Malcolm Butler wants out of New England, reportedly

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The Patriots didn’t trade cornerback Malcolm Butler to the Saints. But that doesn’t mean Butler will be a member of the Patriots in 2017.

Mike Giardi of CSN New England reports that Butler is “extremely frustrated” by the team’s refusal to sign him to a long-term deal and their decision to give big money to cornerback Stephon Gilmore. Butler is, per Giardi, “courting offers elsewhere” and “wants [a] new home.”

That’s fine, but any team that signs Butler to an offer sheet will be required to give up a first-round pick if/when the Patriots choose not to match it. Which means that he likely won’t be signed to an offer sheet.

Before Butler would sign an offer sheet, he’d need an offer sheet that he wants to sign. As recently noted here, Butler apparently wants to be paid like an unrestricted free agent, not like a guy who is still one year away from unrestricted free agency. To get a long-term deal now, Butler would get less than Gilmore, A.J. Bouye, or any other free agent makes it to the open market without limitation or restriction.

If/when a team and Butler determine based on discussions that currently are permitted regarding an offer sheet that they can find a middle ground, Butler’s potential new team could try to trade for him, giving up something less than a first-round pick.

Even then, the fact that Butler’s new team would have to give up anything to get him necessarily would make the new team even less likely to give Butler market value.

And so it very well may be that Butler will spend one more year with the Patriots at $3.91 million, leaving as an unrestricted free agent in 2018, and getting market value. Assuming he finishes the year healthy and effective.

138 responses to “Malcolm Butler wants out of New England, reportedly

  1. Makes sense. The genius of this is now a team has to offer a 1st rd pick.

    lol

    Genius.

    Absolute genius.

    It’s a shame the kid got misled by his agent, but these entitled Millennials are hard to deal with, apparently.

    Sign the tender, Malcom and BB will deal you off to a horrible place.

  2. He’s delusional. He wants Gilmore money starting now. He isn’t half as talented as Gilmore, and wouldn’t get that contract even without someone having to give up a pick.

    If he were an UFA, he’d get Logan Ryan money. Pats have made him fair proposals before his agent held firm and then they went and got Gilmore. Window is closed in NE for a long term deal, at least for now.

    Best bet is to play one year at 3.9M and then he’ll be a 28 year old UFA.

  3. I guess winning gets old.

    He and his agent were asking for too much. Of course, Gilmore is making waaaaay too much and he’s not even as good as Butler. I would rather have Butler than Gilmore.

  4. Butler is his agent’s only client. For a situation like this, he’d be much better served by representation that’s more connected to front offices and has a better grasp of the market.

    What’s “fair” isn’t what he’s going to get due to his RFA status. Butler needs viable solutions and bigger thinking, not wishful thinking from an agent that’s a little over his head.

  5. It’s amazing that the pats are so successful despite treating their players like disposable pieces of garbage. It’s quite impressive and I don’t think any other team can get away with operating like that

  6. They did him dirty but he should’ve been better prepared. He had no leverage and the Pats aren’t going to just give in. He will go down in history wherever he winds up. Good luck to him!

  7. This’ll prob be his agent. Someone needs to get Butler away from his movie agent (who is also now handling his NFL contract despite a lack of experience) because he hasn’t explained to him the difference between UFA and RFA. Pats have already tendered a decent-enough contract and as far as they are concerned it’s up to other teams to better it before ANY further contract talks. The last thing Butler needs is to develop a Devonta Freeman-like reputation of demanding money at the wrong time.

  8. Well escalated quickly.

    Too bad, wish things worked out differently for him, seems like a good dude who has done things the right way to date.

    He’s had offers for long term money on the table from the Pat’s, as recently as last year, but his agent has sort of played hardball a bit too much given his clients position. I get he’s talented and has outplayed his contract level, but by rules he is a restricted FA yet he wants unrestricted FA money. Sorry; it just doesn’t work hat way.

    I’ll see what happens with Gilmore, not that crazy about the signing and payday, but he’s younger and tough to judge him off considering I watch the GOAT pick their defense apart.

    Still a weird ending to this fairytale player story. Given the Pat’s position with Brady at QB, Hopefully Butler does play the year at 3.9 and their defense would be sick with both Gilmore and Butler.

  9. All Pats fans love Malcolm Butler and have a special place in their memories for him. I too would love to see MB get a bigger payday…..unfortunately for him, the front office holds all the cards here, and sentimentality won’t change what they do financially.

  10. Bruh. It doesn’t work like that. You are in the claws of a ruthless, yet extremely successful coach who does what he thinks is best for the Patriots. Obviously, he felt the other guy justified the cash and not you.

