Oakland councilman wants Raiders out now

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The Raiders are headed to Las Vegas after Monday’s 31-1 vote by NFL owners to approve their relocation for the 2020 season.

That leaves three seasons for the Raiders to play elsewhere and team owner Mark Davis suggested after the vote that the Raiders could stay at the Oakland Coliseum for all of that time. The team has options on their lease for the 2017 and 2018 seasons, but Oakland Councilman Larry Reid hopes to take those options away.

Reid said Monday that he’s started talking to attorneys for the city to see if there’s a way to ship the Raiders out of town ahead of schedule.

“I don’t want them here,” Reid said, via the East Bay Times. “They can go down to Santa Clara and play.”

Davis said Monday that the team would issue refunds to any fans who have put down deposits on 2017 season tickets. If Reid has his way, they’ll be issuing them to everyone.

95 responses to “Oakland councilman wants Raiders out now

  1. I would like to invite all Raiders fans to become Dolphins fans since our owner was the only one that wanted you to keep your team, think about it.

    I’ll give Ross a lot of credit, when the public money fell through he put his own money into renovating the stadium. Which is in keeping with Joe Robie who used his OWN money to build the stadium in the first place.

  2. I hope this happens. Then the Raiders can look for another place and some team (like San Francisco) can charge exorbitant rates for them to lease the stadium for three years. I hope this move sinks the Raiders financially. Would serve some of these millionaires and billionaires right for holding cities and fans hostage for a new stadium.

  3. Hey Councilmen…maybe you should’ve gotten your act together a while ago to make sure this didn’t happen. You played chicken and lost. Don’t try to spin this one.

  4. Although I think owners should be at least partially footing some of the bill on new stadiums. The City of Oakland has failed their community in coming up with a viable plane to replace the poop-hole Coliseum. The Raiders, A’s and their fans deserve a better experience. Maybe the A’s will get a true baseball only stadium now that the Raiders are moving to Vegas.

  5. If I’m a city councilman, rather than throw a hissy I’d be pursuing a way to get some money out of the team while they’re still here. Do something productive for the people I represent.

  6. And THAT is EXACTLY why the citizens of the city and county of Oakland lost the team the love.

    Come on people! Stop complaining and start voting! That’s the second name made public of who you need to vote out of office.

  7. He might want to check with the people who tripled the rental for those years…I think they were expecting to get that money first…

    …or just stop being a petulant child about it.

  8. I agree with the Councilman. Ship them to Vegas now, let them play at UNLV’s football field. It is small and way out of date but the Chargers are going to play in a small non-football stadium for the next two years. You don’t see them staying in San Diego until the new LA stadium is done.

    Give them the boot now.

  9. Idiocy. So after 15 years of irrelevancy in Oakland, now that the team is knocking on the door of a championship, they should ship the team out?

    How about you let the local fans decide if they want to enjoy Carr,Mack and co while they can, attend a couple MNF, SNF and playoff games?

  10. You’d have to be a dunce to attend games as an Oakland native. Only the poorly educated would give Mark “Cuts his hair with a bowl” Davis another cent or time if you supported the Oakland Raiders for years. Thank God I’m a Redskins fan.

  11. I think this has been said previously however………….. The Raiders were 31st in attendance in the NFL in 2016.

    So apparently the fans, the city, the mayor, city council etc etc didn’t want them there last year either. I mean stop crying over spilled milk. The NFL is a business and the city of Oakland failed. I mean there is only one team below them (Chargers)….Enough said.

  12. And . . Oakland politicians show their true colors for everyone to see – right here. This is how they felt the entire time. They didn’t want to fund a thing except to lie to the public about wanting the raiders to stay to save face.

  13. Settle down Reid. The Raiders have valid legal rights to play in Oakland the next two seasons unless your city wants to buy them out of their binding lease which we know won’t happen because the city of Oakland put all their money on the A’s.

    I feel terrible for the die hard fans in Oakland, this is a gut punch. But you and Libby had ample time to put a viable.deal together and you didnt. Davis has every right to make his franchise as financially successful as possible. You lose. Stop your whining. You must have a fall election on the calendar.

