More talk in Cleveland of the Browns trading for Jimmy Garoppolo

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Around the NFL, there’s a widespread belief that the Patriots have no plans to trade backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, and see him as not just the backup to Tom Brady in 2017 but the successor to Brady some day down the road. But in Cleveland, there’s a different view.

Talk of the Browns trading for Garoppolo continues, with two of the most clued-in Browns reporters, Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer and Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland, both having new stories today indicating that the Browns will talk to the Patriots about trading for Garoppolo. Grossi even goes so far as to say Garoppolo is the top contender to start the season as the Browns’ starting quarterback, ahead of holdover Cody Kessler.

So is Garoppolo available in a trade? Sure he is, at the right price. Every player in the league is available for the right price. If the Browns offered the first overall pick, the 12th overall pick and the 33rd overall pick in this year’s draft, plus left tackle Joe Thomas, the rights to suspended wide receiver Josh Gordon and Kessler to take Garoppolo’s place on the Patriots’ roster, does anyone seriously think the Patriots would turn all of that down, just to keep a player who might not play for years if Brady stays healthy?

But the Browns aren’t going to make that offer. The question is whether there’s any realistic trade package that the Browns would be willing to give up, and the Patriots would be willing to accept. And most indications out of New England are that the Patriots aren’t willing to give up Garoppolo for anything but an over-the-top offer.

Still, in Cleveland, there’s a belief that Garoppolo could be coming to town. The Patriots may say no, but the Browns will ask.

129 responses to “More talk in Cleveland of the Browns trading for Jimmy Garoppolo

  1. “If the Browns offered the first overall pick, the 12th overall pick and the 33rd overall pick in this year’s draft, plus left tackle Joe Thomas, the rights to suspended wide receiver Josh Gordon and Kessler to take Garoppolo’s place on the Patriots’ roster.”

    Holy moly, Smith. Don’t give the Browns ideas! Those poor folks may actually DO that!!!

  2. I think its going to get done. Definitely includes #12. probably one of the Browns 2017 second rounders, and a 2018 second rounder. probably the later one in each second round.

  3. MichaelEdits says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:05 AM
    They can’t trade Garoppolo because Brady’s older than dirt.
    —————–
    Older than dirt and still playing at a high level…oh, and winning superbowls too.

  4. The Eagles got a 1st and a 4th for Sam Bradford. Bradford had started for several years in the league. Garropolo has one start under his belt. If the Browns trade more than a 2nd round pick for him, well then they are still the Browns.

  5. MichaelEdits says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:05 AM
    They can’t trade Garoppolo because Brady’s older than dirt.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Nice to see Brady is still occupying space in your head…
    Time to move on…

  6. rule #1 dont trade for NE QBs
    Pats have the best system in place, i think Bellicheck can win with the KFC guy and make him look like a pro bowler
    just dont do it

  7. Okay, if the Pats are supposedly dead-set against trading Garappolo, why don’t the Browns make an offer for Brady? He’s got 2-3 yrs left, his contract is cap-friendly, and BB is willing to trade his vets while they are still valuable.
    Would love to see somebody force Belichek to make that decision…

  8. As a Patriots fan, I think the Patriots are insane for playing this game of chicken with the Browns. By all accounts, the the Browns have offered #12 and one of their two seconds this year and Garoppolo will never be worth more.

    If Brady gets hurt this year, so be it. Trade Garoppolo, sign someone like Ryan Fitzpatrick to back him up, give Brisset another year to develop and redraft a young QB in a better QB draft next year.

    There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Brady’s replacement is going to be a kid they develop. Adding #12 and a high second this year would be huge for the Pats and way more useful than Jimmy sitting behind Brady. Fitzpatrick may not be Garoppolo’s ceiling but he’d get the Pats through a Brady injury or deterioration just the same.

  9. Don’t do it. Garopollo blows. Ryan Mallet, Matt Cassell, Garopollo they’re all the same guy, overhyped backups on a great team.

    I hate to say it but the Browns have seemed to make some solid moves to have the franchise headed in the right direction. Trading a high pick for a questionable back end starter is something the old Browns would do. Wait until next year when there are some good qb prospects coming out and go get one.

  10. .
    The Patriots look at comparables and in the QB class it’s Goff, Wentz and the ” suspect” QBs coming out this year. Neither Goff nor Wentz had the polish of Garopollo and yet they were traded for multiple first rounders plus other picks.

    If Garopollo goes, I’m sure Belichick will be expecting a package similar to the Goff and Wentz deals.
    .

  11. Pats gotta do it. He may walk after next year. Pats wont franchise a backup QB. pay him $20 million. the pats would get a 3rd round pick if he leaves. but thats not as good as what the browns will offer. its certainly a conundrum

  12. The Browns will offer more than Garoppolo is worth, making the deal, and Brady will retire sooner than the he’s indicated, leaving some Patriot fans to regret the deal. Both teams will survive.

