Report: Contract parameters “mostly in place” for Saints, Malcolm Butler

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Cornerback Malcolm Butler met with the Saints last week and his visit ended without the announcement of an offer sheet that would bring us closer to finding out where Butler will play in 2017.

The conversations between team and player still appear to have been productive, however. Mike Giardi of CSN New England reports that parameters for a contract are “mostly in place” between Butler and New Orleans. Per Giardi, the amount of guaranteed money is still the source of “quibbling” in the negotiations.

Butler was tendered as a restricted free agent at the first-round level by the Patriots, which means New England can match any offer or get a first-round pick in return. If that’s how things played out with the Saints, they’d be giving up the 11th overall pick rather than the No. 32 pick they received from the Patriots in the trade for wide receiver Brandin Cooks.

They might prefer to send that pick back to New England, although that can’t happen unless Butler signs his tender with the Patriots. As long as he’s unsigned, Butler can’t be traded and things will stay in a holding pattern until Butler signs something with either team.

86 responses to “Report: Contract parameters “mostly in place” for Saints, Malcolm Butler

  1. It’s a one-way ticket to nowhere for Butler, unless the contract is lucrative in guarantees.

    Play one more year for the Patriots, you get the opportunity to be a hero in games that mean something in front of national audiences. That means a really big payday in 2018 with the team of your choice.

    Play for the Saints, and you disappear into a mediocre defense where the other team just avoids you, so your numbers drop, your big plays go away, and no one sees your games because you’re in a mediocre division outside of all major media markets. All for a likely lesser salary because you’re jumping ship now.

    I’m all for Butler taking the path that’s best for him and his family, but we’ve seen this story before.

  2. The Patriots are simply the best at every facet of the NFL. Amazing how much they’ve been able to improve their roster after winning the Super Bowl. Gilmore wasn’t used right in Buffalo but Belichick will put him in the right spot to succeed. And in an era where no one trades anymore the Patriots, the Pats pull off 3 crucial trades to kickoff free agency with this 4th right around the corner

  3. Some people have criticized Butler’s agent for being out of his depth, but as we all know, most of these “sources” in these trade stories are agent driven. So this guy should be getting high marks for driving this story for the last 2 weeks.

    The Patriots DON’T generally give any warning about impending trades (as we all know) so we know that these stories aren’t coming from that side. Neither do the Saints, from what I’ve been told from Saints fans. So clearly this is coming from the agent.

    So Kudos to him for doing a good PR job on this, but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen, and these mediots will all have to offer up mea culpas for being wrong. But I forgot, there is no accountability in sport media these days. So if or when this “trade” breaks down, they can just pretend stories like this one didn’t happen.

  4. If Belichick lands the #11 pick in the draft for Butler than just give him the Exec of the Year award right now. Butler is a very good player but you trade that guy for the #11 pick in the draft every day of the week. No brainer.

  5. Butler goes to the Saints, makes bank and becomes a member of a medicre at best team. Meanwhile the reigning SB champs sign a servicable replacement and get the 11th pick in the draft. So the Pats in essence traded Butler for Cooks and swapped the 32nd pick for the 11th. Okay, where do I sign?

  6. pastabelly says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:09 PM

    The Patriots should do the right thing and match the offer if it’s reasonable.
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    “Right thing”?

    As a New England fan as well as a fan of Butler as both a person and a player, it makes no sense to give FA money to a RFA. It’s not about what Butler deserves or has earned, but about the salary cap management practices which have afforded NE with nearly 2 decade of dominance in the salary cap and free agency era. To cave into Butler’s agent would set the kind of precedence which would likely result in other players and their agents being encouraged to try to force early negotiations. That is NOT the “right” thing to do.

  7. There is no way the Patriots should trade Butler unless it is for the 11th. The Pats really need to stand firm on this one. Otherwise, they set the precedent that all their top-flight rfa’s can force their way out of town.

    And quite frankly, Butler shouldn’t want this deal unless the Saints are absolutely breaking the bank. Otherwise he risks never seeing unrestricted Free Agency.

