the right in the 4th quarter of a Super Bowl. Meanwhile on the other side of the field, NFL legend Tom Brady, who apparently wasn’t good enough to be MVP, knows the offense so well he tweaks the play at the line of scrimmage pre snap on every play to maximize the match up advantage. Lmfao. Matt Ryan is in the same level of “elite” that you’ll find Joe Flacco

  19. The only thing bigger than that collapse is Roddy’s mouth. If Richard Sherman was a receiver, he’d be Roddy White.

  20. Roddy White my buddy needs a receivers coach for his pee wee team. IF they make it to the championship…Do Not screw it up…People will come back to this!

  21. “davexucc says:
    Feb 15, 2017 8:57 AM
    Atlanta was trying to stay aggressive and no one could have predicted that their defense would melt down like it did. Had they settled for the FG and New England came back, people would say they got too conservative.”

    Only way the pats come back if the Falcons kick a field goal is scoring 11 points in four mins. No one would have said that it wasnt the fault of trying to score a td there (since with 4 mins up its much, much, bigger difference being up 11 then 15).

  22. lets throw some questions at Ryan. Any QB who has the stability he has, (knows he wont be released), goes against the coach’s call. Gets in the huddle and calls two more protect the ball run into the pile plays. Then waits until the play clock says 1 to snap the ball.

  23. I’m beginning to think belichick isn’t the smartest coach. He wins because he’s the least dumbest.

  24. Geez Roddy sounds like sour grapes. You got older got hurt and became less effective. It has happens to every player.

    All this blame the play calling how about the players take some responsibility. How about the defense get a stop? How about the defense stop one of the two 2PT conversions play. They get a stop on one of those it’s game over. Matt Ryan was the MVP, all pro. Best player on the team. How about he take some blame. How about devonta freeman take some blame for whiffing on the block that got Ryan sacked and fumble.

    This hardly all falls on shanahan. No one had a problem with play calling until that set of downs. And if he scores a passing touchdown it ices the game and he is a genius.

  25. We have to fault DQ as well. What happen with Seattle not running the ball on the goal line caused Seattle a SB win.

    Also Matt should have the audible the call. One run and Mr Automatic Matt Bryant FG. Game over. No I can’t blame Roddy for his voice.

  26. Yeah I’m sure the 40 min TOP, 93 offensive plays, the 37 first downs and scores on the Pats last 5 possessions against that defense had nothing to do with their loss.

  27. He’s right.

    No guarantee of winning of course – things can always go wrong. But three runs and a field goal attempt was a no-brainer with 4 minutes to go.

    Worse play calling than the Seahawks at the one. I didn’t like that call either, but it could be logically justified for all kinds of reasons whether I liked it or not.

    This one… not so much. Boneheaded.

  28. Rule #1 when playing the Patriots: Don’t beat yourself.

    Awful play calls down the stretch by Shanahan and Quin with the game all but won.
    Penalties.
    Missed block by Freeman.
    Poor decisions by Matt Ryan.

  29. Some of you are as dumb as shanahan. Run the ball, run the clock, rest the defense and the pats would have had less opportunities to do damage. Do any of you watch football?

  30. …Dan Quinns fault plain and simple! He’s the head coach and should have intervined. Every arm chair QB knows you run, run, run, and then send in your PRO BOWL kicker!..Matt Byrant would have drilled that kick no matter what part of the field it was on..After 16 years HE WANTED A RING!!

  31. If you’d tried to run the ball you would have fumbled or botched a snap. As I said for weeks prior, the Falcons are chokers and there is no way Brady loses a game he dedicated to his ailing mother that also will probably get Goodell fired. Not happening.

  32. I think the Shanahan blame is misplaced.
    The responsibility should fall squarely on Dan Quinn; he was the head coach and should have been instructing Shanahan to make it the top priority to get a score on that possession. 3 pts would have almost certainly won the game.
    The aftermath of the Super Bowl does not bode well for Atlanta. They lost their offensive coordinator and replaced him with a guy that is going to introduce a completely different system.
    And they fired their defensive coaches, so they will most likely have to start from scratch there too.
    So a big challenge for Dan Quinn. His in-game management was proved to be awful. We’ll see if he is capable of putting the pieces together on a team that could have/should have won the Super Bowl.

