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Which team(s) will be the next to move?

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Twenty years passed without an NFL team moving. Now, three have secured permission to pack up the Mayflowers in less than 15 months.

So who’s next? While there’s a chance another generation or longer may pass before a move occurs, it feels like the NFL currently remains in the early morning hours of a new phase of franchise relocations. As stadiums currently in use become obsolete based either on technological advances or a keeping-up-with-the-Joneses dynamic (fueled by the carrot of hosting Super Bowls), teams will continue to want cutting-edge facilities until the blade is so dull it couldn’t cut cream.

The shift away from public money complicates matters for teams in smaller markets. If taxpayer funds aren’t available when it’s time to build a new stadium, owners will have to ask themselves two questions: (1) is there a city that will cough up significant public money to lure an NFL team there?; and (2) if we’re going to pay for a stadium in our current market, should we simply pay for one in a larger market?

The Bills could be the next team that slides into the free-money-or-find-a-new-city analysis, but others won’t be far behind. Consider this fairly ominous quote from Bengals owner Mike Brown.

“If we didn’t have the stadium we have today I don’t think we would have been able to stay in Cincinnati,” Brown said last week in Arizona, via Paul Dehner of the Cincinnati Enquirer. “We would have had to move because the numbers wouldn’t have allowed an NFL team to be supported.”

The Bengals wouldn’t have that stadium if they didn’t have taxpayer money and a sweetheart lease that runs through 2026. If taxpayer money isn’t available when the lease expires, does this mean the Bengals will move? And will they be alone when the time comes for the stadiums built within the last 20 years to be replaced?

“Our situation is akin to the teams that were in the stadium development game at the same time we were: Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Baltimore, every team in our division, for example,” Brown said. “I don’t think they are all going to move. I hope none of them move.”

Under the current make-billionaires-pay-for-their-own-buildings climate, it will be hard for the NFL to go four for four in the eventual AFC North effort to shake public cash from the trees. With plenty of other teams likely to be in the same boat sooner than later, the relocation of the Rams, Chargers, and Raiders isn’t the end but only the beginning.

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  1. binarymath says: Apr 1, 2017 7:20 PM

    I’ll take Jacksonville and give you the rest of the field…

  2. pardonmyjake says: Apr 1, 2017 7:21 PM

    i no they just built a stadium but i see the vikings moving very fast. bad market, no tradition and in reel estate you can just sell what you buy or build

  3. pourman says: Apr 1, 2017 7:23 PM

    Extortion

  4. eatme2259 says: Apr 1, 2017 7:25 PM

    GB

  5. packfaninchitown says: Apr 1, 2017 7:30 PM

    Bills to maybe Toronto, maybe a team in Mexico.

    Jags in London makes sense if the NFL is bound and determined to put a team in Europe but that would still be a disaster.

  6. ogawdwhereami says: Apr 1, 2017 7:33 PM

    Jacksonville for sure. Buffalo I could see happening.

    Also the Seahawks will be moving to San Antonio. Has a nice ring to it.

  7. FinFan68 says: Apr 1, 2017 7:38 PM

    A better question might be…

    If they are spending over a billion dollars why can’t they build a stadium that lasts longer than 20 years? That number seems arbitrary and may just be an easy target since any politician involved will be long gone. All those skyscrapers in our big cities were not built within the last couple decades. Many, I suspect, were built pre-WWII.

  8. packmangamble says: Apr 1, 2017 7:40 PM

    GB

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    With 84,000 people on the season ticket waiting list?? Riiiiight!

  9. thegreatgabbert says: Apr 1, 2017 7:40 PM

    Mike Brown ran into a homeless guy on the street. He managed to get nearly $2 in change out of the guy and half of the basket of cherries someone left on his blanket.