    Be quiet, don’t act like a scorned lover and DO YOUR JOB

  11. Butler needs to understand one thing. The Patriots do not care what he thinks. They run their organization the way they want to run it and it doesn’t matter who the player is — if they want to get rid of you, they’ll do that, too.
    The Patriots are the best running franchise in the NFL because they know how to handle player contracts and they know how to teach them to play within their system.
    If Butler were to leave, I have no doubt that the Pats would plug someone else in and keep on trucking.

  12. Agent seems like an idiot, but I don’t blame MB. He’s been to the top of the mountain twice, now he wants to get paid. Good for him.

    Thanks for being a Patriot, man.

  13. Thought Butler could be “Tagged” for 2018. If so he would be making good money in 2018 and could he not be tagged one more time ala Cousins?

  14. Huge mistake by NE to not resign Butler before FA started.

    No one is going to surrender a 1st Round for him.

    Butler is a excellent CB that deserved to be paid, but not as 1st Round talent and maybe his agent has helped create this fiasco.

  15. “It’s amazing that the pats are so successful despite treating their players like disposable pieces of garbage.”

    Except that’s about as far from reality as possible you might have something.

    They took this guy who was working at Popeyes and gave him a chance. He’s made well over a million dollars already and he’ll make almost 4 million this year as an RFA. How is that “treating someone like garbage” ?

    And you can’t pay an RFA like a UFA or your whole cap management system breaks down.

    This is being exacerbated by an inexperienced agent giving him bad advice. The guys is a personal injury lawyer who is doing sports management “as a hobby” and clearly wants a big payday for himself as more important than servicing the player properly.

  16. As a Patriots fan, no player is bigger than the system, but Bill is really testing his luck. As much of a genius as he is, you can only fill so many departures so many times.

    Butler and Hightower leaving would be a big hit, no matter who they are able to draft. Work something out to make Butler happy for the time being and then deal him next year when you’re confident in your reshaped secondary with Gilmore and the rookie selection.

  17. jr325 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 10:51 AM
    It’s amazing that the pats are so successful despite treating their players like disposable pieces of garbage. It’s quite impressive and I don’t think any other team can get away with operating like that
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    because players always show such loyalty to their teams when another team offers a little more guaranteed money up front.

  18. He’s not going to give him the same deal as Gilmore.

    1. He’s not nearly as good
    2. They’ve got him for 1 year at 3.9, so that has to be factored in.

    Pats didn’t get to be pats by being sentimental and paying players astronomical sums out of personal affection.

  19. For anything to move forward here, Butler has to sign his tender. If the Patriots can convince Butler’s rookie agent that they would operate in good faith for him, they could trade him into an enviable situation where he could negotiate a long term contract.

    The Patriots aren’t going to accept anything less than a 1st rounder for him, which is why they tendered him at that level.

    Otherwise, stay with the Pats and play your best, accepting that you’ll make 3.91 million this year in order to be unrestricted next year. You’ll then probably get the 13-14 million per year you’re looking for.

  20. To further complicate/frustrate matters, after 2017 Pats *could* franchise tag him for the 2018 season….delaying his UFA status even more. He’d get paid well for one year under the tag, but no long term deal.

  21. I love Malcolm for the Super Bowl interception but I must be in the minority who feels this guy is not a shut down corner. He is too small. But he is a solid corner and would love for the Pats to keep him.

  22. None of us know what passed between Butler’s agent and the Patriots or what his agent is saying to him but there are a few obvious facts anyone can see:

    He is not a FA, he is a RESTRICTED FA.

    He played for less last year than he could have.

    He will probably make less this year than he should and those 2 years worth of non earnings are going to be hard to recoup.

    People can talk all they want about the Pats being cheap when it comes to paying defensive backs but they paid McCourty and they just paid Gilmore. Perhaps the Pats are playing overly hard ball but it’s not outside the realm of possibility that Butler may be aggravated with the wrong party. At the very least you have to wonder what kind of advice he is getting since he turned down a big raise last year and somehow he still doesn’t seem to understand RFA ≠ FA when it comes to negotiations.

  23. I like this kid, but I think he’s overplayed his hand here.

    It’s too bad – these guys listen so intently to their agents and allow themselves to get all worked up over something they perceive to be a personal slight, when in fact it is just business.

    I hope he comes around. He could competed for another ring and write his own ticket next year. I’d hate to see him rot away with some bottom-feeder team.