  33. The Seattle loss and the Atlanta loss are two completely different situations.

    Seattle lost on one blown play.

    Atlanta lost by going brain dead for a quarter and a half. There was absolutely no attempt by Atlanta to react to what was going on right in front of their eyes.

  34. I enjoy going back and reading what was said in the week prior to a game being played. Especially when it’s Belichick.
    On the Jan 24th a big deal was made about Belichick’s assessment of the Falcons’ speed. They are very fast. 10 guys get to the ball on defense. The offence is explosive.
    And same day we hear Patricia talking about how Jones can do it all. And how the chemistry between Jones and Ryan was incredible. How Jones can go vertical like no one else.
    All truthfully stated.

    But I can’t help but wonder if it wasn’t also sowing seeds. Cause you rarely hear Belichick speaking so openly and specifically about an opponent’s strength. And you rarely hear Patricia speak at all.

    Were they purposefully making these statements to ensure the Falcons didn’t deviate from those plans. Knowing if they run and swarm, they will get tired. And the Pats will wear them out. If they need a big play, they can always count on Jones. Never mind running the ball and kicking a field goal. Go for the touchdown with Jones.
    Interesting to think about.

  35. Sure Shanahan screwed up and let his ego take over, but didn’t the Atlanta defense allow the Patriots to score on like 5 consecutive possessions?

  36. Folks, sure a comeback like that requires help from the other team, luck, breaks, etc. However, let’s not minimize what we saw Tom Brady do. Even if you are a Patriot hater, if you know football, you can still appreciate what we all have been witnessing with this guy. As for Roddy White – he’s just making it harder for himself to find another NFL job.

  37. Hindsight is 20-20. Shanahan is a young coach, and he got a painful lesson in situational football. My guess is that he’ll learn from it. I can remember Bill Walsh making similar bad calls early in his career, and later talking about how he learned from them. I’ll bet Belichick made some balls calls as the coach in Cleveland.

  38. Amazing the number of geniuses that want to discount what Atlanta did that got them there. A FG would not necessarily have won the game, the Pats were moving the ball at will by that point against a gassed. Quinn/Shanahan wanted the kill shot

  39. “Everybody is an expert AFTER the game.”

    I would bet 99% of fans knew they should run inside every down, then try a FG, on that drive. It doesn’t really matter if NE is expecting it. Falcons were on the 22. Three no-gains would be fine. The sweep lost yards, then they got even stupider by calling passes.

    I think the frustration for fans comes because coaches and players are paid millions for this and everyday fans seem to know the game better in situations like these.

  40. I think the frustration for fans comes because coaches and players are paid millions for this and everyday fans seem to know the game better in situations like these.

    ——

    While I agree, a coach isn’t sitting on the couch, drinking a brewski with a superimposed clock in the corner of their vision with a birds eye view of the field. They’re trying to actually manage the game, talk to players, formulate adjustments, call plays, etc. They’re not really just standing there staring at the field like a fan is.

  41. redskins1962 says:
    Feb 15, 2017 11:51 AM

    Trust me, if Atlanta had gotten all conservative, and lost, KS would have been blasted for not doing what got him there. Everybody is an expert AFTER the game.
    ——————-

    The point is that they didn’t need to go all conservative, but they needed to go a little conservative.

    You can’t just stand around and watch while the Patriots score 31 unanswered points. I know it was an awe inspiring and record setting performance and all, but come on.

  42. Its easy to call out the plays that didnt work, after they didnt work. For those of you saying that the Falcons should have ran more… Up until that Ryan Sack, the Falcons ran 10 times for 17 yards. It wasnt working. The only reason they were in position to score that FG, were the 2 pass plays for 66 yards.

