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Teams express concern about Scouting Combine exclusions

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On the surface, valid P.R. reasons exist for shunning certain players with histories of certain types of criminal activity from the Scouting Combine. As a practical matter, however, telling players with a history of violent crime to not come to Indianapolis serves only to make the process more complicated and expensive, for everyone.

Key employees from two different teams (and counting) privately have expressed concern in the past few hours to PFT regarding the decision to keep certain players with obvious red flags from the Scouting Combine. As one source put it, “Any of these guys with question marks need to be vetted.”

And they will be. They just won’t be part of the cost-effective effort to get them all in one place at one time.

As another source put it, the decision to keep players like Mississippi quarterback Chad Kelly away from the Scouting Combine means that teams will need to obtain separate medical information about Kelly, flying him from city to city to be poked and prodded in the way that all players are once and only once in Indy. Indeed, the Combine emerged primarily from the desire to get one set of comprehensive medical information on the incoming players. The rest of it, from interviews to press conferences to Underwear Olympics, grew out of that.

Regardless of what it has become, teams will find a way to get the information they need as to the players who aren’t there, for whatever reason. With the immediate emergence of Chiefs jack-of-all-trades Tyreek Hill despite ugly and troubling domestic violence allegations that didn’t get him shunned from the league, teams will continue to do their due diligence even if the player’s behavior ultimately puts him in the “do not draft” category.

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23 Responses to “Teams express concern about Scouting Combine exclusions”
  1. reptar310 says: Feb 15, 2017 8:17 PM

    Teams obviously want the best players. The NFL office in New York wants good PR after a rough couple years. What a pickle.

  2. thetooloftools says: Feb 15, 2017 8:21 PM

    “telling players with a history of violent crime to not come to Indianapolis serves only to make the process more complicated and expensive, for everyone.”
    Society thinks this is a no brainer. I guess good football skills do still trump social behavior. You ave got to be kidding me. Thanks Goodell.

  3. deneb1973 says: Feb 15, 2017 8:28 PM

    Another instance of silliness bordering on illegality by a league that believes it is above the law. If the NFL wants to ban players from employment because of things done while they were minors they are violating the CBA and dozens of statutes. Another instance of Goodell’s lack of legal knowledge and ridiculous over reaction that could lead to an anti-trust complaint that will devastate the league. the NFL needs better lawyers and a better vision of the future. Another lawsuit will only taint the Shield – but with all of Goodell’s missteps over the past years it is hardly surprising.

  4. jimnaizeeum says: Feb 15, 2017 8:30 PM

    Key employees from two different teams (and counting) privately have expressed concern in the past few hours to PFT regarding the decision to keep certain players with obvious red flags from the Scouting Combine.

    Dallas & Baltimore?

  5. whatevnfl says: Feb 15, 2017 8:48 PM

    Exactly. This “policy” doesn’t keep players out of the draft. It just puts more burden and work on teams to vet and chase down players they need to see the most. Good thing corporate suits – and not so smart ones – make all the decisions on Park Avenue.

  6. jerseyshoregiant says: Feb 15, 2017 8:53 PM

    deneb1973 says:
    Feb 15, 2017 8:28 PM

    Another instance of silliness bordering on illegality by a league that believes it is above the law. If the NFL wants to ban players from employment because of things done while they were minors they are violating the CBA and dozens of statutes. Another instance of Goodell’s lack of legal knowledge and ridiculous over reaction that could lead to an anti-trust complaint that will devastate the league. the NFL needs better lawyers and a better vision of the future. Another lawsuit will only taint the Shield – but with all of Goodell’s missteps over the past years it is hardly surprising.
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    I doubt you know anything about the CBA and do tell us, who is the person being excluded that did something when they were minor?

  7. chaser44 says: Feb 15, 2017 8:53 PM

    deneb1973 says:
    Feb 15, 2017 8:28 PM
    Another instance of silliness bordering on illegality by a league that believes it is above the law. If the NFL wants to ban players from employment because of things done while they were minors they are violating the CBA and dozens of statutes.

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    Pretty sure most of these players were over 18 when they got in trouble, most .having graduated high school at 18. Also there is nothing illegal at all about an employer not hiring someone for crimes in there past, especially violent crimes like mixon. Its called a background check and i jave had to pass one for every job i was ever hired at.

  8. cardinealsfan20 says: Feb 15, 2017 8:55 PM

    Every industry and business has people who have committed crimes, even law enforcement. A blanket exclusion serves no purpose.