    The Saints are cap-strapped, so I don’t see how Butler is maximizing his dollars. Hes 27 years old, and if its a four year deal (most likely because the Saints would have to be able to spread the hit over a number of years), so he would hit free agency at 31/32 at the earliest.

    Butlers agent is really doing him a disservice by pushing this thru. But then again, its Butlers choice. I don’t blame him for trying to get as much as he can as fast as he can, but this is short sighted.

  8. Here is what I would like to see happen…

    #1 Butler stays with NE for 4 more years.

    or

    #2 Butler goes to NO and NE gets pick #11.

    DO NOT let him go for #32!

  9. .
    I’ve got to think that Butler’s agent did him a grave disservice. Even if he was unfamiliar with the rules of the game, all he had to do was observe the contract details of former Pat’s CB Logan Ryan. Ryan made 3.8 million over the four years of his rookie contract. He recently became an UFA and signed a 10 million a year contract with the Titans. Butler could have easily played for his 3.1 million dollar tender this year and broke the bank (12-15 million) with a strong season on the big stage. He’ll be lucky to average 10 million if he’s dealt to the Saints.
    .

  10. With most teams you would assume the Pats hold out for the 11th pick. Given that BB and Payton are brothers in arms against the NFL you have to think the compensation has been discussed and 32 will be coming back to the Pats.

  11. Pats fans, clearly Butler was part of the trade talks for Cooks. Since he wasn’t tendered they could not include him. Also, the Saints knew the deal was happening and wanted to avoid throwing away 750k in roster bonus due to Cooks the following week. So pulling off the trade when they did was required.

    Saints and Pats are VERY close. Sean and Bill seem to be friendly. This team has made mutually beneficial trades multiple times. I think Butler was always part of the trade. They just couldn’t include him at that time for reasons I expressed above.

    So you are not getting pick 11 for him. If that were the case the Pats would have forged Butlers signature on his tender. =)

    You traded Collins for a 3rd. You traded Jones for a 2nd. Collins is arguably a top 5 MLB, Jones arguably a top 5 EDGE. Why do you believe a top 10 CB is not worth the #11 pick?

    I agree…if you get it. Saints are dumb and Pats have a spell on every other team. But I’ll be shocked to see that being the compensation. I think you get our 2nd round pick.

  12. kevpft says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:14 PM
    It’s a one-way ticket to nowhere for Butler, unless the contract is lucrative in guarantees.

    Play one more year for the Patriots, you get the opportunity to be a hero in games that mean something in front of national audiences. That means a really big payday in 2018 with the team of your choice.
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    That’s assuming he doesn’t get injured in 2017. Can’t knock the guy for trying to get paid in actual “guaranteed money” right now.

  13. waste of money and waste of good yrs…the saints wont be competing for anything, with or without him

  14. Take the 11th overall pick for Butler, sign Revis to a modest one year deal, draft Derek Barnett with the NO pick to bolster the pass rush. Take a flyer on Sidney Jones in the third round, red shirt him while he recovers from his Achilles rupture, and perhaps he becomes a long term replacement for Butler.

  15. pastabelly says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:09 PM
    The Patriots should do the right thing and match the offer if it’s reasonable.

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    The “the right thing” is the thing that gets them another championship. Period. End of story.

    I like Butler, but it is clear to me that Belichick values Gilmore’s skills more than his. How many times have we seen the Pats get rid of a productive player only to become better for it? I’m done doubting the man in the hoodie.

  16. The #11 pick from this draft isn’t going anywhere.

    If a deal gets done, it will be for the #32 pick from this draft. The Patriots will most likely just get that back from the Saints.

  17. 4rings4brady says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:24 PM

    The Saints are cap-strapped, so I don’t see how Butler is maximizing his dollars.
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    The Saints 2017 cap situation won’t play into it all that much. First year cap hits can be pretty much whatever a team wants/needs it to be.

  18. valentino8100 says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:23 PM
    pastabelly says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:09 PM

    The Patriots should do the right thing and match the offer if it’s reasonable.
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    “Right thing”?

