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What was said about Dion Jordan in 2013, and the lesson from it

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And so it began in 2013, the NFL Network booth reacting to Commissioner Roger Goodell’s podium announcement of Dion Jordan as the Dolphins’ selection at No. 3 overall following a trade with the Raiders. The analysts expected tackle Lane Johnson, hence their surprise. That reaction is not to be faulted.

What was said afterward, and in the weeks before, is where the lesson comes.

When projecting draft prospects, no one knows for certain.

The Dolphins finally released Jordan on Friday, ending months of expectation. The ex-Oregon defensive end totaled the same number of suspensions for violating the league’s substance-abuse policy, three, as he did sacks in Miami. His regard in 2013 speaks equally to Jordan’s talent level as to there being few guarantees in scouting.

Here is what was said after Jordan was selected.

Mike Mayock: “This young man, I think he’s got the potential to be the player that I compare him to, which is Jason Taylor, who ironically played for the Miami Dolphins. I also think he looks a little bit like an Aldon Smith, and if he puts on 20 pounds on that 6-foot-7 frame, some day he might be as good as a DeMarcus Ware. He’s got that kind of edge speed.”

Steve Mariucci: “You know, I talked to his coach Nick Aliotti the other day, his defensive coordinator at Oregon. And he said this kid loves football. He loves to play. He loves to practice. He’s fully committed right now to football. This guy has got everything that it takes not only to rush the passer but to drop into coverage at over 6-6. This guy, when he puts on a little muscle, he’s going to be dynamite.”

Marshall Faulk: “Dion Jordan is the guy that you don’t have to scheme to get a sack. He gets you a sack. And if you’re going to to compete against the New England Patriots two times a year, you have to be able to just beat a guy 1-on-1 and get a sack and not blitz Tom Brady. You need this guy.”

That was the immediate reaction to Jordan’s selection.

Mayock stood out in a key area, doing well to say what Jordan could be as opposed to will be.

Pre-draft chatter included this from Bleacher Report: “If a player is going to be considered a ‘can’t-miss’ prospect, he needs to have a combination of elite physical traits, sound technical football skills and be free of character flaws. Oregon linebacker Dion Jordan may not be the first player selected on Thursday night, but when you consider the combination of athleticism and versatility he brings to the table, there is no way Jordan will fail to produce in the NFL.”

Jon Gruden anchored the ESPN broadcast’s reaction to Jordan’s selection.

He had his doubts.

“I really like Dion Jordan’s athleticism, but I’m shocked about this pick,” Gruden said. “When I watch Dion Jordan play, Mel (Kiper), I just don’t see him play. And this isn’t any false information. When you watch Oregon play, he doesn’t play against Cal because he’s hurt. But they play almost like hockey. He plays six plays; he’s out six plays. When you watch Dion Jordan play seven snaps in an NFL game, that’ll be the first time you’ve ever seen him do it. … He’s a great athlete, but there’s a lot of unknown right now at third overall.”

Plenty of love will be shown toward prospects during and after the April 27 to 29 draft.

It’s best digested with a grain of salt.

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45 Responses to “What was said about Dion Jordan in 2013, and the lesson from it”
  1. lightcleric says: Mar 31, 2017 7:08 PM

    If Jon Gruden finds someone he doesn’t love, that is one heck of a red flag.

  2. BMacColtsJeremiah2911 says: Mar 31, 2017 7:09 PM

    3 PED violations, dumb, dumber, and dumbest. You have to be pretty stupid to get caught 3 times in such a short period of time.

  3. jchipwood says: Mar 31, 2017 7:14 PM

    But yet the main guy on this site had him going #1 to the Chiefs in his mock draft which bleacher report totally disagreed on.

  4. finnymcphin says: Mar 31, 2017 7:14 PM

    Well Mayock was the closest of the bunch. Jordan’s career does look a bit like Aldon Smith’s, at least from a suspension standpoint.

  5. thegreatgabbert says: Mar 31, 2017 7:17 PM

    I can tell you exactly what was said – “This guy is an idiot, don’t draft him!”.

    But no one ever listens to me.

  6. uglydingo says: Mar 31, 2017 7:19 PM

    The worst and costliest Draft selection in Dolphins history. Too many experts were too impressed by Dion’s size/speed ratio. The warning from this is not to get too enamored by the Combine results and focus on the actual game analysis (a timely reminder as we head towards the Draft). Miami has finally accepted its mistake and cut its losses. The only good thing coming out of the Jordan debacle was that it accelerated Jeff Ireland’s exit.

  7. biggs13 says: Mar 31, 2017 7:21 PM

    Chucky was right.

  8. checkxtheblock says: Mar 31, 2017 7:22 PM

    Gruden was right.

  9. dawoger says: Mar 31, 2017 7:25 PM

    The lesson is: the most dangerous liars are the ones who think they are telling the truth.

