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Free agency strengthens Patriots’ status as Super Bowl favorites

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After the Patriots won Super Bowl LI, the Vegas oddsmakers installed New England as the favorite to win Super Bowl LII. And after making some impressive moves in free agency, the Patriots are even stronger favorites now.

According to Bovada, the Patriots opened as 5-1 favorites to win the Super Bowl but moved to 4-1 favorites after the first week of free agency.

The arrivals of Stephon Gilmore, Rex Burkhead and Lawrence Guy in free agency have counteracted the losses of Martellus Bennett, Jabaal Sheard, Logan Ryan and Barkevious Mingo. The Patriots also traded for Brandin Cooks, Kony Ealy and Dwayne Allen and managed to retain three of their own free agents, Dont’a Hightower, Duron Harmon and Alan Branch.

The last team to repeat as Super Bowl champion was New England, in Super Bowls XXVIII and XXIX (after the 2003 and 2004 seasons). Now the Patriots are looking to do it again, and they look like they have a great chance.

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  1. ihatedansnyder says: Mar 19, 2017 6:54 AM

    Malcolm- ball out with NE this year and show BB they made a mistake paying that much guaranteed money to Gilimore. Then go get paid in 2018 as an unrestricted. I don’t think you’re going to get the money you’re worth in NO if they have to give up a number one and sign you to a long term contract. If you re-sign in NE, our odds go to 3-1.

  2. arwiv says: Mar 19, 2017 6:57 AM

    Watch out for the Giants. The next time the pats beat them when it matters will be the first time.

  3. piratefreedom says: Mar 19, 2017 7:03 AM

    The Brady era Patriots have won 5 out of 16 superbowls so 25% means this version is expected to be worse than that 31% average 🙂

  4. pondbridge says: Mar 19, 2017 7:05 AM

    Now keep Butler happy for a year with a bridge one-year contract before he reaches free agency in 2018 and load up on early round draft picks by trading Garappolo.

  5. handsofsteelhartofstone says: Mar 19, 2017 7:11 AM

    wrong, not happening folks

  6. redclaw1314 says: Mar 19, 2017 7:16 AM

    Must also consider obtaining Brandin Cooks, Kony Ealy, and Dwayne Allen for 2017 draft picks. They still have 7 draft picks left after trading the 1st rnd pick and moving down a few spots with their 2nd rnd pick. Plus Gronk will be back. Oh my.

  7. Patskrieg says: Mar 19, 2017 7:22 AM

    As a Patriots fan I feel a lot more comfortable when I read springtime articles on the “dynasty” finally being over, and how the Patriots’ best hope is to finish 3rd in the division.

    Can we do some of those please?

  8. eagleslayer says: Mar 19, 2017 7:26 AM

    When you break the rules like the Patriots…

  9. joetoronto says: Mar 19, 2017 7:26 AM

    I hope the Raiders get revenge this year for the Snow Job in New England.

  10. streetyson says: Mar 19, 2017 7:26 AM

    “Through overly strict contract management and player selection, and by trading to exploit the compensatory picks mechanism, the Patriots have grossly violated the spirit of Free Agency, trade and draft, to effectively circumvent the purpose of the Parity Rules, on multiple fronts. And in my solemn duty as Commissioner, I have called this press conference today, to announce that, in order to preserve the Integrity of the Game, the following unprecedented penalties will be applied…”

  11. sbhntr says: Mar 19, 2017 7:28 AM

    Lets not forget that the coaching team is still intact with Belichick, McDaniels, Patricia , Casario and the man behind the curtain, Ernie Adams.

    Consistency breeds success.

  12. 6ball says: Mar 19, 2017 7:39 AM

    .
    The Patriots go into the draft with the best roster in football. If after all the injuries endured at camp, in preseason, and during the first 12 weeks of the regular season, they still have the best December roster, then they’ll probably be Super Bowl bound.

    Injuries can turn a good team bad in an instant. The NFL tries to sell you on the debunked theory of ” next man up” , so you won’t lose interest. However, how often is this mythical ” next man up” better than what you lost? If the guy’s so good, why wasn’t he starting?
    .

  13. NFLexpert says: Mar 19, 2017 7:40 AM

    I don’t think you could classify Barkevious Mingo as a loss…

  14. mygirlhassuperhairymanarms says: Mar 19, 2017 7:40 AM

    You can’t argue with the logic. I agree, the Pats deserve to be the odds on favorites. Their dark, covert cheating techniques are second only to the CIA.

  15. exinsidetrader says: Mar 19, 2017 7:43 AM

    Why can’t your team copy the “System?”

    1. Get a great coach who is not afraid to take chances;
    2. Get a QB who is committed to constant improvement; and
    3. Acquire “undervalued” talent to exploit the fact that teams operate with a Salary Cap.

    Simple.
    Now get to work.

  16. openfieldtackle says: Mar 19, 2017 7:54 AM

    The dynasty will never be over as long as Brady is there. He is the greatest modern day player ever of any sport. (Maybe Jordan also) You have to admire what he and his team has done!
    I am a Steeler fan.

  17. Flash1287 says: Mar 19, 2017 7:59 AM

    arwiv says:
    Mar 19, 2017 6:57 AM
    Watch out for the Giants. The next time the pats beat them when it matters will be the first time.

    Yeah they beat them 2 seasons ago in NY and guess what it counted

  18. blackstonevalleykettlebells says: Mar 19, 2017 8:02 AM

    Butler will be back in the fold soon enough. The tender gives him a 300% raise! No team is going to give up a pick when they can get him unrestricted next year.

    This team is loaded, the only thing that can stop them is injuries.

  19. pastabelly says: Mar 19, 2017 8:10 AM

    piratefreedom says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:03 AM
    The Brady era Patriots have won 5 out of 16 superbowls so 25% means this version is expected to be worse than that 31% average
    ==================================
    I do not understand why this post got so many thumbs down. It’s factually correct that the Patriots have won 31.25% of the last 16 Super Bowls and have been in 43.75% of them. However, it is tough to repeat in the NFL and that hasn’t been done since 2003 & 2004 Patriots. There is also always an element of luck that goes with these things. The Patriots certainly weren’t dominant in the Super Bowl and that probably influences the odds as well. As a fan, I care about the Patriots winning Super Bowls more than dominating them, but that game showed that there is no big talent gap among top teams in the league.

