Week 17 altercation was last straw for Texans and Osweiler

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So when did the Texans decide it was time to move on from quarterback Brock Osweiler despite a contract that pays $16 million guaranteed in 2017? The decision was made in the aftermath of an incident that occurred on the first day of the calendar year.

January 1. Texans at Titans. Backup-turned-starter Tom Savage took a hit on a quarterback sneak during the first play of the second quarter and was removed for a concussion evaluation. Starter-turned-backup Brock Osweiler entered the game.

Confusion emerged during the second quarter as to whether Savage had been cleared to return to action. At halftime, Savage got the news: He was being shut down for the day.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Savage became very upset, knocking things around in the locker room and otherwise making a ruckus about having his status jeopardized by a doctor’s decision to keep him from playing. At or about the same time, coach Bill O’Brien informed Osweiler that he’d be finishing the game.

Osweiler, per the source, reacted negatively, telling O’Brien in the visiting coach’s office at Nissan Stadium in Nashville that he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him. [Editor’s note: That’s sort of how football depth charts work.] An argument ensued, voices were raised. At one point, it’s believed that Osweiler got up to walk away and O’Brien threw out an arm to stop him. That prompted Osweiler to act as if he were being “held hostage,” a claim that he would repeat (per the source) in the days after the game.

And that was that for Osweiler in Houston. Following that incident, the team was determined to find a way to move on from him.

Rumors of an incident of some sort had been percolating for weeks. Both O’Brien and Osweiler downplayed talk of a loud argument in the days after the game. Following the hot potato trade that sent Osweiler and a second-round pick to Cleveland, former NFL defensive back Bryant McFadden said in an appearance on 120 Sports that Osweiler and O’Brien had a “physical confrontation that got ugly.”

“It was physical,” McFadden said. “It was physical. The players and coaches had to restrain O’Brien and Brock.”

Both the Texans and Osweiler’s agent, Jimmy Sexton, declined to comment on McFadden’s claims. Based on the information PFT has obtained, it seems that the incident was mildly physical at worst.

Consider it objectively. Osweiler is six-seven, and he was wearing full pads. O’Brien is considerably shorter than that and, unlike the conventional game-day attire in baseball, was not wearing pads and a uniform.

Whatever did (or didn’t) happen between the two of them, Osweiler’s perceived overreaction to the incident was, we’re told, the moment the Texans decided to move on from Osweiler.

147 responses to “Week 17 altercation was last straw for Texans and Osweiler

  1. I recently listened to a guy on the NFL Network claim the Texans should have beaten the Patriots in Foxborough in the playoffs.

    Lol.

  2. O’Brien is a hot head. He hasn’t found a QB that he can work with in Houston. He treats every QB like crap and then denigrates them as he kicks them out the door.
    Question to Tony Romo – Do you really want to do this?

  3. It’s believable to Pats fans because, well you’ve heard of a Quarterback Whisperer – O’Brien is a Quarterback Shouter. You might say “oh, Milennials!” but younger QBs today won’t take kindly to what they’d see as completely unprofessional conduct by a coach. I wasn’t sorry to see O’Brien leave NE. Sounds like the grenade finally went off – probably after O’Brien poked a finger a tad too heavily to ignore into Brock who already has a big chip on his shoulder – and shoved O’Brien back. It wouldn’t have all been Brock otherwise we’d have heard about it from the Texans before now.

  4. So, the Texans had 2 QBs throwing tantrums in the locker room at the same time. The other players had to be shaking their heads.

  5. Talk about the pits! When Brock replaces you on the roster you know that you have really, really earned the nickname RGMinus3!

  6. I said it after his comments after Denver won the Super Bowl and he kept fixating on that he got replaced by Peyton Manning of all people that the dude wasn’t wrapped too tight. He also had a local incident here where he pushed a woman outside of a pizza place or bar or something that he explained by saying he was protecting his wife from a woman with a loud mouth (yes, always an acceptable reason to push a girl, and that’s sarcasm for you who can’t comprehend) that got just about no play from the media for some reason. There is just something off with the guy to me.