  14. I think the real question would be for legal counsel to determine are the Raiders the Oakland Raiders, or are they the Las Vegas Raiders. The lease has to be written with the Oakland Raiders as a tenant, but the gray area will be are the Oakland Raiders now the Las Vegas Raiders

    I think the Oakland Raiders A. D. Football will dba the Las Vegas Raiders even when they are in Las Vegas. I also think the California Franchise Tax board will state all this occurred while doing business in the State of Ca, and because of that fact they will seek future earnings for years and years to come from Mr. Mark Davis.

  15. Larry Reid: Do you know what a ‘lease contract’ is?

    A binding agreement. The Raiders ARE staying at least two more years.

    Do you know what an upcoming election is?

    A period of voting when your comments will backfire and you will be sent back to running your 7-11 and removed from your little power trip.

    Have a nice life Mr. Council member or whoever you are.

  16. vikesfan320 says:

    I hope this happens. Then the Raiders can look for another place and some team (like San Francisco) can charge exorbitant rates for them to lease the stadium for three years. I hope this move sinks the Raiders financially. Would serve some of these millionaires and billionaires right for holding cities and fans hostage for a new stadium.
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    Mark Davis would have to sell the team to come up with the funds for a new stadium. Socialists don’t want to hear that but it’s true.

  17. Reid needs to shut the hell up. He had his chance to work something out. Now he wants to screw us Raider fans that have already purchased season tickets, just when the team is beginning to win? The city has an agreement with the team on a lease. The same agreement that they raised the price on that, in part, lead to Mark turning his back on Oakland. For just once, can a politician like Reid just shut up and stay out of the mess they helped create. Its over. Let us have what’s left, you jerk!

  18. Just because the move is approved, that doesn’t mean it has to happen, right?

    I mean, couldn’t the Oakland people do something to win over Davis during the next 3 years?

    But…if they stay for those years…bet the fans boycott the games.

  19. It’s not hypocritical of Oakland’s mayor or city council to say they wanted the Raiders to stay and yet decline to fork over hundreds of millions of taxpayer money to a man worth $500,000,000 himself and who could certainly have secured the loans to privately finance a new stadium himself.

    There is a simple reason most sports team owners don’t want to go that route, however. With public funding, they maximize their own profits and let the citizens and municipalities shoulder the risk. The team owners, in general, do not care about the local citizenry at all except as a source of funds. Teams are private businesses and not municipal assets. It’s time everyone realizes that and stops giving huge handouts to the wealthy.

  20. The legal name for the Raiders is just that, The Raiders. It’s not “The Oakland Raiders.”

    Al Davis changed all that when they moved to LA.

  21. Actually, this guy’s statement might be exactly what the fans think. They have been abandoned (maybe by the politicians more than the team) and are feeling the pain, so why should they invest more $$$ in the Raiders. Let them go and everyone can start the healing process

  22. Raider nation goes where ever the raiders go. Oakland-LA-oakland-Vegas. It doesn’t matter.

  23. San Francisco failed for 2 decades to get a stadium deal done. Oakland has failed for at least a decade to get a stadium done. Neither city made a real effort until the 11th hr of another city getting the deal complete. Both cities tried to play victim afterwards…. Maybe they should cull the political offices in the bay area.

  24. Will always remember the black hole where goose squashed gannon and shannon sharpe had 96 yard TD catch to SMASH the TRAIDERS in the 2000 AFC championship games.

    Traider Trash will fit in great in Vegas.

  25. The City of Oakland has now lost the Warriors, Raiders and the A’s previously also tried to leave for Fremont as well. If 3 out of 3 professional sports teams, all playing different sports, residing in your city have attempted to leave your city, perhaps that should tell you something.

    I do believe the Raiders want to play at O.co for the next 2 years and would love to bring a Championship back to the fans of Oakland before they leave. However, if the City is going to continue to play hardball, then I would move all football operations from Alameda to Las Vegas immediately and play all games at Sam Boyd Stadium, starting this season until the new stadium is ready in 2019 or 2020. I mean if the Chargers can play in the StubHub Center, I don’t see why the Raiders can’t play at Sam Boyd. The 13% reduction in taxes could also assist the Raiders as they put together Long Term deals for Carr, Mack and Cooper.

  26. Where was Ross and his principles when he voted FOR Rams relocation? St. Louis put more than a good faith effort into keeping the team there, including public funds and yet Ross voted for that relocation.