  20. uglydingo says: Mar 19, 2017 8:12 AM

    Over 2 years we have effectively seen a major overhaul of the New England roster but the team just continues to win. The superiority of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady to every other coach and QB is incredible and that is why they are both the greatest of all time. Both are not getting older, they are getting better.

  21. denverdave3 says: Mar 19, 2017 8:22 AM

    This Bronco fan pulls for any team that is not the Patriots, but there’s no denying, these people know what they’re doing in every phase of the game.

    If nothing else, we gotta respect them for setting the bar so high.

  22. discodonniethetrumpettes says: Mar 19, 2017 8:31 AM

    Huh? Weakened at CB. Weakened at TE. Weakened at RB. And a new deep threat on a team that relies on short to medium passing.

    Where exactly is that gain again?

  23. raiderinva says: Mar 19, 2017 8:31 AM

    Now that Rex Ryan is not coaching, everyone knows that the off season Dynasty Champions are the Redskins and the Cowboys….

  24. discodonniethetrumpettes says: Mar 19, 2017 8:32 AM

    The Packers will beat them. Big Mc has Bill’s number.

  25. briang123 says: Mar 19, 2017 8:34 AM

    Typical for the NFL to bend over backwards to accommodate the Patriots. The rules never seem to apply to them.

  26. thechickenexpress says: Mar 19, 2017 8:36 AM

    arwiv says:
    Mar 19, 2017 6:57 AM
    Watch out for the Giants. The next time the pats beat them when it matters will be the first time.
    ——
    I love Giants fans. Worry about your team doing better than its usual 8-8 this year. Once that’s out of the way, worry about not losing by 25 points to an injury-riddled, one-dimensional Packers squad. Then worry about getting by the Falcons, who are still the class of the NFC.

    Priorities, kid. Priorities.

  27. stipez says: Mar 19, 2017 8:37 AM

    After they won the Super Bowl, Belichick said,”We’re five weeks behind 30 teams in the league preparing for the 2017 season,”
    That’s why they’re favorites.

  28. exhelodrvr says: Mar 19, 2017 8:38 AM

    I wonder if Belichick is considering resting Brady more during the year? Him playing four fewer games may have actually helped them last year, both by keeping him fresh and by forcing the other players to have to bear down/focus a little more.

  29. A happy green parrot says: Mar 19, 2017 8:45 AM

    joetoronto says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:26 AM
    I hope the Raiders get revenge this year for the Snow Job in New England.

    ——————–
    As far as revenge for last year how was that the Patriots doing? I felt awful for the Raiders and bummed out to have it happen that way. I wanted to beat them to be sure, but only by beating them.

    As far as getting revenge for a decade and a half ago that ship has sailed. Revenge has to be in the following year no more than two in order to count as revenge. 15 years and 5 SB later its no longer revenge even if Oakland finally wins one. This would be like the Patriots claiming they got revenge on the Steelers for beating them in the 70s. If it makes you feel better the Patriot’s window for revenge on the Giants is gone too. Many years and 2 SB wins later its just old news at his point.

  30. townie45 says: Mar 19, 2017 8:46 AM

    Well stated pastabelly. Indeed there is “no big talent gap among top teams”. However , there is a huge coaching gap. Especially with Tom Coughlin retired from coaching. By the way, look for tremendous improvement in Jacksonville with Coach Coughlin managing the football operation in Jacksonville.

  31. beachsidejames says: Mar 19, 2017 9:02 AM

    Lets be honest. If they don’t go undefeated as loaded as this team is and the easy 6 games they play in their own division then its a choke season.

  32. businesswriting302 says: Mar 19, 2017 9:07 AM

    Let’s just skip the regular season, and put the Pats in the Super Bowl. Of course they will win and be declared the greatest dynasty ever. Bye Bye NFL! Mark Cuban was right.

  33. d12f6m says: Mar 19, 2017 9:10 AM

    Patriots are in the perennial worst division in the NFL. When were the Jets, Bills or Miami any good ? If you get a virtual bye into the playoffs every year, you should get to the super bowl way more times than the Patriots do ( if you are the dynasty all you say you are). Instead you have to cheat to get to the Super Bowls you actually went to.

  34. shadywarrior says: Mar 19, 2017 9:11 AM

    One day the Pats will give the league back to the rest of you, don’t lose ALL hope. Lmao. Just….lmao.

  35. popcherrycoke says: Mar 19, 2017 9:17 AM

    I just love sitting here on a Sunday morning watching the haters flail around like toddlers craving their binky. They have literally nothing left to cry about, yet here they are. Gonna be a long season for you fellas.

  36. xxsweepthelegxx says: Mar 19, 2017 9:19 AM

    joetoronto says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:26 AM
    I hope the Raiders get revenge this year for the Snow Job in New England.
    ——–
    Too young to remember 1976 hosejob by the refs in the raiders/ Pat’s game obviously. Grogan was the man and had the Pat’s as favorites and the game was blown on a ridiculous pass interference call that never was. The snow bowl game in 2001 was a correct call on a really dumb rule, but none the less it was Applied correctly

  37. tigerlilac says: Mar 19, 2017 9:22 AM

    The Patriots have been to almost 50% of the super bowls over the last 16 years and have won over 30% of super bowls in that period. In short, they have accomplished what the combined other 25 AFC teams have achieved in that period. The dominance of the Patriots has forced other AFC teams to get better and the conference has dominated in super bowls and inter-conference play during this century.

    The Patriots keep winning despite their conference’s superiority, the salary cap/ free agency rules, the reality of injuries, and a league office and cabal of owners that collude to strip them of draft choices, suspend star players, and change rules to tilt the playing field. The NBA didn’t do that to the Celtics and Spurs dynasties. MLB didn’t do it to the Yankees. The NHL didn’t do it to the Canadians.

    As we see Belichick leave the super bowl field and immediately go to work on building 2017’s roster into a 25% super bowl versus the 3% NFL average, logic tells us the Patriots are the team that all others need to strive to be.