  13. Trading for a good back up QB from a great team is usually a sucker bet. They look better than the really are because of their supporting cast and great coaching.

  14. Okay, if the Pats are supposedly dead-set against trading Garappolo, why don’t the Browns make an offer for Brady? He’s got 2-3 yrs left, his contract is cap-friendly, and BB is willing to trade his vets while they are still valuable.
    Would love to see somebody force Belichek to make that decision…

    ———-

    it is because everyone with a half of a brain knows
    bb is bluffing about jimmyg

    a deal will get done and he will be in cleveland

    no way bb wants to go into another draft without
    a 1st rd pick of any kind, even if he gets #32 back from the
    saints

    no point in asking for brady when bb’s stance on jimmyg
    is a bluff

  15. For all they know Brady could still play 4-5 years, he’s still that good as a player and in tremendous shape. I highly doubt the Pats are going to hold on to Garoppolo and lose value the closer we get to the draft and his upcoming free agency.

  16. I’m not a browns fan but I’d like to think the browns franchise isn’t that stupid the browns have a lot of draft picks and Brock from Houston granted he’s not top notch but way more upside than RG3 and . So why not rebuild they clearly aren’t ready for a super bowl they don’t have the pieces . Jimmy on the other hand is a Matt castle he played half a game in a good system before glass man got hurt he never played enough to even see what the guys got so why so much hype I bet he doesn’t turn out to be what he’s cracked up to be if he does go to the browns I guess I’ll sit back and see how it plays out

  17. I think its going to get done. Definitely includes #12. probably one of the Browns 2017 second rounders, and a 2018 second rounder. probably the later one in each second round.

    ———–

    Sounds about right. Jimmy is not going to sit behind Brady another 3-5 years. He’s ready to go and his stock has never been higher.

    Once Watson or Trubisky off the board in Rd 1, Jimmy’s stock will then soar.

    Cleveland is likely paranoid of that happening, so BB holds the cards here, no doubt.

  18. Whenever I see an article on how ‘theres talk’ I first off look to see who is doing the talking. In this case its not team officials on either side.

    That this trade is technically possible will always generate talk. But for it to be anything more than that the Patriots would have to decide that having a viable Brady replacement isnt so important after all. Or the Browns will gave to decide they want him bad enough to give away their chances at a future to have him, which is really not reccomended.

    Yeah the Patriots would take the deal in the article in a hot minute. But since that would leave Cleveland with (lets say for arguments sake) an outstanding qb but no team and no future for building one it would no longer matter how good JG is.

  19. There is a reason the pats are the pats and the browns are the browns. This is an opportunity to break that stereotype/cycle.

    Cleavland should offer the #12…OR…Two 2nd round pics one from 2017 one from 2018. Anything more than that is too high a price for a guy who played 1.5 games in the NFL and got hurt.

    The browns should make the off and tell the pats to take it or leave it, and move on. There will be other qb’s in the draft or available next year. They have a lot more holes than just qb so don’t over value/spend.

  20. Instead of trading for Jimmy G, who may be a Scott Mitchell, the Browns should just do what the Redskins did in 2012–draft 2 QBs and hope you hit on one.

  21. I dont get the fascination with Garoppolo. Every QB looks good under Belichick.. They even won with Jacoby Brissett. Bill could squeeze a few solid games out of JeMarcus Russell.

  22. All I know is its impossible to predict what Belichick will do or what he would find an acceptable trade value for Garrappollo

  23. Brady gets two years younger every time he wins a SB, which is why he still looks younger than the current SB droughts for Miami, the Jets, and the Bills.

  24. footballmaven says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:25 AM
    Okay, if the Pats are supposedly dead-set against trading Garappolo, why don’t the Browns make an offer for Brady? He’s got 2-3 yrs left, his contract is cap-friendly…

    =============

    Better take another look at that contract. As always Brady got his cash upfront, it’s only cap friendly if he is on NE’s roster. There’s a fairly ferocious dead money hit if they were to move him.

  25. It’s in the Patriots’ best interest to wait until the 11th player is selected in the draft to decide whether to make the move. Don’t expect this trade to happen soon – I suspect parameters will be in place to quickly make a draft day deal if certain players are on the board.

  26. I disagree about the statement that every player is available at the right price. The Packers will not trade Aaron Rodgers at any price. I mean any price, because without him, they almost certainly won’t make the playoffs. They can help themselves with the number 1 overall pick, but they cannot fill the void created by the departure of Rodgers with that pick. Tom Brady is similar. Although he is pretty old for a football player, there is no sign that he is finished. Seattle may trade Midget Wilson for that number 1 overall pick though. He is not good enough to get the Hogs to the SB if he has to carry the load, unlike Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

  27. The browns are using Kyle Shanahan’s scouting report for Garrapolo after not drafting him the first time. The Browns give up #12/2nd rounder/plus for Garrapolo and the Patriots take the Alabama TE or McCaffrey at #12.

