Raiders’ Vegas ante? $325-375 million

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As the Raiders move toward a vote on their proposed move out of Oakland, a key piece of information has emerged regarding the looming relocation process.

Via Peter King of TheMMQB.com, the Raiders will pay a transfer fee in the range of $325 million to $375 million in connection with the jump from Oakland to Las Vegas.

As King notes, that’s considerably less than the $650 million paid separately by the Rams and the Chargers to move to L.A. And it could up being a bargain. One owner suggested to King that, within the next decade to 15 years, “you’ll see the Raiders doing better than at least one of the l.A. teams and potentially both L.A. teams.”

That’s likely correct, in part because the Raiders quite likely will become more popular in L.A. than the Rams or the Chargers, given the relatively short trip via car (roughly four hours) and even shorter by plane from the City of Angels to the City of Sin.

The transfer fee, based on the NFL’s relocation policy, is supposedly determined by factors that include the new income streams, the team’s existing income streams, expenses to be incurred by the team in the new location versus the current location, the desirability of the team’s current stadium and proposed stadium as the location for NFL games, the team’s status under any existing revenue sharing plans and changes to that in the new city, the impact of the move on current and anticipated revenue streams at the league level, and the demographics of the team’s old and new markets.

With all those variables, it’s hard to understand how the Rams and Chargers ended up paying PRECISELY the same amount to move from St. Louis and San Diego, respectively, to Los Angeles. It’s either quite a coincidence or (further) proof that there’s a disconnect between the words the league puts on paper and the NFL doing what it wants to do.

When it comes to the Raiders moving to Las Vegas there are still plenty of details to be addressed (and one fairly large detail that has been largely ignored). Ultimately, all that matters is what the league wants to do. If the league wants the Raiders out of Oakland and in Las Vegas, then that’s what will happen — regardless of whether dropping 60-some twentysomethings into the heart of the nation’s No. 1 gambling destination will lead to outcomes far more troubling than some dude with a credential stealing jerseys from a locker room.

55 responses to “Raiders’ Vegas ante? $325-375 million

  1. How would Las Vegas be any different than Miami for players?

    Both have gambling; you can quibble on the max bets allowed, but if guys are into that it is available in both places. And as for unsavory gambling elements/people: both have them in spades, and an argument can be made that Miami’s are much worse.

    Players know the rules and the law. If they want to break them, they will, and it doesn’t matter the location of the team they play for.

    I am much more concerned about those that have a need for more money, unlike players who are making at least 350k a year. The officials, sideline personnel, stadium staff: all may be far more corruptible than millionaire(or getting there) players.

  2. The owners know they really screwed the Raiders out of the LA market for obvious reason$.

    Now here is the solutions: Either you let the Raiders move to Sin City which Mark has done all own his own.

    Or the “Owners” agree to help fund a state of the Art Stadium in Oakland! It is because of them that the Raiders wont have a new stadium in Carson.

    Simple.

  3. Time to stop holding the NFL to any standards or rules, especially their own. Just enjoy the games while we still have them.

  4. 325 million to move, 500 for the stadium, and a 650 million dollar Bank of America loan. If Mark Davis can pay for that then how come he didn’t come up with that money to stay in Oakland?

  5. Raiders. Raiders, Raiders.

    This Bronco fan is tired of seeing so darn many articles about the Raiders. Of course it’s completely justified.

    After an awesome season that only got thwarted because of a major injury, they continue to grab headlines with stories like this and then there’s the aggressive way they’ve approached Free Agency.

    My guess is, they’ll be better in the draft this year than they’ve been in so many of the drafts over the past 15 years. It’s as if these people want to reclaim the revered status they once held.

    Yep, I’m tired of hearing about them, because it appears they are better poised for the future than my own team. Damn!

  6. The Raiders will probably work out well in Vegas, but it’s a death sentence for The Chargers. LA Raiders fans are going to have no problem cheering for the Vegas Raiders a few hours away. Rams may not get the fan base, but they have the stadium so they aren’t going anywhere. The Chargers however are doomed. There can’t possibly be enough fans in that small of an area.

  7. A cut rate special deal for Mark Davis because he’s not as wealthy as the other owners, but they want to get him out of that crappy stadium in Oakland.

  8. I don’t understand how Mark Davis is going to pay a $325M transfer fee on top of committing $500M towards stadium construction…he doesn’t have the money and the league frowns on teams taking on enormous debt

  9. It just seems right seeing the Raiders in Vegas if they’re not in Oakland. It is just the perfect team and the perfect fit.