  38. jstew0103 says: Mar 19, 2017 9:24 AM

    A repeat would be pretty incredible however I still say if Derek Carr had been healthy the raiders probably had the best chance to go into New Negland and put up a fight. Though their secondary wasn’t great last season they had the premier pass rushing to get to Brady as well as an offense with bigger receivers that Malcolm Bulter and Logan Ryan struggled with. I think the game in Mexico City this season will be a pretty good measuring stick for the Raiders (especially with Brady absolutely sucking in high altitude stadiums)

  39. ItsMe says: Mar 19, 2017 9:27 AM

    joetoronto: I hope the Raiders get revenge this year for the Snow Job in New England.

    ——————-

    NO J0e – You are wrong. The Tuck Rule game was actually the Pats revenge for the 1976 playoff game when Raiders won on a phantom roughing the passer call. That Pats team was one of the best ever… but they were robbed, and the Raiders went on to win the Super Bowl.

    Here’s Stabler admitting it:

    “That should have never been a penalty,” Stabler told McDonough. “I got hit a lot worse than that in my career and it was never called. Hamilton just went for the ball and landed on me. That’s all that happened.”

  40. inyourmind says: Mar 19, 2017 9:28 AM

    Half the comments pats haters makes me laugh

  41. A happy green parrot says: Mar 19, 2017 9:34 AM

    d12f6m says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:10 AM
    Patriots are in the perennial worst division in the NFL. When were the Jets, Bills or Miami any good ? If you get a virtual bye into the playoffs every year, you should get to the super bowl way more times than the Patriots do ( if you are the dynasty all you say you are). Instead you have to cheat to get to the Super Bowls you actually went to.

    ——————-

    Miami actually did make the playoffs last year making the AFC east one of the divisions that had 2 in the playoffs. Also if you check the schedule the Pats are going to be playing a lot of non AFC east teams too, in fact its 2/3 of the schedule. There is even some NFC in there. If you check last years schedule they had to do the same. Only one non AFC east team managed to beat them they beat the rest.

  42. gosselnj says: Mar 19, 2017 9:36 AM

    All these haters make laugh.
    They make all these comments about cheating and stuff but one thing always remains, and that’s the fact that their team SUCKS.
    Patriots rule! Gotta love it.

  43. maust1013 says: Mar 19, 2017 9:40 AM

    handsofsteelhartofstone says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:11 AM
    wrong, not happening folks
    =====================

    Reading is fundamental, comprehension remains optional. The Patriots may or may not win the SB. It’s a marathon not a sprint but out of the gate only a fool wouldn’t say there chances look good and that’s all the odds are about. The article is simply stating the Vegas odds on NE have moved from the open of 5/1 to 4/1. As a Pats fan I would prefer they were higher. After a 17-2 year against the spread and the off season moves Vegas isn’t going to make the Patriots an attractive bet. As it is now they are the only team below 10/1. Buck up buttercup, the stealers are at 18/1 and The Man only likes 7 teams more than them. Of course 2 of them (Denver and Houston) don’t really have a QB so there’s that.

  44. dangguy says: Mar 19, 2017 9:45 AM

    Nobody can blame Butler for wanting to make the money he sees others around the league getting. The fact of the matter is its all timing. He was a undrafted free agent who the Patriots gave a chance to. To Butlers credit he seized that opportunity and has turned himself into a fine player.
    For some reason Malcolm picked and inexperienced first time agent who may not have a fastball yet in this business. And of course he and his agent are playing against the “jedi master” of the NFL. He should sign his tendered offer and in just 12 months he will be an unrestricted free agent, then he can back up the armored truck and fill it.

  45. Della Street says: Mar 19, 2017 9:45 AM

    discodonniethetrumpettes says:
    Mar 19, 2017 8:31 AM
    Huh? Weakened at CB. Weakened at TE. Weakened at RB. And a new deep threat on a team that relies on short to medium passing.

    Where exactly is that gain again?

    _______________

    Huh? They still have Butler, added Gilmore. Upgrade at CB. Blount loves playing for Belichick and will be back for cheap. There is no weakening at RB. So being correct on one of three (and we will see how that plays out) is good on you, I guess.

  46. midnightcusk says: Mar 19, 2017 9:51 AM

    arwiv says:
    Mar 19, 2017 6:57 AM
    Watch out for the Giants. The next time the pats beat them when it matters will be the first time.
    ———

    When the pats win again this year they’ll have a ring for each of JPP’s fingers.

  47. ucat2bekittenme says: Mar 19, 2017 9:52 AM

    It’d be nice to play in the AFC East, cuz that division is really bad. Like Florida bad. Like Mark Whalberg in Terminators bad. Like the AFC as a whole, minus NE and Pittsburgh bad. Like Belicheck’s parade speech bad.

  48. guypatsfan says: Mar 19, 2017 9:54 AM

    Constantly accusing the Pats of cheating at this point is getting pretty pathetic. You haters are running out of ammo. Time to give it up and go back to your contard hate groups on Facebook.

  49. dirtydyt says: Mar 19, 2017 9:54 AM

    Burkhead is going to make Mike Brown regret not re-signing him. With his ability to run and also catch, Brady will make him a star.

  50. bullcharger says: Mar 19, 2017 9:57 AM

    d12f6m says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:10 AM
    Patriots are in the perennial worst division in the NFL. When were the Jets, Bills or Miami any good ? If you get a virtual bye into the playoffs every year, you should get to the super bowl way more times than the Patriots do ( if you are the dynasty all you say you are). Instead you have to cheat to get to the Super Bowls you actually went to.

    ———-

    So they have gone to the SB more than any team in history and they aren’t doing well? Got it.

    The Patriots winning percentage is about the same against all the other NFL divisions. They beat up on everyone. For example, this year they were 4-0 against the AFC North but lost a division game.

    Also… the Jets won the division in 2002 and went to the AFC championship in the 2009 and 2010 seasons. Miami won the division in 2008. They haven’t had great success but better than some other divisions for sure.

  51. ikeclanton says: Mar 19, 2017 9:58 AM

    beachsidejames says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:02 AM
    Lets be honest. If they don’t go undefeated as loaded as this team is and the easy 6 games they play in their own division then its a choke season.

    ——-

    Going undefeated is never the goal–winning the Super Bowl is. If they go 13-3 or 14-2 and win the whole thing, how is it a “choke”?

    While New England’s Super Bowl will be the actual game in February, Miami’s Super Bowl will be to see if they can win their home game against NE.

