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NHL owner doesn’t want the Raiders in Vegas

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It’s unclear precisely how many Las Vegas residents are clamoring so loudly for the Raiders to move to town that nearly $1 billion in public funds was needed to make it happen. One person with a significant sports interest in Sin City apparently wishes that the Raiders had stayed the hell out.

Bill Foley, owner of the NHL’s expansion Las Vegas Golden Knights, would have opted against plunking down so much money to lure the Raiders to Las Vegas.

“I felt like there were a lot better ways to spend $750 million than bringing the Raiders to Las Vegas,” Foley said on a local radio station, via the San Jose Mercury News. “We could spend it on police, firefighters and teachers and have them all be the best in the country. But I guess we’re going to spend it on the Raiders. . . . If I had complete control of the situation, I would not have opted to have the Raiders come here. But I didn’t, so I welcome them.”

As everyone learned last Sunday, the investment significantly exceeds $750 million. Another $200 million emerged in the final proposal for infrastructure improvements aimed at accommodating the new venue.

While the Raiders are getting nearly $1 billion, Foley will pay for his own stadium. Which makes his resentment of the situation normal and understandable.

Even though Foley has plenty of reasons to be salty, a very real question remains regarding whether the average person in Las Vegas feels strongly enough about the Raiders coming to town to justify spending so much money to get them there. Reportedly, only 50 showed up for a rally celebrating the move.

But public sentiment doesn’t matter in places where lawmakers can make public money available without a public vote. In most cities and states, a ballot measure aimed at paying for a football stadium would fail, badly. Moving forward, only those places that can pull it off without citizens having to pull the “yes” lever will be able to finagle the free money that gets the NFL’s attention.

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  1. redlikethepig says: Mar 31, 2017 3:39 PM

    First explain to us why your hockey team is playing in a desert.

  2. amace020 says: Mar 31, 2017 3:41 PM

    Bill Foley will not pay for his own stadium. T Mobile Arena is a joint venture between MGM and AEG.

  3. nbcwantsitsmoneyback says: Mar 31, 2017 3:42 PM

    Considering Mark Davis is putting down 1.15 billion for his stadium and Bill Foley didn’t pay a dime for his is a little hypocritical don’t you think???

  4. Matt from San Diego says: Mar 31, 2017 3:47 PM

    The Las Vegas Golden Knights?

    Man, I know there are no bad ideas in brainstorming? But you should really have focus grouped that one.

  5. thegreatgabbert says: Mar 31, 2017 3:48 PM

    The rally was held during daylight hours when all the residents are asleep.

  6. crik911 says: Mar 31, 2017 3:49 PM

    nbcwantsitsmoneyback says:
    Mar 31, 2017 3:42 PM
    Considering Mark Davis is putting down 1.15 billion for his stadium and Bill Foley didn’t pay a dime for his is a little hypocritical don’t you think???

    ————

    What are you talking about?

  7. jxt2521 says: Mar 31, 2017 3:51 PM

    That was an easy choice for the city of las vegas. they will easily make up that money in tax revenue. I’m not a raider fan, a gambler or some vegas lover but I’m already planning on going to a game out there. Vegas might not have a big population but it’s visitors are pure profit.

  8. OaklandLosAngelesLasVegasRaiders says: Mar 31, 2017 3:52 PM

    Oh well. Las Vegas Raiders!

  9. staffordisbetterthanyourteamsqb says: Mar 31, 2017 3:55 PM

    Yup and we as tourists to the city are going to be the ones who pay for it through an increase in hotel taxes. I personally think Vegas is a vile cesspool and the only times I’ve ever been there were to see a couple of my favorite bands play but in the future I’ll either be staying outside of city limits or avoiding the place all together. I don’t believe it’s appropriate to tax out of towners for things that don’t benefit them but directly benefit local residents. They should be the ones who pay for it since they’re the ones who will see an economic benefit from the team being there

  10. aliveguy24 says: Mar 31, 2017 4:08 PM

    As much as I want the Raiders to stay in Oakland….

    It won’t matter in 3-5 years the Golden Showers will be in Quebec anyway. This is just another dumb move by the NHL.

  11. collectordude says: Mar 31, 2017 4:09 PM

    Waaaahhhh!

  12. mathandstatsmatter says: Mar 31, 2017 4:09 PM

    Subsidizing the NFL = Dumbest thing ever

  13. gbbvan says: Mar 31, 2017 4:12 PM

    Hey Bill, go puck yourself!