  10. BwaaaaHaaaaaaaaaaHaaaaaa!!

    The Raiders could do nothing and still be “doing better than at least one of the l.A. teams and potentially both L.A. teams.”

    If the Raiders suddenly ceased to exist tomorrow….in the next decade to 15 years…they would still have more fans than the LA teams combined.

  11. NFL transfer fees = extortion $$. If you want to move, belly up to the bar & pay for a few rounds.

  12. You can damn near see the Greektown Casino from Ford Field in Detroit. Not to mention the 2 other casinos within the city limits as well as Casino Windsor which is maybe a 20 drive over the border when you factor in time AT the border. Oh did I mention that Windsor has a sports book ?

  13. I wonder what kind of trouble Pacman would get into if he lived in Vegas half the year? If/when he ever gets released here in Cincinnati, I’d love to watch that unfold.

  14. No offense but Oakland doesn’t deserve a professional franchise. The Raiders and the A’s play in the worst stadium in the league. Its not like they were the Cleveland Browns and lost every year they had some good and even some great years but yet they still play in a dump. Move them to Vegas.

  15. Vegas politicians are fools to give Davis 3/4 of a billion dollars. I think with the Trump cuts that are coming they will have far far better things to put the money towards.

    Kraft showed the model anyway. Build a great, cost effective building and fund it privately, not a billion dollar palace.

    Put a complex of stores, restaurants, bars, nightclub and movie theaters around it.

    Put a soccer team and concerts in in the off season.

    Kraft gets all the game day revenue, all the revenue from the MLS Revolution (20-25 games a year that draw 20,000+), all the revenue from concerts and from the leases on Patriot Place around the stadium.

    The only public money was 50 million to improve the local road system which was desperately needed.

    No more welfare for the ultra rich. Enough

  16. Da Sin City Raiders…….boom, as I guy that was born in the bay area and moved to northern Nevada this is ideal if Oakland can’t figure it out, which seems to be the case….so viva Las Vegas

  17. We don’t adjust,we dominate.

    The Raiders are not just a team from Oakland,with just a local fan base like most other teams (Boston),they are truly a “NATION”al culture.This move guarantees that they will become the most Dominant NFL franchise,dominating LA,Nevada and most of northern California as well as the maintaining millions of fans globally that they already have.

    I was in London and I saw Raider gear.I was in Dubai and I saw Raider gear.

    We don’t take what they give,we take what we want!

  18. so… i expect the same wave of negativity that hit the Chargers to also apply to the raiders if they move.
    I dont want to hear any BS from you hypocrites either.
    if you hate the Bolts for moving, the same rules apply to the raiders and the rams.
    lets hear it..
    where is the hate for these teams?

    bunch of political spin is all youve got.

  19. I’m not sure it’s a good idea to plant “60-some twentysomethings” in the heart of the nation’s No. 1 center of immorality, exploitation, and sleaze. Oh, wait, there’s already a team there: Washington DC.

  20. One owner suggested to King that, within the next decade to 15 years, “you’ll see the Raiders doing better than at least one of the l.A. teams and potentially both L.A. teams.”
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    Wow, the owners are finally starting to get it.

    SMH.

  21. Why on earth would Vegas want a team of quitter’s??? Man did they quit on captain Jack against Houston

  22. I was in Oakland and I saw tarps. If your own die hard fan base (cough, cough) won’t support you in your home town (tarps), why will a transient fan base in new city do so? Raiders have always had one of the worst profitability margins in the nfl. Their management is so enept, they can’t keep raw sewage off their field. Most tourists go to Vegas to gamble, not to watch the Raiders who haven’t won a playoff game in 15 years.

  23. The Raiders in Vegas will have an affect on the Rams, Chargers and Cardinals. If the NFL thinks that makes the league better then it happens. Hopefully somebody will find 100 million to pay off the debt owed the city of Oakland.

  24. All of the people comparing your local indian casino or sports book to vegas must have never been to vegas.
    Vegas is in your face with gambling 24/7
    Even guys that dont gamble go to vegas to party and usually gamble a little. When you go to the store in vegas there are slot machines in the front. Vegas is completely different animal. You think players get in trouble at local bars, wait until they are in vegas, it will get worse. Not all players will get in trouble, but all it will take is for one guy to get the gambling bug and start loosing then you will have someone saying to the guy “so about that game this weekend”
    I know the raiders will be moving. It is only a matter of where. Oakland (the city) does not have the money to build 2 stadiums. They have committed to the A’s and i dont blame them. 81 home games vs 8? (not including playoffs and pre season) even with football having a 60000 seat stadium vs 25-30,000 stadium the numbers dont add up. With all the money the nfl has it is incredible that they cant finance their own stadium or loand the Raiders the money for one in Oakland. Oakland is a good place for a stadium. You have bart and the freeway it is fairly easy to get in and out, its too bad the NFL doesnt see that.