  10. jdblasi34 says: Apr 1, 2017 7:44 PM

    The Bills shouldn’t even be on this list due to one fact, Terry and Kim Pegula own the Buffalo Sabres, and an NFL owner can only own another sports franchise if that fits an hose is in the same city as the NFL team. Not to mention the Pegula recent involvement in revitalizing the downtown and waterfront area of buffalo, and the fact they’re worth around $4B I don’t see the Bills going anywhere anytime soon.

  11. briang123 says: Apr 1, 2017 7:45 PM

    You could have easily predicted the Rams, Chargers, and Raiders would move. The only teams that could possibly move are the Jaguars and Bills. but where could they move in the U.S.? Jerry Jones has a top-10 market as a secondary market so he isn’t just letting someone move to San Antonio without a fight. Where else is even possible? Portland? Birmingham? Oklahoma City? St. Louis isn’t giving anyone a nickel. London has been groomed to replace LA as the boogeyman. The logistics would not work for one team there, no matter how much people try to convince themselves otherwise. Toronto isn’t happening. Bills couldn’t even get one game a year there going. Once you start thinking about it, it’s not that simple.

  12. gridles says: Apr 1, 2017 7:46 PM

    No chance the owner of the Bills would pull them out of Buffalo while still owing the NHL team in the same town.

  13. hbudgess says: Apr 1, 2017 7:50 PM

    Pardonmyjake, when you sell out your season tickets, and have a 20 or 30 year lease, how can you come up with such an idiotic comment. Get real!

  14. rondayne says: Apr 1, 2017 7:51 PM

    Buffalo isn’t going anywhere. In fact, I would bet that there won’t be anymore relocations for a long time. The London thing is never going to happen.

    You act like mass relocation is inevitable, but think about it: the best the Raiders could do was move to Vegas. Most NFL owners didn’t vote for Vegas because they thought it was a great move, they did it because they didn’t see any other choice based on what Oakland came up with. This means that no other cities came up with a good option either.

    So where are these great relocation options going to come from? You say teams, if they have to use their own money, may just choose to build in bigger markets. But what big market is out there that is lacking a team? The biggest available markets are the ones that have shown no interest in paying for a stadium based on the fact that they lost their teams (St. Louis, San Diego, Oakland). The next biggest ones are places like San Antonio and Portland, which would still be in the bottom third of NFL market sizes.

    Unless you believe the NFL is going to relocate a team to Toronto, London, or Mexico (which I do not), I find it hard to believe an NFL owner is salivating at the idea of paying a fat relocation fee to uproot their teams to San Antonio or Portland. With teams now in LA, the NFL no longer has the same leverage over their current markets as they did before, because really, where are they really going to go?

  15. dregonspengler says: Apr 1, 2017 7:54 PM

    eatme wrote:
    GB

    packmangamble says:
    With 84,000 people on the season ticket waiting list?? Riiiiight!
    ——
    packman, you’re right of course. But if wouldn’t matter if there were 84 people on the waiting list.
    The way the Packers are structured — with an ownership model contrary to league rules, but one grandfathered in by the NFL — the Packers are all but prevented from ever moving.
    Then again, I suspect eatme2259 already knows that and is merely trolling under one of his many accounts.

  16. President Ackbar says: Apr 1, 2017 7:55 PM

    When the Bills lease expires in 2023, the Ralph will be 50 years old.

  17. binarymath says: Apr 1, 2017 7:55 PM

    Some interesting factoids about the population of metro areas:

    Cincinnati was mentioned in the article. According to Wikipedia, they are #28 in population and Las Vegas is #29

    San Diego (17) and St Louis (20) were deemed “too small” and recently lost NFL teams. Portland (25), lost its NBA team to Oklahoma City (41) in a similarly flawed argument about size.

    No surprise that Green Bay (#157) is the smallest metro area with an NFL team. It is about half the size of Des Moines (89).

    But Buffalo (#50), New Orleans (46), Jacksonville (#40), Nashville (36) are smaller than expected for cities with NFL teams.