    Spoiler alert: They won’t.

  52. mikeoxwells says: Mar 19, 2017 10:00 AM

    I LOVE how pats fans don’t think there’s even a need to play the 2017 season. That they should just be awarded a trophy from now. When it doesn’t work out it will be sweet.

    And a note to all NFL GM’s: if you want to hurt the patriots, don’t do business with the patriots. They like giving up garbage and stockpiling draft picks (Garrapolo).

  53. maust1013 says: Mar 19, 2017 10:01 AM

    d12f6m says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:10 AM
    Patriots are in the perennial worst division in the NFL. When were the Jets, Bills or Miami any good ? If you get a virtual bye into the playoffs every year, you should get to the super bowl way more times than the Patriots do ( if you are the dynasty all you say you are).
    =========================

    Why not trot out the lame schedule excuse while you are at it? What part of a .786 win % in division and a .762% out of it is hard to understand? What would put it in perspective for you? The last 4 years running the Pats have lost the same number of games in 6 to the division as they have in 10 to the rest of the league. All divisions are .500 against themselves yet the AFCE has won more games per team than any other over the last 10 years. Division winners on average for the past 10 years have lost 1.363 games per year in division, New England has lost 1.5. What division would you have them dominate instead? They are located in MA so it would need to be a northern or eastern team. How about we put them in the AFCN where in the Brady/Belichick era they are .828? Not what you had in mind? The NFCN (.875) or NFCE (.813) probably won’t do it for you either. Maybe that .786 isn’t all that bad after all, you should be thankful the Pats are in the AFCE, they could be owning your division instead.

  54. sidelineshot says: Mar 19, 2017 10:03 AM

    Let Jimmy G handle the first 4.
    TB12 can ride the bike on the sidelines and be ready for the big show.

  55. vicksdawgpound says: Mar 19, 2017 10:14 AM

    The Pats are loading up for their final few years with Brady and it looks to me like they want at least one more ring.

  56. popcherrycoke says: Mar 19, 2017 10:17 AM

    “It’d be nice to play in the AFC East, cuz that division is really bad. Like Florida bad. Like Mark Whalberg in Terminators bad. Like the AFC as a whole, minus NE and Pittsburgh bad. Like Belicheck’s parade speech bad.”

    Of course reality disagrees with your feelings. The AFC East is middle of the pack as far as W/L percentage since 2001. Even when you remove the Patriot’s record, that fact remains. Not to mention the Patriots have a HIGHER winning percentage outside of the division (74% vs 73%). The Patriots have been beating everyone for a long time. I understand that makes you very angry, but it doesn’t make it ok to be a liar.

  57. sportsfan178 says: Mar 19, 2017 10:17 AM

    Sounds like TB12 can sunbathe nude in Italy during September games, then strap on the chinstrap. On to Super Bowl LII

  58. jag1959 says: Mar 19, 2017 10:18 AM

    Since the advent of the salary cap no team has handled it better. Fans of other teams could only wish their teams did it half as well and I’m one of them. Much respect for the Patriots organization from this Giants fan.

  59. A happy green parrot says: Mar 19, 2017 10:20 AM

    ucat2bekittenme says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:52 AM
    It’d be nice to play in the AFC East, cuz that division is really bad. Like Florida bad. Like Mark Whalberg in Terminators bad. Like the AFC as a whole, minus NE and Pittsburgh bad. Like Belicheck’s parade speech bad.

    ——————-
    Winning the superbowl means beating the NFC too. It means coming out on top of all of football. It means you can no longer complain about who they played. Aside from the superbowl 14-2 also means you cant complain about thair division (which did send 2 teams to the playoffs, one of which was from Florida) The AFC has also been beating the NFC in the superbowl these past few years.

    Agreed Belicheck’s parade speach was NFC bad.

  60. wib22 says: Mar 19, 2017 10:24 AM

    The haters have nothing left. Sad!

  61. chuckshontaspads says: Mar 19, 2017 10:29 AM

    The name of the Super Bowl should be changed to The New England Invitational.

  62. imodan says: Mar 19, 2017 10:42 AM

    maust1013 says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:40 AM
    handsofsteelhartofstone says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:11 AM
    wrong, not happening folks
    =====================

    Reading is fundamental, comprehension remains optional. The Patriots may or may not win the SB. It’s a marathon not a sprint but out of the gate only a fool wouldn’t say there chances look good and that’s all the odds are about. The article is simply stating the Vegas odds on NE have moved from the open of 5/1 to 4/1. As a Pats fan I would prefer they were higher. After a 17-2 year against the spread and the off season moves Vegas isn’t going to make the Patriots an attractive bet. As it is now they are the only team below 10/1. Buck up buttercup, the stealers are at 18/1 and The Man only likes 7 teams more than them. Of course 2 of them (Denver and Houston) don’t really have a QB so there’s that.
    —————————————————————
    Plus it’s a good bet the Steelers won’t have thier QB for a handful of games due to “injuries”.

  63. exinsidetrader says: Mar 19, 2017 10:47 AM

    The Pats are in the “worst” division because all the other teams in it play the Pats twice a year (and usually for losses).

  64. pftfannum1 says: Mar 19, 2017 10:48 AM

    It was so out of ordinary for Bill Belichick to spend big on the off-season that may imply that he intended to make another history before he and Brady retire. This is not how teams build long-term successes. And who did it better than BB. What changed then?

    But it didn’t always work out that way as many teams proved it. Although who else but BB has the best chance among all coaches to succeed.

  65. patfanken says: Mar 19, 2017 10:51 AM

    …..And that’s the beauty of the Patriots. Except for Brady and Gronk (who missed half the season), there aren’t any “household names” or top 10 draft picks on the Pats. Except for Brady, the only consistent all pro on the Patriots is a Special teams player (Slater).

    So they are NEVER going to dominate a game against a good team, they are simply going to win it (most of the time) by doing all the little things that most teams ignore.

    The Patriots don’t have the best individual players in most games, but that is the beauty of the game of football. It’s a game where sum CAN be greater than the individual parts. In Basketball or Baseball it’s all about the players. In football it’s all about the team. There is no other game where the success of each player is so dependent on so many others success.