  7. Brock had the rep of saying all the right things off the field and making all the wrong reads on the field. If this is true then he truly is damaged goods. What a difference a year makes. He should be begging to find a way back to Denver for a minimum salary to rehab his career.

  8. .
    When Bill OBrien was the offensive coordinator of the Patriots, Brady and Brian Hoyer nicknamed him “teapot” because it was only a matter of time before he blew.
    .

  9. Sounds like Osweiler had a bit of a tantrum and over reacted, but O’Brien has always seemed like a bit of a hot head as well. Probably for the best not to have them on the same team.

  10. Ok folks, something not right here. Osweiler, plays okay as Mannings back up but is a total bust for the Texans and it is his fault. O’Brien, escapes all blame, really? He inherited that team and it’s awesome defense. He was tasked with fixing the offense which he can’t. Bill O’Brien is another failed product of the Belicheck(SP?) coaching tree. Guy is a hot head, arrogant head coach. Tony Romo better be careful, got to Denver, O’Brien is a QB career killer.

  11. What is it these days with mediocre QBs and a sense of entitlement? Bradford basically a bust. Demands to be traded when he has to compete for a starting job.
    Fitzpatrick career journeyman demands multi-year blockbuster deal
    Kaep mediocre QB demands to be released from contract or else

  12. Yeah, I think there’s blame on both. As the old Nebraska farmer would say, no matter how thin you make them a pancake got two sides.

    IMO, both Osweiler and O’Brien have issues. Both need to go.

  13. pardonmyjake says:
    Mar 12, 2017 11:51 AM
    my high school coach never would of tolerated that kind of selfishness
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    If the events in the article are true, then neither did the Texans. Not sure what your point was.

  14. It’s unbelievable the Texans local media are too busy writing team press releases and sucking up to the players to do any actual reporting on incidents like this. The weakest, most passive “journalists” I’ve ever seen.

  15. “Osweiler, per the source, reacted negatively, telling O’Brien in the visiting coach’s office at Nissan Stadium in Nashville that he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him. [Editor’s note: That’s sort of how football depth charts work.]”
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    Good one.

  16. I recall the story at the time of Osweiler’s signing was that they signed him without he and O’Brien ever having met?! This seems like lunacy, and if that’s true, it’s no wonder there was trouble between them.
    And while I understand Savage’s desire to play, and not be removed from the game, I hope he came to realize that the doctor might have saved him from having his eggs seriously scrambled?! Live to play another day…

  17. Osweiler is equal or better of the 10-15 QB’s the Browns have had recently…McCown, RG29, Austin Davis, Hoyer, Weeden, Derek Anderson, etc, etc…
    No doubt Osweiler was hot and bothered about being replaced, but so have many other QB’s. Brock needs to be evaluated on his playing ability and let the team psychologist handle the other stuff.

  18. This is the Millennial generation.
    They feel they are entitled to everything, without having to sacrifice, or earn anything.
    They are lazy, selfish, and have the work ethics of a rock

  19. Think about what O’Brien has had to deal with. His GM signs a QB without the coach even having an interview. Turns out to be a “not-ready-for-prime-time” player but he’s stuck with him. The team is fighting for a division title. All he hears after every game is “Why can’t you score more” and “Is Brock still your starter?”

    Yes, O’Brien is a hothead but who wouldn’t be after all this crap?

    Imagine a backup QB talking smack to Belechick . Nuff said!

  20. Well the good news for Brock after this alleged incident and the benching in Denver is that his career might be over. I don’t really see a system in which he would excel or even be ok in. So he won’t have to worry about understanding how depth charts work anymore.

  21. Johnson: You guys wear tights?
    Andrew Clark: No, we wear the required uniform.
    Johnson: Tights?
    Andrew Clark: Shut up!

  22. The rest of the team should have done everyone else a favor and let the two idiots go at it for a while.

  23. Brady was practically in tears saying “I’m sorry”
    ——————————-
    You know as much about reading lips as reading QBs. Plain as day, Brady yelled “no s–t!” at O’Brien when Teapot when made a Captain Obvious comment about a play gone bad.