  24. I understand that Butler wants to be paid like he’s an unrestricted free agent. But he’s not a UFA. He’s a restricted free agent. And he’s going to be paid like one. Belichick isn’t going to give him an extra $10M/year when he doesn’t have to.
    Part of the problem here is that Butler has a buddy with no pro experience acting as his agent. A more experienced agent would sit Butler down and tell him that he”s asking for too much. Butler has no leverage here. The only way to get to the promised land of a Big Contract is to play one more year. Sorry! But businesses don’t pay a player extra money just because they like a guy. A better agent would explain that.

  25. I honestly understand his motivation. He has made 1.8 million to date but he needs to play the 1 year deal. Then he’ll get paid some team is going to give him 12-16 guaranteed on that contract.

  26. I doubt they’d want to franchise a slightly better than mediocre malcontent with an overinflated opinion of himself.

    Let him hit UFA and see that his value isn’t what he thought it was.

  27. NFL players can be so ungrateful, not all of the them but some. Butler was an undrafted player that no one seemed to take an interest in but the Patriots, who gave him a chance to play and eventually it paid off big. Not saying Butler won’t get his big pay day which may or may not be deserved in the long run, if his play stays at a high level. At this point I think the Patriots would be glad if someone signs this immature man to an offer , with a 1st round draft pick as compensation. Sorry Malcolm, close to 4 million dollars is more than most hard working Americans can ever make in a lifetime and remember, your a restricted free agent and there is a big difference. Grow up kid or spit in the face of those who gave you the chance to a be a rich man, because your not the only one responsible for your team’s success.

  28. Belichick is in the “win by any means necessary” business. He doesn’t care about your feelins, bank account or your first born. Frankly, it’s beautiful to watch.

  29. The Pats are sucessful because they are all business. The front office can be cold blooded when it comes to players, but thats how you win rings. Heck, the Pats are ruthless on ever aspect of the game.

  30. For anything to move forward here, Butler has to sign his tender. If the Patriots can convince Butler’s rookie agent that they would operate in good faith for him, they could trade him into an enviable situation where he could negotiate a long term contract.

    The Patriots aren’t going to accept anything less than a 1st rounder for him, which is why they tendered him at that level.

    Otherwise, stay with the Pats and play your best, accepting that you’ll make 3.91 million this year in order to be unrestricted next year. You’ll then probably get the 13-14 million per year you’re looking for.

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    Pretty much.

    I bet the sticking point was the years, as much as it was the annual salary.

    Sad he’s been so misled by his agent.

    I knew once Hightower and Butler didn’t sign deals before the season, it had nothing to do with NE not wanting to sign them or budget for them.

    As BB said “you can’t be afraid of FA”..So, he’s essentially calling both players’ bluffs, which is actually accurate.

    Hightower got the tires kicked in Tenn and now is thinking the Jets can compete as they “rebuild” in their hell.

    BB protects himself with a 1st rd pick if a team wants to deal for Butler, while already having Butler’s replacement, simply because Butler stupidly hired some family friend personal injury lawyer out of Mississippi.

    I feel for the kid, but it’s also pretty dumb when you’re a RFA, not a true FA.

    They played their hand, BB has a right to play his.

  31. I would love to see Butler earn a honest ring without cheating. Of course it will be harder when you do not know the offensive play calls but can be done. I do have evidence backing me up due to patriots caught cheating twice in the last decade for cheating.

  32. Who is the better player, Butler or Gilmore?
    Who has a better agent, Butler or Gilmore?

    See the real problem here? One agent made it happen, the other one has spit the bit to the detriment of his client.

    Patriots gave Butler a chance and developed him with the greatest coaching staff in the league. The Patriots were the only team to give him a chance and now he has two Superbowl rings and a chance to cash in next year…

    The Patriots have given him EVERTHING and now he is a millionaire as a result. I am not crying for him or the team, it’s a win win win situation and he has the opportunity to be both a millionaire and compete for a third Superbowl ring – how is that a “problem”?

    Blame the Patriots that he signed his rookie contract? He should be saying “thank you”. Get some perspective man.

    I am getting weary of all of this trolling of the Patriots about Butler.

    This thing will work its way out and by May or June or August we will have forgotten all about this mini tempest in a teapot and we will be daydreaming about Brady winning 6 of 8. Good problems to have, indeed.

  33. Remember when we thought that Chandler Jones was sent to Arizona because there is no way to be able to afford him, Hightower, Butler and Collins.
    That appeared clever.
    Then we ship Collins out of town due to lack of effort. Well we had our point somewhere.
    That seemed understandable.
    We got away with it. (SBLI)
    Now we alienated Butler. Well he wants too much money in this stage of his contract. There was an offer on the table last year which was refused.
    We understand the business part of this sport, at least.