  25. If this deal is voted DOWN, it won’t be because of gambling. The NFL debt limit is 250M and Mark Davis cannot undertake well over 1B in debt without the ability to pay it back. That would put the NFL back into the spot to bail Mark out.

    The one thing the NFL loves, is MONEY, and they are not going to sacrifice that for Mark Davis.

  26. pilingon57 says:
    Mar 22, 2017 8:29 AM
    325 million to move, 500 for the stadium, and a 650 million dollar Bank of America loan. If Mark Davis can pay for that then how come he didn’t come up with that money to stay in Oakland?
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    An Oakland stadium will never generate the same revenue that Las Vegas would.

    Destination and convention capital of the world.

    This stadium is going to be a cash cow and everyone knows it. That’s why Mark Davis was easily able to find another financing partner.

    Finding an operator of the stadium is going to be key to realizing all that revenue

  27. Gambling in Vegas is not the issue. The NFL def wants Vegas on their map. The question is, can the Raiders be financially viable there making money for the league.

    The move will be approved but I can see the Raiders again looking for a new home in 5-10 years, begging for handouts. Still, this would give the nfl an attractive relocation/expansion site for a team that knows what they are doing. Raiders seem to be doomed as long as the Davis family is steering the ship.

  28. harrisonhits2 says:
    Mar 22, 2017 9:49 AM

    Put a soccer team and concerts in in the off season.

    Kraft gets all the game day revenue, all the revenue from the MLS Revolution (20-25 games a year that draw 20,000+), all the revenue from concerts and from the leases on Patriot Place around the stadium.
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    MLS is in the process of expanding adding (4) new team and have proposals from (12) cities & Vegas is not on the list. They also have a new spec for the stadium that they seat 18 to 30K.

  29. The wild card here is the loan agreement between the Raiders and Bank of America. You can bet it is a secured loan with the franchise being collateral. Whether that means ownership is unknown but that alone could give the nfl pause for concern.

    I applaud what Mark is trying to do, carry on the legacy of one the nfl’s most iconic brands, but he is way in over his head. See haircut.

  30. “The Raiders are not just a team from Oakland,with just a local fan base like most other teams (Boston)”

    I’ve been to every state in the union except AK and HI and to over 40 countries. I’ve met Pats fans in almost every state and at least 15-20 of the other countries I’ve been in.

    That’s called a worldwide fanbase by the way.

  31. We don’t adjust,we dominate.
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    15 years without a playoff win or division title? Yeah baby, you just keep on dominating! LOL!

  32. That’s the NFL for you. Take teams away from two long-standing NFL markets to give the largest and most apathetic market two mediocre teams.

    Then let the most popular team in the L.A. region, the team actually most desired by the L.A. market, leave the state.

  33. If the NFL was smart they would use Las Vegas as the host city for either Thursday night, Sunday night or Monday night football. 2 teams each week would come to the city and it would bring excitement to the night.

  34. justbegbaby says:
    Mar 22, 2017 12:31 PM
    The wild card here is the loan agreement between the Raiders and Bank of America. You can bet it is a secured loan with the franchise being collateral.
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    Actually you can bet against that. You might want to learn a little about finance before you consider putting any money on a wager about it.

  35. @justbegbaby says – “Query, if the Raiders were such a hot commodity in LA, why did they move back to Oakland? Take your time.”

    You lack the capacity to understand the difference between popularity now versus 21 years ago. You also cannot comprehend the level of popularity needed to be a viable franchise in LA in 1995.

  36. “That’s likely correct, in part because the Raiders quite likely will become more popular in L.A. than the Rams or the Chargers…”

    Based on what? You know this how? What are tomorrow’s winning lottery numbers?

  37. 325 million to move, 500 for the stadium, and a 650 million dollar Bank of America loan. If Mark Davis can pay for that then how come he didn’t come up with that money to stay in Oakland?
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    If you had that kind of money to sink into an investment and your choices were Oakland and Las Vegas, which one do you think will give you the best return?
    (Hint: The one that isn’t Oakland)

  38. “That’s likely correct, in part because the Raiders quite likely will become more popular in L.A. than the Rams or the Chargers…”
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    yah. The Raiders were so hot in LA during the 90’s, Al moved back home with his tail tucked. Ahsum dude!

  39. The only thing the Raider led the NFL in was blackouts for the past 15 years until they tarped the stadium at 50,000. That is why they are moving not because of their mayor

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