  27. The Raiders are going to be good the next couple of years. The pieces are in place. This guy can stay home, but having a team in Oakland for two or three more years is not worse than having them for no more years.

  28. I love the fact, the same people who support trump and taking any and every gov. Service away from people think it’s Oaklands fault the Raiders are leaving. Because they didn’t do a”deal”.

    So my take away is. Paying billionaire so he can more money millions = great deal

    Paying for poor peoples healthcare = crime against humanity

    Right….

  29. @radrntn

    You raise several interesting points which are moot but I am impressed with your business acumen.

    Oakland Raiders v. LV Raiders? I can guarantee you it doesn’t matter what name is on the lease as any commercial lease has standard boiler plate stating “This Agreement is binding upon all successors and heirs of the parties.” The city of Oakland is on the hook unless.they offer a buy out. They know it.

  30. @vikesfan320 says – “Would serve some of these millionaires and billionaires right for holding cities and fans hostage for a new stadium”.

    How on earth was Oakland held hostage? The city continually raised the rent on a horrible stadium. The city continually refused to even discuss a workable plan for the Raiders (and the Warriors) to stay.

  31. 49ersfury says:
    Mar 28, 2017 1:30 PM

    Get those fools out of Oakland and tear down Mount Davis ASAP so my A’s can get that baseball feel back in the Coliseum.

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    My thoughts exactly!

  32. The Oakland Coliseum is the perfect homefield advantage!

    1) Poop and pee flowing in the visiting locker room.

    2) Dirt infield

    3) BLACK HOLE!!!

  33. If you ran the city and you wanted the team there, it’s obviously because they make the city money. Why be a baby and kick them out now? I can understand not wanting to give them a half billion because the city would never recoup that, but if they’re going to pay you rent for a crappy stadium for 3 more years, you take it.

  34. Hit the road, Jack and don’t you come back no more, no more, no more, no more!

    That’s what Reid said to the Raiders… and that’s what the Citizens of Oakland will be saying to Larry and Libby after their failed re-election bids.

  35. It blows my mind how many commenters think City Council screwed up by not giving Mark Davis $500 Million for a stadium. You realize that $500M would be financed, coming in at closer to $1B by the time it was all paid off 20 years from now? And that would be money that couldn’t be spent on police, schools, property tax roll backs, health care, retirement, etc. Certainly the Raiders make some money for the City of Oakland, but not $500M worth, not even close.

    I live in Hamilton County, Ohio. We were dumb enough to fund two $350M stadiums 17 years ago, and the county is just now starting to recover from the incredible debt and cuts they were forced to make to cover this. In addition to that, because the county “owns” the stadiums they are responsible for upkeep and $10M scoreboard upgrades, while the Bengals get all proceeds from any event that occurs there. Many jobs were lost, many public services suffered, and Mike Brown got himself a $350M work place. Oakland is sad, I get that, but the city made the right fiscal decision.

  36. Seems like the Raiders would want to leave immediately just so they wouldn’t have to play in the Black Stool anymore.

  37. Say what you will about the city of Oakland and then replace it with your home town. This marks the third team to relocate in 18 months, which is unprecedented. And if tells me that this group of oweners, excluding Ross, and Goodell value money over fans. Yet, one leads to the other. Your team could be next.

  38. Just when the Raiders finally got a decent winning team for the fans……………..THEY MOVE!!!!!! You can’t script this one folks if you tried too!! SMH

  39. babygaga19 says:
    Mar 28, 2017 1:34 PM
    @radrntn

    You raise several interesting points which are moot but I am impressed with your business acumen.

    Oakland Raiders v. LV Raiders? I can guarantee you it doesn’t matter what name is on the lease as any commercial lease has standard boiler plate stating “This Agreement is binding upon all successors and heirs of the parties.” The city of Oakland is on the hook unless.they offer a buy out. They know it.
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    Well if I am not mistaken they had a one year lease w/ two more one year options. The lease extension also increased for the Raiders last year based on operational costs , since the Raiders do not pay that. I do not know the terms of the lease, but since it was a one year lease, with two one year options, it could include another increase if operational costs are projected to increase. End of the day w/o knowing the terms of the lease which is between a tenant, and the City of Oakland, Alameda County, and the Joint Powers Authority……meaning with a three headed monster, and a tenant it is quite possible this could end up in court- which is nothing new for the A.D. football, but is for M..D. football-

    It will be interesting to see if they try to increase the rent, since it has been stated that they still lost a million dollars in operational costs last year. Maybe both the city and county can file BK and seek chapter 9 protection because they can not afford to operate oCo for the Raiders because of the still existing 90 million dollar debt and the burden of that cost with the Raiders vacating, and the additional daily operational costs of game day….