    But if Hightower will sign in the end with the Yests, I for one, surely will feel very disappointed in our GM.
    His only leeway is that our HC has his back.

  34. He is a product of the Patriots system. Some team will overpay for him and regret the decision later.

  35. His agent should not have forced Belichick to get Gilmore. Could have had more guaranteed money than playing a year for 3.9 and risking serious injury.

    Pats gave a nobody a shot, kept him around and coached him up, he worked hard and earned a big payoff with even more potential. No one owes anyone anything here. It’s a ruthlessly honorable business deal that both parties signed.

  36. Didn’t Samuel have a similar situation years ago and then he was sent off to the Eagles? Whatever happened to him smh?

    Samuel was franchise tagged for one season and then he signed with the Eagles. He had some good seasons with the Eagles and then finished his career in Atlanta.

  37. The Pats are just using the rules as written. He is restricted, so the best he can hope for is some team willing to pay him big money (and willing to give up the pick). Then, he would get the money either way, whether the Pats match or not. No reason the Pats should pay more than they need to if some other team doesn’t sign him to an offer.

  38. Move on with this , play this year in NE, show out, FA next year. If you really want to leave and chase the money then play your butt off this year, and you will get paid. You got the ring, respect, NFL highlight real forever and ever. MB that was one heck of a play my man and I will never forget it. No matter how this turns out.

  39. People need to remember that playing better doesn’t automatically translate to making more money. Amendola has been getting more money than Edelman for years, even though he’s at the bottom of the depth chart and Edelman’s at the top.

  40. jchipwood says:
    Mar 13, 2017 11:15 AM
    I would love to see Butler earn a honest ring without cheating. Of course it will be harder when you do not know the offensive play calls but can be done. I do have evidence backing me up due to patriots caught cheating twice in the last decade for cheating.
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    Roger? That you?

    When are you coming to Gillette? Is Teddy Wells coming too?

  41. I can’t BILLieve that signed Gilmore to a $65 million deal would upset Malcom Butler and his $3.9 million deal. I expect the Pats will trade Butler. Also, as a Bills season tickeholder, expect Gilmore to be good but not great.

  42. It’s understandable how frustrated he is, but he’s only hurting himself by not “playing ball” for one more year. The agent definitely isn’t advising him well.

  43. jchipwood says:
    Mar 13, 2017 11:15 AM
    I would love to see Butler earn a honest ring without cheating. Of course it will be harder when you do not know the offensive play calls but can be done. I do have evidence backing me up due to patriots caught cheating twice in the last decade for cheating.
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    Not one thing you just stated is factual. Yet, here you are again frothing at the mouth for another Patriots column that you have no business interjecting on. You have more issues than a playboy collection. Get help my friend.

  44. jchipwood says:
    Mar 13, 2017 11:15 AM
    I would love to see Butler earn a honest ring without cheating.

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    He has two now so he is set for that. Now he is thinking he wants the big money and is even willing to play for the Dolphins for it if he has to.

  45. Fans hate when this happens but most people just don’t seem to understand its a business to both the teams and the players.

    In this case the pats hold ALL the cards. No else can afford to sign him. He can’t afford to sit out the year, which is the only option he has if he doesn’t sign the tender. Its very possible that this will go down exactly the way it did with Mankins a few years ago, where he sits out for a while and then decides to sign his tender just in time for the SB run. They really won’t need him much until the end of the season.

    The only bad thing that could happen is if the pats decide to trade him, that would be a mistake, but whatever they do and happens, butler will have very little say in it.

  46. He most definitely should get money he’s been the Patriots best cornerback for a while now and yes he is better than Gilmore I don’t know why you Patriot fans think Stephon Gilmore is so great he is average and he small he had one good year and buffalo and now he’s great do your football research

  47. .

    Boy, I can’t wait for New England to wish they had butler instead of Gilmore. You people are delusional if you think A.) Gilmore was worth that money, and B.) that he will suddenly become better in NE. The guy is soft. Has terrible ball skill and even worse hands if he somehow does track the ball. He’ll be hurt by week 3. I’d honestly, as a Bills fan, trade our first round pick to NE for Butler just to watch the look on their faces when he superceeds Gilmores expectations. Seriously, Gilmore is more overrated than Revis.

  48. The Patriots did offer him a long term contract and it was a nice fair one to both sides, but he turned it down. If the assumption was that the Pats would probably respond by overpaying him thats was not a good calculation.