  14. genoinabottlenyj says: Mar 31, 2017 4:13 PM

    i live in vegas and to be honest, as excited as I am for the raiders to come, mainly to have a diversion from the jets, its THREE YEARS AWAY!

    if the raiders were coming to town next year it would be a much different story and people would show up.

  15. genoinabottlenyj says: Mar 31, 2017 4:15 PM

    @stafford

    you are paying an extra 1.50 per night at a hotel… go to an airbnb if you dont want to get taxed. if a 1.50 means that much to you, you can go to our step sister up north that is known as Reno

  16. medialovesthecowboys says: Mar 31, 2017 4:18 PM

    The Vegas Golden Knights are going to be the next Atlanta Thrashers. Basketball and football will kill in Vegas. Hockey not so much.

  17. feckyerlife says: Mar 31, 2017 4:21 PM

    Correct, but its still not tax payer money like the raiders stadium, i guess you dont understand that part
    amace020 says:
    Mar 31, 2017 3:41 PM
    Bill Foley will not pay for his own stadium. T Mobile Arena is a joint venture between MGM and AEG.

  18. granadafan says: Mar 31, 2017 4:25 PM

    Major casinos cost the same as a stadium and generate MUCH more revenue, yet don’t receive any public money. Unlike a stadium, casinos are open 24/7 and 265 days a year, have millions go through the doors, employ hundreds of FULL TIME employees, and attract tourists. Stadiums sit empty the vast majority of the year and largely “employ” part time workers for security and concessions getting paid minimum wage.

    The Raiders will demand renovations after a few years like all NFL teams do.

    The taxpayers of Las Vegas and visitors got screwed, no ifs ands or buts.

  19. schmitty2 says: Mar 31, 2017 4:26 PM

    Says the man who did NOT pay for T-Mobile arena to be built and named his team the “Golden Knights”. Foley is salty because he wanted to be the only pro team in Sin City when in fact he should embrace the Raiders. People traveling out of town to see them might also choose to attend a hockey game as well. Please tell me the problem in that?

  20. trubroncfan07 says: Mar 31, 2017 4:29 PM

    Of course he does not want to compete for corporate sponsoring and fans spending dollars.

  21. joetoronto says: Mar 31, 2017 4:45 PM

    This guy is a nobody and the Raiders are a global brand.

    He should be happy just to be in the same town as them.

  22. madmike66 says: Mar 31, 2017 4:47 PM

    He’ll have the last laugh in 10 years when the Raiders move again. Las Vegas is not going to put 65,000 butts in those seats on Sundays.

  23. boiler72 says: Mar 31, 2017 4:49 PM

    Vegas getting the NHL disgusts me. Should have gone to Quebec and brought the Nordiques back. I hope the Golden Knights are terrible for decades.

  24. baldbuc says: Mar 31, 2017 4:54 PM

    The Vegas Golden Knights are going to be the next Atlanta Thrashers. Basketball and football will kill in Vegas. Hockey not so much.
    _____________________

    Not disagreeing however you never know. Most people didn’t think the NHL would work here in Tampa Bay however it’s the best game in town right now. People here love the Lightning.

  25. oneilistheone says: Mar 31, 2017 4:56 PM

    PFT podcast sounds like this to me, we just knew once Adelson and GS “pulled out”of the deal that it was on life preserve?Why all this concern about gambling now?did not think the deal was going down?

    So now we will just distract you with all this Gambling talk! Who cares,I don’t think we need you educate us as fans.who are you talking to?

    Why do you care? Raider fan here, never been to Vegas before not a gambler.Been to the O and now Im going Vegas before the integrity of the game is compromised.If you let Florio paint the picture for you.

  26. charger383 says: Mar 31, 2017 4:57 PM

    who is this guy?

  27. ratbastardshanahandjob says: Mar 31, 2017 5:04 PM

    No-one cares about him or his NHL team…..

  28. Frazier28/7 says: Mar 31, 2017 5:16 PM

    I’m guessing most people fly out of Vegas on Sunday.

  29. alonestartexan says: Mar 31, 2017 5:20 PM

    You know, all things considered, when you look at Las Vegas, it’s a great place to visit, there’s a lot of gambling related things to do, and it’s the entertainment capital of the world.

    Beyond that, you have to see that Las Vegas is THE most transient city in the country, even more so than most of Florida, which most people seem to think have too many teams because none of the above are well supported. The average household income is well below the national average, the economy is 99% tourism based, and most of the locals work shifts that are incompatible with an NFL schedule.