    Brady could have followed up with a question about whether O’Brien had more rings, TDs, completions, yards, MVPs, and 4th quarter clutch championship drives than any QB in Super Bowl history, but being also the toughest sob in NFL history, he laughed it off with O’Brien 10 min later. GOATs have very thick skin.

  24. You get put back in the game due to injury and decide to act passive aggressive instead? That’s some Ryan Mallet BS. Just dumb.

  25. I’m not saying one side is right over the other, but O’Brien is the coach and you’re the player. Shut your mouth, and go prove it on the field that you’re better. That’s the approach to take if you’ve got pride.

    I’m not a big “this generation grew up too entitled and coddled and blah, blah, blah” guy compared to previous generations, but I think it applies here even if O’Brien has been known to be a hot head.

    You’re Brock Osweiler. You’re not Elway, Marino or Brady.

  26. weepingjebus says:
    Mar 12, 2017 11:56 AM
    I recently listened to a guy on the NFL Network claim the Texans should have beaten the Patriots in Foxborough in the playoffs.

    Lol.
    ====================================

    I’m a Pats fan. The Texans definitely could have won that game. Their defense was outstanding and if there offense had been able to step up they had an excellent shot. The final score was very misleading.

  27. Now the Browns find out…

    Any trade value the Browns might have been trying to gain from the deal, hoping to trade Osweiler, just went out the window.

    …thanks to the timely release of this nugget of information.

    Thanks, Texans!

  28. RandyinRoxbury says:
    Mar 12, 2017 11:59 AM
    Well at least Brock stood up to bully O’Brien, when O’Brien and Brady argued in 2011 Brady was practically in tears saying “I’m sorry”

    —-

    You were there, Chippy?

    I don’t think so, and we already know pretend-time is a 24 hour a day job for you.

    If you actually lived in Roxbury, they’d take care of you in about 2 seconds.

  29. O’Brien may indeed have a bit of an attitude problem but for people calling him a QB killer is way over the top.

    Pretty much all of the Texans QB’s were dead BEFORE they arrived in Houston. The one possible exception to that is Osweiler himself and if rumour is to be believed O’Brien never wanted him in the first place!

    If that teams get itself an average NFL qb they will be a really tough team to beat with that defense.

  30. What’s Bill O’Brien ever won besides the jayvee AFC South Division? Guy yells at Tom Brady like he owns a fist full of rings when he hasn’t won any. Guy has the biggest ego in the legue despite winning SQUAT.

  31. Brock may be garbage but that coach is obviously a problem as well. This isn’t the first time hes had issues with controlling one of his quarterbacks. And he’s at odds with the GM. This coach will be gone from Houston after this season.

  32. Osweiler could eventually become a good NFL QB. I remember when Tampa Bay gave up on Steve Young, and then Young went to a good organization and thrived. He won a super bowl and ended up in Canton. Atlanta gave up on Brett Favre, and Favre went to a good organization and thrived. He’s in Canton too. New England gave up on Jim Plunkett and he went to Oakland and thrived. He won two super bowls. It wasn’t as if all the other teams were trying to sign these guys either. You might think that a coach can see a super bowl winning talent when he’s right under his nose, but history proves that isn’t always the case.

  33. Fake news -or- real facts? Either way the Texans would likely have been better off not saying anything and letting the issue lie dormant in the litigious society we have now.

  34. Osweiller and Mallet sound like spoiled brats.

    Except …
    How is it that these stories only happen with Bill OBrien as the coach?

    Maybe he’s part of the problem. Maybe other coaches are better at managing players as people than he is. Even if Osweiller and Mallet are babies, it does seen odd that OBrien is the one having problems with his QBs.

  35. ketelwon says:
    Mar 12, 2017 12:09 PM
    It’s unbelievable the Texans local media are too busy writing team press releases and sucking up to the players to do any actual reporting on incidents like this. The weakest, most passive “journalists” I’ve ever seen.