    At this point his agent has screwed the pooch and its tough to save face. To simply come back and agree to a fair deal with the Patriots would be a loss of face since he told his client he could break them. He needs to get something beyond what he is in any position to ask for or he cant justify having led Butler to this point. Now even just signing the tender might blow up in his face.

    The best case scenario would be if we suddenly heard that Butler had fired his agent and hooked up with a more experienced agency who immefiately turned around and negotiated a decent RFA level contract to keep him with the Pats long term.

    If he holds out to sign that final week just before regular season (because taking the year off hurts him even more) he will start on opening day but in another uniform, if I was guessing I would say Cleveland.

  49. Butler’s expectations are just not with the reality of being a restricted free agent. The Patriots could do a long term deal, but that deal would have to be in line with him getting paid $4 million for 2017. I could see a 5-year deal paying him $11 million for 2018 to 2021 and $4 million for 2017 or $48 million for 5 years. It’s not $10 million per year, but he’s not an unrestricted free agent. The other option now is letting his agent work out a deal with an NFC team where the Patriots get a first round pick (they would promise not to match).

  50. Come on Malcolm, get with the program…Gilmore has been in the NFL for at least a year longer than you. You turned down a long term deal last year, now it’s on you to play this out by the rules. Play for $4 million in 2017, keep your top 10 corner status and get your $14 million a year, 5 year, $40 million guaranteed money in 2018.

    The Patriots don’t owe you anymore than what they have paid you…and they don’t have the obligation to help you cut corners on the contract guidelines. Grow up and play this out like every other NFL player.

    You seem to forget that BB gave you your chance when no other team would. And maybe you would not be as successful working in a different system on another team…BB has made players much better and allowed them to hit their jackpot with the Pats or not.

    BB has no desire to hurt your career..he knows something you seem to forget…that one way or another you will make big dollars in 2018…all you have to do is play for $4 million in 2017…

    Malcolm …dump your agent!! He has already hurt your carreer more than you think!

  51. rabidbillsfan says:
    Mar 13, 2017 11:36 AM
    .

    Boy, I can’t wait for New England to wish they had butler instead of Gilmore. You people are delusional if you think A.) Gilmore was worth that money, and B.) that he will suddenly become better in NE. The guy is soft. Has terrible ball skill and even worse hands if he somehow does track the ball. He’ll be hurt by week 3. I’d honestly, as a Bills fan, trade our first round pick to NE for Butler just to watch the look on their faces when he superceeds Gilmores expectations. Seriously, Gilmore is more overrated than Revis.
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    If you were offering your first round pick and Butler signed the offer sheet that deal would go through very quickly.

  52. sparxx2157 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 11:32 AM
    ….. I don’t know why you Patriot fans think Stephon Gilmore is so great he is average and he small…
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    I don’t see many Pats fans on this site saying that Gilmore is great. I think most are saying we trust Belichick’s judgement in believing Gilmore will be effective as a #1 CB. Belichick is not always right, but it is a well-documented fact that Belichick is right more often than anyone else running a football team at this time and, arguably, at any time.

    As far as Gilmore being small is concerned, he is listed as 2 inches taller than Butler, and is considered to be a CB with good “length” (length in the football sense). So, if Gilmore is small, what is Butler?

  53. @ BobbyHanks63 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 11:10 AM

    NFL players can be so ungrateful, not all of the them but some. Butler was an undrafted player that no one seemed to take an interest in but the Patriots, who gave him a chance to play and eventually it paid off big. Not saying Butler won’t get his big pay day which may or may not be deserved in the long run, if his play stays at a high level. At this point I think the Patriots would be glad if someone signs this immature man to an offer ,
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    Go back to the basement! Let’s get one thing clear…most Americans are not playing in the NFL, so stop with that insane logic.
    So he’s immature because he wants to be paid more $$ and receive a guarantee? If he ruptures his Achilles during some workout (see Washington CB), he’s going to miss that opportunity to make money.

  54. rabidbillsfan says:
    Mar 13, 2017 11:36 AM
    …..
    Boy, I can’t wait for New England to wish they had butler instead of Gilmore…
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    If you were really a rabid Bills fan then I would imagine the thing you really “can’t wait for” would be the Bills becoming competitive again.

  55. I’d rather stay in NE for less long-term $ and a chance at a 3rd ring. But that’s just me….

  56. jchipwood says:
    Mar 13, 2017 11:15 AM

    “patriots caught cheating twice in the last decade for cheating”
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    English language 1
    Chippy 0

    Thanks again for throwing batting practice for us Chippy.