    Bellichick understands this better than any other coach and builds his teams accordingly. He certainly doesn’t get it right every time, but as you see, close enough.

  66. pastabelly says: Mar 19, 2017 10:52 AM

    xxsweepthelegxx says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:19 AM
    joetoronto says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:26 AM
    I hope the Raiders get revenge this year for the Snow Job in New England.
    ——–
    Too young to remember 1976 hosejob by the refs in the raiders/ Pat’s game obviously. Grogan was the man and had the Pat’s as favorites and the game was blown on a ridiculous pass interference call that never was. The snow bowl game in 2001 was a correct call on a really dumb rule, but none the less it was Applied correctly
    =================================
    For the record, that lousy call was made by one official, Ben Dreith. It’s no secret that Ben was a Raiders fan.

    “That should have never been a penalty,” Stabler told McDonough. “I got hit a lot worse than that in my career and it was never called. Hamilton just went for the ball and landed on me. That’s all that happened.”

  67. YouCryin?PatsMustBeDoingTheirJob says: Mar 19, 2017 10:58 AM

    It’s an honor and privilege to be a Patriot’s fan. Let the good times roll!

  68. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 11:05 AM

    vicksdawgpound says:
    Mar 19, 2017 10:14 AM

    The Pats are loading up for their final few years with Brady and it looks to me like they want at least one more ring.
    ————————————————————
    News flash – the Patriots want a ring every year.

    Patriots seem more aggressive because Roger Goodell failed to understand science and worked to weaken the Patriots by taking away draft picks.

    The unintended consequence of taking away draft pick is that it frees up a roster spot and some cash to bring in a player by trade or free agency.

    The extra spot on the roster can be there for more than one season if they get a 1 year rental. But they are getting proven NFL talent rather than the uncertainty of what you get in the draft.

  69. A happy green parrot says: Mar 19, 2017 11:09 AM

    exinsidetrader says:
    Mar 19, 2017 10:47 AM
    The Pats are in the “worst” division because all the other teams in it play the Pats twice a year (and usually for losses)

    —————-
    Whatever, and after that they will beat your team too, and a bunch of others.

  70. beachsidejames says: Mar 19, 2017 11:10 AM

    Choke season if they don’t win every game and that includes the super bowl …. Goober.

  71. eddievortex says: Mar 19, 2017 11:13 AM

    ucat2bekittenme says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:52 AM

    It’d be nice to play in the AFC East, cuz that division is really bad. Like Florida bad. Like Mark Whalberg in Terminators bad. Like the AFC as a whole, minus NE and Pittsburgh bad. Like Belicheck’s parade speech bad.
    ————————————————————
    AFC East was the 3rd toughest division in the NFL…Only the NFC East (1st), and the AFC West (2nd), were better…There goes your argument!

  72. blackstonevalleykettlebells says: Mar 19, 2017 11:13 AM

    Too young to remember 1976 hosejob by the refs in the raiders/ Pat’s game obviously. Grogan was the man and had the Pat’s as favorites and the game was blown on a ridiculous pass interference call that never was. The snow bowl game in 2001 was a correct call on a really dumb rule, but none the less it was Applied correctly

    _______________________

    Pats fan here, watch the highlight. Sugarbear Hamilton does hit Snake in the helmet. Ticky tack call, but it was roughing the passer.

    No one ever mentions Chuck Woodson hitting GOATs facemask/helmet on the fumble.

  73. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 11:14 AM

    pastabelly says:
    Mar 19, 2017 10:52 AM

    For the record, that lousy call was made by one official, Ben Dreith. It’s no secret that Ben was a Raiders fan.

    “That should have never been a penalty,” Stabler told McDonough. “I got hit a lot worse than that in my career and it was never called. Hamilton just went for the ball and landed on me. That’s all that happened.”
    —————————————————————
    That corrupt incident is preserved on film for everyone to see. Just search the online video site for the following 2 titles:

    • “‘Roughing the Passer’: The Patriots-Raiders Playoff Game They Don’t Want You To Know About!”

    • “1976 PATRIOTS”.

  74. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 11:19 AM

    beachsidejames says:
    Mar 19, 2017 11:10 AM

    Choke season if they don’t win every game and that includes the super bowl …. Goober.
    —————————————————–
    Your dumb posts are more appreciated when you post them under Dolphin articles. Apparently Dolphin fans are dumb enough to believe nonsense.

  75. YouCryin?PatsMustBeDoingTheirJob says: Mar 19, 2017 11:20 AM

    jag1959 says:
    Mar 19, 2017 10:18 AM

    Since the advent of the salary cap no team has handled it better. Fans of other teams could only wish their teams did it half as well and I’m one of them. Much respect for the Patriots organization from this Giants fan.
    ——————————————————–
    Thank you,sir, for your honest appraisal. The feeling is mutual. Although i had more fear of the Giants when Coughlin was in charge. He set the tone. Belichick could never get in his head. I still wish BC never let him go. Best coach they ever had. Good luck this year.

  76. A happy green parrot says: Mar 19, 2017 11:21 AM

    pftfannum1 says:
    Mar 19, 2017 10:48 AM
    It was so out of ordinary for Bill Belichick to spend big on the off-season that may imply that he intended to make another history before he and Brady retire. This is not how teams build long-term successes. And who did it better than BB. What changed then?

    But it didn’t always work out that way as many teams proved it. Although who else but BB has the best chance among all coaches to succeed.

    ——————

    IDK about that. Their free agent class did call for them to work it this way with a lot coming due at once. It can also be interpreted as them addressing that in a way that positions them to keep their momentum long term by looking at how contracts will come up over the next few years. They have not motgaged their future here, just loaded up. It will be interesting to watch over the next few yearshow this all plays out. Even after this load up their biggest challenges are ahead if them, the QB transition that must come at some point will be a key point and then at some (IMHO further) point the coaching transition I think will be the biggest one. But as far as this year, I think Belichicks only true patter is assessing the roster and doing whats best for it, in this case it was a lot more news generating than past years. I also think if they had simply stood pat (no pun intended) even if no contracts just staying with the same there would be far less chance of a repeat. I actually dont think they would have won this last one without dumping Jones and Collins. (Classic addition by subtraction moves)

  77. tylawspick6 says: Mar 19, 2017 11:23 AM

    did the 1980s 49ers play in the worst division with
    the saints and falcons?

    just curious, little millennials

  78. beachsidejames says: Mar 19, 2017 11:23 AM

    Goober nation cut and paste champs

  79. nepatriot1 says: Mar 19, 2017 11:29 AM

    mygirlhassuperhairymanarms says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:40 AM
    You can’t argue with the logic. I agree, the Pats deserve to be the odds on favorites. Their dark, covert cheating techniques are second only to the CIA.
    ———————–
    Is this seriously all you have? The cheating thing= losers lament.