    To be fair, with the possible exception of New York, the local sports “reporters” in every NFL city are basically shills for the team.

  36. I was thinking about this Osweiler situation yesterday and this news seals it for me…Bill O’Brien is THE problem! BO has a problem dealing with QB’s and it goes back to Brady when O’Brien was the offensive coordinator for the Pats. He also had his 2 top QB’s before Osweiler at each other’s throats.

    Remember Denver and Elway offered Osweiler $16 million a year….fair to say they saw greatness in the kid, like the game he won in OT over the Pats, making every big time throw and killing the Patriots on 3rd and long. I am convinced Bill O’Brien destroyed Osweiler, just as he would have done to any young QB.

    Wouldn’t it be something if the BB traded Jimmy Garoppolo for a 1st and 4th round pick AND Osweiler AND $8 million towards his 2017 salary! Belichick would love to turn the kid into a franchise QB after everyone else bailed on him. This only works of Brady is going retire after 2017.

  37. You mean that before week 17 the straw wasn’t broken? Gotta call B.S. on the insinuation that that’s what did him im. The ONLY reason they got rid of him was because they found someone who would be willing to take him. The Texans must have known almost right away that paying Osweiler as much as they did was a big mistake.

  38. The people thinking that there is no way that the Browns can trade him, the reason to do a deal is that they are allegedly willing to absorb nearly the whole contract for a pick. That would be intriguing to a team with a tight cap situation or even a team like the Jets if they think Kaepernick and Cutler aren’t a good option. A $1 million backup doesn’t exist in this league, and for everyone saying he’ll sign for that when he gets cut, he still has an agent. They won’t let him. Matt Schaub just got $9 mil on a 2 year contract. Waht did Hoyer make? I’m sure it’s more than that. So yeah, some team will be thinking long and hard about it like the Rams or Jets.

  39. Quarterbacks BillyO hasn’t gotten into an altercation or at least a shouting match with:

    End of List:

  40. shocker that yet ANOTHER disciple of Belichick fails when he leaves the womb. Little Troll McDaniels is smart to stay in the womb – he has already proven he cannot survive outside of it. The most successful NFL HC to come from Foxboro is Mangini, you know the guy who Belichick turned his back on because he went to coach for a division rival – now gee who else has done that?

  41. Pretty classless act of Hou. To pee in the pool when Clev is trying to get something for him. Great timing of the snitch.

  42. pardonmyjake says:
    Mar 12, 2017 11:51 AM
    my high school coach never would of tolerated that kind of selfishness
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    If the events in the article are true, then neither did the Texans. Not sure what your point was.

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    I think his point
    was the Texans did the right thing —

  43. .
    @julyeast

    I understand, it’s tough being a Jets fan. You have no QB, no offensive line, and a defense stocked by layabouts and check cashers. Perhaps you should sign Darrelle Revis?
    .

  44. To be fair, A few of the comments from this post need a little truthsaying here.

    The mentioned Osweiller shoving a girl pizza thing did not happen. He handled himself well considering the situation there, kept calm and got in the car/van that was waiting for him. How would any of us reacted if we were leaving a pizza joint with pizza in hand and were accosted by several people on the way to your car?

    The Osweiller being mad at the Broncos for the benching is more of a sports reporter truth than actaul truth. he was mad at the benching during the game- who wouldn’t be, but seemed to get over after the game.

    Elway offered Osweiller a ton of money- Elway didn’t have some “magical” insight to his playing abilities.

    It was more of him being given the chance to run a full, pass style offense under O’brien rather than the Kubiak style of offense. plus the better money guarantees.

    It is well known that O’Brien is a hothead, and has some near physical verbal fights with several players over the years.

    O’Brien is from a part of Mass. that produces some pretty scrappy Irishmen- not sure I would be so sure to count him out in a fight (Okay, kidding a bit on that last part)

    O’Brien has been a very successful Head Coach- b oth at the College and NFL level. To say he has been bad is unfair and untrue. you can’t measure other coaches success using Bellichick as your standard.

