Patriots will lose the fourth-rounder they get from the Saints

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The good news for the Patriots is that they will be getting back the fourth-round pick that the NFL previously stripped as part of the #DeflateGate punishment. The bad news is that pick No. 132 will be restored only because the fourth-round pick that the Patriots are picking up from the Saints as part of the Brandin Cooks trade will be taken by the league.

Said the NFL in response to the question of whether the Patriots would lose the higher fourth-round pick and retrieve the fourth-round pick that had been acquired from the Seahawks, “In general and not in reference to a particular trade, they would have their highest pick forfeited and the currently forfeited pick restored.”

The Patriots, per a source with knowledge of the situation, did the deal fully expecting that the higher fourth-round pick would be lost and the 132nd pick would be returned. But if the deal still isn’t done, there’s one additional wrinkle that should be explored.

If the NFL will be taking the highest pick that the Patriots hold in round four, why should the Saints send pick No. 118 to the Patriots? The Saints should call any of the teams picking between No. 119 and No. 131 (the Texans hold No. 131) and offer to flip-flop those selections before sending an even lower fourth-round pick to the Patriots.

The Texans could jump 13 spots (or one of the other teams between 119 and 130 could jump to 118), the Saints could pick up a little something in return, and the Patriots would still be getting back the currently-forfeited 132nd pick.

If it’s worth $16 million and a 2017 fourth-round pick to the Browns to get a 2018 second-round pick and a 2017 sixth-rounder, moving up to pick 118 is surely worth something to one of the teams from 119 to 131.

The trade isn’t official yet, so the Saints still have time to make a call or two and slide down a spot or two (or 13) from No. 118. Don’t be surprised if they do.

91 responses to “Patriots will lose the fourth-rounder they get from the Saints

  1. It should be the Pats pick to do what they wish with it as far as using it for trade bate…. Say they take one of their thirds & add the saints pick to get a second rounder or what not….
    Then they lose the pick that’s later in round 4…..

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  3. Gotta love the NFL. No matter how good you are at dealing, they are penalized the highest pick in the 4th, not losing their own pick, but the highest regardless. What a farce. Now they’ll lose a pick they didn’t even have when the punishment was levied. It’s actually quite comical.

  4. Winning that Super Bowl and having possibly the best free agency of any Super Bowl champion could not be better comeuppance. Many have even called it divine justice and wonder whether we have the NFL to thank for the Patriots SB 51 victory.

  5. What? How is that in any way a fair move by the NFL? They paid their punishment already, and now the league is going to make it worse because the Pats were able to work a few trades?

  6. Lol the pats don’t need any draft picks this year to win a SB with the moves they have already made. It would take a miracle for them NOT to win another one this year!

  7. Goodell and the entire 345Park Ave. cartel are vile , lying thieves. Just more ammo for the never ending revenge tour.

  8. .
    You gotta believe that the Patriots will hop around the board throughout round four keeping the 6 million dollar a years scabs, Pash and Gardi, in the limelight for repeatedly punishing the Patriots.
    .

  9. 2017 is looking to be another great yesr for chowdaheads everywhere (way too many of you honks out here on the West coast, please go home before California builds a wall to keep out you deplorables, but allowing all others).

    After this season, I think William and Tommy are going to ride off into the sunset, brokeback style.

    Keep your hands and arms inside the vehicle until it has come to full and complete stop, chowds.

    History dictates that dynasties do not last forever, especially those of the nefarious nature.

    RAIDER NATION

    We’re Still Here.

  10. It wasn’t worth 16 million for a 2018 pick. They received a player plus added cap space when they got rid of RG III. It cost the Browns between 8 and 9 million for the pick plus a backup QB.

  11. I am tired of hearing about #Deflategate. Get over it people.

    And I am also SMH about the media saying the Pats had the best offseason. Kind of like how these folks say the same things during a draft. The game is played on the field folks, and kickoff 2017 hasn’t occurred yet.

  12. The only reason the higher pick of the round thing is even a rule is because the owners cried when the Patriots had the 7th overall pick the year after spygate. Roger had to find a way to appease the rest of them. The best was him “punishing” the Giants by moving them down 10 spots in the draft. Still waiting for the Steelers and Seahawks punishments Roger.