    As a New England fan as well as a fan of Butler as both a person and a player, it makes no sense to give FA money to a RFA. It’s not about what Butler deserves or has earned, but about the salary cap management practices which have afforded NE with nearly 2 decade of dominance in the salary cap and free agency era. To cave into Butler’s agent would set the kind of precedence which would likely result in other players and their agents being encouraged to try to force early negotiations. That is NOT the “right” thing to do.
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    WRONG – New Orleans offer takes into account a discount factor for having to pay Butler and give up a first round pick. They aren’t paying the same as they would if Butler were a free agent. You can bet that Butler won’t be signing for Gilmore money. If it’s Gilmore money, you move on. If it’s discounted, you do the right thing and match.

  19. the 32 for butler isn’t a good deal.

    pats would obviously draft a CB in round 1, and talent at 11 is higher than the rest of it. SO yeah

  20. gbpackfan3 says:

    Gilmore wasn’t used right in Buffalo but Belichick will put him in the right spot to succeed.
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    Can you actually explain how he wasn’t used right in Buffalo, or is this just some assumption based on Rex Ryan? Because, while Rex absolutely could not have used his front 7 any worse, his defense put Gilmore on an island in man-to-man coverage, which is what Gilmore is supposed to be best at.

    He was used exactly the way he should’ve been, the results were just wildly inconsistent. He is a guy who can stick to pretty much any receiver in coverage. But he has has weaknesses: he is vulnerable to the deep ball, his ball skills often stink (I’m aware of the 5 interceptions, but if you actually watch the Bills you know that those were primarily just the QB throwing it into his numbers), he doesn’t tackle, and is very injury prone.

    There are times when he looks like one of the best CBs in the game, but that usually is not the case. If you wanna believe that Belichick can coach health and all of these bad habits out of a guy who has been in the league for 5 years then good luck, but typically guys who sign big money deals with new teams don’t get better on the new team.

  21. If the Saints give up that 11th pick and a huge contract for Butler, they will be crucified in New Orleans. They shouldn’t even be talking first round compensation.

  22. Mar 20, 2017 12:33 PM
    Pats fans, clearly Butler was part of the trade talks for Cooks. Since he wasn’t tendered they could not include him. Also, the Saints knew the deal was happening and wanted to avoid throwing away 750k in roster bonus due to Cooks the following week. So pulling off the trade when they did was required.
    Saints and Pats are VERY close. Sean and Bill seem to be friendly. This team has made mutually beneficial trades multiple times. I think Butler was always part of the trade. They just couldn’t include him at that time for reasons I expressed above.
    So you are not getting pick 11 for him. If that were the case the Pats would have forged Butlers signature on his tender. =)
    You traded Collins for a 3rd. You traded Jones for a 2nd. Collins is arguably a top 5 MLB, Jones arguably a top 5 EDGE. Why do you believe a top 10 CB is not worth the #11 pick?
    I agree…if you get it. Saints are dumb and Pats have a spell on every other team. But I’ll be shocked to see that being the compensation. I think you get our 2nd round pick.
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    you nailed it except I think it will be #32 coming back to the Pats

  23. The Pats can’t match any offer because a trade will be worked out in lieu of an offer sheet. The same thing happened with Welker. There was was never any offer sheet. If the Saints did submit an offer sheet, they would have to give up the #11 pick. That ain’t gonna happen.

  24. Saints have been too invested in this and they also have some special ties to the Patriots. There is no way this ends with anything but Butler being traded for the #32 (or more). It will not be #11 however otherwise the Saints could just sign Butler to an offer sheet and get it done with already.

    Not a fan of the idea of losing Butler but all in all this is a win-win-win scenario for all three parties: The Patriots get a compensation for a player who wanted to get paid right away and therefore was probably not going to be with them longer, Butler gets paid and the Saints get a good and proven CB for a decent price.

  25. The Patriots should do the right thing and match the offer if it’s reasonable

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    you just don’t get it. that ship sailed. the short term
    guaranteed money went to gilmore at the cb position.

    it is the same reason the saints are quibbling with
    butler’s demands

    bb and kraft saw it early and decided to move on

    bb has the leverage, as always

  26. I really like Butler as a player, but I have no idea how the Patriots see him vs what they think they need.

  27. First, off the Saints are not cash strapped this season…second no on is getting the 11th pick so forget that. 3rd how is the NFC South a mediocre division? Carolina and Atlanta just went to the SB back to back.