    I’m not defending either party, just thought the “facts” were getting a little out of hand here.

  45. ketelwon says:
    Mar 12, 2017 12:09 PM

    It’s unbelievable the Texans local media are too busy writing team press releases and sucking up to the players to do any actual reporting on incidents like this. The weakest, most passive “journalists” I’ve ever seen.

    Cleveland is up there with them. The fake QB competition caused some in the media to rave about RG III in 3 man drills. I wonder if some of the completions they noted in practice weren’t warmup tosses. Hue must have gotten 1 year from the fo because both of his favorite me players are gone.

  46. Not a fan of either guy, but If I was a coach and my QB acted like that, he would stay in the locker room and I would send out the punter to play QB if there was nobody else available.

  47. Not a Texans fan so I have no bias one way or the other but every time I’ve seen this guy being interviewed he has struck me as arrogant well beyong his actual playing ability. He’s one of these horrible players who really thinks he’d be a star if the world weren’t holding him back. Some guys really don’t get it.

  48. O’Brien is from a part of Mass. that produces some pretty scrappy Irishmen- not sure I would be so sure to count him out in a fight (Okay, kidding a bit on that last part)

    ——-

    I actually think O’Brien would wipe the floor with him. Dead serious.

  49. Texans proved that they didn’t want Osweiler after they included a 2nd round pick for the Browns to eat the contract. Nothing else to say about it.

  50. Osweiller might end up being a very good QB for the right team. He’s become a punchline at this point. I’m not a fan but I think he’ll rebound and be an effective starter somewhere.

  51. On second thought, Romo, stay away from this dumpster fire at all costs, for your own good.

    This is a coach that’s going nowhere fast, and playing for this team is a waste of time.

  52. Why are people trashing Savage? He wanted to play. Think about his history. It’s got to be frustrated. At least he wanted to get back into the game. That’s tough character. The other two-Meh

  53. cwdonald314 says:

    Any coach that acts like that should be banned for life.
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    Only in the mind of a millennial.

  54. xmatt0926x says:

    Not a Texans fan so I have no bias one way or the other but every time I’ve seen this guy being interviewed he has struck me as arrogant well beyong his actual playing ability.
    ==========================

    That’s no secret. He was arrogant to Peyton freaking Manning.

  55. wikidpissah says:
    Mar 12, 2017 12:23 PM
    weepingjebus says:
    Mar 12, 2017 11:56 AM
    I recently listened to a guy on the NFL Network claim the Texans should have beaten the Patriots in Foxborough in the playoffs.

    Lol.
    ====================================

    I’m a Pats fan. The Texans definitely could have won that game. Their defense was outstanding and if there offense had been able to step up they had an excellent shot. The final score was very misleading.

    You’re telling me. I was AT that game. Brock Osweiller has got to be one of the WORST QBs, that I have EVER seen, and I have been a fan of the game for decades. This guy had no wherewithall on the field. He had no idea what to do with the ball. This guy was useless. Had they had a competent QB, the Texans would have made the margin of victory for the Pats much closer, or maybe the Texans might have scored the upset. Osweiller was THAT BAD.

  56. John Elway is laughing his a$$ of. Bidding up the price and getting the Texans to bite.

  57. Wow, just wow. He was pissed because he was given an opportunity to play, redeem himself, and regain the starting position? How does any team sign him if this account is anywhere close to the truth?

  58. OK now you guys go sit in the corner for an hour and think about your actions. That’s what my parents used to say when put in time-out for acting up.

  59. Osweiler has always been this way since his days at Arizona State. Thats why he fell in the draft, leadership and charcter concerns have daunted him from day one.

    He’s still rich though, thats the way the NFL goes.

  60. Whenever I hear something like this, I think that there is probably a lot of blame to go around on both sides. People make mistakes though and get emotional. You gotta move on and learn from your mistakes and own up to them.