  13. .
    The difference between #118 and #131 is the 15th pick in the 6th round, according to the trade value chart.
    .

  14. The trade isn’t official yet, so the Saints still have time to make a call or two and slide down a spot or two (or 13) from No. 118. Don’t be surprised if they do.

    I doubt that is possible. A team submits a trade then changes the condition of the trade by another trade that hasn’t been submitted? Come on. You need a vacation. You are working too hard.

  15. NE stands to lose the NO 4th round pick only if it remains as their best pick of the round. NE could still trade it prior to being “on the clock”.

    It would be hysterical if NE held onto it right up until that point to see which team(s) would offer what for it while fans everywhere were tuned in to see NE/BB make a mockery of Roger and his Liar’s Club’s NFL Draft “showcase”. I hate the stupid draft broadcasts but I would tune in just to see the clowns at NFL HQ squirm.

  16. No team is going to give up another pick just to move up a few slots in the fourth round this far before the draft. No one has any idea who will be around in the fourth round so how would they know whether they needed to move up to get a specific player. Trades like that typically only happen on the day of the draft during the round in question.

  17. I don’t believe NO will renege: Payton and Belichick respect is mutual. But if Loomis reneges, NE fans should form a special militia that will prevent Goodell from ever setting foot within 5 miles of Foxborough. And Kraft should be its honorary captain.

  18. Raider Nation has lost far too many of its nationals to death by natural causes. You’re no more a Nation than a “Jets Nation” or “Lions Nation.”

  19. If the pick can just move around like that, can’t the Pats just trade away both 4th rounders and then not lose a pick? Or, have it fall to a 5th?

  20. NFL shud have just taken Pats 4th rounder and left it at that. But they knew pats 4th rounder wud prob be pick 30-32 range so in there bias jeff pash ways they tried to mess with process by claiming pats wud have to forfeit whatever best 4th rounder they had left, that way BB cudnt just make trade to have good 4th rounder and not worry about pick 32…

    ahhh but BB beats NFL & bias jeff pash again …he gonna trade in and out of 4th round 50 times between now and draft day before ending with two top picks of 4th round … Cleve and LA Rams pick 1 & 2 in round 4, so if pats own both they pick second in 4th round, which will lead off day 3 (valuable pick) of draft, and Goodell will have to announce “The Patiots are on the clock” to kick off the day and the 4th round, a round that was the NFL’s final penalty to deflate gate! … drop the mike BB, ha you and pats win again!

  21. I can’t believe the national media has let the NFL front office skate on this entire scam. The national media is so lazy that they are willfully letting the NFL front-office railroads the Patriots continuously.

  22. I hope Brady decides to renegotiate his contract on his last year and play for $1, freeing up around $20 million in cap space for one final ride. He announces his impending retirement, BB announces his own, Pats go crazy in Free Agency, a bunch of star free agents come on board for a discount to take part in the final ride, and the Pats steamroll the league (again). I mean Brady and his wife are worth like $600 million bucks; why not go out on that extremely high note and make history while solidifying a legend that is already pretty much singular.

  23. In the meantime, Cleveland’s trade with Houston was done for the purpose of trading for a contract (not a player) to help out the salary cap. This is against NFL rules. Personally, I don’t give a crap… but imagine if the Patriots did this? It would be all over the press.

  24. Once again, the real problem here is that certain teams are receiving an unfair advantage. For example, the Eagles hold the #119 pick. They will now be picking #118. Similarly, the teams #120-#131 move up one spot that they otherwise would not be entitled to, while the other teams do not receive any benefit.

  25. Goodell is the best thing to happen to the NFL. He has confronted issues other commissioners turned their heads on and made the league players more responsible for their on and off field actions. Keep up the great work Roger.

  26. I can’t believe the national media has let the NFL front office skate on this entire scam. The national media is so lazy that they are willfully letting the NFL front-office railroads the Patriots continuously.

    I can’t believe you Pat’s fans are still whining about this……real men don’t whine like that….