  10. thegreatgabbert says: Mar 31, 2017 7:35 PM

    From Bob McGinn – “suffered third degree burns over 40% of his body when a vacuum cleaner he and his friends were using to siphon gas exploded.”. That was the first clue.

  11. champs794 says: Mar 31, 2017 7:41 PM

    All the better to ignore the mocks, analysts, or the draft itself.

    Last I checked, HR is not a competitive sport.

  12. exinsidetrader says: Mar 31, 2017 7:44 PM

    Draft predictors are like political pundits and pollsters — no one ever gets fired and ignored for being horribly wrong.

    Until they start putting money or jobs on the line, listening to them is no more informative of what will happen than listening to a bum outside Cleveland Stadium.

  13. donbat67 says: Mar 31, 2017 7:53 PM

    Nobody knew who he was , there were all spewing BS .

  14. granadafan says: Mar 31, 2017 7:56 PM

    ALWAYS.WATCH.THE.TAPE. Everyone raved about how athletic he was and his combine numbers. Mel Kiper knows them by heart. Only Gruden pointed out something he saw on tape. Gruden loves and raves about everyone. When he says something negative, you ought to pay attention.

  15. aliveguy24 says: Mar 31, 2017 8:03 PM

    Jeez if Gruden doesn’t have “This Guy” in the HOF after one play on MNF. Then yeah he’s a bust.

  16. 6thsense10 says: Mar 31, 2017 8:05 PM

    thegreatgabbert says:
    Mar 31, 2017 7:17 PM
    I can tell you exactly what was said – “This guy is an idiot, don’t draft him!”.

    But no one ever listens to me.
    —-
    Wow….after calling almost every draft pick a bust you finally got one right…yaaay you.

  17. dolphins4 says: Mar 31, 2017 8:18 PM

    Boy I hope the Redskins hire Mayock as their GM.

  18. RandyinRoxbury says: Mar 31, 2017 8:23 PM

    Just another Jeff Ireland draft pick who was Parcells little GM genius. 🙂

  19. Matt from San Diego says: Mar 31, 2017 8:27 PM

    What I remember most about the pick was that at the time the talking heads said it was “a luxury pick” because the Dolphins had so many picks.

    Luxury picks at #3 and this is one of those teams Im not sure anyone genuinely cares about(in my mind they finish 8-8 literally every year). Never take the 3rd overall pick for granted man, some of our teams dont have the opportunity to draft that high ever, and if we did? we sure wouldn’t consider it a luxury pick.

  20. Drunk Uncle says: Mar 31, 2017 8:29 PM

    champs794 says:

    Last I checked, HR is not a competitive sport.
    ————-

    Employment law is a multi-billion dollar industry for a reason.

  21. I prefer my Crush to be Orange says: Mar 31, 2017 8:30 PM

    Oregon lmao

  22. bobsacamano2 says: Mar 31, 2017 8:37 PM

    (In Gruden’s voice) I like this Michael Ghelkin. This guy can write a real story with proper grammar technique and journalistic integrity. It’ll be interesting to see how Florio uses him. I’d like to let this guy roam free in space and see what he can do.

    Seriously. Great edition by PFT. Great writer.

  23. charliecharger says: Mar 31, 2017 8:42 PM

    granadafan says:
    Mar 31, 2017 7:56 PM

    ALWAYS.WATCH.THE.TAPE. Everyone raved about how athletic he was and his combine numbers. Mel Kiper knows them by heart. Only Gruden pointed out something he saw on tape. Gruden loves and raves about everyone. When he says something negative, you ought to pay attention.
    **********************
    These guys play football for several years and have tons of tape to look at, but then they look great in gym shorts at the combine and suddenly start moving up draft boards. The talking heads on TV have never looked at tape (except Gruden). Everyone uses the cliché “does this guy love football?”. Well that applies to talking heads too. If those other guys loved football as much as Gruden does, they’d be in there with him watching tape.

  24. bakeberryjam says: Mar 31, 2017 8:51 PM

    Jeff Ireland. Like a boss!

  25. autumnwind999 says: Mar 31, 2017 9:08 PM

    That was one of the worst draft classes ever. Eric Fisher (who is terrible) at 1. Then Luke Joeckel. Then Jordan. You’ve also got Barkevious Mingo, Jonathan Cooper and Dee Milliner in the top 10.

    There’s like 5 good players in the entire forst round, and even some of those guys have had some issues.

  26. phillyfinsfan says: Mar 31, 2017 9:35 PM

    Bringing Bill Parcells in was an even bigger mistake. You can argue that they won the division in his first year as GM, but if you remember, Brady blew his knew out (week 2?), Chad Pennington fell into their lap, their schedule was easy and they relied on a gimmick offense (wildcat) to win games. When it was time to play the big boys in the postseason, they got beat down by the Ravens in their own house. They never came close again and the franchise got stuck (second owner’s fault) with Parcells’ protege, Jeff Ireland too long and he continued to sink the franchise into oblivion. I feel like they are finally digging themselves out. We’ll see.