    Some large metro areas without teams are Riverside/San Bernardino/Ontario CA (#13 by themselves WITHOUT including Los Angeles), Orlando (23), San Antonio (24), Portland (25) and Sacramento (27).

    Austin (31) is about the same size as Cincy and Vegas, Cleveland, Columbus, and Indianapolis.

    Again, this is based on estimated 2016 population, and does not reflect how any of those cities would support a team.

  18. tonebones says: Apr 1, 2017 7:55 PM

    I’d like to see Mike Brown sell the team to Eddie DeBartolo. Eddie would have that team in the super bowl in two years, and give those fans what they deserve. If they need a new stadium built, no problem for Eddie. In fact. after a couple trips to the super bowl, the city will be begging Eddie to let them build him a new stadium with tax payer money. And Eddie won’t have to bring in Jim Harbaugh to get the stadium built.

  19. President Ackbar says: Apr 1, 2017 7:58 PM

    The bigger question is, which city will come out of nowhere with a ton of cash?

    Vegas wasn’t even on the radar until they found 750m under their couch cushions.

  20. deneb1973 says: Apr 1, 2017 8:00 PM

    The palace stadium movement is not sustainable in the long run. The market in the US is saturated and may even be contracting making it essential that the owners look hard at their business model that was first introduced by Jerry Jones. I believe the Raiders happened to catch lightning in a bottle by establishing an identity that transcends location and stadium facilities much like the Steelers, Cowboys, Giants and possibly the Patriots (though their following may be a result of sustained excellence or the presence of a superstar QB). The new business model needs to focus on the team – not the facilities. Make the fan experience about the brand and embrace the internet and ancillary opportunities like training camp, meet the team events, internet tutorials on football hosted by the coaches, etc. Take the concept and adjust it for technology. No one wants to spend hundreds of dollars to sit in traffic and pay exorbitant prices for stale food. Move away from mortar and bricks to the net … or get left behind.

  21. 80sbroncofan says: Apr 1, 2017 8:03 PM

    For those saying the owner of bills also owns an NHL team in the same city Stan kroenke of the Rams also owns an nba team and an NHL team in Denver. The league will bend the cross ownership rules if it means they can make more money.

  22. fumblenuts says: Apr 1, 2017 8:06 PM

    Jacksonville for sure. Buffalo I could see happening.

    Also the Seahawks will be moving to San Antonio. Has a nice ring to it.

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    Seahawks? Do you understand the person (Paul Allen) who owns the team $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  23. cheeseisfattening says: Apr 1, 2017 8:07 PM

    GB

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    With 84,000 people on the season ticket waiting list?? Riiiiight!
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    It’s not the length of the season ticket waiting list that will keep the Packers in Green Bay. It’s the ability of the Packers to have the Brown county government take public tax payer money money when needed and give it to the Packers so they do not consider moving. Most recently the Brown County public was drained of more than $300 million later over 15 years. The next Lambeau field becomes obsolete the Packers will again get public money from Brown County tax payers. This time it will probably be more the $750 million precedent set by Las Vegas.

  24. marthisdil says: Apr 1, 2017 8:08 PM

    FinFan68 says:
    Apr 1, 2017 7:38 PM
    A better question might be…

    If they are spending over a billion dollars why can’t they build a stadium that lasts longer than 20 years? That number seems arbitrary and may just be an easy target since any politician involved will be long gone. All those skyscrapers in our big cities were not built within the last couple decades. Many, I suspect, were built pre-WWII.

    ========================

    Except all those skyscrapers are making X amount of $$ per square foot, every month, of every year.

    So, say a stadium costs $1 billion and is designed to last 20 years. Means it’s costing $50 mill a year (let’s not figure interest into things). Most teams being in that stadium will generate over $50 mill a year just to cover the stadium without an issue. Add in the other overhead and the salary cap, and small town teams have issues.

    Football stadiums don’t make much money after the season ends. Some towns are lucky to have some other events in theirs – the Houston Rodeo for example (lasts almost a month or so). But others, when there’s no football, there’s no money.