  27. Suggested trade;

    To Browns from Pats: JG

    Browns to Pats: #1 Draft pick

    To Browns from Pats: Draft picks or players to make up difference between Browns #12 Draft pick & Browns # 1 Draft pick.

    Pats then take #1 player in draft or trade for boatload of players.

  28. Relax people, this has no effect on what NO gets in the trade, they still get the 1st and 3rd picks. NE will get back their original 4th round pick that was stolen by the league and instead lose the 4th they got from NO. BB knew thats exactly what would happen and is probably happy to have his original 4th, even though they slid back.

  29. All you seem to read and hear these days is the Patriots getting fined or having something removed for prolonged cheating or is it just old punishment that’s taking forever to get sorted out. Anybody thats not up with what’s going on in today’s NFL might do some research on the Patriots and think, Ok they seem to very successful but at what cost. Tarnished Championships or Respected competitors. Interesting don’t you think

  30. The Saints and Patriots

    BountyGate and FrameGate

    Two examples of Roger Goodell’s blatant corruption in an NFL that is openly trying to fix the outcome of seasons by benching coaches and players for absolutely no reason.

    Tagliabue said as much about Goodell for suspending Sean Peyton and the Laws of Physics confirm Roger Goodell’s corruption in FrameGate

    It wouldn’t surprise me if the Patriots and Saints have set this up to show Goodell that they’re smart enough to ensure that his “punishment” not only doesn’t adversely affect them – but they in fact will outsmart him and BENEFIT from it.

    If Goodell hadn’t forced Garoppolo to play, it’s unlikely there’d be talk of the Patriots picking up a 1st and 2nd or even more for him. Thanks Rog!

  31. This corrupt NFL lie to fix games has gone too far:

    • In 2014 Roger Goodell pledged more transparency.
    • In 2015 Roger Goodell said that “the integrity of the league was the most important thing”.
    • During the 2015 season the NFL collected PSI measurements to determine the effects that weather has on footballs during game conditions.
    • In 2016 the Patriots had their 1st round draft pick taken while convincing everyone that the weather can’t lower the PSI in footballs.
    • Now the NFL plans on taking the Patriots best 2017 fourth round draft pick away…while sticking to the story that footballs don’t drop PSI when it’s cold.
    • It’s 2017 and the NFL still hasn’t issued a press release containing the PSI measurements that were collected during the 2015 season. So much for the empty promises of transparency.
    • It’s now obvious that “the integrity of the league” is not important to Roger Goodell.

  32. The NFL still hasn’t released the PSI information that was collected during the 2015 season.

    • It’s time for the NFL to award the Patriots a compensatory pick in the first round of the 2017 draft to make up for Brady missing 25% of the 2016 season.
    • It’s time for the NFL to award the Patriots a second compensatory pick in the first round of the 2017 draft to make up for the stolen 2016 1st round pick.
    • It’s time for the NFL to reinstate the Patriots 2017 fourth round pick.

  33. This corrupt NFL lie to fix games has gone too far:

    • In 2014 Roger Goodell pledged more transparency.
    • In 2015 Roger Goodell said that “the integrity of the league was the most important thing”.
    • During the 2015 season the NFL collected PSI measurements to determine the effects that weather has on footballs during game conditions.
    • In 2016 the Patriots had their 1st round draft pick taken while the NFL was convincing everyone that the weather can’t lower the PSI in footballs.
    • Now the NFL plans on taking the Patriots best 2017 fourth round draft pick away…while sticking to the story that footballs don’t drop PSI when it’s cold.
    • It’s 2017 and the NFL still hasn’t issued a press release containing the PSI measurements that were collected during the 2015 season. So much for the empty promises of transparency.
    • It’s now obvious that “the integrity of the league” is not important to Roger Goodell.

  34. ariani1985 says:
    Mar 11, 2017 1:27 PM

    2 yard tom just wet herself!
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    You have no shame do you.

  35. fishyinalittledishy says:
    Mar 11, 2017 2:23 PM
    All you seem to read and hear these days is the Patriots getting fined or having something removed for prolonged cheating or is it just old punishment that’s taking forever to get sorted out. Anybody thats not up with what’s going on in today’s NFL might do some research on the Patriots and think, Ok they seem to very successful but at what cost. Tarnished Championships or Respected competitors. Interesting don’t you think

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    Everyone hate the #1, “horse” if you don’t own it or have an interest in it. No amount of “cheating” would keep NE relevant for dang near the last 20 years. Don’t hate, appreciate!