  27. twoteamsforlosangeles says: Mar 31, 2017 9:40 PM

    Even Michael Sam had more value than this guy.

  28. steeelfann0155 says: Mar 31, 2017 9:40 PM

    The daffy media. Like when Willie McGinist was doing a preview last year of the Steelers vscfomevtesm. He was talking about how Cam Heyward would play, how he needed to be controlled and so forth. Only problem was Heyward had been out for a he year on I/R for awhile. Willie was just making stuff up and taking a check. Pitiful

  29. celriot1 says: Mar 31, 2017 9:56 PM

    To be fair he didn’t really suck, he just doped his way out of the league. You’ll never know what the talent could have turned into.

  30. suncawy says: Mar 31, 2017 10:07 PM

    Well, maybe he could have a career like Tony Mandrich. Gets cut, then comes back plays for the Colts, nothing special, but decent enough to play.

  31. jcampol says: Mar 31, 2017 10:22 PM

    Everyone bashing Ireland should look at his draft history. He drafted fairly well, (obviously minus this monumental mistake) he was more a victim of awful coaches. But that’s my opinion. He made more mistakes in free agency than he did drafting.

  32. maverick2560 says: Mar 31, 2017 10:24 PM

    He wasn’t suspended for PED he was suspended for substance abuse.
    Randy Gregory is the new Dion Jordan. The teams probably wish it was for Peds.

  33. drudema says: Mar 31, 2017 10:47 PM

    Finally scrubbed off the last bit of stench that Ireland left on the Dolphins. That is a man that should never, in any capacity, have anything to do with a teams personal.

  34. thegreatgabbert says: Mar 31, 2017 10:57 PM

    Well he was with the team that drafted him longer than the guy taken ahead of him that year.

  35. doe22us says: Apr 1, 2017 12:55 AM

    uglydingo says:
    Mar 31, 2017 7:19 PM
    The worst and costliest Draft selection in Dolphins history.

    Well silver lining this was post rookie wage scale, or else you guys will be tripping balls. However, he was bad 1 game in 4 years what lol..

  36. gogreenbiotch says: Apr 1, 2017 1:04 AM

    The top 3 picks in that draft have sucked. The Eagles really lucked out with Johnson falling to them. He may be the the best lineman in football.

  37. stipez says: Apr 1, 2017 1:30 AM

    It’s coincidental that Taylor also played for the Dolphins not ironic.

    It’d be ironic if he were a killer whale.

  38. kayakattack says: Apr 1, 2017 4:11 AM

    This was no surprise to those of us who know football. I don’t think I’ve listened to an ESPN talking head in about 10 years.

  39. frpsr says: Apr 1, 2017 6:33 AM

    dawoger says:
    Mar 31, 2017 7:25 PM
    The lesson is: the most dangerous liars are the ones who think they are telling the truth.
    The professional salesman , politician , are the dangerous folks you are referring to . The pattern of talk from these seasoned experts is dangerous for the amateur to follow too closely . The very real injuries from whiplash as they reverse positions , the envy of every athlete , are painful to endure for both victim and family .
    Yes yes yes , of course they believe . These are the among the reasons bridges are hot hot hot property in Brooklyn . Sell !

  40. nyfcat says: Apr 1, 2017 6:58 AM

    Sure, Gruden was right, but that’s not why Jordan failed. He was very productive in college and had all the physical traits one could ask for. He just got into the NFL, got a few million dollars, and decided he didn’t want to work very hard.

  41. mrpeepee says: Apr 1, 2017 7:27 AM

    Eagles fans were dying to trade Graham for him years ago. Thank God that didn’t happen

  42. Patskrieg says: Apr 1, 2017 7:47 AM

    An undersized Chip Kelly recruit with limited college tape, no NFL position, and who literally blew himself up with a vacuum cleaner…

    I doubt Jeff Ireland was the only one dumb enough to draft high on such a sizzling prospect, but he sure rose the occasion like a boss.

  43. revren10 says: Apr 1, 2017 11:14 AM

    Couldn’t perform without the peds. But the Dolphins can still try and be second best in the AFC East

  44. electricfootballlivesmfcaforum says: Apr 1, 2017 11:38 AM

    Next time quote some “real in the field” SCOUT and stop listening to TV personalities. And no, not GMS either because many of them listen to the TV personalities as well.
    Mayock to Washington would be great…says the rest of the NFC east.

  45. tarniman says: Apr 1, 2017 9:59 PM

    Anybody that wants to limit DUIs to “bad guys” needs to look up the hundreds of DUIs arrests of Police officers. In Georgia ALONE. Get it right Im saying the officers were getting arrested for DUIs NOT making the arrests. Thats right these officers were driving DRUNK. ….and no it wasn’t limited to low ranking officers. Even police Captains were getting arrested.

    “Habersham County Sheriff’s Captain Freddie Chapman has been arrested 4 times on alcohol related charges spanning back to an underage alcohol violation in 1988”

    Don’t believe well you have the same internet access…the same Google look it up for yourself

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