    All of that said, Las Vegas is going from having NO professional teams to having the NHL, the NFL, and if MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred has his way, Vegas will be getting a baseball expansion in the near future.

    Las Vegas won’t have enough people nor enough expendable money from their residents to support all of the above as far as teams go.

    The Raiders and their fans have it much worse than the NHL franchise though, Raiders fans are going to have to pay astronomical ticket prices on a $2 billion dollar stadium. The Cowboys stadium was only $1.4 billion and their tickets are so astronomically high that people had to get second mortgages to buy PSL’s.

    The Raiders should have stayed in the Bay Area or moved to San Antonio, Las Vegas is going to be an absolute nighmare for them, and they’re going to be stuck there for 30 years.

  30. harrisonhits2 says: Mar 31, 2017 5:21 PM

    He’s entirely correct. With the Trump Cuts coming no city or state should give the league one thin dime, its total insanity.

    They’ll be cutting vital public services such as police, fire, EMTs, teachers etc and giving a huge chunk of free money to the already ultra wealthy.

    Its disgusting

  31. ogawdwhereami says: Mar 31, 2017 5:21 PM

    NHL is more fun to watch than the NFL right now. I miss 90’s football.

  32. mytor1962 says: Mar 31, 2017 5:27 PM

    Raiders would have been better situated if they moved to San Antonio, which is a much bigger city that can support a Pro football team. Jerry Jones pimped Vegas along with Kronke to keep competition out their areas.

  33. aliveguy24 says: Mar 31, 2017 5:35 PM

    I miss 90s NHL

  34. stipez says: Mar 31, 2017 5:39 PM

    Hockey games will be packed in Vegas if you put video poker in each seat

  35. youknowiknowitall says: Mar 31, 2017 5:46 PM

    @stafford: Whining again? Is there nothing you don’t whine about?

  36. radrntn says: Mar 31, 2017 5:50 PM

    have to laugh that Mark Davis is spending 1.15 billion on his new stadium…..to be clear Davis is spending 400 million on relocation fees, and maybe 200 million on being a tenant….besides that don’t see where he is spending anything more. The state is putting 1 billion in public money they do not have, that should go to education, and other public services, and B of A is putting in 650 million on a loan that I am not exactly sure who will pay. I can only assume it is the public as well.

    I still don’t believe it will ever happen….lets wait until they one find a spot (as Steve Wynn’s dirt is the only one that makes sense) , and they start to move dirt.

  37. babygaga19 says: Mar 31, 2017 5:54 PM

    OMG Foley, how do cities with teams in the NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL even exist?

  38. staffordisbetterthanyourteamsqb says: Mar 31, 2017 6:11 PM

    genoinabottlenyj says:
    Mar 31, 2017 4:15 PM
    @stafford

    you are paying an extra 1.50 per night at a hotel… go to an airbnb if you dont want to get taxed. if a 1.50 means that much to you, you can go to our step sister up north that is known as Reno
    ========================================
    It’s not the $1.50 it’s the principal that I don’t believe they should be funding their stadium on the backs of tourists who will see no benefit from it. And I politely decline your request to ever return to Reno one time there was far more than enough.

  39. war27 says: Mar 31, 2017 6:50 PM

    His hockey team will play in front of full crowds, if not tickets will just get comped out.

    I’ve been to a NJ Devils and Pittsburgh Penguin home games only because they happened to be playing the night before and we had traveled for the NFL game. They go hand and hand IMO.

  40. radrntn says: Mar 31, 2017 6:56 PM

    staffordisbetterthanyourteamsqb says:
    Mar 31, 2017 6:11 PM
    genoinabottlenyj says:
    Mar 31, 2017 4:15 PM
    @stafford

    you are paying an extra 1.50 per night at a hotel… go to an airbnb if you dont want to get taxed. if a 1.50 means that much to you, you can go to our step sister up north that is known as Reno
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Thats funny coming from somebody who then must be our step sister down there….All I can say to that is Lake Tahoe vs Lake Mead, Median home price in Reno- $315,000 vs Las Vegas $210,00,median family income Reno $68k vs Las vegas $51k transient residents vs permanent residents…….I lived in both, and all I can say there is a reason Death Valley is so close by to Las Vegas.

  41. aliveguy24 says: Mar 31, 2017 6:56 PM

    @boiler72

    Quebec will get the “golden knights” sooner than later. Which NHL beat writer said name em Las Vegas Nords.? So in a few years when they ultimately head to Quebec They don’t have to change the name.