    The article brings up an interesting point and I HOPE Mickey and Sean are thinking the same way!

    twinfan24 says:
    Mar 11, 2017 12:49 PM
    If the pick can just move around like that, can’t the Pats just trade away both 4th rounders and then not lose a pick? Or, have it fall to a 5th?

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    The Pats do NOT have a 4th rd pick to trade since the league is taking it away. That’s why the Saints are the only ones that can trade that pick before the deal is done and pick 118 ACTUALLY belongs to NE.

  36. TheWizard says:
    Mar 11, 2017 2:54 PM

    Bill should just trade that high 4th pick straight up for the first pick in round 5

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    No…. because then the next highest 4th round picks gets stolen.

    I believe that the Patriots currently have the following 4th round picks:

    • 4th Round (118 overall) – from Saints in Brandin Cooks Trade.
    • 4th Round (122nd overall) – from Colts in Dwayne Allen Trade
    • 4th Round (137th overall) – assigned pick

    If the Pats allow Roger Goodell to steal 118 they get to keep 122 and 137. That’s better than moving one down to the 5th round.

  37. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Mar 11, 2017 1:47 PM

    I can’t believe the national media has let the NFL front office skate on this entire scam. The national media is so lazy that they are willfully letting the NFL front-office railroads the Patriots continuously.

    I can’t believe you Pat’s fans are still whining about this……real men don’t whine like that….
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    You are exposed. You just proved your own point. All hail the world champion Patriots!

  38. It’s now obvious that “the integrity of the league” is not important to Roger Goodell.

    Its more obvious that real men don’t whine after reading your last three posts. Ice of son…and get a hobby.

  39. Setting aside your feelings about the team involved and the reason for the punishment, how in the world can anyone argue that is fair?

  40. When does the pick get taken from them? If the Pats get this pick can they trade it back away as long as they do it before the draft? Then lose their normal pick which I understood they were not allowed to trade away.

  41. This really doesnt make any sense. They should lose their 4th round pick.

    Is this the way it has been? So lets say a team loses their first round pick…. they cant trade to #1 or 2 to get a QB?

  42. bencoates57 says:
    Mar 11, 2017 12:13 PM
    Winning that Super Bowl and having possibly the best free agency of any Super Bowl champion could not be better comeuppance. Many have even called it divine justice and wonder whether we have the NFL to thank for the Patriots SB 51 victory.

    ________________

    They have navigated it well to stay on top. But no matter how you cut it they lost a first and a fourth. However well they have maneuvered they would still have been better off with those picks on top of what they pulled.

    What didnt happen was for them to be knocked down below the other teams. The intent was to cripple the Pats so the other owners wouldnt have to face their dynasty. It wasnt in the plans for the Pats to maneuver so well that even after being weakened they were still the strongest team going by far.

  43. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Mar 11, 2017 3:41 PM

    Ice of son…and get a hobby.

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    Better idea…how about you…Ice up son…and get a new hobby…your constant trolling of the World Champion Patriots is not making you look good.

  44. Do they really need draft picks? Maybe they can donate them to raise money for a charity.

  45. The only way for the losers in the league office and amongst the jealous owners to cripple the Patriots would be to ban them from post-season play.

  46. Hey Rog!….it won’t matter! You’re still going to have to hand another Lombardi trophy over to Brady, BB, and Robert Kraft.
    EAT IT! It’ll be even MORE delicious this time watching you have to swallow it.

  47. Better idea…how about you…Ice up son…and get a new hobby…your constant trolling of the World Champion Patriots is not making you look good.

    Who cares how it looks it’s making real geniuses like you respond in anger…..bait, hook, little fishy flopping on the bottom of the boat….here little fish i.e.