    If there were a way to make money money after month, consistently, it’d be far easier – just like in your skyscraper example.

  25. marthisdil says: Apr 1, 2017 8:09 PM

    jdblasi34 says:
    Apr 1, 2017 7:44 PM
    The Bills shouldn’t even be on this list due to one fact, Terry and Kim Pegula own the Buffalo Sabres, and an NFL owner can only own another sports franchise if that fits an hose is in the same city as the NFL team. Not to mention the Pegula recent involvement in revitalizing the downtown and waterfront area of buffalo, and the fact they’re worth around $4B I don’t see the Bills going anywhere anytime soon.

    ================

    The Sabres suck, too.

    Maybe they can find a sucker to buy both – or maybe a buy one, get one free, sale.

  26. jag1959 says: Apr 1, 2017 8:10 PM

    The Jags and Bills are the most likely candidates with the Saints as the dark horse. Not that I’d want to see any team move but for those of you that think the Bills won’t move because the Pegulas own the Sabres that rule is easily circumvented. Just as Kroenke transfered sole control of the Nuggets and Avalanche to his son, Terry Pegula could cede sole control of the Sabres to one of his children or to Kim Pegula if she divested herself of any interest in the Bills.

  27. streetyson says: Apr 1, 2017 8:11 PM

    As much as logic might suggest Jags, I personally think the LA Chargers experiment will end early. But my “dark horse” is the Titans (simply because the long-running uncertainty of singular strong ownership leaves them exposed to a potential move).

  28. cardinealsfan20 says: Apr 1, 2017 8:22 PM

    “why can’t they build a stadium that lasts longer than 20 years?”

    Stadium life has little to do with structural integrity. It’s the aesthetics and modern aspects of the inside experience. The public’s tastes and technology change rapidly.

    Look closely at any stadium over 20 years old, you will notice the wear and tear.

  29. purplepeople1 says: Apr 1, 2017 8:23 PM

    Team in Toronto coming sooner than later it’s one of the best cities in the wold and Canadian are the best fans. Let’s make it happen

  30. gurnblanstonreturns says: Apr 1, 2017 8:25 PM

    Oh how I wish Danny Snyder would move his dumpster fire somewhere – anywhere. Then, Washington could work with the NFL on getting a pro football organization in the nation’s capital.

  31. skyflyer63 says: Apr 1, 2017 8:26 PM

    It’s not the length of the season ticket waiting list that will keep the Packers in Green Bay. It’s the ability of the Packers to have the Brown county government take public tax payer money money when needed and give it to the Packers so they do not consider moving. Most recently the Brown County public was drained of more than $300 million later over 15 years. The next Lambeau field becomes obsolete the Packers will again get public money from Brown County tax payers. This time it will probably be more the $750 million precedent set by Las Vegas.

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    US Bank Stadium was funded by taxes on the Barneys… actually the commercial tax in the area is the highest in the nation, nice job purples.

  32. President Ackbar says: Apr 1, 2017 8:27 PM

    Toronto Brontos 2023!

  33. skyflyer63 says: Apr 1, 2017 8:27 PM

    Green Bay cannot move, its contracual in the corp bylaws, team would be disbanded and the local VFW gets all profits.

  34. President Ackbar says: Apr 1, 2017 8:28 PM

    San Antonio Snakes 2024!

  35. President Ackbar says: Apr 1, 2017 8:28 PM

    Orlando Orcas 2025!

  36. President Ackbar says: Apr 1, 2017 8:29 PM

    Portland Prowlers 2026!

  37. skyflyer63 says: Apr 1, 2017 8:32 PM

    Ooops my bad…. VFW no longer gets the money…
    It goes to multiple charities.

  38. President Ackbar says: Apr 1, 2017 8:33 PM

    Sacramento Mentos 2027!