  61. Elway drafted the guy and made him a fair offer for starting qb money. But Denver wasn’t going to overpay. He might have had better success in Denver, a far more qb friendly system than O’Brien’s. But no, Texans overpaid and signed him over the phone. And there GM still has a job. SMH

  62. mrclaytonbigsby says:
    Mar 12, 2017 2:11 PM

    John Elway is laughing his a$$ of. Bidding up the price and getting the Texans to bite.

    C’mon now- that is not even remotely true. Denver is a great organization but Elway was caught with his pants down on this one.

    Osweiller was a free agent- there is no bidding up that benefited Denver. Denver offered a ton of money- it was the guaranteed money that was the primary difference.

    Osweiller was a favorite of Elway’s. From picking him through his first years as backup- he fully expected him to take over the starting role.

    Elway was so taken off guard when Osswieler left he signed Mark Sanchez. Mark Sanchez! Again- he signed Mark Sanchez!!! Are you telling me that was part of Elway’s “Master Plan”?

    Even the biggest Denver fan has to admit Elway got caught off guard here.

    I don’t know whether Brock can play or not, but he is young, went from backing up to Manning (who like Brady never lets his backup get reps), 6 starts in Denver’s Kubiak offense, to all of the pressure of expecting to be the “man” in his first year in a new organization in a more complex quarterback scheme.

    Lots of good and great quarterbacks stunk it up their first years, but one thing for certain is he was never going to be able to turn it around in Houston next season- he had to go.

  63. “If my boss says I am needed I tend to think thats a good thing”.

    You would not think that if your boss had said you were not needed a week earlier. And if your boss was asking you to risk your career for no personal gain. And especially if your IQ was probably 50 points higher than your boss.

  64. mrclaytonbigsby says:
    Mar 12, 2017 2:11 PM
    John Elway is laughing his a$$ of. Bidding up the price and getting the Texans to bite.

    ————

    After watching Siemian and Lynch last season it is more likely that Elway is simply not a good judge of QB talent…..

  65. I’m not saying one side is right over the other, but O’Brien is the coach and you’re the player

    I’ll say it. Anybody who doesn’t understand who’s wrong in this instance will struggle in many aspects of life.

  66. This reminds me of that TV commercial: they told me I bought the wrong insurance policy–no, I bought from the wrong insurance COMPANY.

    Glad we got something in trade for Osweiler, who played terrible most of the season, but this is where the Texans should have realized, we fired the wrong quarterback COACH! O’Brien has been particularly bad at managing his temper and it has gotten the team into a lot of trouble with (a lot of) quarterbacks.

    (Opinion of a Texans fan who pays pretty close attention to the team.)

  67. isleptwithoj says:
    Mar 12, 2017 2:50 PM
    Elway drafted the guy and made him a fair offer for starting qb money. But Denver wasn’t going to overpay. He might have had better success in Denver, a far more qb friendly system than O’Brien’s. But no, Texans overpaid and signed him over the phone. And there GM still has a job. SMH
    ——————————
    Denver wasn’t going to overpay?!?! Elway offered Brock a $64M 4-year deal. What’s your idea of not overpaying? As for maybe having better success in Denver, Brock the Texan won a division title, a playoff game and had a chance to beat the Pats.

  68. @abninf says – “Only in the mind of a millenial”.

    You do understand that most millienials are at least three times as smart as you are? Did your middle school math classes include calculus? Were you taking several years of German or Chinese in high school? I didn’t think so.

  69. Ever think the coach was the issue. Denver wanted to keep Osweiler, just not at his asking price. The guys there seemed to like him and he did pretty well in the offense. How many QBs has Houston gone through since O’Brien arrived? He’s gotten the same winning results as Kubiak did there. Tell you what,having Belichick as a boss and Brady as a quarterback makes many a guy look like geniuses…which doesn’t ring true.

  70. Osweiler was upset that the Broncos started Peyton Manning (one of the best QBs of all time) instead of him. Clearly Osweiler has an over-inflated sense of his own ability. Peyton Manning himself would not have reacted the way Osweiler did. He knows his place, as a player. The coach is the one who decides which player plays and when.