  57. He’s getting ahead of himself. You don’t pay someone for 2 seasons of work, no matter what! That’s how you end up with Colin Kaepernick signing a $126 million contract after starting only 23 games in 2 seasons… The Patriots would never set a precedent like that. They follow the rules of the CBA, and they follow the rules that if you play well, they’ll pay you as much as they humanly can. Butler needs to get over himself.

  58. Here is a good comparison for all the BB haters out there….

    Dont’a Hightower came out of the U.of Alabama as an All American and a 2 time BCS champion…and he was a FIRST ROUND draft pick!

    In his first 4 years in the NFL, he made $7.7 million. After the 2017 season, Butler, an undrafted walk on that BB gave a chance to, will have made $6 million. Both players will get a $50-60 million contract in their 5TH YEAR!!!!!!

    Still think Butler has been taken advantage of? Why should Butler get to cut the corner by one year?

  59. I said this yesterday and Pats fans didn’t want to hear it. Bill B is a genius but butler will be gone. He won’t play under the tender. Why would he?? You just paid a corner from your division rival top dollar. He will be traded or he will sit. I expect them and new Orleans to be doing business soon. Just because you’re the patriots doesn’t mean players are going to play for a 10th of what they are worth.

  60. The best thing to do is sign the tender and be quiet…because you pouted, you’ll be traded by end of season now…to a door mat…just in time to kill your value lol…you’ll get traded to CLE for a 2nd round, have your worst year on a bad team, then hit the free agent market with deteriorated value…or…your agent screwed you…should’ve kept quiet played for a good team for $4M…and head into free agency with a solid market value

  61. datdude84 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 12:16 PM
    I said this yesterday and Pats fans didn’t want to hear it. Bill B is a genius but butler will be gone. He won’t play under the tender. Why would he?? You just paid a corner from your division rival top dollar. He will be traded or he will sit. I expect them and new Orleans to be doing business soon. Just because you’re the patriots doesn’t mean players are going to play for a 10th of what they are worth.

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    You are right he wont play for the Patriots under the tender this year because if it comes to that he will be a Brown. His best case scenario is getting offered a fair for RFA contract if he signs and then it has to be seen if he is smart enough to take it. (His agent clearly isnt so it would have to be Butler himself)

  62. I’m sorry, but Pats fans who say Butler is better than Gilmore are wrong. I don’t blame you for standing up for your guy, but Gilmore would be considered a number one corner on any team in the NFL outside of Denver, Arizona, and Seattle. Butler would not be. Unless you know something that BB doesn’t, of course. Plus Butler has a vulnerability to losing his temper.

    That’s why Butler did not get a long term from Belichick. If BB and the Pats thought he was better than Gilmore, do you really think they would go out into free agency and break a monster deal for the other guy? Butler can be a solid number two or a number one on needy teams, but he’s not worth a first round pick. Belichick will keep both of his corners or will fleece a stupid team into giving him a 1st rounder for one year of Malcolm Butler.

  63. People always want to turn these things personal, when it’s all just business. NE runs a very smart business model, they don’t give away leverage. Period.

  64. jr325 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 10:51 AM
    It’s amazing that the pats are so successful despite treating their players like disposable pieces of garbage. It’s quite impressive and I don’t think any other team can get away with operating like that
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    Sorry, but your comment isn’t accurate. The Patriots are so successful because they realize this is business. No player coming to NE should think that when(not “if” in most cases) they are traded, release, or demoted, that they are more than a piece of the puzzle that makes NE the BEST. They develop comraderies and it isn’t always easy, but to be this successful as a player, coach, and organization requires a complete focus on the goal – WIN the SUPER BOWL. I’m sure BB develops some strong ties with many(Vince, Mike Vrabel, etc), but that’s how you win.
    You are correct in that there aren’t very many teams that can operate this way, although many are more diverse in their treatment of their players.
     

  65. Bill negotiates tough but fair. There is no one tougher than Logan Mankins and Bill never gave in to his threats in negotiations. Clearly, Bill both appreciated him as a player and a person but that didn’t impact negotiations.

  66. datdude84 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 12:16 PM
    …… Just because you’re the patriots doesn’t mean players are going to play for a 10th of what they are worth.
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    You do know that Butler will be making $3.91 million under the 1st round tender right? That makes you the first person on this site I have seen suggest that Butler should actually be making $39 million+ per season.

    You must be Butler’s agent. No wonder the Pats were not able to extend Butler before the season, and you have not yet found a team willing to pay Butler’s asking price.

    On a slightly more serious note. This is the way RFA tenders work. Every team does it but it is only big news when the Pats do it because, apparently, the Pats are the only relevant team in the NFL.

