Belief persists that Patriots plan to keep Garoppolo beyond 2017

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The Browns reportedly will make a run at Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. (The fallback may be Kirk Cousins.) The Patriots, based on who you believe, will listen — or they won’t. Their standoffishness comes either from an effort to maximize the trade offer or from a genuine desire to keep Garoppolo around.

As one high level employee of an AFC team recently told PFT, there’s a persistent belief within league circles that the Patriots truly want to keep Garoppolo.

First, Father Time eventually is going to whack Tom Brady over the head with whatever Father Time’s weapon of choice is (scythe, staff, hourglass, big-ass Flava Flav necklace clock). Notwithstanding the avacado ice cream, it can come very, very quickly for Brady. (Just ask Peyton Manning.) If it comes this year, the Patriots will have Garoppolo under contract for the balance of 2017 and, via the availability of the franchise tag, beyond.

Second, and as Scott Zolak from the Patriots Radio Network suggested on PFT Live in the aftermath of Super Bowl LI, the thinking is that Brady’s magic number is three more years with a caveat — if he wins one more Super Bowl, he may very well walk away. If that happens this year, the Patriots need to have Garoppolo around.

Third, Jacoby Brissett may not be the answer. There’s a feeling that the Patriots drafted Brissett at the very strong urging of his mentor, Bill Parcells, and that coach Bill Belichick has decided after a year of working with Brissett that he won’t become a true franchise quaterback.

So this isn’t about trying to get Garoppolo to make an open-ended commitment to continue to be the No. 2 while no one knows when No. 1 will choose to leave due to age or injury. It’s about the Patriots keeping Garoppolo around as insurance against Brady leaving because he’s walking off with Lombardi No. 6 or because, despite his best efforts and electrolytes, he can no longer get it done.

The Patriots won’t trade Brady instead of Garoppolo. Belichick’s habit of dumping a guy one year too early instead of one year too late has exceptions, rare as they may be. Brady, regarded as the fifth son of owner Robert Kraft, will be one of those exceptions. So Brady stays as long as he wants, especially since Belichick realizes Brady wouldn’t allow himself to keep playing once it becomes clear that he no longer can do it.

The key will be Brady’s legs. Though he’s not regarded as a fast guy (he had a nifty scramble in Super Bowl LI), the moment he can no longer slide and step and dart with authority in the pocket, that’s that.

The Patriots, if they truly believe Garoppolo is capable of carrying the mantle, have every reason to keep him around until they know how it plays out for Brady. Some think that will include using the franchise tag in 2018 — not as a precursor to a trade but as a device for ensuring that, if Brady makes it through 2017 and returns for 2018, the Patriots can preserve the ability to have Garropolo available.

Of course, there’s also a possibility that Garoppolo will chooses to sign a Band-Aid contract that pays him a fair rate to continue to wait, and that gives him a lot more if he plays. Given that Garoppolo is represented by the same firm that has signed off on Brady’s string of below-market deals, it’s impossible to rule out Garoppolo taking less to remain with an organization that constantly contends.

58 responses to “Belief persists that Patriots plan to keep Garoppolo beyond 2017

  1. Flava Flav’s clock isn’t getting to TB12.

    Peyton had his neck fused.

    And it’s avocado ice cream

  2. I want to keep Jimmy. That said, Peyton was done years ago after his fourth neck surgery and only had a miraculous twilight year spike when he started going to mysterious “stem cell” clinics in Europe outside of FDA oversight, and his wife started getting Balco style vial mail. Brady has been much more consistent in his later years because he trains right, lays off the pizza, and is also the greatest of all time.

  3. Couldn’t agree more with all of this. It may not make sense to keep JF financially by tagging him etc BUT I would still do it. For all the reasons Mike mentioned in this article. When the wheels fall off it will happen fast. And I do not even remotely believe Brissett is the long term answer. It will take 2-3 years to groom a successor assuming Brissett isn’t the answer. And that is assuming there is anybody in the draft this year that could be a franchise QB. Which IMO there isn’t. Next year will be a year to late to find a successor.

  4. Patriots are thinking, Ok Cleveland give me your 1st and 12th pick in the first round and maybe we will think about that. Sad thing is Cleveland will do that.

  5. It makes sense. The Patriots have a 40yr old QB. The chances of Brady playing the whole season aren’t great. And as the article says, if the Patriots win the Superbowl again, there is no point for Brady to stay.

  6. Take the trade for Cleveland’s 12 & 32 in 2017 and one of their 2nd in 2018. Yes, Brady is fighting Father Time. But it is better to build the team to win now with Brady behind center. Grab a developmental QB in the 4-6th round for future consideration. Who knows, by the time Brady hangs up his cleats. Jimmy may be available. After all, what NE back up QB has gone on to success after leaving Foxboro?