    In all seriousness, I do think an NHL team should relocate to the new Kings arena.

    Sacramento Aces Hockey 2018!

  39. tyelee says: Apr 1, 2017 8:34 PM

    I would not be shocked, if the Buccaneers had an option, if they moved…. Often there is as many opposing team fans or more at the games… Many locals are fans of northern teams…

  40. wolfmanpatriot says: Apr 1, 2017 8:36 PM

    Do not count on the Bills or any other team going to Toronto or anywhere else in Canada.
    The NFL would have already expanded into that great country if it was in their best interest.
    The fact is that the owners have rules for their players that are contrary to our constitution and bill of rights.
    They can influence our government into allowing this.
    Drug testing is one small example. It contradicts our right to privacy as well as the basic right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
    Citizens of Canada have a much tighter leash on their governing officials and they would not allow such rules. Same as many countries in Europe.

  41. cheeseisfattening says: Apr 1, 2017 8:50 PM

    Green Bay cannot move, its contracual in the corp bylaws,
    ——————
    Bylaws that are worth as much as an official Green Bay Packer stock certificate. LOL!!!! The team can and will do what it wants. Brown County knows this so it gives the Packers public tax money to keep them happy.

  42. jm91rs says: Apr 1, 2017 8:56 PM

    Marvin Lewis will probably still be looking for his first playoff win in 2026. If that’s the case I’ll get my cdl and drive the moving van out of town.

  43. goooooobrowns says: Apr 1, 2017 8:59 PM

    All I know is that if the Browns ever move again, I’m done with the NFL and so is everyone in my household.

  44. buffalorealist says: Apr 1, 2017 9:04 PM

    Is anyone aware who owns the Bills and how much that person has invested in downtown Buffalo? Not to mention properties he’s has bought downtown to build a stadium. Scratch the Bills off any relocation list morons.

  45. 12444uggg says: Apr 1, 2017 9:05 PM

    I think LA needs at least 3 more teams..

  46. TheBrownswillstinkagain says: Apr 1, 2017 9:05 PM

    Move the Browns permanently and dont let them come back

  47. oldcracker says: Apr 1, 2017 9:08 PM

    I believe Truckstop Jimmy Haslam, along with his Harvard lawyers and bean counters, are using “MONEYBALL” to drive down attendance so they can opt out of their lease and move the Browns to a more accommodating area….say, St. Louis. It would be closer to the hills and ridges of Tennessee. Also, keep in mind that Browns Stadium is about 20 yrs old.

    If the Browns move once again, the Bengals could move to Columbus and market to all of Ohio.

    I just don’t see this carpetbagger making any serious moves to improve the team, and why should he? He has no loyalty to Cleveland, NE Ohio, nor Ohio at all. He certainly has no ties to the fans. He rips off truckers for a living and then throws his staff under the bus. Second, he has no people in the F.O. with any professional football training or experience. They are lawyers and accountants…business men concerned about the “bottom line” only! Oh, and a baseball computer guy. They let veteran talent walk, blow the draft, and spend cap space money on a draft pick. The have demonstrated no intention on improving the team.

  48. mrboado says: Apr 1, 2017 9:13 PM

    With the NFL imposing a $500 million+ relocation fee (in addition to the teams shelling out money to physically move, get into a stadium, re-branding, etc.) moving a team from city A to city B seems like an amazing hassle.

    I get the move to Los Angeles (metro population of about 18 million) and even Las Vegas (under a million population, but 18 million ways to get into trouble).

    Other than that, I don’t see any other viable moves. Overseas? No way. The owners would never vote for that.

    Two reasons: who’s going to pay for the stadium and taxes.

    NFL London usually takes play in Wembley, Twickenham, and eventually the new Northumberland Park. All within a 20 mile radius. Is the NFL London team going to be a nomadic team with no home stadium? That’s a tough buy-in for a team.

    Sure 80, 000 people in attendance is nice, but will that number drop off without a perennial playoff team?