  9. omegalh says: Feb 15, 2017 8:57 PM

    Seems these are the guys you want at the combine so you can see if they are punks or just did a dumb thing one time.

  10. tjacks7 says: Feb 15, 2017 9:28 PM

    Every problem the NFL has (and they have a lot) can be traced back to Goodell’s ineptness. Why don’t we constantly hear about these issues with the other professional leagues? Is it because they have competent executives and logical policies?

  11. atwatercrushesokoye says: Feb 15, 2017 10:21 PM

    jimnaizeeum says:
    Feb 15, 2017 8:30 PM
    Key employees from two different teams (and counting) privately have expressed concern in the past few hours to PFT regarding the decision to keep certain players with obvious red flags from the Scouting Combine.

    Dallas & Baltimore?

    32 11
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    With Kansas City soon to be the “and counting” part of that number.

  12. beavertonsteve says: Feb 15, 2017 10:27 PM

    Pretty sure most of these players were over 18 when they got in trouble, most .having graduated high school at 18.

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    The “over 18” thing is always interesting. If Joe Mixon would have punched the woman 48 hours earlier, he would have been a minor.

  13. clavisra says: Feb 15, 2017 10:27 PM

    I would hate to be the fan of a team that counts on the combine to scout draft picks. The combine may not be completely useless, but, please, it’s mostly a public relations event for the NFL.

  14. ridnaway says: Feb 15, 2017 10:37 PM

    They’ll have an opportunity to show their stuff at college pro days. This is much ado about nothing.

  15. wadinmypants says: Feb 15, 2017 11:49 PM

    Why did Tyreek Hill get a pass?

  16. Bl00dwerK says: Feb 16, 2017 4:02 AM

    Are they banning the dude who punched that girl in the face?

  17. joefelicelli says: Feb 16, 2017 8:03 AM

    I think the entire thing is crazy, because three days after the Combine, all 32 teams go on a road show to dozens of pro days to see all the guys who didn’t get invited to the Combine anyway. If the NFL was smart, and wanted to make a major statement, they would get rid of the Pro Day circuit. They would switch to 4-6 regional Combines, and have the full gambit of stuff to test and measure for all eligible players within whatever miles of the regional, and allow for special exceptions for 2 reasons: 1) injury rechecks, or guys who were not able to participate during their scheduled combine, but are later, and 2) petition for a special consideration that has to be approved by the hosting team. You have them at NFL team facilities, so the NFL is in full control of each event, and can include or exclude anyone they want, because they control the entire process.

    The exclusion of players from the Combine when every one of them will have a workout either at their college Pro Day, or a private workout that a group of scouts and team guys will attend, is laughable . Talk about a hollow stand for PR.

  18. milkcan44 says: Feb 16, 2017 8:34 AM

    This is a good rule.
    The knuckleheads need to know that there’s a price to be paid for criminal behavior, and I’m sure agents will be reminding them if it means costing them (and the agent) money.
    And the league gets a positive by not just looking the other way on derelict behavior.

  19. thirdand43 says: Feb 16, 2017 8:40 AM

    So let me get this straight. I AM banned from the league’s comprehensive vetting process that was created solely to evaluate talent that seeks to enter the league, but I AM NOT banned from actually playing in the league itself. Okay, got it.
    If I were a skeptic, wink wink, I would say that it looks like the league is only trying to appear socially conscious by publicly banning and stigmatizing certain players from the evaluation process, which probably just serves to diminish the monetary value of those individuals, thereby facilitating teams’ ability to have superior talent play their first contract for inferior money.

  20. feckyerlife says: Feb 16, 2017 9:03 AM

    Key employees from two different teams (and counting) privately have expressed concern in the past few hours to PFT regarding the decision to keep certain players with obvious red flags from the Scouting Combine.

    Dallas & Baltimore?

    You could add- Seattle, New England, Cinci, Pittsburgh, KC – they all like to fix the players with question marks.

  21. harrisonhits2 says: Feb 16, 2017 9:25 AM

    The league “analysis” probably went along the lines of –

    Did he commit domestic violence? If yes he can still go to the combine. If no he’s banned.

  22. golions1 says: Feb 16, 2017 10:51 AM

    The NFL should stick to football, and leave law enfoorcement and social work to the professionals.

  23. bluenose1965 says: Feb 16, 2017 10:57 AM

    Banned player list = Cowboys big board.

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