  28. darthsaint says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:33 PM
    So you are not getting pick 11 for him. If that were the case the Pats would have forged Butlers signature on his tender. =)
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    As I see it there are three choices. Match the offer, let him go and take #11 or Saints don’t offer and Pats keep Butler for $3.1m. Why would they end up with less than the #11 if the Saints make an offer??

  29. gregfalco15 says:
    Mar 20, 2017 1:06 PM
    Saints have been too invested in this and they also have some special ties to the Patriots. There is no way this ends with anything but Butler being traded for the #32 (or more). It will not be #11 however otherwise the Saints could just sign Butler to an offer sheet and get it done with already.

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    Please explain, this makes no sense. The Patriots either get Butler for $3.1m or they get the #11. Why would anything else be on the table?

  30. Payton and GM must be in panic mode to give up 11th pick when they could pick a young CB, more ability and much cheaper.

  31. It’s the Patriots. They do two things regularly: win Superbowls and do really weird stuff with players in the offseason. Since I accept the first one, I have to accept the second one, too.

    Bye, Scrap…or Strap, whichever it was.

  32. My guess is Butler is gone. Pats restricted him for a reason. I suspect Butler wasn’t a priority this year and they wanted to see him perform another year before investing heavily into him (which I mostly agree with). I doubt they match the Saints. Largely because the Saints aren’t going to pay him like he was a RFA. They will pay him like an UFA. Which the Pats will not do (or they would have done that from the outset). The Pats are a better team with Butler than without. Hope this doesn’t come back to bite them in the backside.

  33. If you are sitting at a table negotiating anything with BB. You need to get up and get the hell out of there! He is already beating you in ways you haven’t even thought of yet!

    Can you imagine the poor car salesman when BB walks in to buy something. By the time he leaves, they have paid him to take the entire dealership.

  34. Bill is done with Butler. As much as he values the opinions of us fans, Butler will never play for the Pats again. You take the Patriot way deal or you go somewhere else. We know how this ends.

  35. firecracker87 says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:58 PM
    Right now, NE are favorites to win SB 52 with a 5-1 odds. I predict no matter how this pans out they’ll be at 4-1 odds.
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    Not a very bold prediction considering there was an article here at PFT yesterday reporting the Pats as being 4-1 right now and it is currently number 6 on the ‘most commented’ list on the right of this page.

  36. tbisgod says:
    Mar 20, 2017 1:31 PM
    Bill is done with Butler. As much as he values the opinions of us fans, Butler will never play for the Pats again. You take the Patriot way deal or you go somewhere else. We know how this ends.

    ———————–

    Disagree. If the Saints make no offer Butler will play one more year in NE for $3.1m. The idea that Butler is getting screwed is just wrong. Gilmore got the money because he was unrestricted, MB has one more year to get to that point. Play it out and leave on your own terms.

  37. Take the 11th overall pick and let Malcom chase his payday early…

    Don’t get me wrong, he’s a good corner, but it’s time to cut bait, he obviously is more interested in the $$$ now, so bit it…

    Adios Malcom, next man up….

  38. Belichick is so far ahead of every other GM and coach in this league it’s sickening.
    Whatever kraft is paying him, it’s not enough.
    Cowboys used to have a guy like belichick from 89-93, but our owner thought he was belichick and or johnson.
    Guys like those two are honestly priceless.

  39. Bill like picks…
    My guess is if Butler & the Saints can come to terms, Butler signs the tender & Bill ends up swapping Butler for the Saints 2nd rounder this year & their 3rd & 7th next year as the Pats won’t have either of those picks next year due to prior trades made….OR Bill settles for getting pick # 32 back this year…
    I DO NOT see the Pats getting pick 11… The contract & that high of a pick would probably be too much for the Saints to give up for Butler….