  28. never trust tony grossi at this point he’s nothing but an opinionated, old, tired mouthpiece who manufactures scenarios that won’t ever come true. he’s like the little kid in a store who cries to get attention but no one ever does

  29. @ QB Film Room

    Osweiller to the Pats!!! LOL
    __________________________

    Maybe you are onto something.
    Imagine if the Pats can fix this guys head. A steal.

  30. Nothing against Garoppolo, but the idea of trading a 1st *and* maybe 2nd round pick (or worse yet, multiple 2nd round picks) in this scenario is completely ridiculous. It shows the kind of nearsightedness and desperation that underscores why some teams never improve.

    Every year, there’s 1-2 backup-caliber QBs that get crazily over hyped. Someone either makes an idiot move (e.g., Texans shelling out $$$$ for Brock Osweiler) or there’s tons of unwarranted speculation. It’s not that these guys are awful QBs — they’re just over-valued based on a small sample of performance and wind up getting way more attention and/or money than they’re worth. After how he looked a couple seasons ago, I thought someone was going to do something similar with AJ McCarron by now. We’ll see.

  31. .
    @michaeledits

    “.. Brady’s older than dirt ”

    ———

    Actually you’re correct. At 40 years old, Brady has already surpassed the average retirement age for most QBs. However when you saw him on the field last year and in the Super Bowl, your eyes told you were looking at a QB in his prime. How long will Brady play? Nobody knows. However, he’s said repeatedly that he enjoys the practice, the workouts, the meetings and most things that other players loathe. I follow the Patriots closely and I have no idea whether Brady will play another year, another five, or even another decade.
    .

  32. If Garoppolo could bring his teammates and coaching staff with him it’d be a great trade for the Browns. But doubtful Brady himself could win with the Browns.

  33. I dont get the fascination with Garoppolo. Every QB looks good under Belichick.. They even won with Jacoby Brissett. Bill could squeeze a few solid games out of JeMarcus Russell.

    ————-

    If you’re looking for a QB for the next decade, he’s as good of a prospect as you’re going to find:

    1. Mature
    2. Coachable
    3. High football IQ
    4. Super quick release
    5. Accurate

    He also goes through the progressions and runs the offense similarly to how Brady runs it. No one will be Brady, but as far as skill set goes, you won’t find a better prospect in 2017.

    As a Pats fan, I would have no issue seeing my team win 10+ games every year with Garoppolo under Center, as opposed to Brady leading the team to 12+ wins, minimum, every year.

    So, if you’re a crap franchise that needs a QB, he’s clearly someone you should be looking to acquire. He is hands down the best QB drafted other than Brady during BB’s tenure.

  34. Ok… so the Patriots are favored to win the Super Bowl already and they have a back up QB that they don’t even want to trade and some other team is willing to at least give them a first round draft pick for him.

    It’s embarrassing.

  35. tylawspick6 says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:38 AM

    it is because everyone with a half of a brain knows
    bb is bluffing about jimmyg

    a deal will get done and he will be in cleveland

    no way bb wants to go into another draft without
    a 1st rd pick of any kind, even if he gets #32 back from the
    saints

    no point in asking for brady when bb’s stance on jimmyg
    is a bluff

    —————————-

    I dont know that he is bluffing (or that he isnt) and I have well over a half almost 2/3 of a brain.

    I’m not sure BB isnt willing to go without a first rounder in the draft (he has had to do that before and still came out ok) if he is happy with what he got instead. All I know for sure is that trying to figure out or predict Belichicks thoughts is pretty much pure guesswork with hit or miss luck.

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  36. It’s in the Patriots’ best interest to wait until the 11th player is selected in the draft to decide whether to make the move. Don’t expect this trade to happen soon – I suspect parameters will be in place to quickly make a draft day deal if certain players are on the board.

    ———

    Nailed it.

  37. ZULU Agency says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:23 AM
    rule #1 dont trade for NE QBs
    Pats have the best system in place, i think Bellicheck can win with the KFC guy and make him look like a pro bowler
    just dont do it

    Do you mean Colonel Sanders?

    I’ll bet Belichick has an old scouting report on him from his dad Steve that he could quote from memory.

    “Leadership abilities off the charts…OK arm/compact release, undersized but makes up for it with good decision making and nimble-minded progressions…makes an excellent bucket of fried chicken…”

    “We like him as a late-round choice–maybe take him on a flyer and see what he can do in camp…”

  38. Browns should offer #12 and a 3rd next year. JG could force things by demanding a trade and refusing to show up for OTAs. He’s ready to start now and wants to get paid this year, not next I’m sure. On the other hand, going to Cleveland…

    Brady is the LOAT

  39. I still say the Cardinals are a darkhorse team for JimmyG. Palmer is in his last year.

    There should be NUMEROUS teams involved here, but many are too dumb to realize how good a prospect JimmyG is.