  71. TheWizard says – “I’ll say it. Anyone who doesn’t understand who’s wrong in this instance will struggle in many aspects of life”.

    I’ll say it. Anyone with your opinion will be a useful toady in most aspects of life.

  72. Denver did not think he was worth the money when he left as a free agent. It would be unlikely that they would trade for him now, after his mediocre performance in Houston. I think Denver is waiting for Tony Romo to be released. I think they would rather sign Colin Kaepernick than to sign either Jay Cutler (another washed-up prima donna) or Brock Osweiler.

  73. A lot of you guys are commenting as if this comes down to the one incident. B O’B stuck by him for most of the season while he made the same mistakes over and over. The guy was done with Osweiller! So he asks him to finish the game like a pro and he gets that? Good riddance to bad attitude and even worse play!

  74. TheWizard says:
    Mar 12, 2017 3:14 PM

    I’m not saying one side is right over the other, but O’Brien is the coach and you’re the player

    I’ll say it. Anybody who doesn’t understand who’s wrong in this instance will struggle in many aspects of life.

    i would largely agree with you. However, i am self employed, have been for 25 plus years. The main reason I started my own business was when I realized my “bosses” had no interest in my well being, period. the NFL is ripe with such things, and with the short earning potential and lifelong body breakdown every player has to be a little selfish.

    i am not saying this was the case here, but there is a lot of naive Ra Ra Knute Rockne style talk on hear

    See RGIII/ Shanahan, or Gronk/NE, or even Brady using his own doctors, surgeons, and rehab specialist after his knee injury.

  75. What free agent in their right mind would want to play for Obrien knowing his track record with players and with Brock in this situation? He’s been terrible with QBs since he arrived. I understand hes coach and the boss in regards to the players but you have to be able to finesse players at times and have the social skills to motivate and keep players heads in the game. You cant just play tyrant and expect players to respond positively. This isnt high school ball.

    I wouldnt want him as my coach.

  76. The one thing in common with all of O’Brien’s failed QB relationships is a bad head coach.

    These are grown men with guaranteed money who should be treated with a certain level of respect if you want any shot at effectively leading them.

    Both people were wrong in this incident.

    Brock has 1 year of offensive failure. O’Brien is going into year 4 of offensive failure. 5 million a year makes him an absolute bust of a head coach signing.

  77. I think the Texans may end up like the 49ers and lose the coach who turned things around unless they give him all the support and control he needs.I don’t know why Bob McNair gets credit for being a great owner.

  78. cwdonald314 says:
    Mar 12, 2017 12:04 PM
    Any coach that acts like that should be banned for life.

    52 206
    ________________

    So I guess we should rename the Lombardi Trophy.

  79. O’Brien touts himself as an elite Quarterback evaluator/Developer and he is in a sense other than the fact that he does not have the soft skills to get the best out of any QB for extended periods of time.

  80. My takeaway from this is that the Texans locker room is a disaster. If that’s how their presumed “leaders” are behaving it’s a miracle they won as often as they did last year.

    JJ needs to throw some guys against a wall and knock some professionalism into them.

  81. I don’t know. I understand why Osweiler was upset, O’Brian isn’t known for being a nice guy. If he’ll scream at tom Brady he’ll scream at anybody.

    I’m not trying to make any excuses for Osweiler’s play, but I would be lying if I said I didn’t think his relationship with O’Brian made things worse for both of them on the field. His reaction was a bit selfish but I don’t think O’Brian is blameless in how he handled his quarterback last year.

  82. Also just wanted to say that all of people are saying Brock was mad because he didn’t want to play are wrong. Osweiler clearly had the wrong attitude, but his problem wasn’t with playing, it was with playing for O’Brian. I agree, he should check his ego considering how he played this year, but if he thinks O’Brian is part of the reason for it or if O’Brian trashed him when he pulled the starting gig from him, I can understand how Osweiler could be miffed at playing now when he was suddenly needed.