  48. The same thing would have happened to the 1st rounder last year had NE traded up in the draft.

    The shenanigans of swiping the better pick from NE is a carryover from the spygate farce when NE lost it’s own 1st rounder near the bottom of the round but traded up with SF(?) for an even better additional 1st rounder (JMayo @ 10th overall?). All the petty little jealous losers complained about BB outsmarting them back then so this is why we’re here – petty jealousy masking gross incompetence.

  49. Patriots should trade all their draft picks, except for the last pick in the 4th round , and Jimmy G, for the Browns #1 this year, next year, and the year after.

  50. Nofoolnodrool says:

    I can’t believe you Pat’s fans are still whining about this……real men don’t whine like that….

    You are a hoot 😉

    Go Pats

  51. Bill Bellichick will ALWAYS be one step ahead of Goodell in football knowledge and football rules. He lives football. SB 51 was icing. Whatever comes now is gravy. Revenge is always sweet, no matter how subtle.

  52. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Mar 11, 2017 1:47 PM
    I can’t believe the national media has let the NFL front office skate on this entire scam. The national media is so lazy that they are willfully letting the NFL front-office railroads the Patriots continuously.

    I can’t believe you Pat’s fans are still whining about this……real men don’t whine like that….

    ___________________

    Csn the author of the whining complain about the whining? Is that legal?

  53. Make the trade.
    Don’t make the trade.

    Lose the draft pick.
    Don’t lose the draft pick.

    It really doesn’t matter does it?????

    Kiss the Rings
    Here comes another.

    Go Pats

  54. Nofoolnodrool says:
    Mar 11, 2017 5:26 PM
    Better idea…how about you…Ice up son…and get a new hobby…your constant trolling of the World Champion Patriots is not making you look good.

    Who cares how it looks it’s making real geniuses like you respond in anger…..bait, hook, little fishy flopping on the bottom of the boat….here little fish i.e.
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    People who constantly provoke others to get a reaction? Is there a medical or psychological term for this? Is this a disorder?
    Yes there is a name for such behaviour. Someone with borderline, antisocial or narcissistic PD in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders).
    Here’s a short list of the types of people I would lump into the “unreasonable”:
    Those you can’t have a reasonable conversation with; they somehow twist your words or totally confuse you and then tell you that you’re the one who doesn’t know how to communicate
    People who make subtly or overtly demeaning comments or say cutting things to you disguised as a “joke”
    Those that don’t respect boundaries and seem to enjoy stepping all over one after you’ve placed it
    The types that aren’t willing to consider your point of view or listen to your side of things (or just stare at you blankly, or laugh, or explode, when you try to explain “how you feel”)
    Bullies
    Verbal or emotional abusers (these can also range from subtle to overt)
    Manipulators
    Liars
    Or, in your case, all of the above.

  55. imodan says:
    Mar 11, 2017 2:52 PM
    ariani1985 says:
    Mar 11, 2017 1:27 PM

    2 yard tom just wet herself!
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    You have no shame do you.
    _____

    He should have shame…..and lots of it…..he’s a Viking fan

  56. imodan says:
    Mar 11, 2017 6:02 PM

    Those that don’t respect boundaries and seem to enjoy stepping all over one after you’ve placed it
    The types that aren’t willing to consider your point of view or listen to your side of things (or just stare at you blankly, or laugh, or explode, when you try to explain “how you feel”)
    Bullies
    Verbal or emotional abusers (these can also range from subtle to overt)
    Manipulators
    Liars
    ______________
    How about “those who make a big deal about comments on the internet?”

  57. Actually, it does matter if the Saints move down and substitute a lower draft pick which is still better than position 132.

    While the Pats have pick 118, they can trade it — and then the league would take 132.

    The “higher valued 4th round pick” only kicks in AFTER all the trading is done — not today. If the Saints substitute a lower-valued 4th round pick than 118, they owe the Pats something because that wasn’t the deal.

  58. mullman

    RAIDER NATION

    We’re Still Here.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Completely and thoroughly blown out in SBXXXVII by the Bucs and have done Butkus since.

    Still on the sideline watching real champions since 2003.
    And counting.