  40. I LOVE Jimmy G. With that being said, the tuna himself said Brissett would fit in our system. I have not seen enough of Jacoby. Hell, we’ve seen as much of him as we did Jimmy. My thing is the CANNON Garappolo has. If Cleveland deals their #12 and next years #2nd, then sure

  41. My guess is it gets done as follows:
    2017 : picks 12 & 33 & Gordons rights
    2018 : 2 2nd round picks & 4th rounder

    Pats give up Garopallo & 3rd & 5th rounders in 2017

  42. I can’t wait for tomorrow’s top story: “Browns are not seriously looking at Garoppolo”, and then Wednesday’s top story “Browns are targeting Mitchell Trubisky”, and then…

  43. All I can say to Belichick is do not trade Garappolo. He’s going to be for the Patriots what Brady was in 2001. He IS the Pats future!

  44. If Jimmy is that good, according to Pats homers, then why trade him? Once Brady leaves Belichick will follow because he doesn’t want to deal with mediocre team. Without Brady Belichick is an under .500 coach.

  45. nomar8477 says:

    “Pats gotta do it. He may walk after next year. Pats wont franchise a backup QB. pay him $20 million. the pats would get a 3rd round pick if he leaves. but thats not as good as what the browns will offer. its certainly a conundrum.”

    This ^^^

  46. osiris33 (bandwagon since 1976) says:
    Mar 27, 2017 10:18 AM
    …..JG could force things by demanding a trade and refusing to show up for OTAs…..
    —————————————————

    When has an agent or player successfully forced anything out of Belichick?

  47. navyvandal says:
    Mar 27, 2017 10:19 AM
    I LOVE Jimmy G. With that being said, the tuna himself said Brissett would fit in our system. I have not seen enough of Jacoby. Hell, we’ve seen as much of him as we did Jimmy. My thing is the CANNON Garappolo has. If Cleveland deals their #12 and next years #2nd, then sure
    ——————————
    LOL Brisset sucks. He got shut out by the Bills AT HOME. And don’t give that “oh he was injured” excuse since Pats homers love to call out fans of other teams. Brisset isn’t good, he sucks. Not every player Belichick drafts is going to be good.

  48. I would not trade for Jimmy G. I honestly think he is a Pats system guy. For crying out loud, even Brisett looked good when Jimmy and Brady were out. Just pray you can hit one in the draft. I am a Dolphins fan, and speaking from train wreck experience, just stay away from Jimmy G

  49. infectorman says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:20 AM
    MichaelEdits says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:05 AM
    They can’t trade Garoppolo because Brady’s older than dirt.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Nice to see Brady is still occupying space in your head…
    Time to move on…
    __________________

    Yikes. That was a pretty harmless (and truthful) comment. You patsies fans are sensitive little butterflies, aren’t ya?

    Btw, to those comparing Garrappolo to Hoyer, Cassell and Mallet…just stop. Jimmy G was a 2nd round pick whereas Hoyer and Cassell weren’t even drafted. Jimmy has the physical skills they lack. As for Mallet…it’s self explanatory. Garrappolo >>> any other Pats backup. Since Brady/Bledsoe.

  50. If Jimmy is that good, according to Pats homers, then why trade him? Once Brady leaves Belichick will follow because he doesn’t want to deal with mediocre team. Without Brady Belichick is an under .500 coach.

    ————

    Actually, BB would be over a .500 coach without Brady if he had support from Modell to bench Kosar or release Kosar after the 1991 season, instead of wating until 1993 before BB had approval to acquire Testaverde.

    BB improved the Browns every year starting in 1992, and got rid of all the dead weight that team had carried into the 1990s after 2 failed title games vs Denver.

    Many publications had Cleveland going to the SB in 1995, for example. Once the Modell announced the devastating news of his creepy and sneaky move to Baltimore, the team predictably was distracted and it was a lost season. Do you know any NFL history at all, little boy?

    And BB’s personnel expertise, set up Baltimore beautifully with 2 1st rd picks in 1996, and set the framework for Baltimore’s eventual 2000 SB win.

    So, enough with the revisionist history.

    Modell would later admit he should have listened to BB on personnel moves.

    BB is the greatest GM and Coach in NFL history, with or without Brady.

    If it wasn’t Brady, he’d have had another QB in there winning 10+ games per year, as opposed to the 12+ he has with Brady.

    Deal with it. Your jealousy just eats you up in that basement of yours, doesn’t it?

  51. good grief, people. Listen to and read the opinions of NFL people who have a clue about talent evaluation. Jimmy G is a legit QB, and could become a star. Of COURSE the Browns should try to trade for him. They know he is legit. They know they have to at least trade the #12 pick in 1st round, a 2nd rounder this yr, a 3rd this yr, and probably a 2nd next yr. That is alot, but it is worth it, if you think they possibly have a future star at QB. Actually, if you think Jimmy G will be a star then this trade is a no brainer. Shanahan had him rated just behind Derek Carr coming out of college, Mayock has him rated well above any rookies coming into the league this yr.