  7. I’d say the situation is summarized best above, but can be summarized further with “Boy, nobody really knows anything for sure about this, do they?”

    I have my own fantasy about it, that Jimmy G. is the Young to Brady’s Montana, including that Young didn’t start for the Niners until he was 30. (!) So he was knocking around the leagues and Bucs for nearly seven or eight years. Yet when he hit the Niners, everyone in the Niners org seemed to know that he was the successor, and he was just pawing the ground, holding the clipboard, and it became tense between him and Joe, Joe and Bill, and on and on, until Joe was finally injured and traded, then Young led the league in passer rating 5 seasons in a row — still a record.

    No one can say that’s going to happen again, or even should, but it proves that even the “untested” guys can be identified as having the right stuff, and worth keeping around. The reality is speculation.

    My other fantasy is Jimmy G. for Browns number one and Garrett coming to NE to terrorize qbs, Clowney/Bosa style, for five years on a rookie contract.

  8. Jimmy G is the future!

    Sucks that he has to wait another year or two but he will at least have three rings before he ever becomes the permanent starter.

  9. Lots of speculation in this post and most of it legitimate. The one exception I take is the continual notion that Brady could “fall off a cliff”, or compare him to Manning’s last years (who did fall off a cliff).

    You can’t make the same predictions for Brady because, far from being in decline, Brady’s numbers are actually getting better. Secondly Brady’s greatest gifts are his mind and competitive drive. As long as those remain intact, Brady’s physical skills might erode slowly over the next few years, but certainly won’t “fall off a cliff.

  10. Falling off a cliff like Manning would be an apt comparison if Brady… you know… had neck surgery like Payaton and his throwing arm went numb…….
    A better comp would probably be Montana (39) or Farve (41) butneither of them had avocado ice cream nor Gisele…..

  11. “Of course, there’s also a possibility that Garoppolo will chooses to sign a Band-Aid contract that pays him a fair rate to continue to wait, and that gives him a lot more if he plays.”

    That is the part that all too often gets ignored in these discussions. Garoppolo could easily have begun forcing the issue alreadyif he wanted out but other than one disavowed post he has been a good soldier, as in very good and quiet.

  12. Cleveland isn’t going to “make a run” at Garoppolo or Counsins. That’s just a smokescreen, one you’re eating up.

    The Patriots are setting a high trade price for Garoppolo because he is otherwise worth more to them (than, say, a 2nd round pick). If a team steps up and pays the price, great for NE, but if not the team is keeping him. In other words, he IS both seriously on the block AND the team intends to keep him. It’s sincere both ways.

  13. Good write-up.

    Comparing Brady to Manning is not really accurate from this perspective. I don’t think Brady will suffer the same dramatic drop-off that Manning did, simply because he’s been taking care of his body better for a long time.

    But the end will come, of course, and I’m pretty sure Brissett is not the answer. I’m not convinced yet that Garropolo is either, but he has a much better chance of becoming that than Brissett. So, it would make sense for the Patriots to hold onto Jimmy.

    The only certainty here is that no-one knows how this will play out.

  14. I think Jimmy is smart enough to know that the guy who follows Brady and can Succeed, will have a very bright future.

    And going to start for a perennial loser with a weak O line and a rotating cast of coaches and GM’s can wreck a career.

  15. .
    The Patriots have to factor in the thought of what would happen if Brady were to go down with injury. If Garopollo were to step in, they would still have a legitimate shot at the Super Bowl. With Brissett, probably not.

    Part of the problem with dealing Garopollo is that it’s been reported that the Patriots really like his game and young, high quality QBs are a rarity.
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  16. “(Just ask Peyton Manning.)”

    Manning had 4 neck surgeries and was only able to play by propping himself up with buckets of HGH.

    Unless and or until Brady sustains a serious injury with long term repercussions like Manning, its a different situation.

  17. dispozblcopy says:
    Mar 16, 2017 6:23 PM
    I’d say the situation is summarized best above, but can be summarized further with “Boy, nobody really knows anything for sure about this, do they?”

    I have my own fantasy about it, that Jimmy G. is the Young to Brady’s Montana, including that Young didn’t start for the Niners until he was 30. (!) So he was knocking around the leagues and Bucs for nearly seven or eight years. Yet when he hit the Niners, everyone in the Niners org seemed to know that he was the successor, and he was just pawing the ground, holding the clipboard, and it became tense between him and Joe, Joe and Bill, and on and on, until Joe was finally injured and traded, then Young led the league in passer rating 5 seasons in a row — still a record.

