Mickey Loomis: We’re “kicking the tires” on Malcolm Butler

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It has been more than a week since a report that the Saints and cornerback Malcolm Butler had the framework for a contract “mostly in place,” but things haven’t progressed beyond to an actual offer sheet.

During a discussion of the team’s offseason on Tuesday, Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis didn’t say if that was because there had been a snag in negotiations or if it was because the need to give up the 11th pick in the draft as compensation to the Patriots in addition to a contract to Butler was too much for the Saints to bear.

“There’s not a lot I can say. We’re kicking the tires I guess,” Loomis said, via the New Orleans Times-Picayune. “That’s the way to describe that. We’ll see how that process works.”

A third option would be to work out a trade with New England, but that would require Butler to sign his restricted free agent tender and there’s no sign that’s imminent with an April 21 deadline for other teams to sign him away. Loomis termed the need to add help at cornerback as a must for the Saints, so they’ll likely keep kicking the tires on Butler while also looking at the draft as a possible avenue to improve a pass defense that’s been lagging for some time.

28 responses to “Mickey Loomis: We’re “kicking the tires” on Malcolm Butler

  1. He will be with the Patriots in 2017. He will spend $500K to insure himself against injury and get a $40 million policy. After 2017, he’ll either do a new deal with the Patriots or leave as an unrestricted free agent and the Patriots will get a 2019 3rd round compensatory draft pick. For 2017, having Butler and Gilmore will go a long way to getting the Patriots back the Super Bowl.

  2. Butler is not worth the money he is going to command, they would be better off trying to develop a couple of guys with the money they save from not signing him, Pats scheme and play calling helps tremendously when it comes to the talent of the secondary, most guys who leave them are not that good anywhere else….Belicheck once had a wr playing CB in several games and dude was making plays all over the place….don’t do it Sean, its fools gold….

  3. In other words, Butler’s agent is asking for too much, and the Pat’s won’t let him go for less than number 11, so we’re waiting to see if one of those two blink first.

    If not, we’re out and will look to the draft.

  4. I live deep in “Who Dat” country and I can say that the Saints have the worst secondary in football and need corner help big time, however Loomis is the worst GM in any level of professional sports so if there is a bad bad deal to be made by paying a guy way to much money, this will be it…

  5. For God’s sake, Malcolm, FIRE YOUR AGENT. If he’s advising you not to sign the tender, he’s giving you AWFUL advice.

    You’re a restricted free agent. RFAs don’t get paid what UFAs get. The sooner you figure that out the better off you’ll be!

  6. Hightower took less money to stay with the team. Brady took less money to stay with the team. Riches are nice, but there’s only one place that sells immortality.

  7. Butler is an awesome player, but he grossly misjudged his market.

    He should have waited a year and played lights out for 4 mil. Would have gotten a huge payday.

  8. Lol look how two faced the Pats homers are. They were ready to drink this guys love shake after SB49 and now they want to kick him to the curb. No wonder Patriots fans embrace cheating, they are never loyal to their significant others.

  9. dansardo says:
    Mar 29, 2017 10:46 AM
    Whatever happens the pats will come out the winners.

    I can’t imagine what it must be like to be a fan of any other NFL team lol……
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    For your team to lose stinks but when they win it feels good knowing they did it within the rules and without cheating. No one questions it unlike the patriots in which everyone is waiting for another team, not the NFL for some reason, catches them cheating once again.

  10. cardsfann1 says:
    Mar 29, 2017 10:44 AM

    I live deep in “Who Dat” country and I can say that the Saints have the worst secondary in football and need corner help big time, however Loomis is the worst GM in any level of professional sports so if there is a bad bad deal to be made by paying a guy way to much money, this will be it…
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    If you live deep in Who Dat country then it’s time you learned: Loomis is just a pencil pusher. Payton runs this franchise with an iron fist. If you’re going to use such hyperbole, make sure it’s directed towards the right party.

  11. Really hope Malcolm stays with the Pats.

    The Saints my want him and be willing to pay him what he wants, but Belichick holds all the leverage. As soon as Butler signs the tender its the 11th pick the Saints would have to give up, and the Pats have little reason to take anything else.

    Yes they could negotiate for less but why?

  12. jvw1982 says:
    Mar 29, 2017 10:24 AM
    Butler is not worth the money he is going to command, they would be better off trying to develop a couple of guys with the money they save from not signing him, Pats scheme and play calling helps tremendously when it comes to the talent of the secondary, most guys who leave them are not that good anywhere else….Belicheck once had a wr playing CB in several games and dude was making plays all over the place….don’t do it Sean, its fools gold…

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    I think hes a top 10 corner. What he lacks is size and long stride. His technique will only get better and better. I WISH HOPE and nearly PRAY Patriots get something done and keep him.

  13. Pats fans on here are really confused. They can’t accept that Butler is a top corner.

    Logan Ryan is getting $10M/year and he’s the 13th highest paid CB in the league. Butler was clearly better than him.

    The Patriots are using all their leverage as is their right. Butler doesn’t have to agree to a contract extension below market. The Patriots have paid market value on an extension.

    Saying Butler isn’t as good or blaming his agent is pathetic. He’s currently seeing if he can get an offer sheet and unsurprisingly, it’s not so easy when the team who signs him has to give up a 1st round pick and a market value contract.