  52. If the Browns want Jimmy G, they should make NE a solid offer. If it’s rejected, they should then just ‘let the draft come to them’, as they say, and take the best QB on their board with the #12 pick.
    If not that, then go with Kessler (who has some ability) as the starter this year, and look to a deep QB class next year to get their man. That seems to me to be a sensible approach.

  53. #1 Former Pats front office people have said Garoppolo was drafted as an eventual replacement for Brady- as apposed to the Cassel, Hoyer, and Mallets which were strictly backups.

    #2 Why would Garoppolo agree to this. if he states to the Browns that he would not re- sign with them any deal is off at that point. The Browns are quarterback killers.

    #3 He doesn’t cost the Pats anything this year, why not keep him? is Brisset Legit?

  54. BB is the greatest GM and Coach in NFL history, with or without Brady.
    ===

    Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh have very good claims to that throne.

  55. tylawspick6 says:
    Mar 27, 2017 10:43 AM

    Deal with it. Your jealousy just eats you up in that basement of yours, doesn’t it?

    **************************************************************************

    A little sensitive there, aren’t we? There isn’t a story that goes by where you fail to respond to some comment directed to the Pats/Pats fanbase that could be remotely construed as derogatory.

  56. Can anyone remember an ex-Patriot who was a star somewhere else? Yep neither can I. Dookiestains are better off drafting a bust on their own. It will cost less.

  57. My guess is it gets done as follows:
    2017 : picks 12 & 33 & Gordons rights
    2018 : 2 2nd round picks & 4th rounder
    ===

    I suggest you stick with Madden football.

  58. I’m not even a Browns fan and I know that contrary to this blurb, both Cabot and Grossi are probably the most unreliable writers in that town. They’re just probably the most recognizable, Cabot for being a team shill and Grossi for having an advesarial relationship with the franchise in recent years. Cabot’s QB obssession from the perspective of my college roommate who grew up in Cleveland and thus is a disciple of the misery is particularly described as a bit bonkers.

  59. aarons444 says:
    Mar 27, 2017 11:04 AM

    BB is the greatest GM and Coach in NFL history, with or without Brady.
    ===

    Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh have very good claims to that throne.

    **************************************
    We know BB wasn’t the one that wanted to draft Brady, and Walsh wasn’t the one who wanted Montana. I have no idea about Lombardi and Bart Starr. I’d just say they were all very successful coaching HOF QBs. None of these guys won any super bowls without them.

  60. Offer a 3nd rounder and the Water boy. Guy’s only started 3 games. And who cares that he was a 2nd rounder, that doesn’t prove anything or make him any better than Cassell or any other backup the Pats have overhyped. This is all just Pats propaganda combined with a desperate Browns team.

  61. smithdp says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:18 AM
    The Eagles got a 1st and a 4th for Sam Bradford. Bradford had started for several years in the league. Garropolo has one start under his belt. If the Browns trade more than a 2nd round pick for him, well then they are still the Browns.
    ———————-
    Why do you and some others JUST NOT GET IT? JimmyG’s relative value is not what you or anyone else outside of Foxboro think it should be – it’s what JimmyG’s value is to Belichick that counts. He’s been trained for 3yrs into Brady’s complex offense – and shown he can step in and run it quite well. Where can the Pats find that in the draft?? No one would be surprised that if Brady got injured preseason, JimmyG could step right in and go 10-6 or 11-5 and a playoff win, and potentially be a long-term replacement. That known quality is worth far, far more than an uncertain-quality 2nd or even 1st-round pick (or both) to the Pats. And next year, if Brady’s still fit, Belichick can tender-contract on JimmyG and get at least a 3rd-round if he goes. So any offer is going to have to be immense – frankly I’m not even 100% sure Belichick would bite for the offer listed by MDS.

  62. Schaub
    Cassel
    Osweiler

    Have the Browns not learned that you don’t trade for a backup QB based on one or just a few NFL starts?

    The Browns would be better off getting their own QB via the draft, a guy who is a classic pocket-passer, under center, pro-style QB.
    Those types of QBs will be in the 2018 and 2019 drafts.

  63. Sometimes when you want something bad enough, you overpay for it. New England has the luxury of having a back-up that is potentially very good. JG may be better than most starters in the league (debatable), unfortunately for him he is stuck behind the GOAT. If I am an owner of a NFL team that is in dire need of a QB, in a QB driven league, then one of the first pieces that I am going to look for to rebuild my team is a QB. If there is a shortage of quality Quarter Backs in the draft, then I am going to look at what might be available in the NFL. If Cleveland overpays for JG and he turns out to be a very good QB for 10 years, no one will ever 2nd guess the extra second rounder or first rounder that was included in the deal. Stockpiling picks without fielding a competitive team year in and year out is not the way to reward the loyal Cleveland fan base. If you want JG, go get him, if not see you next year with the same type of posts.