    Again, I do not support Osweiler’s reaction but I think O’Brian deserves a lot of blame with how everything turned out. Not to say he’s not smart, but I do mean to say that he has absolutely no finesse in dealing with people who disagree with him.

  83. If osweiler and obrien had this huge fight in week 17, why the heck did obiren then turn around and start him in the wildcard playoff game the next week?

  84. knowspinzone says:

    So I guess we should rename the Lombardi Trophy.

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    Oh- that’s a good one Mr. knowspinzone

  85. So now we can confirm that Brock is, at the very least, 0-2. Loss #1 being to that pizza box in Scottsdale, and now to a 50 something year old man….c’mon man!

  86. O’Brien is a moron.

    You ever watch him call a game?
    It’s 3rd and 8 on the Houston 42, with 36 seconds left in the half and we’re down 14. He’ll call a 5 yard screen that MIGHT get you 6 yards if you’re lucky.

    He definitely fell far, real far, from the Belichick tree.

    Houston will never go anywhere with him at the helm.

  87. Actually, the truth in this situation is this: O’Brien lured Osweiler into a private office at the end of half time. He wouldn’t let him out of the office. Osweiler asked him to please let him out repeatedly and O’Brien told him he wasn’t going anywhere and that he didn’t care if he got fired over this. It took two attempt for Houston employees to free Osweiler from the office. While being trapped in there and held against his will, O’Brien shoved Osweiler down into chairs and a desk. O’Brien went out on the field and lied to the staff and said that he was struck by Osweiler. The staff, knowing the hot head of O’Brien and the upstanding character of Mr. Osweiler, knew it was a lie. The incident was immediately reported to the GM, the owner, and to Mr. Osweiler’s agents. Mr. Osweiler could have filed charges against O’Brien but chose to try and forget the incident. This is a pattern for O’Brien…remember Tom Brady for one? Not only should O’Brien have been fired, he should have gone to jail. Brock Osweiler was the innocent in this matter. Texas did him a huge favor by trading him. I’m sure no one is happier for the trade then Mr. Osweiler.

  88. This altercation was the last straw?
    Maybe the Texans organization wants to tell themselves that, but Texans fans were ready to cut the ties to Brock 10 or 12 games into the season, when everybody could see that he wasn’t going to be the answer.
    The trade with Cleveland was a good deal for the Texans, altercation or no altercation.

  89. The team struggled in all phases and non of which were Osweiler’s fault. And after the altercation Rick Smith promised to fire O’Brien. um? 9 starters in 3 years makes for a bad coach and not a bad QB. O’Brien is a horrendous coach and human being. Osweiler was never given the development or support to be successful there. Just like the 8 before him.

  90. @tonebones:

    To be fair, in Steve Young’s time with the Buccaneers, the offensive line was a sieve. They didn’t really give up on Young, Young was tired of getting killed and rightfully looked to bail.

  91. Two QB’s: Matt McGloin and Christian Hackenberg. Bill ain’t that great producing NFL quarterbacks. Should have stayed at Penn State. But then again, we don’t want that sh-t show here either.

  92. I don’t buy it for one second. If there were anything like a “physical confrontation” that they had to be restrained, we would have heard about it for days afterwards. My guess is it was strictly verbal. I also think they were planning on going into the next season with Brock but Cleveland came along and gave them a way out. If Cleveland doesn’t offer it, they don’t do that trade and they certainly don’t cut him with $19M counting against the cap if they do.

  93. Bill O’Brien fears no QB, not even the Tom Brady.. Remember in 2011, O’Brien was going after Brady on the sideline… ha ha

  94. If this article is true, Brock might look back on that day as beginning of the end of his career. Getting traded to Cleveland pretty much signals that you are on your way down. Was it worth it Brock?

  95. RandyinRoxbury says:
    Mar 12, 2017 11:59 AM

    Well at least Brock stood up to bully O’Brien, when O’Brien and Brady argued in 2011 Brady was practically in tears saying “I’m sorry”
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    Sounds like Brock should have done the same if Tom’s career and life success since that date is any guide.

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