  40. NFL teams employ anywhere from 70000 to 110000 people for 5 months a year with an average income of $14,000 per person that is close to a billion dollars annually that a city will lose when losing an NFL Team and 13% of that would be taxed by California so if you think about it any city that puts up the money for an NFL stadium is making an investment into there city that’s why most cities are willing to do it and if you think about it how often does the government make worthwhile investments almost never and I suppose depending on the politicians of California to understand basic math is asking a lot Raider nation out.

  41. This is too funny. It reminds me of the movie, “War of the Roses.” It’s a like a guy telling his wife, ” I don’t love you anymore and I am moving out but not until my new girlfriend gets her own place. Till then, I will keep living here and from September to January I will keep having sex with you. LOL

    Neither side can’t really be blamed here. The NFL is a business and it is high time people come to that realization. Just because you love your team and you have them tattooed on your body doesn’t change that fact. And the same can be said for the city. The city has responsibilities and sometimes, that might not include shelling half a billion plus for a stadium. But of course the biggest loser in all of this are the fans and I can understand your pain.

  42. Oakland should consider suing the owners of the Raiders for all that debt the city amassed at accommodating and catering to the Raiders in a honest and good faith effort to keep the team in Oakland. Yet Oakland never really benefited from that debt as the players took their money and left and the owners took their money and left as well. Additionally, I would imagine to some degree since the Raider brand has been part of Oakland for almost 50 years, the name itself probably is owned by Oakland as well to some degree. Therefore, I agree when it comes to the councilmen wanting the Raiders to get the heck out of Oakland over their dishonesty and money grubbing treachery. Yet, one thing for the, the term Raiders will always be linked to Oakland and that is something that Vegas will not be able to take away. Stay strong and prosperous Oakland, California my former residence where I grew up and became educated at.

  43. WOW! Man I completely understand being hurt and upset……but wait a little while and get your head right before you go shooting off your mouth about such foolishness. YOU are supposed to be a leader of the Oakland community, a man to look up to during difficult times. Instead you are showing EVERYBODY why this deal was made, and what the Raiders had to deal with. “I am gonna take my ball and go home.”
    Very very disappointing. I don’t want to be patronizing, but I am sorry City of Oakland and Raiders fans.
    Raiders forever! GO RAIDERS!!!!!

  44. @raidernation81601:
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    A Stanford economist just said that the Vegas stadium deal was “the worst deal for a city I have ever seen.”

    According to the Brookings Institute:
    “Academic studies consistently find no discernible positive relationship between sports facility construction and local economic development, income growth, or job creation.”

    Those are real studies by professional economists who are probably a hell of a lot better at “basic math” than you.

    Mark Davis tried to rip off the city of Oakland and they told him to pound sand. Sounds to me like the politicians you’re bagging on might actually be doing their jobs.

  45. Hey Larry Reid, speak for yourself douche bag, you guy’s are the reason the people of Oakland lost their team in the first place! City needs to clean house of all these stupid politicians that let the team move!!!!!

  46. Once again the ordinary people get shafted. Just like FIFA its all about the money. Not comparing the NFL to the corrupt world of the other football governing body but they are alike when it comes to shafting true fans. I am also blaming in equal proportions the local government who came to the party with a pathetic lame last minute what ever you can call it. The US is a massive country with only 32 professional football clubs you would think Oakland would do everything to keep their team at home. The same goes for all those other cities that have lost teams over the years. This is why it’s laughable to think of a team in London when we see this going on. What do they think will happen if unbelievably London gets a team and it stinks, without a legacy and history you be lucky to get 10,000 in a 90,000 stadium, that would look good wouldn’t it. What are these Raider fans going to do without football, love them or hate them they will be lost.

  47. REAL RAIDERS FAN’S ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE RAIDER FANS, WHEREVER THEY PLAY, THE ONES THAT WON’T BE, WERE NEVER REALLY REAL RAIDER FANS TO BEGIN WITH!
    GO RAIDERS!