  64. dpdonny says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:28 AM
    Cleveland vs. Belichick. That’s just not fair…it’s like beating up a drunk.

    — Pats Fan
    ===============================
    Belichick used to be Cleveland. You must be 15 yrs old.

  65. aarons444 says:
    Mar 27, 2017 11:04 AM
    BB is the greatest GM and Coach in NFL history, with or without Brady.
    ===

    Are you counting his great years in Cleveland as well?

  66. Saying the Pats would trade Jimmy G for the “right price” is the same for every player in the league minus a few like Arron Rodgers for example. The Pats aren’t trading Jimmy G because they are going to overpay him for 1 season next year and then let him take over for Brady. The Brady fanboys think he’s going to play forever LOL and want Himmy G traded asap because they consider him a threat. Belichick is no dummy, he’s trading in the old car with over 150k miles for the new one in 2 years before the old one turns into a money pit.

  67. >>>Nothing against Garoppolo, but the idea of trading a 1st *and* maybe 2nd round pick (or worse yet, multiple 2nd round picks) in this scenario is completely ridiculous. It shows the kind of nearsightedness and desperation that underscores why some teams never improve.<<<

    I understand what you're saying but every year QBs who have never taking a pro snap are over hyped as well.

    Consider what the L.A. Rams gave to Tennessee for the #1 pick (and Tennessee's 4th and 6th round picks). What the Rams got was right to pick Goff but cost them their #1, two #2's, and #3 pick in 2016 as well as their #1 and #3 round picks in 2017.

    If Garoppolo has anything he's has three years of elite NFL coaching as well as being around arguably the GOAT QB in addition to all the practices and whatnot that he's been a part of for three years. And yes, he hasn't played in many actual games but he looked great in the game and a half he started this year. It's not much experience but it's light years ahead of what these kids entering the draft have got.

    Whatever Cleveland gives the Pats (assuming there is a trade) whether it's the #12 pick along with a 2nd and 3rd rounder or a combination of either is a bargain compared to what the Rams ended up having to fork over to Tennessee to get Goff.

  68. Hold out for the Number 1 pick, use it for Garrett (as a rook in NE, he’ll develop good work habits). Get as many other picks as you can.

    Find a quarterback next year.

    Sounds good. Why does it make me nervous? Quarterback is the one position you want to lock down. Then you give him protection. Then you give him weapons. Maybe the best bet for NE is to stand apt. I don’t know.

  69. “Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh have very good claims to that throne.”

    I don’t think its even comparable. The each are the best of their era. All 3 were / are at a level above their peers.

  70. Once the Modell announced the devastating news of his creepy and sneaky move to Baltimore, the team predictably was distracted and it was a lost season. Do you know any NFL history at all, little boy?
    ===

    You need to ask yourself the same question?

    What was “sneaky” or “creepy” about the move?

    Modell did the same thing every other NFL owner has done. He went to his city, got a NO on a new stadium, then started taking offers. Same thing I’ve seen my whole life. Raiders, Rams, Chargers, Oilers…

    ‘Us against the world’ has worked for plenty of teams. Why couldn’t Belichick get that to work in 1995?

  71. “If you’re looking for a QB for the next decade, he’s as good of a prospect as you’re going to find:

    1. Mature
    2. Coachable
    3. High football IQ
    4. Super quick release
    5. Accurate”
    ____________

    Not saying this above is necessarily wrong but this is definitely how teams get into trouble with both trades and in the draft. The first three are intangibles which can be heavily influenced by playing on a good team and accuracy can be helped greatly by good protection, smart play calling and receivers who frequently get open.

  72. It makes more sense at this point to trade Brady if Garropolo is truly a franchise QB.

  73. Can anyone remember an ex-Patriot who was a star somewhere else?

    You certainly have to go waaay back to find a player the Pats let go after the 3rd yr of their rookie contract. All the way back to Chandler Jones. I wouldn’t bet against Jamie Collins either, in a system that is less restrictive. Adam Vinetieri has been no slouch either. I could go on, but hopefully the point is made.

  74. JG would probably relish this trade. The dude wants to play, not be stuck behind the ageless Brady for another few years. Besides, JG’s rookie contract is up aftet this season. It is doubtful BB would pay him big coin to be a backup. It all depends on Brady. Sometimes elite talent can fall off a cliff (see Peyton Manning). I don’t see this happening with Tom. Maybe if Tom wins number 6 this season, he will decide to ride off in the sunset; however his comments certainly indicate othetwise.

  75. If there’s a 1st and 2nd on the table for JG the Patriots should take it.

    New England is going to lose him after this season. He might end up being able to be a Brady successor, but it’s not like there won’t be other QBs to draft or sign who are just as good. Following Brady would actually be appealing to a lot of free agents once he does retire.