    They ran it on first down for -1 yards. Its not Shanahans fault that Ryan took a sack for -12 yards. A 52 yard FG is not a given so they are not going to run on 3rd and 23. Its not Shanahans fault that Matthews got called for Holding on the next play.

  43. What if they ran it 3 times after the 2 pass plays for 66 yards, and the kicker misses. Then people would pile on Shanahan for running it, when it wasnt working and the Falcons were moving at will through the air.

    What if they ran it and fumbled… would that have been Shanahans Fault for running 2 run plays when running wasnt working in the second half and Ryan was moving the team down the field?

    Its easy to call out plays that fail, after the fact. IMO The Patriots were taking that game no matter what was called.

  44. Kenmaster:

    You’re missing the point by a mile. We’re not calling it out because it failed – we’re calling it out because it never should have been called at all. Situationally, it made zero – absolute zero – sense to throw there once Jones had gotten you into virtual chip shot field goal territory to eat some more clock and probably go up by 11.

    Everyone understands that three runs and a kick did not guarantee a win.

    The point is that if it failed, we wouldn’t be all over Shannahan and company for idiotic play calling. We’d be saying “them’s the breaks.”

  45. this team will not have recovered from the superbowl by the start of the season and will go 6-10 this year, they will be the carolina panthers of the 2017 season.

  46. A running game that is averaging nearly SIX yards per carry is not “going conservative.” It’s not like Freeman and Coleman are plodders having a poor game like Blount was. They were tearing up yardage all game long. “They didn’t want to change what got them there.” Really? Because Freeman and Coleman were a HUGE part of what got them there.

  47. @TheDPR says:
    “A running game that is averaging nearly SIX yards per carry is not “going conservative.” It’s not like Freeman and Coleman are plodders having a poor game like Blount was. They were tearing up yardage all game long. ”

    Again, look up the second half. They ran 10 times for 17 yards by the time Ryan took the terrible sack.

  48. Dont you just hate these cats who say they woulda stepped to him, IF THEY WERE THERE….yea and blah blah blah….yea says the tough guy miles away.

  49. Blame falls on Shanahan for his ineffective playcalling (moreso his utter refusal to run the clock-even if NE is selling out on the run, which they did, you still should try it on 3rd and 1, and OF COURSE you make sure your QB knows to run the clock! That’s on Matt Ryan but as his OC you need to make him do it if he doesn’t).

    However, blame also falls on Atlanta’s defense. As soon as they won the NFC title I knew their defense was going to let them down. I know it sounds like boasting or bragging but honestly, the two things I was sure of were that Shanahan would not outsmart Bill Belichick, and that Atlanta’s defense was not smart or disciplined enough to cover NE’s passing game.

    Lo and behold, Atlanta’s defense did absolutely NOTHING AT ALL in the second half. Nothing. At least their suddenly anemic offense scored once. The defense completely and totally let them down. And you saw it happen in front of you-people will talk about the inspiring comeback years from now, but honestly? If you watch the game, you knew that in the second half Atlanta just let New England do absolutely ANYTHING it wanted to do, especially on offense.

    Shanahan is a big reason for that, but the Falcon’s utter and total lack of a secondary and crappy defensive play calling is another reason. Also, the fact that they wasted two of their timeouts early for no reason (bad challenge and a dumb playcalling snafu). Any team that wastes timeouts will be the losing team, 9 times out of 10.

  50. firedog784 says:
    Feb 15, 2017 10:39 AM

    Yeah I’m sure the 40 min TOP, 93 offensive plays, the 37 first downs and scores on the Pats last 5 possessions against that defense had nothing to do with their loss.

    ——————————

    That’s the point. Most of the stats you listed only happened because of a lack of awareness of situational football by the Falcons. If the coaches were smart the Patriots would have had less opportunities.