  67. Again, we don’t know what Butler’s agent’s negotiation position is (although it clearly appears to be to get paid like an unrestricted free agent or, at least, more than Bill is willing to pay) never mind Butler’s personal position.

  68. Butler is from the deep South so New Orleans should have been a good fit. It appears Butler’s agent would not accept what they were willing to pay (which would be impacted by their also having to cough up a draft pick).

  69. Hey Butler, lots of Pats fans now want you out of NE too.

    #shouldhavesignedoffer #youhavenoleverage #4millionwasaraise #oneyeartooearlytogetpaid

    Never heard anyone says a bad word about Malcolm, but he/agent has really screwed this up. Unhappy CB will be a cancer to the locker room and should be dealt as soon as he signs the tender.

    And I haven’t heard any Pats fans saying Gilmore > Butler.

  70. He has now played his last down for the NE Patriots. Once a player gives any indication that he no longer wants to be in Foxboro, BB will make sure he’s gone. He’s damned if he signs, sits if he doesn’t.

  71. The NE motto of do your job makes it one of the best environments to play in.

    This is one of the reasons there are other QBs I’d take over Brady.

    With that said, I don’t think Butler is a top tier CB and Gilmore’s deal isn’t as big as they make it sound. Two year deal with a year by year team option.

  72. Agent: “Hi, would your team like to sign volunteer to make Malcom one of the highest paid corners in the NFL and relinquish your first round draft pick to the world champs in the process? Hello?”

  73. I’m guessing Malcolm’s agent thinks his job is to leak false news to sports reporters and try to force the hand of the Patriots.

    Malcolm, PLEASE fire your agent NOW!

  74. No sympathy here. They made you a decent offer. The Pats aren’t known for paying top dollar (Gilmore did NOT get top dollar).

    If you want another ring, Malcolm, stay in New England.

  75. Seen this song and dance before.

    Malcolm Butler is a restricted free agent. The Patriots are going to pay him like a restricted free agent, AND HE SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT. Clearly he expected more, and that was foolish. Now he’s disappointed and he’s taking it personally but it’s all a result of his own unrealistic expectations.

    Do agents ever bother managing the expectations of their clients? If Butler’s agent was telling him “I’m going to get you a great long-term deal on the open market” then he did Butler a grave disservice.

  76. New England is also in danger of losing Hightower. Defense wins championships. Without Hightoweer they will have trouble defensively even if they added Gilmore.

  77. datdude84 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 12:16 PM
    I said this yesterday and Pats fans didn’t want to hear it. Bill B is a genius but butler will be gone. He won’t play under the tender. Why would he?? You just paid a corner from your division rival top dollar.
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    That other guy wasn’t a RESTRICTED free agent.

    It’s totally unreasonable for a RFA to compare himself to an unrestricted free agent and expect the same kind of money. When Butler is an UFA, he’ll get paid like one. But he isn’t, and there’s no reason why the Patriots should treat him as if he is. If he takes that personally, then he’s a fool and he has nobody to blame for this situation but himself and his own weak union.

  78. Malcolm, dump your hobbyist agent and hire Don Yee. He will set you up for life. It’s not too late.

  79. So wait… Malcom Butler has said or done nothing that says he wants out of New England.

    Mike Giardi, a sports reporter for CSN tells us that, based on “un-named sources”, this is true. That un-named source might be Mike’s pet iguana.

    Then just an hour ago we hear Butler saying he wants to be a Patriot for life. That doesn’t sound like a guy looking to leave New England to me. That sounds like more fake news click bait being spewed forth by a sports reporter.

  80. You do NOT play chicken with Bill Belichick.

    He did not take a Time Out in the SuperBowl when Seattle was on the goal line and he would trade Brady if the price was right. He would do well to fire his Agent now and beg for forgiveness.

  81. ricko1112 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 10:49 AM
    I guess winning gets old.

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    No matter what the cliche they use when they sign, blah, blah win a championship “insert team name that paid them too much here” 99% of these guys follow the $, sometimes for the $, but sometimes because the status that a big contract brings, they are all competitors and nothing says “winning” like getting paid the most, just ask Charlie Sheen

  82. Frankly, he’s worth a lower end first round pick. He’ll have to back the discount into the offer of course. He was restricted.

    So contenders can offer their 1st this year and NE would take it. Teams get five restricted years with a 1st pick which is another reason they are so valued.

    He isn’t “shut-down” either but he’s a good player.

  83. Pay it forward…I’ll take that truck after you get paid Malcolm. I’ll do something amazing for it, like intercepting the IRS once you get your first tax bill.