  80. A happy green parrot says: Mar 19, 2017 11:33 AM

    beachsidejames says:
    Mar 19, 2017 11:10 AM
    Choke season if they don’t win every game and that includes the super bowl …. Goober.

    ——————

    I agree and thank you James for coming out and just saying it. And lets think about what that means. For the Patriots anything short of winning the SB is considered a bad year. No other team can hold themselves to that standard. No other fan base can enjoy having such a thing as their year in year out expectation. Its really amazing when you think about it.

  81. bubfu says: Mar 19, 2017 11:35 AM

    maust1013 and popcherrycoke said it best. This whole schedule excuse that’s trotted out every year is a complete myth. The biggest reason why the AFCE “seems” weak is specifically because the Pats are in that division. Take away the Pats and Miami would be 12-4 (not bad), Bills could go 9-7 (maybe make the playoffs). Jets… well, there’s no helping the Jets right now but every division has it’s weak spot and they’ve been good in the recent past.

    They key to the SuperBowl is home field. We have to contend with Denver, Pittsburgh, KC, Oakland and sometimes others for that. And it usually comes down to us playing and winning those regular season games away. We had to play in and lost to Denver 2 years ago and look how that worked out.

    Point is, stop crying about schedule. Fact is you’re wrong. Every division has it’s warts and ours actually isn’t that bad. Next excuse please…

  82. likuidsmoke says: Mar 19, 2017 11:38 AM

    discodonniethetrumpettes says:
    Mar 19, 2017 8:31 AM

    Huh? Weakened at CB. Weakened at TE. Weakened at RB. And a new deep threat on a team that relies on short to medium passing.

    Where exactly is that gain again?
    ——————–

    They just added Gilmore, and probably will retain Butler. Even Gilmore replacing Butler is not weakened, Gilmore has a higher ceiling and will excel under Belichick, at worst they stayed the same.

    Weakened at TE? As long as Allen can stay healthy, he’s at least the same if not better than Bennett, he will also excel playing under Brady. Also don’t forget they get a healthy Gronk back, no way that is weakened at TE, if Gronk is back they are obviously better there.

    RB is not weakened, Blount will most likely be back, and James White and Dion Lewis will get better. Also Rex Burkhead could surprise a lot.

    And Cooks is not only a deep threat, he is great at running routes and has great hands, he is even better for the Pats offense than Moss was. Maybe not as explosive, but this dude is going to be dangerous playing with Brady, just watch.

  83. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 11:40 AM

    Dolphins – Choke century…. if the Dolphins don’t win a superbowl in this century.

    Goober Dolphin fans don’t expect them to win.

  84. redsea1111 says: Mar 19, 2017 11:42 AM

    “The last team to repeat as Super Bowl champion was New England, in Super Bowls XXVIII and XXIX (after the 2003 and 2004 seasons).”

    That would be XXXVIII and XXXIX. Or 38 and 39. Those Roman numerals can be tricky.

  85. nepatriot1 says: Mar 19, 2017 11:43 AM

    ar 19, 2017 9:51 AM
    arwiv says:
    Mar 19, 2017 6:57 AM
    Watch out for the Giants. The next time the pats beat them when it matters w

    When the pats win again this year they’ll have a ring for each of JPP’s fingers.
    ————————-
    This is the single most hilarious comment I’ve ever read on PFT. Well done.

  86. weepingjebus says: Mar 19, 2017 11:54 AM

    Watched the SB LI video this weekend. Starts with Deflategate, ends with NFL Films editing out the loud booing of Goodell during the Lombardi ceremony. I bet Brady is watching the thing on a loop with red Terminator eyes. The clowns will never learn.

  87. wib22 says: Mar 19, 2017 12:01 PM

    Why are you so mad chippy?

  88. beachsidejames says: Mar 19, 2017 12:01 PM

    Keeping Goober nation busy on pft is almost as fun as keeping the spring breakers busy…. will send them back home soon boys.

  89. RE LEE says: Mar 19, 2017 12:05 PM

    They won the SB without Gronk. Looking at the roster now with BB, Matty P, and Josh McD still the coaches, winning the SB is really possible. The other contending teams have upheavals with changing of coaches and players. The Patriots are relatively untouched with Brady still the QB. The continuity is to the Patriots advantage. Blitz for Six!

  90. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 12:10 PM

    Sports media outlets should start asking the NFL for a press release containing the PSI information that was collected during the 2015 season.

    They should ask for this information both directly by contacting the NFL and indirectly through articles that sports fans can read.

    It’s important for that information to be released prior to the 2017 NFL Draft. It really should have been released prior to the 2016 NFL Draft.

  91. wmnf says: Mar 19, 2017 12:20 PM

    “It’s an honor and privilege to be a Patriot’s fan. Let the good times roll!”

    Understatement of what’s been a glorious football century so far…….

  92. kayakattack says: Mar 19, 2017 12:23 PM

    As long as they have Brady they are SB favorites, back to the cellar after that

  93. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 12:25 PM

    wib22 says:
    Mar 19, 2017 12:01 PM

    Why are you so mad chippy?

    ———————————————————–
    Imagine rooting for a team that has team logo that looks like an advertisement for an aquarium.

    Then realize that the team with the bad logo hasn’t “won” anything since January 13, 1974.

    Then understand that fans of that bad logo team can’t even appreciate that “win” in the last century because they must admit that the “win” is forever tainted.

    That “win” is forever tainted because the Dolphins tampered and stole a coach from another team. Plus the flooding of the playing field and other schemes.

    Then imagine watching a rival team that has 2 cool logos and the GOAT QB while they go on to win 5 superbowls even while the NFL and the other 31 teams work to cheat that team.