  59. Patriot haters already cried twice this year:

    1. When the Patriots won the coin toss in overtime of the superbowl.

    2. When they saw the photograph of Matt Patricia making fun of their hero by wearing the Goodell clown face t-shirt.

  60. alfredogarciashead says:
    Mar 11, 2017 3:07 PM
    Pats lucked out big time in last 2 SB wins. Cheated the Rams on the other.

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    If that’s what helps you deal, be my guest and sip from that cup, buddy.

    Oh, and–get ready–the big bad Patriots are coming to “luck out” some more on you! From what I hear, they are simply placed gently in to every Super Bowl, and then, the luck just happens. It’s beautiful to watch!

    20 years of luck–what are the odds or that? Wow!

  61. *******************
    Nofoolnodrool says:
    Mar 11, 2017 5:26 PM

    Who cares how it looks it’s making real geniuses like you respond in anger…..bait, hook, little fishy flopping on the bottom of the boat….here little fish i.e.
    0 10
    Report comment
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    Wow. I’m sad for you. I hope things get better.

  62. laserw says:
    Mar 11, 2017 8:38 PM
    Wouldn’t it be easier to concede the Patriots don’t play by the rule book and then to move on?
    ___________________
    I guess it would…. For the simple minded…
    try to find someone to explain this to you….buy reading your post I’m guessing you wouldn’t understand this response…. Just sayin’

  63. Wouldn’t it be easier to concede the Patriots don’t play by the rule book and then to move on?
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    So, why haven’t you?

  64. If teams do as you suggest here, work in concert to stick it to the league office in order to secretly avoid/lessen/mitigate a sanctioned penalty against the Pats, wouldn’t they be coming dangerously close to collusion allegations being leveled against all of them?

    And that would have absolutely nothing to do with anything that Roger Goddell did or didn’t do in the past. It would be ALL on the participants, ones who have openly chosen to collude to screw the league office. Colluding for justice is NOT justice. It’s collusion. The proper channel is to appeal (even if that process is now corrupt too). When appeals are exhausted, it’s time to just shut up, eat it, and move on.

    This is why many folks are tired of the NFL, because there isn’t enough clear thinking left; it was replaced by a boatload of mass-triggering on outrage, as a way to justify/obscure any questionable action. That’s how mountains are made from mole hills.

    And sadly, actual football seems to be of only secondary importance now.

  65. I was thinking the same exact thing, trade the 4th with the Texans, get back a 7th or whatever the chart says you should get and tell Goodell to pound sand.

  66. thumper001 says:
    Mar 11, 2017 9:41 PM
    If teams do as you suggest here, work in concert to stick it to the league office in order to secretly avoid/lessen/mitigate a sanctioned penalty against the Pats, wouldn’t they be coming dangerously close to collusion allegations being leveled against all of them?

    And that would have absolutely nothing to do with anything that Roger Goddell did or didn’t do in the past. It would be ALL on the participants, ones who have openly chosen to collude to screw the league office. Colluding for justice is NOT justice. It’s collusion. The proper channel is to appeal (even if that process is now corrupt too). When appeals are exhausted, it’s time to just shut up, eat it, and move on.

    This is why many folks are tired of the NFL, because there isn’t enough clear thinking left; it was replaced by a boatload of mass-triggering on outrage, as a way to justify/obscure any questionable action. That’s how mountains are made from mole hills.

    And sadly, actual football seems to be of only secondary importance now.

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    It will be a hoot the day Wikileaks Drops on them. Roger refuses to give up his own phone for good reason.

  67. @thumper001

    Roger Goodell is to blame for causing people to perpetually dwell on “cheating” nonsense instead of enjoying football. Roger caused dimwits to forever believe that cheating is the reason that teams win in the NFL.

    If Roger had only admitted he was wrong when he found out the weather deflated footballs…he would have not had to tell the “57 lies told by the NFL during deflategate”

    Roger could still release the PSI information from the 2015 season and then his mistake will be obvious, even to the dimwits that still believe that the patriots let air out of footballs.

    The NFL could then compensate the patriots with draft picks.

  68. I your feeling a little mischievous and probably a little boared just throw in a * or a cheat into a Patriot post and all hell breaks loose. LMAO. You Patriot fans are so easy. If you were fish it wouldn’t be a sport anymore. Talking about fishys FINS UP. LOL

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