  48. jm91rs says:
    Mar 28, 2017 1:54 PM
    It blows my mind how many commenters think City Council screwed up by not giving Mark Davis $500 Million for a stadium. You realize that $500M would be financed, coming in at closer to $1B by the time it was all paid off 20 years from now
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    If not mistaken The City/County funded 200 million of public money back in 1995 for the renovation (Mt Davis) of oCo, and they still owe 90 million on that note 20 years later. In the interim Nevada continues to lay off teachers today because they do not have the money for education.

  49. AS A DIE HARD RAIDERS FAN I HOPE THE GORILLA DUDE, AND SOME OF THE OVER THE TOP HALLOWEEN OUTFITS STAY IN OAKLAND!

  50. at the end of all this, Bank of America will default on the 650 million dollar debt from this venture, and will write it off as a loss, so all US taxpayers can pay for it. Does anybody really think the Raiders will have any home field advantage in Las Vegas….it will be like Chargers game now in Las Vegas- How many LV?Henderson residents will even be able to afford PSL’s, and season tickets? I say 20,000 at the most-

  51. I’m sure most people commenting have never been to Oakland and live 1000s of miles away. Oakland is one of the worst, if not the worst cities in this country. One of the highest crime rates and gang affiliates. I live 3 hours away and attended my first game there this yr to support my friend’s team. I have NEVER been around so much scum and the lowest of low caliber of people. There are no words to describe how bad it was. I don’t blame this man one bit for his statement. Scum travel from all parts to get together to back this team and thus the crime and all the other problems follow suit. With no disrespect to the probably 5% of fans that don’t fit this mold, the city itself needs the Raiders to go away. Maybe they will even develop a better fan base in LV.

  52. Local season ticket purchasers who are considering re-upping their tickets, consider this if you will…

    If you continue to buy tickets in these “lame duck” next couple of years…the Davis & the $NFL$ still win in the end because they still get your $$$ while preying on your diehard loyalty.

    The “Las Vegas Raiders of Oakland, California” for the next couple seasons seems like an enigma and disaster that the NFL should have never let happen to the local diehard fan base (same applies to SD and St. Louis.)

    All those years/decades of using hard earned money to buy game or season tickets, team jerseys, and other team merchandise must not have equated as invaluable fan loyalty to Davis & NFL. While it might not mean much to out of town supporters, to the local Oakland fan base…they have the strange but unique position of showing these greedy bastards that loyalty works both ways. By not re-upping and or not showing up to games for the next couple years that they remain in Oakland, the locals can prove this point if they so choose (the other two cities didn’t have that choice.)

    I get that city politicians have their own agendas and most really only seemingly act when it’s something that benefits them rather then their voters…but consider this as well:
    Despite shady politicians fumbling about however many years this stadium debacle has gone on in Oak, SD, and St. Louis…this fact remains…as a means of good faith to to try and stay status quo for their teams, all 3 cities renovated their stadiums and are still on the hook for said renovations for the next couple of decades. I understand Oak & SD had very old stadiums, but with tv revenue sharing…none of these 3 teams were losing money despite where they played in (salary cap goes up not down every year as some proof of that.)

    Like the Dolphins owner suggested…if you want to own team and get new stadium built…owners need to invest the bulk of the $$$. If they can’t afford to, then maybe they shouldn’t be an owner. NFL is multi-billion dollar industry…just like they can negotiate how owners can pay off relocation fees over some many years…why not new stadiums as well?

    So while these 3 owners my have paid the other owners a nice little check every year with these relocation fees…there’s nothing in the works to pay off any of theses renovation debts that get left behind for these newly or soon-to-be abandoned cities.

    If the “NFL is family” as claimed in all these commercials, why do they treat some of their family like ( ! ) and prey off their loyalty like they do?

  53. A city borrowing for 20 years to pay for a stadium that in 10-15 years will be deemed “obsolete” and require many more millions to “update or we move” type of deals.

    It’s like taking out a 7 year loan on a used car that already has 80k miles on it. You’re always upside down.

    Laugh all you want at Green Bay but they do it right. Publicly owned which means they are the Green Bay Packers or nothing. Can’t be moved or if moved, completely sold off with proceeds going locally.