    No one can say that’s going to happen again, or even should, but it proves that even the “untested” guys can be identified as having the right stuff, and worth keeping around. The reality is speculation.

    My other fantasy is Jimmy G. for Browns number one and Garrett coming to NE to terrorize qbs, Clowney/Bosa style, for five years on a rookie contract.

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    You have a lot of fantasies that involve football players

  18. There is nothing surprising about this. Of course they will keep him and Belichick will be the first coach to have two primary quarterbacks. Not the primary and a backup, but two primary QBs.
    JG will get used situationally ie specific games predetermined ahead of time. Just like pitchers in baseball.
    No other team can do this because no other team has a Brady ie a team friendly guy that wants to play 4 – 5 more years. He never said he wants to play every game and with where he is in life, money is just not that important. I think JG is similar. He could end up signing a huge contract paid out in a very team friendly way as well. Lots and lots of positives. It will happen.

  19. “They’re gonna have to franchise him because the Bears will back up the Brinks truck for him next year.”

    Brady isn’t that concerned with money. He’s made well over 100 million when you include endorsements. His wife makes 50 million a year. Together they are worth almost half a billion dollars at the moment.

    He wants to win. Money isn’t keeping him playing, the chance for another Super Bowl win is.

  20. To the overly defensive Pats fans saying that this situation is nothing like Manning because Brady hasn’t had the neck surgeries: you have kind of a point. But answer me this: neck surgeries or not, how many QBs have played well at Brady’s current age? Zero.

    Let’s not forget that the last time Brady played a full 16 game season his body wore down for playoff time. Does he have a 19-20 game season in him still? At 40? Maybe. But the idea that he will not slow down and has like 4 good years left in him is laughable. He’s unquestionably the best of all time, but he is still human and Father Time is still undefeated.

  21. Garoppolo being traded is an incredible long shot -possible, yes, but highly unlikely. Bill let Mallet, Hoyer, and Cassel go for far less compensation because he knows what he has. It doesn’t really matter what his intentions are because there really is no way for anyone but Bill to have a level of confidence in Jimmy G such that they’ll be willing to part with the multiple first round picks we’re told is the current asking price.

  22. Garoppolo is the better than any QB in this year’s draft.

    If a team would spend a 1st round pick on an untested rookie – no matter how good his upside was – why wouldn’t they spend an additional 1st round pick on a guy better than that rookie, who has actually taken snaps in the NFL and won games showing a powerful and accurate arm while doing so?

    Oh – and said QB also has learned from Brady and Belichick for the last few years.

    Two first round picks shouldn’t sound so high now. And that offer to the Pats – to grab a guy they HOPE won’t start a game this season – is too tough to pass over.

    BUT – barring that, the Pats seem to be in a “win now” mode so the prospect of Brady retiring after winning #6 (and all the better if they go 19-0 in the process) and walking away after this season isn’t as crazy as it sounds.

  23. Translation: the Pats weren’t able to snooker the Browns from all their top draft picks.

  24. Those are some mighty big shoes to fill but I think Garoppolo wants to be the guy to succeed TB when the time comes. He has been there, he understands the system, and it is a great transition when the time comes. I hope they keep him. If he can be patient he will eventually be the Pats guy. Unless BB says hes not.

  25. Belichick wrote the forward to the anniversary reprinting of “The Art of the Deal.” Pats ask for Cleveland’s entire draft class and settle for a 1st and a 2nd with Cleveland thinking they put one over on Bill.

  26. The 49ers had it easier with Young than the Pats do with Garoppolo: when Young was Montana’s backup, there was essentially no free agency (at least as we know it today). They wanted to keep him, so he had no real say in the matter.

  27. This is all a ploy to get more draft picks, they will trade Jimmy to Cleveland for 2 2nd rounders or at most #12 and a 2nd rounder. Theres no chance Cle. will give up the #1 at all, or #12 and both 2nd round picks. I say draft Garrett #1 and Watson or Trubisky at #12, and forget about Jimmy, let Belichick cut off his nose to spite his face, and not have any first or 2nd round picks this year.

  28. Belief persists that Belichick wants everyone to think he’s not interested in trading, so that other teams will keep raising their offers.

  29. Can’t believe anyone actually thinks Jimmy isn’t gone this year.

    Browns need a real QB desperately and they have the assets to make it work.

    There’s no way BB is tagging this kid next year. Some people on this board need to put the bong down. Why would you risk him walking and only getting a compensatory pick for him next year when you can deal him this year for at least a first and probably a pair of seconds too?

    He gone.