  42. Silver and Black attack says: Mar 31, 2017 7:15 PM

    NHL? I’d rather watch Chinese badminton.

  43. genericcommenter says: Mar 31, 2017 7:15 PM

    I don’t really know much about Foley. Is he one of the few billionaires who doesn’t use massive welfare in the form of wealth transfers from taxpayers or the theft of private property via eminent domain? I’m not holding my breath, but to the extent such guys exist I would celebrate them much more than the fake “deal makers” and “successful” businessmen who get welfare for 40 years and then brand themselves as outsiders who attack everyone else as being leeches.

  44. thegreatgabbert says: Mar 31, 2017 7:24 PM

    What’s the difference between Chinese badminton and the Sengalese Pygmy badminton you play Silver and Black?

  45. ajd4 says: Mar 31, 2017 7:26 PM

    medialovesthecowboys says:
    Mar 31, 2017 4:18 PM
    The Vegas Golden Knights are going to be the next Atlanta Thrashers. Basketball and football will kill in Vegas. Hockey not so much.

    ——————————————————–
    Football is my favorite sport to watch on TV but hockey might be the best sport to watch live, as far as the NBA, wake me up for the second half of game 7 in the finals. Granted I grew up playing hockey so I understand the game where a native of Vegas may not but I bet there are a lot of northern transplants in Vegas that are pretty excited about the NHL coming to town. It is also working pretty well in southern cities like Dallas and Tampa so maybe it is just you that says not so much.

  46. mrx149 says: Mar 31, 2017 7:35 PM

    nbcwantsitsmoneyback says:
    Mar 31, 2017 3:42 PM
    Considering Mark Davis is putting down 1.15 billion for his stadium and Bill Foley didn’t pay a dime for his is a little hypocritical don’t you think???

    ————

    What are you talking about?

    ————

    Well, $300 million from the Raiders, plus a $200 million loan from the NFL, plus a $650 million loan from B of A equals $1.15 billion the Raiders are responsible for.

  47. guyjuneguyjune says: Mar 31, 2017 7:44 PM

    The Raiders might play in the Oakland Coliseum for three more seasons? Davis thinks the Raider fans are so stupid they’ll keep attending games there. Real Raider fans are crushed and betrayed by this awful move. Davis has fired the fans, but he believes they’re going to keep coming back with their hard earned dollars. What grandiosity Davis has! The Raiders and NFL have made a real screw-up letting them re-locate to Las Vegas. Do you really believe their players won’t succome to the in- your- face temptations of brothels, hot clubs and black jack everywhere? Look, too many players are getting busted in the NFL for violence of all kinds. Now you’re going to wave these things in their faces. This is a disaster waiting to happen just like the Chargers re-location to Carson. When is the NFL going to wake up? Let’s see..how about the Alabama Jets or better yet the San Antonio Bills or the Utah Bears? You’re watching the self destruction of the NFL.

  48. raiduhs says: Mar 31, 2017 7:50 PM

    VEGAS RAIDERS will work like a charm. Foley made those comments months ago. he is onboard now. Thank you tourists for financing our stadium through the hotel tax….That means YOU California…GENIUS!!!

  49. davew128 says: Mar 31, 2017 7:51 PM

    redlikethepig says:
    Mar 31, 2017 3:39 PM
    First explain to us why your hockey team is playing in a desert.
    **********************
    The same reason the Winnipeg Jets moved to Phoenix and renamed themselves the Coyotes.

  50. r8dernation says: Mar 31, 2017 8:03 PM

    You have to pay for your own building when you’re a 4th or 5th tier sport.

  51. devildoginasia says: Mar 31, 2017 8:05 PM

    redlikethepig says:

    First explain to us why your hockey team is playing in a desert.

    … Still laughing, well said brother.

  52. rohlo71 says: Mar 31, 2017 8:29 PM

    aliveguy24 says:
    Mar 31, 2017 6:56 PM
    @boiler72

    Quebec will get the “golden knights” sooner than later. Which NHL beat writer said name em Las Vegas Nords.? So in a few years when they ultimately head to Quebec They don’t have to change the name.

    ————-

    Houston is gonna be the next city to get a hockey team.nhl has even said they want the Houston market.Large tv market and over 8 million people in the metro tv market.heard the coyotes if things sont get worked out could relocate there.

  53. jjfootball says: Mar 31, 2017 8:32 PM

    He know’s people prefer football that’s why!