  94. provpats says: Mar 19, 2017 12:36 PM

    d12f6m says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:10 AM
    Patriots are in the perennial worst division in the NFL. When were the Jets, Bills or Miami any good ? If you get a virtual bye into the playoffs every year, you should get to the super bowl way more times than the Patriots do ( if you are the dynasty all you say you are). Instead you have to cheat to get to the Super Bowls you actually went to.

    In BB’s time in NE:

    WP against division .732
    WP everyone else .741

    But what do you care about facts when nonsense requires no research or knowledge

  95. yourunclerico says: Mar 19, 2017 12:37 PM

    piratefreedom says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:03 AM
    The Brady era Patriots have won 5 out of 16 superbowls so 25% means this version is expected to be worse than that 31% average 🙂
    =================
    whats the average for legitimate untainted titles? so far they have earned ONE of those. congrats on finally winning big last year.

  96. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 12:39 PM

    As long as they have Brady…followed by 12 years of Garoppolo…they are SB favorites, back to the cellar after that.

  97. beachsidejames says: Mar 19, 2017 12:43 PM

    All the Tom Brady t-shirts being worn by the spring break girls down here now has been amazing… That’s all they wear … nothing else. I think tonite is wet t-shirt nite right?

  98. beachsidejames says: Mar 19, 2017 12:53 PM

    Time to cut and paste….. Chip…. Chip

  99. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 12:59 PM

    yourunclerico says:
    Mar 19, 2017 12:37 PM

    whats the average for legitimate untainted titles?
    ————————————————————

    5 – for The Patriots
    5 – for Tom Brady
    6 – for Bill Belichick

    Any idea on when the NFL will release the PSI information that they collected during the 2015 season?

  100. fishyinalittledishy says: Mar 19, 2017 1:00 PM

    The Patriots go into the Draft with the best coach in football more than likely the best coach ever not the best Roster as somebody mentioned. 3/4 of that team would be just good players elswere that’s why not to many of them excel elsewhere and the more intelligent ones hang around if they are wanted. This is why despite losing players to suspensions and injury they hardly miss a beat. No team can do that without a great coach.

  101. bamboozle99 says: Mar 19, 2017 1:05 PM

    JPP urges you to hurry and get a patent for “19-0”.

  102. YouCryin?PatsMustBeDoingTheirJob says: Mar 19, 2017 1:11 PM

    Going to championship games and parades are fun. Trolling in March is frustration and jealousy getting the better of you. You aren’t fooling anybody. I love to see your posts. I know it eats at you, otherwise you wouldn’t be here. Remember, the Patriots are world champions, again. And the phins haven’t won a playoff game since 2000. Best. Of. Times.

  103. autumnwind999 says: Mar 19, 2017 1:21 PM

    The Raiders are coming.

  104. beachsidejames says: Mar 19, 2017 1:31 PM

    Best of Times is right. Those # 12’s made last night here tough to beat but we’ll give them another shot tonight. Those NE girls can drink too. Wonder who gets mvp tonight.

  105. wmnf says: Mar 19, 2017 2:02 PM

    The Raiders will find a way to underachieve. They have enough talent, if only they had a coach.

    Kinda like the ‘Burgh.

  106. cjmullysr says: Mar 19, 2017 2:22 PM

    Patriots are in the perennial worst division in the NFL. When were the Jets, Bills or Miami any good ? If you get a virtual bye into the playoffs every year, you should get to the super bowl way more times than the Patriots do ( if you are the dynasty all you say you are). Instead you have to cheat to get to the Super Bowls you actually went to.
    **********************************************
    Is it the Patriots fault that they play in the AFC East? You play who is on your schedule. Using this as an excuse for the Patriots success suggests that you may make excuses in your own life when things don’t go your way.

  107. kissbillsrings says: Mar 19, 2017 3:03 PM

    Just having Gronk back in the lineup strengthens them as returning Super Bowl Champions….anything else is just additional icing on the cake-walk….

  108. provpats says: Mar 19, 2017 4:03 PM

    Actually 7 for BB. Won 2 with Giants. Just updated the boat’s name

  109. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 4:10 PM

    beachsidejames says:
    Mar 19, 2017 12:01 PM

    Keeping Goober nation busy on pft is almost as fun as keeping the spring breakers busy…. will send them back home soon boys.
    ———————————————————–
    Apparently some Prissy Fishy Fans believe that constantly getting owned by Pats fans is an accomplishment.

  110. factpurveyor says: Mar 19, 2017 4:19 PM

    provpats says:
    Mar 19, 2017 4:03 PM

    Actually 7 for BB. Won 2 with Giants. Just updated the boat’s name
    ———————————————————-
    Appreciate the correction.
    Knew he won prior to joining the Pats but lost track of the number.

    I hope BB’s budget isn’t strained by the cost of the paint and the detailing plus the shirts and sweatshirts that are now obsolete. Hope BB sends some of the stuff to the Patriots hall of fame museum.

  111. atwaterslaughter says: Mar 19, 2017 5:38 PM

    9 times out of 10, the winner of free agency does NOT win the Super Bowl the following year. Don’t know why that happens but it does. I’d bet against them.

  112. patsfan4lifesbchamps says: Mar 19, 2017 6:05 PM

    It’s Super Bowl or bust with this team. It is that loaded.

  113. worldizending says: Mar 19, 2017 6:20 PM

    d12f6m says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:10 AM
    Patriots are in the perennial worst division in the NFL. When were the Jets, Bills or Miami any good ? If you get a virtual bye into the playoffs every year, you should get to the super bowl way more times than the Patriots do ( if you are the dynasty all you say you are). Instead you have to cheat to get to the Super Bowls you actually went to.
    ==================================
    I guess it’s too hard for you to actually look up the facts before posting your lame opinion. The AFC East is far from the NFL basement. Look it up. Also, in the past decade, the Jets, “twice” made it to the AFCC game. The Fins made the playoffs last year.

  114. cheeseisfattening says: Mar 19, 2017 6:26 PM

    The Packers will beat them.
    —————
    Shhhhh, do not tell Packer fans the Packers are not favorites. They believe the Packers are the favorite to win the Super Bowl every off season.