    BB helped Jacoby Brissett beat a pretty good Texans defense. He will be able to coach whoever his successor. With an extra 1st you might be able to draft that successor now and let him learn for the next 2-3 years.

  76. aarons444 says:
    Mar 27, 2017 11:46 AM
    Can anyone remember an ex-Patriot who was a star somewhere else?
    ===

    Wes Welker
    Ty Law
    Lawyer Milloy…
    ——————————————–

    I would argue Vinatieri has been the best of the ex-Pats outside of New England, certainly better than those three and Asante Samuel and Richard Seymour and the QBs, and Vinatieri even helped the Colts win a Super Bowl.

  77. aarons444 says:
    Mar 27, 2017 11:04 AM
    BB is the greatest GM and Coach in NFL history, with or without Brady.
    ===

    Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh have very good claims to that throne.
    +++++++++++++++++++

    Lombardi and Walsh were great coaches and GM’s that never dealt with the realities of FA and the cap, they are arguably the 2nd and 3rd best of all time respectively. Neither of them ever had to worry about losing a player to another team that they would rather have kept. You can attempt to discount what Belichick has accomplished all you like but the fact remains no one else has come close to it and neither Lombardi or Walsh had to deal with true FA or the cap, never mind both.

  78. Can anyone remember an ex-Patriot who was a star somewhere else?

    Richard Seymour too. But the Raiders didn’t win so nobody knew if or how he was still playing. And say what you will about Matt Cassel but he’s not been a Patriot in 10 years but he’s still in the NFL. That’s saying something for a 7th round pick.

  79. Jimmy G will start the first 4 – 5 games of the 2-17 season for the Pats. This gives Brady another short season run to SB LII, and his long term replacement JG needs more developmental time behind center. Next year, if all goes well, they lock him up with a long term contract and increase his number of games.

    What rule says you can only have one starting QB on a team? Brady knows that, especially at his age, he has to conserve his energy for the playoff crunch time. He doesn’t have big ego issues like most of the other starting QBs. His goal is to play the game, win the big games, and be successful for another 4-5 years. I can see him agreeing to platoon with Garappolo for the good of the team, and the development of the Pats next QB, all the while extending his drive to be the best ever.

  80. superpatriotsfan says:
    Mar 27, 2017 10:29 AM

    Brisset sucks. He got shut out by the Bills AT HOME. And don’t give that “oh he was injured” excuse since Pats homers love to call out fans of other teams. Brisset isn’t good, he sucks. Not every player Belichick drafts is going to be good

    Brissett was the QB when they shut out Houston 27-0

  81. I used to believe the Patriots would deal Jimmy G and now I agree that trading Garoppolo is foolish. Brady may only have two great years left in him and he could even walk away after next year or the year after. I saw enough of Jacoby Brissett to know that he is a long-term project.

  82. Richard Seymour too. But the Raiders didn’t win so nobody knew if or how he was still playing. And say what you will about Matt Cassel but he’s not been a Patriot in 10 years but he’s still in the NFL. That’s saying something for a 7th round pick.

    ———

    Seymour took Oakland for a ride. at 12-14 mil per, and his gimpy leg after surgery in 2006, he was nowhere near the level of his 2001-2005 work in NE.

    BB fleeced Al Davis in that deal and couldn’t figure out Seymour was only looking to cash in at that point of his career.

    Nor was Law, Samuel, etc, etc. None of those guys reached the level they had elsewhere.

    The only player BB walked at the right time from, that maybe he should have kept, was Vinatieri.

    No “star” player other than that, went on to some other team to play as well.

    Includes Welker, too. Hasn’t happened. No way were they as good elsewhere than in NE.

    Law was about 15 lbs overweight in 2005 and was only caring about jumping routes for INTs, to get a fresh deal somewhere else, which he did, before totally fading out in 2006 for good.

    I still can see LT twisting Law around like a dradle at the Meadowlands.

    Law was done as a pure CB in the NFL when he got hurt in October of 2004 in Pitt.

  83. rainsarge says:
    Mar 27, 2017 11:06 AM
    Can anyone remember an ex-Patriot who was a star somewhere else? Yep neither can I. Dookiestains are better off drafting a bust on their own. It will cost less.
    =======================================
    Short memory – Chandler Jones

  84. You need to ask yourself the same question?

    What was “sneaky” or “creepy” about the move?

    Modell did the same thing every other NFL owner has done. He went to his city, got a NO on a new stadium, then started taking offers. Same thing I’ve seen my whole life. Raiders, Rams, Chargers, Oilers…

    ‘Us against the world’ has worked for plenty of teams. Why couldn’t Belichick get that to work in 1995?

    —-

    My goodness… Listen to yourself? Why couldn’t he get it to work??!

    Are you insane? Modell scapegoated BB in the media and announced they were moving DURING THE SEASON.