    There is also the possibility BB matches the Saints off & keeps Butler, but I believe that option to be the least plausible one

  40. “the amount of guaranteed money is still the source of “quibbling” ”

    It was nice knowing you Malcolm. Enjoy New Orleans rebuilding program, while you count your money.

  41. Boy are folks quick to ignore injury risk.

    Butler is 27 and hasn’t had a big payday. Could he play this next year and then hit UFA and make bank in ’18? Sure! Unless he pops an Achilles or tears an ACL or patella tendon or suffers a couple bad concussions or… or… or…. in which case he’s lucky if someone pays him minimum to warehouse him for a year, a la Shead in Seattle.

    If it turns out 4/40M with the Saints is his big payday that’s still a HUGE payday! Generational money.

  42. rob471773 says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:36 PM

    kevpft says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:14 PM

    Play one more year for the Patriots, you get the opportunity to be a hero in games that mean something in front of national audiences. That means a really big payday in 2018 with the team of your choice.
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    That’s assuming he doesn’t get injured in 2017. Can’t knock the guy for trying to get paid in actual “guaranteed money” right now.

    ——————————

    You are right and agreed. Labor seems to be getting treated as more disposable by the year, in the NFL and everywhere else. (They get paid more, though.)

  43. rwhite151 says:

    Please explain, this makes no sense. The Patriots either get Butler for $3.1m or they get the #11. Why would anything else be on the table?
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    It’s about value. In simple words would you rather have Butler for 1 year at $3.91m or the #32 pick (or more)?

    We don’t know the exact details but apparently the Patriots tried to either milk his RFA status or sign him for roughly what he’d have made in 4 years anyway, i.e. $24-28m ($600k last year + $3.91m this year + 2 years of a CB market price at $11-12m/year). Meanwhile, apparently Butler wanted to get paid earlier, at market value and bypass his RFA status. No matter how much Butler deserves to get paid, that creates a bad precedent so apparently the parties came to an impasse and one good solution for all parties is trading him to the Saints for draft capital.

  44. dvdman123 says:
    Mar 20, 2017 1:37 PM
    If I were the Saints I tell the Pats we’ll give you our
    2nd round pick or your can keep him. It’s as simple
    as that.
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    Which translates to Butler being forced to sign his tender or hold out. Which translates to Butler playing the second half of the year for the Pats in order to reach FA. Which translates to Butler being able to pick whichever team he wants to play for at an even more expensive price tag.

    Good luck with that.

  45. With the Patriots, Butler gets to play six games against the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins QBs. With the Saints he’d face Ryan, Winston, and Newton.

  46. Harmon re-signed with the Patriots because he said the team knows how to use him. I hope the Saints would know how to use Butler effectively the way the Patriots groomed him and became a formidable player. That is the advantage with the Patriots. They can mold an average player to a very effective player, whereas some really gifted players languish in other teams. I wonder if Butler is taking that into consideration. BB will maximize his value with the trade since Butler will cost a lot of money later on.

  47. Settle down, the Saints are not signing him to an offer sheet, and the 11th pick is not going to be involved. If/when they come to an agreement on a salary they’ll negotiate compensation from the Patriots, Butler will sign his tender, get traded, and then get a new contract/extension from the Saints. The trade will not involve the 11th pick, and may be for no more than a 2nd or 3rd rounder based on the Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins trades (probably 2nd round, pick 42).

  48. It looks like the Saints won’t part with #11 (BB wouldn’t either), and BB wants more than #32, so what will prob happen is Butler for # 32 + a 3rd or a 2nd in 2018 or something along those lines.

  49. pastabelly says:
    Mar 20, 2017 12:09 PM

    The Patriots should do the right thing and match the offer if it’s reasonable.

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    Huh? There is no “right thing”, its business and it is completely in Butler’s court now. Pats now probably prefer he not sign the tender so they can either keep him or try to get that #11 Saints pick.

  50. johnodocks says:
    Mar 20, 2017 2:21 PM

    With the Patriots, Butler gets to play six games against the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins QBs. With the Saints he’d face Ryan, Winston, and Newton.
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    With Patriots, Butler faced a first place schedule every year and deep playoff runs every year

  51. Since Brady is getting his jerseys back, if Malcom leaves does Brady get his truck back.

  52. The Jets traded Revis for the #13 pick. He was an All-Pro 3 of the previous 4 seasons.

    Champ Bailey was traded (with a pick) for Clinton Portis.