    Why should he potentially sacrifice millions to sign an extension with New England? Investigate his options to get more while he has the opportunity. Sign the RFA following the deadline and move forward, whether that’s a trade or playing in NE.

    He’ll eventually sign an extension or a new contract that he likes. It’s all a negotiation. He can both be a top corner and look out for his bottom line. It’s not unfathomable.

  14. “Belicheck once had a wr playing CB in several games and dude was making plays all over the place…”

    Yes, Troy Brown, who was an excellent receiver in his prime and turned those skills into being a very competent corner when several of the secondary went down with injuries. Troy had 3 INTs that year.

    But he was not some crap receiver who got tossed out there on D. He was very experienced at that point and in the midst of a couple 100 reception seasons IIRC.

  15. superpatriotsfan says:
    Mar 29, 2017 11:12 AM
    Lol look how two faced the Pats homers are. They were ready to drink this guys love shake after SB49 and now they want to kick him to the curb. No wonder Patriots fans embrace cheating, they are never loyal to their significant others.
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    Well, you don’t really appear to be a Super Patriots Fan as your username suggests.

    My sense of my fellow Patriots fans is this. We really like Butler. We don’t want him to leave. We believe the team made the right business move in tendering him the 1st round level of $3.9 million. If Butler gets a reasonable offer, we hope the Patriots match it. Nobody wants to kick him to curb, but if he wants to shoot his way out of town, we’d love to see the Patriots get back into the first round. How does that make us disloyal? Also, do you want us to be loyal to the players at the expense of the team? In any case, I’d rather see Butler go to the Saints and not the Steelers.

  16. .Belicheck once had a wr playing CB in several games and dude was making plays all over the place….don’t do it Sean, its fools gold….
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    Actually Belichick has done this with several receivers, but your point is well taken, most players are less effective without Belichick at the wheel. Maybe Ty Law was the exception, but think of all the big names you never heard from again.

  17. weepingjebus says:
    Mar 29, 2017 11:06 AM

    Hightower took less money to stay with the team. Brady took less money to stay with the team. Riches are nice, but there’s only one place that sells immortality.
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    I would never expect any player to take a “hometown discount” or even accept less money for the chance to win a championship, especially if that player had already won two. And don’t forget, Tom Brady makes tens of millions in endorsements that Butler will never get.

    However, I would expect a player to recognize what it means to be a RESTRICTED free agent. Butler doesn’t seem to get it. He’s making a big mistake.

  18. I think he’s gone. The Pats look like they don’t feel they can do business with his agent and are moving on. It wouldn’t be the 1rst agent they felt that way about. I don’t think they get the #11 pick though. Their #32 back and maybe something else. Whether they have Butler for 1yr@3.9 or get a good player in the draft they control for 5 yrs, 4 of them cheap, it’s a win either way. As long as they don’t whiff on the pk, which they rarely do in the 1rst rnd. At this point, I’d rather they trade him, even though he’s a top 10 corner. He’ll be playing for a contract, but also trying to protect himself for free agency. I don’t want to see he’s missing 6 weeks because he tweaked a hammy.

  19. jvw1982 says:
    Mar 29, 2017 10:24 AM
    ….Belicheck once had a wr playing CB in several games and dude was making plays all over the place….don’t do it Sean, its fools gold….
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    That wide receiver was Julian Edelman, who just happened to play QB at Kent State. He is a great athlete and one tough SOB.

  20. pastabelly says:
    Mar 29, 2017 12:35 PM
    superpatriotsfan says:
    Mar 29, 2017 11:12 AM
    Lol look how two faced the Pats homers are. They were ready to drink this guys love shake after SB49 and now they want to kick him to the curb. No wonder Patriots fans embrace cheating, they are never loyal to their significant others.
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    Well, you don’t really appear to be a Super Patriots Fan as your username suggests.

    —–Click on his name and you can see what his real user ID is, and then the agenda becomes clear.

    My sense of my fellow Patriots fans is this. We really like Butler. We don’t want him to leave. We believe the team made the right business move in tendering him the 1st round level of $3.9 million. If Butler gets a reasonable offer, we hope the Patriots match it. Nobody wants to kick him to curb, but if he wants to shoot his way out of town, we’d love to see the Patriots get back into the first round. How does that make us disloyal? Also, do you want us to be loyal to the players at the expense of the team? In any case, I’d rather see Butler go to the Saints and not the Steelers.

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    This is well said. I too would like to see him stay but this agent of his has him pressing for things he has no leverage for. Since he was doing that with the Pats its not a bad guess he is doing that with the Saints too. But the Saints arent going to look away from how it will cost them the 11th overall so that agent has to be willing to compensate. He cant expect the Saints to just ignore that fact the way he is expecting the Pats to ignore the lack of leverage or the fact that Butler is an RFA not a UFA.

    IMHO, sign the tender, buy an insurance policy, play for the upcoming UFA contract is the best outcome for all involved.

  21. jchipwood says:
    Mar 29, 2017 11:19 AM

    For your team to lose stinks but when they win it feels good knowing they did it within the rules and without cheating.

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    Thats why the NE fans are such a happy bunch. Everything they do is by the book to the letter and they win in the face of all adversity.

    But really even teams that did cheat to have their glory days like the Dolphins oh so long ago the fans still enjoy the win. I do see those days of long past still being celebrated by the fans.

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