    It’s called the ULTIMATE distraction, but somehow BB, who was not supported by creepy and sneaky Modell, somehow needed to prove he could stop the owner from moving the team midseason and win a SB in that mess?

    Do you have any semblance of a high school diploma?

    What is it you’re not grasping here?

    Modell would later admit, it was all his fault, but it was a little too late.

    25 years the city of Cleveland had the greatest defensive mind, coach and GM at their fingertips, but Modell’s greed and selfishness in a dynamite football market, took over, and the rest is history.

  85. Ty Law made the Pro Bowl with the Jets, and had a couple good yrs in KC.

    ASamuel made the PB 3x after leaving NE.

    RSeymour made the PB 2x after leaving NE.

    CJones had an outstanding yr, and landed a huge contract.

    In the age of Trump, who cares about facts?

  86. omeimontis says:
    Mar 27, 2017 9:58 AM

    I disagree about the statement that every player is available at the right price. The Packers will not trade Aaron Rodgers at any price. I mean any price, because without him, they almost certainly won’t make the playoffs.
    ———————————-
    So, the Packers wouldn’t trade Rodgers for Derek Carr and all of the Raiders draft picks the next three years? Yes, they would. Now, that would never be offered, but the original point was that any player could be traded for the right offer. It’s just that the “right offer” would need to be insanely ridiculous for some players and won’t ever be offered.

  87. Don’t do it. Osweiller or Kessler are good enough to start this season. Trubisky or Watson will be there at 12…and chances are we’ll have a top 5 pick next year with additional picks to use as currency to move up if needs be. Be patient.

  88. You need to remember that even if Tommie Boy is still tearing it up (and he probably will), he’s doing it on 40 year old bones. And I can tell you from personal experience, 40 year old bones break far too easily. It’s good to have a viable replacement at hand.

  89. rainsarge says:
    Mar 27, 2017 11:06 AM
    Can anyone remember an ex-Patriot who was a star somewhere else? Yep neither can I. Dookiestains are better off drafting a bust on their own. It will cost less

    ==================

    Richard Seymore
    Vince Wolfork
    Mike Haynes
    Jim Plunkett
    Willie McGinnest

    I think I made my point.

  90. rainsarge says:
    Mar 27, 2017 11:06 AM
    Can anyone remember an ex-Patriot who was a star somewhere else? Yep neither can I. Dookiestains are better off drafting a bust on their own. It will cost less.

    A player Clev got in a trade from NE last season, Collins then Clev signed him to a large contract. Guess the intense hate has rotted your brain. You look very silly.

  91. Id like to see them get the 12th and Joe Thomas. They could use him and he doesnt want to be in Cleveland anymore. He served his time =p

  92. superpatriotsfan says:
    Mar 27, 2017 10:26 AM
    If Jimmy is that good, according to Pats homers, then why trade him? Once Brady leaves Belichick will follow because he doesn’t want to deal with mediocre team. Without Brady Belichick is an under .500 coach.
     
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    53 active players on an NFL team. The coach needs them all to win.

  93. niles6590 says:
    Mar 27, 2017 1:36 PM
    Don’t do it. Osweiller or Kessler are good enough to start this season. Trubisky or Watson will be there at 12…and chances are we’ll have a top 5 pick next year with additional picks to use as currency to move up if needs be. Be patient.
    ————–

    Osweiller is a bum, but a viable back up.

    Only take Garoppolo if you can get him straight up for the 12th pick otherwise take Watson and start him.

  94. I like Jimm G. He’d better seasoning under Brady then going to the quagmire which is Cleveland.

    The Johnny Foosball pick up proves – this ownership is merely looking to make a splash with ONE name then they are to actually compete and win.

  95. Keep the team together, go with the draft! No TRADES! Go with FREE AGENTS to help Joe Thomas on the line. GO BROWNS from a LOYAL fan for MANY YEARS!

  96. Man has been looking for the fountain of youth since the world begun! And as far as I know no one has found it! Brady can eat all the avocado ice cream, he can practice and stretch all he wants but time is undefeated. And time never stops it’s asult on the body! On hit, one miss step and it’s all over. Your mind can write checks that your ass can;t cash. Instead of bringing in WR, DB they had better bring in an OL to protect Brady’s brittle behind!

  97. Didn’t the Patriots trade Jaime Collins to the Browns for a Polish Sausage? Don’t really know why people think they’d value a backup QB more than a starting Defensive Lineman who made the pro bowl the year prior. Bellicheck would trade himself if he thought it would work (or if he asked himself for too high a contract).

  98. Smoke show! The Browns are trying to put up the front that they aren’t interested in this years crop of QB’s! They want the teams behind them @12 to think they aren’t taking a QB @12.

  99. Looks like the Browns are seeking a trade for McCarron who’s more proven than Garoppolo and would come cheaper. Care to lower your price Patriots?

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