    The NFL took in more than $13Billion in 2015. Most of the that from the almighty TV deals. Adding games in London, considering the time zone difference, creates more of an annoyance than a benefit.

    Secondly, taxes. The players would pay more in taxes and the league would pay more in taxes, plus the additional restrictions of operating a business overseas.

    I say additional moves are a no go.

  49. gmen32 says: Apr 1, 2017 9:14 PM

    purplepeople1 says:
    Apr 1, 2017 8:23 PM
    Team in Toronto coming sooner than later it’s one of the best cities in the wold and Canadian are the best fans. Let’s make it happen

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    Coming sooner than later? There has been talk about the NFL and Toronto for decades. If anything, it is less likely now than ever before. Even the most pro NFL people in Toronto admit this. That tends to happen when there is horrible support for the CFL Argonauts and the Bills in Toronto series was a HUGE embarrassment for the NFL. They don’t tend to like massive ticket giveaways to fill the dome. I’ll put 20 bucks on the later, MUCH LATER!!!

  50. Ashley says: Apr 1, 2017 9:24 PM

    The idea that a multi-million dollar stadium is obsolete in 20 years is completely absurd. I used to live in Cincinnati — moved away shortly before the stadium tax was passed. I was in favor of it at the time, but that’s because I was young and stupid. I know better now.

  51. joetoronto says: Apr 1, 2017 9:26 PM

    Small market teams like the Bengals, Bills and Jags are good as gone.

    Small market teams like the Browns and Packers will stick around at least for the time being.

    People saying these teams won’t move for whatever reason have either never been in business for themselves, or are in complete denial.

    Business is about money and the big money is in the TV contracts, not ticket sales.

  52. cowboy2016 says: Apr 1, 2017 9:28 PM

    Revive the old USFL’s Oklahoma Outlaws. Perfect.

  53. forthegoodofthegame says: Apr 1, 2017 9:28 PM

    Umm……How about the NFL league office moves to LA. Leave all the Jets’ Annex staff in NY though.

  54. intrafinesse says: Apr 1, 2017 9:43 PM

    Probably the Patriots are the next to move.
    They will move to the Meadowlands and the Jets will move to Afghanistan or North Korea.

  55. terpinva says: Apr 1, 2017 9:59 PM

    The Bills aren’t moving. Kim Pegula was born and raised a Bills fan, they spent 395 million more than the previous record sale of an NFL team solely because they felt an obligation to keep the team in Buffalo. Also, yes I know the NFL can circumvent ownership rules but he does own the Sabres and can you imagine them selling more than 50 seats a game if he relocated the Bills? And he’s a huge NHL fan who drives himself to amateur hockey games to scout — so he is going to want to keep an NHL team. Simply put Bills aren’t moving.

  56. davew128 says: Apr 1, 2017 10:03 PM

    binarymath says:
    Apr 1, 2017 7:55 PM

    Portland (25), lost its NBA team to Oklahoma City (41) in a similarly flawed argument about size.
    *******************
    Last time I checked, the Portland Trailblazers are still the Portland Trailblazers.

  57. jackofnotrades says: Apr 1, 2017 10:10 PM

    bring back the houston oilers

  58. zoxitic says: Apr 1, 2017 10:25 PM

    Jacksonville?

    Sure. Fans of these teams predicted Jacksonville will move too:

    St Louis Rams
    San Diego Chargers
    Oakland Raiders

  59. dbonedigdb4584 says: Apr 1, 2017 10:33 PM

    IT does not matter where teams move. Pro Football is a mainstay in America. And, always will be.

  60. nixx88788 says: Apr 1, 2017 10:43 PM

    Claiming that Jacksonville is the next team to move just reminds me how much people love ignorance:

    Research how many millions of dollars owner Shad Khan has personally invested in the city of Jacksonville and Everbank stadium; never mind the fact that Khan has stated over and over again the the Jags aren’t leaving Jacksonville, even since St. Louis, San Diego, and Oakland had teams.