    When they need help – they sell stock that EVERYONE who buys knows is not stock in the SEC sense. It’s no different than buying a couple of jerseys at the pro-shop with a vastly higher profit margin for the team.

    I feel bad for the fans I guess but Oakland (and yes, I’ve been there and been to games at the Coliseum) really isn’t in the position to take on long term debt for an asset that will need more financing 1/2 way through the life of the original debt issuance.

  54. dieselguy19 says:
    Mar 28, 2017 3:19 PM
    I’m sure most people commenting have never been to Oakland and live 1000s of miles away. Oakland is one of the worst, if not the worst cities in this country. One of the highest crime rates and gang affiliates. I live 3 hours away.
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    LOL….you live three hours away because you simply can not afford to live in the Bay area. The median home price in Oakland Ca. is $675k, and rising …just stating the facts

  55. How come so many of you act like the City of Oakland should have ponied up the money for a new stadium? LA wasn’t asked to share the cost of a new stadium were they? Why do people think communities should build stadiums for billionaire football owners? Makes little sense to me. Lets face it. The Raiders biggest issue is not having a good owner. Mark doesn’t belong with his dads country club buddies, but this makes him feel like one of the boys.

  56. @radrntn says – “In the interim Nevada continues to lay off teachers today because they have no money for education”

    This is a disingenuous argument. Any layoffs could have been avoided by Nevada appropriating more funds for education. Also, it’s impossible for stadium funding which hasn’t been spent to have had any impact on current or past layoffs.

  57. Mark Davis can always come on down to Texas and lease the Alamodome for 3 years until his stadium in Nevada is ready.

    It’d be great for both parties as the Raiders can play in front of strong crowds and get used to playing in a dome, and it’d showcase San Antonio as a VIABLE NFL market.

  58. @radrntn says – “The City/County funded 200 million back in 1995 for the renovation of (Mt. Davis) of oCo, and they still owe 90 million on that note 20 years later”.

    Your complaint should be with the politicians who approved an unworkable financial model and diverted funds from debt payments to other projects. Also with the City/County’s financial consultants who recommended the deal. The Raiders have nothing to do with the City/County failing to pay off the debt.

  59. I think the move to Vegas will be a jazzy shot of adrenaline for the solid Raiders family brand that has no borders. The city of Oakland appears to be on the up-and-up and has much to offer in the coming years and the A’s can humbly reap the benefits from that. But LV is also on the rise and a fast growing vital market and ideal for a future Super Bowl in that beautiful new stadium.

    If the 25-year revenues don’t work out as projected in sin city then perhaps revitalized Oakland will accept them back and Vegas can retrofit the stadium into a casino or some other creative solution.

  60. raidernation81601 says:
    Mar 28, 2017 2:34 PM
    NFL teams employ anywhere from 70000 to 110000 people for 5 months a year with an average income of $14,000 per person that is close to a billion dollars annually that a city will lose when losing an NFL Team
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    I would LOVE to see any facts supporting this.

    Spoiler: they don’t exist.

  61. Another deplorable thing associated with this deal with the devil is that it appears there are talks about creating a Raiders’ themed brothel in Nevada and obviously near or in Vegas. This sleazy proposal would be great for money grubbing sinners to line their wallets at profiting on immorality but devastating toward the image of the term Raiders. This is considering the Oakland Raiders team has always for almost 50 years revered as a all American and family inspired brand that promoted decency and complemented the image of Oakland, California nationally. Now as it looks, the term Raiders will likely be associated with greed, smut and something that Vegas will be on the hook for $6 billion. Also most of Vegas’ revenue comes from tourist and visitors going there to not look at a football game but patronize casinos and resorts. The fan base was quite different in Oakland because fans from throughout the bay area went to those games to look at football only.

  62. cardinealsfan20 says:
    Mar 28, 2017 4:36 PM
    @radrntn says – “The City/County funded 200 million back in 1995 for the renovation of (Mt. Davis) of oCo, and they still owe 90 million on that note 20 years later”.