    Guarantee you, if you reversed coaches, Belichek would have made sure the team:

    • snapped the ball after running the play clock down
    • not called for deep drop passes on 3 and 1
    • controlled the clock to help a gassed ‘D’
    • set the team up for at least a FG try

    Yes there are no guarantees. But your odds are much better than just “playing how we played all year.” This was as close to a slam dunk as you could get.

    This was a choke job worse than Spurs/Heat game 6.

    Morons.

  51. There is no doubt in my mind that if the Falcons had gone up by 11, the Pats would have still tied it by kicking a field goal as time ran out, and won it in overtime anyway.

  52. Just like against the Seahawks, the Pats had already stuffed the Beast once, and would have done it again. Game over.

    This game, the Pats were destined to win just as the Falcons were destined to lose. It didn’t matter what they did.

  53. I don’t know if a coach ever called a perfect game, but the play of the guys on the field usually determines the outcome. If you watched the same game I saw, you saw a QB who made some huge mental errors late in the game. He froze up under pressure. He was like a deer in headlights. He’s snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the clock when he should have used every second. The coach didn’t snap the ball. He took two or three sacks in situations where you just can’t take a sack. You prepare for that, and you just throw the ball away. Did a RB blatantly miss a block? Maybe. The coach didn’t miss the block. But the QB has to know the situation. Ryan is an 11 year veteran, and he’s a smart guy. He had just been named NFL MVP. He just froze up on the big stage with the bright lights. I really couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I didn’t think it had anything to do with the coach. That’s on the QB. Did Bill Belichick lead a last minute drive down the field for a TD? No. Tom Brady did. Tom Brady was the MVP. Not the coach. Maybe Roddy watched a different game, or he was already into his “celebration” by the time the fourth quarter rolled around. Maybe a lot of people were.

  54. It wasn’t good enough that Julio made that clutching catch, (which was a risky pass by Ryan) they want to glorify Ryan for mvp like Seattle tried to do with Wilson and was bite on their @$$. PLAY TO WIN THE GAME AND LET THE TEAM PUBLICIST DEAL WITH THE POLITICS

  55. tonebones says:
    Feb 16, 2017 7:13 AM

    I don’t know if a coach ever called a perfect game, but the play of the guys on the field usually determines the outcome. If you watched the same game I saw, you saw a QB who made some huge mental errors late in the game. He froze up under pressure. He was like a deer in headlights. He’s snapping the ball with 20 seconds left on the clock when he should have used every second. The coach didn’t snap the ball. He took two or three sacks in situations where you just can’t take a sack. You prepare for that, and you just throw the ball away. Did a RB blatantly miss a block? Maybe. The coach didn’t miss the block. But the QB has to know the situation. Ryan is an 11 year veteran, and he’s a smart guy. He had just been named NFL MVP. He just froze up on the big stage with the bright lights. I really couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I didn’t think it had anything to do with the coach. That’s on the QB. Did Bill Belichick lead a last minute drive down the field for a TD? No. Tom Brady did. Tom Brady was the MVP. Not the coach. Maybe Roddy watched a different game, or he was already into his “celebration” by the time the fourth quarter rolled around. Maybe a lot of people were.

    ——————————

    The coach didn’t snap the ball, but he is in charge of the team and SITUATIONAL FOOTBALL. Belichek would have overruled Shanahan on the play-calling and would have made it and EMPHASIS to Ryan to snap the ball later.

    Roddy watched the same game the vast majority of people did … a major choke job by people in charge that had no clue what to do under pressure.

  56. The Falcons just couldn’t believe the Pats were making a game of it. In their minds they had already won. Once the Patriots came back, it was all over. The Falcon’s defense was already too tired, and they were overwhelmed emotionally. I doubt it mattered what plays were called, the Pats psyched them out big time.

  57. If ATL had run the ball to set up the FG attempt, NE would have probably just …

    Blocked the ATL field goal and …

    Gotten better field position to start the tying TD drive and …

    Scored a TD while using less clock to do so because of the better field position …

    Forced ATL to punt and …

    With more time on the clock, scored again to win in regulation.

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