  84. Had Butler known this is how NE shows their appreciation, he would have dropped that ball in the Superbowl.

  85. If you’re a team you always worry that the big contract will lower their motivation. Belichick thinks about the core contracts non-stop.

    Hence Collins is gone.

    A little surprised it went this way.

  86. “If he wants out then why hasn’t he signed the tender?”

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Because his agent is still making calls, in the hopes that they can find a team willing to give him a long term, big money deal.

    That’s unlikely, as any team that does that will have to give the Pats a 1st round draft pick, but he won’t sign the tender until he has exhausted all avenues.

  87. “He won’t play under the tender. Why would he??”

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Why? Because $3.91 million is a lot more than ZERO dollars, which is what he will make if he sits out a year.

    And yes, if no other team makes him a big money offer (which is entirely possible – no team has signed away a 1st round tendered FA since 2003), then his only remaining options are A) sign the tender and play out the season for $3.91 million or B) hold out.

  88. fjw2 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 2:52 PM
    So wait… Malcom Butler has said or done nothing that says he wants out of New England.

    Mike Giardi, a sports reporter for CSN tells us that, based on “un-named sources”, this is true. That un-named source might be Mike’s pet iguana.

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    That unnamed source is probably Butler’s agent trying to apply pressure in the press. Thinks hes being cute. This guy with his games of chicken and media stuff etc probably thinks hes the first guy that ever thought of these groundbreaking techniques for strongarming NFL GMs.

    The iguana thinks Butler should fire his agent and sign Don Yee to sort it out with the team for him. Iguana’s are smart enough to figure things like that out.

  89. “Pats are a bad organization no loyalty towards players,they will cut you in a new york minute”

    Yeah they value domination over feelings. Maybe you’d be better suited following pop warner.

  90. It’s all fickle but there is something about CB that makes it the least attractive place to commit long-term cap money. I’m not 100% sure on season ending injuries by position but the slightest skill/injury loss at CB always seems to be exploited rather quickly. Look at Revis, he’s playing for any job this season and they’re talking like it’s over for him.

    The restricted benefit to NE is a tangible number off the long-term contract he could sign anywhere if he were a free agent. Looks like NE would rather have trade value then pay him. I don’t think all this recent stuff made up their minds.

    I don’t fault either side when these events happen. It’s business either way. NE through channels does seem to smear people who don’t work for the money they offer. Collins was an example last year and Butler seems to be going that road right now.

  91. This article could well be part of the NE management smear machine. They always bad mouth the players designated out of the core team.

    Plenty of tool media in sorts as well as politics.

  92. There’s no denying the ABSOLUTE RUTHLESSNESS of BB when it comes to these negotiations. BB has proven time and time again that he won’t overpay for ANY player. He feels he can plug in and coach up a replacement for anyone with the gall to think they have leverage on him. All NFL agents should know this by now. The fact that they win and keep on winning year after year is proof of his genius. Butler, Hightower, and many, many others have been given the choice of playing for less $$$ and a shot at the ring every year, or getting paid the most they can get from some other team. Both of the players above IMHO, deserve big money contracts. They need to decide for themselves what to do, you can’t count on BB being soft when it comes to negotiating. Tom Brady is the GOAT, and he’s been underpaid for years.

  93. I don’t get this one as a Pats fan. I guess BB thinks Gilmore is twice as better than Butler because he offered him twice as much money $14 million per year and only offered Butler $7 million per year prior to last season. Now Logan Ryan is getting $10 million per year for Tennessee and Butler is better than Logan. If Butler signs the tender and gets traded, we get Eric Rowe as our starter- wonderful. Sorry Bill but this stinks.

  94. jr325 says:
    Mar 13, 2017 10:51 AM

    It’s amazing that the pats are so successful despite treating their players like disposable pieces of garbage. It’s quite impressive and I don’t think any other team can get away with operating like that
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    It’s not amazing at all. The Patriots are constantly trying to upgrade and get better.

    Meanwhile, teams like the Dolphins sign free agents for tens of millions of dollars, and don’t get jack squat in return.

    If every team were run like the Patriots, then the league office wouldn’t have to perpetrate fraud, in a vain attempt to force parity.

  95. Butler had his chance to cash in after his first super bowl. He should have made more money from that one play than all the money he’s made since. Players looking to make their money from their contracts usually are disappointed.

    Smart guys don’t even touch their salary, just live off endorsements and invest the rest

  96. you did your part when we needed you most MB21. Thank you so much from the bottom of our collective hearts as Patriots fans. Good luck on your new endeavors!!

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