    The Pats aren’t getting the #11 pick for Butler.

  53. Obviously the Saints can just trade the #11 to somebody else, then make the Butler offer which would cost them the #32 after removing the #11. After that they could feasibly trade what they get for the #11 to get back a first round pick if they desire.

    The Pats and the Saints are kindred spirits of sorts because of the despicable Goodell. They probably have a deal in place for the #32 from the prior negotiations. There is absolutely no good reason for either to get cute in this and burn an otherwise very worthwhile bridge amid a sea of scoundrels.

  54. I don’t know that I can blame him, Patriot way or not. Right now he is looking at making $3.1 million and $16 million next under the franchise tag or $19ish million over 2 years. When the top players at his postion are making $26 and $28 million over the same time. Factor in being 29 by the time he’s a UFA and he may never get better than the one year on the franchise tag. His leverage for a good deal will never be better than now.

  55. dvdman123 says:
    Mar 20, 2017 1:37 PM
    If I were the Saints I tell the Pats we’ll give you our
    2nd round pick or your can keep him. It’s as simple
    as that.
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    And if so, I would gladly keep him and take a 3rd round compensatory pick a year later. It’s not like the Pats are rebuilding, assuming health they have a chance to win it again next year and that chance only improves if Butler is still on the team next year. In my opinion the Pats have all the leverage here. See what the Saints contract looks like and then decide if it’s worth it to match and keep a good player and fan favorite or decline and take the 11th pick. I wouldn’t even bother talking a trade for 32…what else am I missing here, the chance that Butler holds out? I like the Saints, but no reason to do them a solid and trade for 32 when you can get 11.

  56. johnodocks says:
    Mar 20, 2017 2:21 PM
    With the Patriots, Butler gets to play six games against the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins QBs. With the Saints he’d face Ryan, Winston, and Newton.

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    Ryan is really good……Newton and Winston…..not so much.

  57. I’m pretty sure the draft pick compensation for Butler was already agreed to by both parties as part of the previous deal. My guess is that the 1 and the 3 are coming back to the Patriots.

  58. At this point hold out for the 11th pick…the Pats would be following the rules and if NO wants him that badly they can have him for the 11th. No one can claim a backdoor deal related to Cooks and they get back the 11th pick which they haven’t had in ages.

  59. Another point people are forgetting is his age. If he plays this year for the Pats he’ll be 28 in his URFA year. It’s no secret most DB being to lose speed and capability near 30. I doubt very much the past would offer him a long term deal next year either…based on BB logic take what you can squeeze and move on. If I had to bet they will get the 32nd pick and perhaps several lower round pick which he likes. Taking the 11th sounds good but they would have to pay that pick much more than the 32nd.

  60. Win, win situation. Lose Butler get 11th pick, or match and keep Butler after NO sets his market value. Unreal how innovative Belichick can be on the field as a coach and off as a GM.

  61. Darthsaint….The point you seem to be missing is that NE holds all the cards in this game. Comparing compensation from previous trades is irrelevant…..Thinking that BB will settle for a 2nd is Homer thinking. My guess is they get the 11th pick or the 32nd and a third this year or a second next year. Neither Butler or the saints have any options. Forget about previous trades that BB has made…He holds all the cards in this case.

  62. As a Packers fan, I’m blown away by the efficiency and straight up mastery of this Patriots front office when it comes to managing their team.

    Everyone else is struggling to keep their teams together, meanwhile the Patriots are just getting better.

    This is another perfect example of how they do it. If Butler stays and signs his tender they keep on of the bette cover corners in the league and now have a damn good secondary, if not they get an early first rounder in a draft that’s already stacked defensively. Win Win

  63. BB will take the 11th pick and turn it into a 1st and 2nd rounder this year. One of those will hit big, and BB will have 8 years of play for rookie money. N.O. will have Butler, great player, at market rate….
    Hahahaha…it’s why the Pats are King.