  30. I wonder how many QBs could take the beating Brady took in the Super Bowl and still get up let alone play at the level he played in the last 20 minutes of regular time. I also wonder if he sustained any lingering injuries (remember there is no requirement that the team report injuries until games are about to be played). I wonder if Brissett failed to impress Belichick as Brady’s successor. I wonder if Brady’s family wants him to quit (we know his wife does). Does anyone really know how draft picks will play? They are not a sure thing (50% in second round) so should Belichick trade a known commodity (and probable successor to Brady) for several possibile contributors without knowing if Brissett is the answer. Remember the draft picks rarely contribute in their first year (I know – Elliott and Prescott are anecdotal performers but the majority of draft picks need 2-3 years to mature). A performance based contract extension tied to playing time in 2018 and 19 might be the answer to satisfying Garoppolo so there is no certainty that he will move on if he is not traded this year. The fans, the “insiders” and the other NFL teams do NOT have the complete facts upon which Belichick will make his decision so all this is pure speculation – a good game but hardly dispositive.

  31. The Browns aren’t going after Jimmy. This hype is working right into their master plan. They build they hype for Jimmy all the while Hugh/Sashi are working behind the scenes to get AJ McCarron. They could get him for a fraction of the cost of what it would take to get Grop. McCarron has had more time under center than Grop and is already familiar with Jackson’s offense.

  32. That is great news to this Pats’ fan. I really feel like he will be the best answer after TB12 retires. I also think that it is very wise for Garoppolo to be patient because the longevity of a Browns’ QB is measured in games not seasons.

  33. First of all, the Patriots aren’t in a re-building mode. They’re trying to win another super bowl next year. Your backup QB is the 2nd most important player on your team. If they win another SB, maybe BB retires. So Bill might not even be looking beyond next year. If that’s the case, why would let Garoppolo leave?

  34. Cards fan here. He can play. Saw him live and he beat us . TB12 is near the end and he’s been groomed. BB is smart so that means there’s truth to this. They keep him, that’s my belief.

  35. If Eli beats Brady again, the bright side for pats fans (not jimmy) is that Tom will play until he’s 60 until he beats him.

  36. Peyton Manning is a bad comparison. Manning suffered a serious neck injury, was using HGH to get better and keep playing, then had to quit HGH when the NFL started testing for it.

    Brady has/is none of those things.

  37. rondayne says:
    Mar 16, 2017 7:22 PM
    To the overly defensive Pats fans saying that this situation is nothing like Manning because Brady hasn’t had the neck surgeries: you have kind of a point. But answer me this: neck surgeries or not, how many QBs have played well at Brady’s current age? Zero.
    ======================
    Favre?
    Moon?
    Testaverde?

  38. tb12bestqbevah says:
    Mar 16, 2017 9:10 PM
    Can’t believe anyone actually thinks Jimmy isn’t gone this year.

    Browns need a real QB desperately and they have the assets to make it work.

    There’s no way BB is tagging this kid next year. Some people on this board need to put the bong down. Why would you risk him walking and only getting a compensatory pick for him next year when you can deal him this year for at least a first and probably a pair of seconds too?

    He gone.
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    Except the Pats could franchise him not once but twice if needed. Expensive? Sure. Impossible? Not even close.

  39. justintuckrule says:
    Mar 16, 2017 11:12 PM
    If Eli beats Brady again, the bright side for pats fans (not jimmy) is that Tom will play until he’s 60 until he beats him.
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    Wouldn’t Eli need to make the playoffs first 🙂

  40. Fireroger – it’s starting to happen again. The team we have now is better than the one that beat you in 2011

  41. I suspect that Garoppolo’s fate is more in the hands of Kraft (with advise from BB and TB) than anyone else. I suspect that McDaniels has been promised BB’s position when he retires and that they are looking at JG replacing Brady. The question is will it happen at the end of the 2007 season and can they keep them together if it goes one more year after that.

  42. justintuckrule says:
    Mar 17, 2017 9:55 AM
    Fireroger – it’s starting to happen again. The team we have now is better than the one that beat you in 2011
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    If I had a dime every time I’ve heard that. Again, make the playoffs then your smack might matter a bit.

  43. Lets just consider this for a second… BB may decide to go into full blown rebuilding mode sooner rather than later, (after next season, that is) and that mindset makes J Garopollo the trade bait to get draft picks needed to start that journey… that is assuming Cleveland is stupid enough to offer what it is going to take to get him out of chowderville.

    Don’t be surprised come draft day the Patriots pull the eye popping deal of the universe that may include moving their backup QB for boatload of draft picks.

    but really who knows???

  44. If I had a dime for every time we beat you down in the super bowl, I’d have 20 cents.

  45. If I had a dime for every time we beat you down in the super bowl, I’d have 20 cents.
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    Amazingly, with every additional Super Bowl the Patriots win, the Giants achievement becomes more and more noteworthy.

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