  115. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 19, 2017 6:39 PM

    I have a question for those saying NE has an advantage playing in the “weak” AFCE. Would you choose to have your team switch places with MIA, BUF or NY and have to play NE twice each year? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

  116. whywerule says: Mar 19, 2017 6:40 PM

    patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    Mar 19, 2017 6:05 PM
    It’s Super Bowl or bust with this team….
    ———————————————————

    It is Super Bowl or Bust for every NFL team that expects to be good heading into any season.

    Barring a nuclear apocalypse, the Pats will be one of those teams at the start of the 2017 season, and your Jets will not be one of those teams at any point of the 2017 season (and don’t count on 2018 for your Jets).

  117. nhpats says: Mar 19, 2017 6:59 PM

    beachsidejames says:
    Mar 19, 2017 11:10 AM
    Choke season if they don’t win every game and that includes the super bowl …. Goober.

    ————

    It’s quite revealing that Haters like Chippy no longer concern themselves with the Patriots winning.. They now resort to critiquing “how” they win. Last year was a long season for the Haters…..and they had their confidence up with the Pats were down in the SB….only to have their hopes dashed in the end….again….. The football Gods were overly cruel this time….

  118. babygaga19 says: Mar 19, 2017 7:38 PM

    Mar 19, 2017 11:29 AM

    mygirlhassuperhairymanarms says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:40 AM
    You can’t argue with the logic. I agree, the Pats deserve to be the odds on favorites. Their dark, covert cheating techniques are second only to the CIA.
    ———————–
    Is this seriously all you have? The cheating thing= losers lament.
    ____________________________________
    Actually, it is what you have. How many first round draft choices have been taken way? How many millions in fines? Who was suspended at QB? What did the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals rule? Ding, ding, ding. Mommy’s cookies are ready.

  119. plum54 says: Mar 19, 2017 8:16 PM

    Babygaga- seems like you slept through 7th grade science class, or haven’t you had 7th grade science yet? I’m embarrassed for you!
    There was no tampering, so how do you explain the footballs that were under regulation during the Pittsburgh NY Giants game???

  120. bullcharger says: Mar 19, 2017 8:19 PM

    mikeoxwells says:
    Mar 19, 2017 10:00 AM
    I LOVE how pats fans don’t think there’s even a need to play the 2017 season. That they should just be awarded a trophy from now. When it doesn’t work out it will be sweet.

    And a note to all NFL GM’s: if you want to hurt the patriots, don’t do business with the patriots. They like giving up garbage and stockpiling draft picks (Garrapolo).

    ———

    You’ve got it wrong… Patriots fans are still riding high from the biggest come back in Super Bowl history and are enjoying one of he most fun off-seasons in Patriots history.

    Next season is still 6 months of 24 x 7 Patriots coverage away.

  121. bullcharger says: Mar 19, 2017 8:22 PM

    atwaterslaughter says:
    Mar 19, 2017 5:38 PM
    9 times out of 10, the winner of free agency does NOT win the Super Bowl the following year. Don’t know why that happens but it does. I’d bet against them.

    ————

    I will take 1 out of 10 odds for the Patriots to win. That’s fine.

  122. Frazier28/7 says: Mar 19, 2017 8:42 PM

    Nice Roman numerals slick

  123. ariani1985 says: Mar 19, 2017 8:45 PM

    This has to be music to 2 yard toms ears!

  124. A happy green parrot says: Mar 19, 2017 9:19 PM

    autumnwind999 says:
    Mar 19, 2017 1:21 PM
    The Raiders are coming.

    ———————-

    I hope so, as a Pats fan I totally hope so. Thats a game we seriously need to get done. Hopefully no injuries either way, both teams full strength having at it. What football is all about.

  125. A happy green parrot says: Mar 19, 2017 9:43 PM

    ariani1985 says:
    Mar 19, 2017 8:45 PM
    This has to be music to 2 yard toms ears!

    —————

    Yeah, pinned at the two yard line and still getting it downfield for the game winner is something he’s gotten known for.

  126. A happy green parrot says: Mar 19, 2017 9:56 PM

    babygaga19 says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:38 PM

    Actually, it is what you have. How many first round draft choices have been taken way? How many millions in fines? Who was suspended at QB? What did the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals rule? Ding, ding, ding. Mommy’s cookies are ready.

    ——————————————

    I can work through those questions……

    How many first round draft choices have been taken way? – 1

    How many millions in fines? – 1

    Who was suspended at QB? -Brady

    What did the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals rule? – They ruled that despite the court finding that the NFL had no evidence of any tampering and no grounds for any of the above punishments the wording in the CBA said they could still do it anyways.

    Ding, ding, ding. Mommy’s cookies are ready – Ill take a glass of milk with mine.

  127. whispersd says: Mar 19, 2017 10:36 PM

    “briang123 says:
    Mar 19, 2017 8:34 AM
    Typical for the NFL to bend over backwards to accommodate the Patriots. The rules never seem to apply to them.”

    —-

    How do people type nonsense like this?

    I mean, aside from ironically?

  128. whispersd says: Mar 19, 2017 10:39 PM

    “Actually, it is what you have. How many first round draft choices have been taken way? How many millions in fines?”

    First-year law students know the difference between evidence of guilt and evidence of punishment. Using evidence of punishment to conclude guilt is characteristic of inquisitions and witch trials.

  129. fjw2 says: Mar 20, 2017 11:11 AM

    beachsidejames says:
    Mar 19, 2017 9:02 AM
    Lets be honest. If they don’t go undefeated as loaded as this team is and the easy 6 games they play in their own division then its a choke season.

    ————————

    Hilarious.

    Chippy is a Miami Dolphins fan, one of the 3 teams in the AFC east that he says give the Patriots 2 easy wins each per year. This is how a Miami fan feels about his home team.

    This is also why he constantly posts on Patriots topics using a multitude of different aliases. It’s called trolling.

  130. mmack66 says: Mar 20, 2017 1:12 PM

    The Raiders got beat down twice by the Chiefs last season. Why do you delusional Raiders fans think they could have been any sort of competition for the Patriots?

  131. Nature's Worms says: Mar 25, 2017 8:38 PM

    oetoronto says:
    Mar 19, 2017 7:26 AM

    I hope the Raiders get revenge this year for the Snow Job in New England.

    YOU WANT REVENGE???????????

    Darryl Floyd Stingley (September 18, 1951 – April 5, 2007) says Hi!

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