  54. aliveguy24 says: Mar 31, 2017 8:59 PM

    Rohlo71

    First I’ve heard of that. I’ve heard from more than credible sources ground work in Quebec is already done. This go around of expansion pissed them off but Winnipeg had to wait a bit before they got the Jets back.

    Quebec
    Seattle
    Hartford
    Houston (I’m simply assuming the notion)
    Are the next cities to get expansion/relocated teams.

  55. autumnwind999 says: Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM

    Let’s be honest, he just doesn’t want the competition.
    Also, the Golden Knights is a stupid name for a hockey team.

  56. omeimontis says: Mar 31, 2017 9:55 PM

    There are a lot of Hispanics in Vegas, most of them working in the hotel industry there. Few of them have the dough to spend on a football ticket. They would much rather spend their money watching a soccer game. There aren’t many high tech industry workers there making a decent wage, unlike places like Frisco Bay. Season ticket sales will likely be low, and many tourists may book a hotel and buy a ticket as part of their visit. If they don’t win consistently there will likely be a lot of empty seats.

  57. 49ersfury says: Mar 31, 2017 10:36 PM

    Who can blame them. It was cold living in that 49ers shadow. They had to run to the desert heat to a market that is smaller than Birmingham Alabama.

  58. intentionallywidenberg says: Mar 31, 2017 10:44 PM

    aliveguy24 says:

    Quebec will get the “golden knights” sooner than later. Which NHL beat writer said name em Las Vegas Nords.? So in a few years when they ultimately head to Quebec They don’t have to change the name.
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    Not gonna happen.
    L.V. Golden Knights will be successful for a while – they’ve sold plenty of season tix and will also have hotels & casinos selling tickets to visitors as part of travel packages. It’s a much better financial situation than Arizona or Colorado or Sunrise FL, which have all managed to stumble along for years. And Foley is stubborn as heck – he’s not going to move the team easily and certainly not to Canada.

    Fans have been moving teams to Q.C. for years, but Q.C. is a tiny city. Moving an unsuccessful team to a city that is probably too small to support it isn’t a good business risk. The NHL has been and will be hard to win over on a deal like that. Meanwhile, putting another team in Quebec doesn’t grow the sport. Putting a team in the U.S. does.

    Expect a team to appear in the pacific northwest before Quebec.

  59. dsheik says: Mar 31, 2017 11:57 PM

    lol

    So he would have preferred to be the only professional team in town? Say it aint so

  60. namriverrat69 says: Apr 1, 2017 1:52 AM

    This is all about Foley’s giant ego.

  61. senatorblutarsky says: Apr 1, 2017 1:59 AM

    “Reportedly, only 50 showed up for a rally celebrating the move.”
    _________________________

    Does that mean the hundreds of thousands who will be purchasing tickets were busy working in order to be able to afford those tickets?

  62. bigmark67 says: Apr 1, 2017 11:29 AM

    Should have named the hockey team Las Vegas Neon Knights, then they could have played the Black Sabbath tune Neon Knights after every goal or when introducing the team before games.

  63. chomskyp says: Apr 1, 2017 1:37 PM

    It’s a gamble for everyone involved, for Vegas it’s an understandable move it puts them in a major public relations world though it already has it, Vegas is counting on the NFL world fans of those 8 home games the Raiders will bring , and it seems been an NFL fan is like golf nowadays it’s an elitist sport, so the immediate beneficiary of all this regardless of the outcome it’s Vegas, the NFL fans will flock Vegas, plus the major artist who will perform at the new stadium will bring their fans there for a weekend too or other Music Festivals, and then there is FIFA caliber soccer games and European league games too wich brings fans from different interest from all over the nation and the world, this is a win, win for Vegas no matter how you put it, so that’s why I think Vegas did the right move Mark Davis he is the one that put up 1.15 billion for this move and if it doesn’t pan out like the outlook he is the one that might loose ownership of his team, so if someone is concerned about public coffers , believe me you will have money to throw up in the air after a few years no matter the outcome of this, for Vegas like AL Davis would say, Just Win Baby.

  64. bhaley3 says: Apr 1, 2017 4:28 PM

    “Thank you tourists for financing our stadium through the hotel tax….That means YOU California…GENIUS!!!”

    Hahahaha too true!

    Someone above also said the residents wouldnt be able to support or have the income to fill the LV Raiders stadium…well I bet they would be able to fill half of the stadium! The other half will be filled with opposing teams fans!

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