    Your complaint should be with the politicians who approved an unworkable financial model and diverted funds from debt payments to other projects. Also with the City/County’s financial consultants who recommended the deal. The Raiders have nothing to do with the City/County failing to pay off the debt
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    My point is I live in Nevada , and there is no way the State can afford 950 million in public money, and yet they did. I can’t fault Mark Davis for finding politicians even dumber than the ones who approved the 200 million in Oakland. Please don’t bore me with the hotel tax, yadda , yadda yadda,-

    I lived and still live in this state during 2008-2010 when MGM Grand went belly up on City Center only to try to get Dubai to fund it who also went belly up. I watched the 3 billion foutainbleu casino go unfinished and vacant. Lake Las Vegas go bk. I watched Station Casino sell off half of their properties. I watched Las Vegas lead the country in foreclosures, unemployement, etc….and I am also a bit concerned with this current administration in the white house, and their ties to Russia. All eyes will be on France’s election and if Russia backed Marine LePen wins on the same Trump rhetoric platform. If she does the world’s economy will change, and a Nevada plan based solely on discretionary income spending is high risk.

    Hey but we got Tesla to come to the state ……to bad we don’t have enough educated residents to work there…..I guess we can always outsource to India although.

  63. vivaoakland says:

    This sleazy proposal would be great for money grubbing sinners to line their wallets at profiting on immorality but devastating toward the image of the term Raiders. This is considering the Oakland Raiders team has always for almost 50 years revered as a all American and family inspired brand that promoted decency and complemented the image of Oakland, California nationally

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    I’m gonna need your hookup’s phone number, cause you’re on that really good stuff.

  64. @raderntn

    The lease has a one year option with the Raiders having the right of first refusal at a contracted for rental agreement. They hold all the cards, pardon the pun. They can opt out without penalty. It is their option to go forward. Hopefully, they won’t end up playing in a picnic park like the LA Volts.

  65. What a interesting concept as in desert NFL football with gambling and casinos abound. I wonder will the stadium be stocked with slot machines and other gambling attractions on this $6 billion high rolling NFL desert experiment. Its also interesting to assume this experiment or zealous money grubbing venture hasn’t been properly analyzed or tested to see if they can find enough people in the desert to support this venture as patrons. Sometimes, it’s not a good idea to leave one’s roots venturing off for the glitter and gold because as the saying goes on this gamble, the gold may be a crap shooter’s technibond.

  66. They just now are getting better and you want them out? That’s 3 more chances to bring a championship to Oakland before they leave.

  67. They failed to put a viable deal together? Who is the owner that refused to contribute significantly to a new stadium? Oakland shouldn’t have to foot the bill for a new stadium that is primarily used by a private citizen. They don’t own the team, Mark Davis does. And it’s not like he isn’t known for being a cheapskate.

  68. @babygaga,

    So you assume, but I know first hand every lease is unique. As an tenant you might have a standard LOI, and a standard work letter, but it will all get red lined by both sides counsel.

  69. This is a two way street although the owners don’t see it that way. What if Oakland just couldn’t justify coming up with the money needed for a new stadium ? Did Davis ever sit down with them and try to work out a plan for them to stay ? What if Oakland wanted to pay half for a stadium and Davis turned them down ? is that the fault of Oakland ? Doesn’t that seem like a fair deal ? Davis gets all the profit. TV revenue , corporate sponsors , merchandising . If Davis really wanted to be there , he would be. Not very many cities are going to come up with almost $ 1 billion to give a team. So why should the city support a an owner that doesn’t want to be there ? Why would fans want to spend there money and time on a franchise that will be leaving and doesn’t care one thing about them ? I agree with the councilman . Just go baby !

  70. It would be a funny twist if the Raiders played in San Diego for the next 3 years. Qualcomm isn’t any worse than Oakland Coliseum anyways and you know they’d sell out easily in San Diego.. More Raider fans than Charger ones at those games anyways.

  71. No, don’t send them to Santa Clara. Make them go to San Antonio or Las Vegas, anywhere out of the Bay Area would be fine because we see more games on TV if the Raiders are out of the Bay Area. Go to Mexico City or London, or wherever, just not to some place close by like Santa Clara or San Francisco or Berkeley.

  72. No one will go see them in San Diego, except for diehard fans who live in Oakland. Charger fans would rather drive to LA to see them than to go to a Raiders game in downtown San Diego.

  73. This is simple, give him his wish. I’m sure San Diego or St. Louis would love to host a team for a few years and show the nfl they can still be good host cities for NFL teams.

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