  64. to those of you saying they would get the 32nd pick, no they get the Saints pick which is #11 that’s the way it works. #11, Butler’s agent is a moron, An RFA never gets UFA money, he was offered pretty good money to extend for a player with 3 years exp he should have taken it he hasn’t proven hes worth more than 6 or 7 million a year yet. The Saints are foolish to offer him something the Pats wont match and lose pick 11.

  65. People, The Pats are NOT getting the #11 pick. If the Saints wanted to surrender the #11 pk AND pay Butler they would have just given Butler an offer sheet. No reason to involve the Patriots. Forget about it. It may be the #32 pick, but it wouldn’t even suprise me if it’s #42 and something else. The Pats don’t hold all the cards. The Saints can walk away if the deal is too rich. Belichick is great, but he’s not the only guy in the NFL with a brain. As far as the Pats go, they can’t really lose. If Butler plays her 1 yr for 3.9 mil in a contract yr(they’re not gonna tag him and pay Gilmour next yr), and then getg a compensatory, well, that’s ok. If they get pk(s) and have a player(s) cheap for 4 yrs, that’s ok too. As long as they don’t pull a Ras I Dowling with the pick. And they’ll need CJones to get his head back on straight.

  66. There is a less than 1% chance there s ever an “offer sheet” sent to Butler by New Orleans for him to sign. That is something that will very likely not happen. What will happen is the Saints will tell Butler how much they would be willing to pay him IF he were traded to them by the Patriots.

    Now, follow along here…., Butler would sign his one year tender, with the understanding that he will be traded and the Saints and Patriots will have already decided on the draft pick compensation. The most likely deal is a second round pick this year, #42 (It is just 10 picks after pick #32 afterall.) and a mid round pick next year, Pats probably want a third round pick.

    For those who say, hold out for pick #11, that will be a VERY long wait, because Butler will not sign his tender before the Draft and the Saints will not send him a formal offer sheet to sign. If Butler holds out, he will sign his tender VERY late, get his year under his belt, hit free agency next year and cash in big IF he does not get hurt, or does not wind up in BB’s doghouse or if his play does not fall off the wagon. Those three are all very big risks to Butler.

    Sure, most likely you get a year, or part of a year from Butler, and get a third round compensatory pick in 2018, but isn’t getting a second round pick in 2017 AND a third round pick from the Saints in 2018 (being realistic, most likely a mid round pick) better than just an end of the third round compensatory pick in 2018? The Pats WILL NOT sign Butler to a long term deal, not after the money they just paid for their new #1 CB.

  67. dvdman123 says:
    Mar 20, 2017 1:37 PM
    If I were the Saints I tell the Pats we’ll give you our
    2nd round pick or your can keep him. It’s as simple
    as that.

    If NO goes through all this and offers a 2nd rounder the Pats should tell them to get lost. Getting Butler back for 3.91 million for 1 year is a huge win for them. That gives them an additional year with top talent and time to get a long term deal with, or replacement, for Butler.

  68. God, the Saints are getting absolutely just fleeced by the Patriots. Butler is good, but he’s not worth a 1st round pick. Why is Loomis so obsessed with giving NE his 1st round pick? Bill’s going to be sitting pretty in the draft and will get to pick a 1st round talent for losing an undrafted FA who’s ceiling is as a good number two, and with a new freakishly athletic WR who can run deep and return kicks.

    Cooks is a 1st rounder too. Bill’s getting essentially two 1st round picks for a player New England didn’t even use a draft pick on. Tell me, New Orleans, how you got the better end of this deal.

  69. Malcolm has a 1st round tender on him so….Pats will get pick 32 at a MINIMUM…
    However, Bill may choose to go for additional lower picks speaks out over this years & next years draft….say something like:
    Saints 2nd rounder 2017
    Saints 3rd & 7th rounders 2018

  70. kissbillsrings

    Did you not read the article? #11,…NOT #32.

    If that’s how things played out with the Saints, they’d be giving up the 11th overall pick rather than the No. 32 pick they received from the Patriots in the trade for wide receiver Brandin Cooks.

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