    Jags aren’t leaving

  61. musicallead says: Apr 1, 2017 11:07 PM

    The easiest way to have a team come to a city is to give oodles of money obviously BUT let’s assume that Jacksonville were to move to say Nogales, AZ, a border town. Then how do you keep them from moving away? It’s simple build a wall around that puppy and it’s in the POTUS’s crosshairs so here’s to the wall and the hostage situation that would happen with that move.

  62. cheapseater says: Apr 1, 2017 11:12 PM

    I’ll piggyback the Jacksonville apologists. Khan has dropped $60 million + of his own dollars into stadium upgrades. The lease goes through 2030. He’s making a killing in London. We’ve been bad for so long that we’ve gotta get good at some point. Then the real $$$s will come.

  63. Lou Stools says: Apr 1, 2017 11:17 PM

    Voted against a Stadium for D*ckhead Brown but lost when I lived in Cinci . . . Voted against a Stadium for D*ckhead Spanos and won now that I live in SD. Not sure what is better for collective intelligence: Sun or Time.

  64. kevpft says: Apr 1, 2017 11:31 PM

    These kinds of stories almost always say that *three* teams have moved in recent years, but it’s actually *four* – including the 49ers.

    Sure, they only moved an hour away, but the people of San Francisco no longer have an NFL team and the city of San Francisco has lost all of the financial benefits of having the team in the city.

    I think the league is really underestimating how important the old traditions are to its success. Mess around with the classic NFL narrative too much and people *will* lose interest.

  65. wny49er says: Apr 1, 2017 11:43 PM

    Since the Pegula’s are not in a hurry to build a new stadium, I think Jax or New Orleans would be the most logical teams to move. Jax has no fan base and NO’s can’t play in the Super Dome anymore.

  66. benwaballs11 says: Apr 2, 2017 1:57 AM

    There’s 13 years left on the Browns’ lease. If they move again, I’ll never watch another NFL game.

  67. Bigfoot says: Apr 2, 2017 2:20 AM

    Green Bay

  68. blah773 says: Apr 2, 2017 3:02 AM

    what a ridiculous article and i’m upset at myself for reading it. this is pure speculation about nothing – journalism at its finest. nice work florio.

  69. rugolin says: Apr 2, 2017 4:49 AM

    The question should be asked is what shortlist of cities is the NFL priming to the go to blackmail city that every franchise will threaten to move to to get public money. Los Angeles by being vacant probably scored so much blackmail money from public officials elsewhere that is isn’t even funny. The list of new blackmail cities being germinated by the NFL brass is probably London,Mexico City and San Antonio.

  70. omeimontis says: Apr 2, 2017 5:01 AM

    TV ratings are down. That is the real cash cow. If teams keep moving, it will turn off old fans, while new fans may not come on board so quickly. That could only mean less money for the NFL next time TV contracts are negotiated.

  71. luvnlfe says: Apr 2, 2017 6:21 AM

    The Bills leaving Buffalo makes about as much sense as the Patriots leaving Foxboro or the Jets leaving New Jersey…come on do a little research about the Pegula’s….

  72. ravensbob says: Apr 2, 2017 7:15 AM

    The Maryland Stadium Authority was formed to oversee the development of the Camden Yards project. Once completed they lured an NFL team to Baltimore. Now, they are involved in the continued renovations of both stadiums( Oriole Park-25 years old this season, M&T Bank 19 years old) their sole purpose now is to update the stadiums on a regular basis to make sure that “in the event of a relocation, there would be a turn key operation in place for another incoming team”. While both teams are locally owned, they are not taking any chances that the same thing that happened in March of 84 ever happens again.

  73. beachsidejames says: Apr 2, 2017 7:27 AM

    Fans that supported these teams are being thrown under the bus.

  74. ramfanmatt says: Apr 2, 2017 7:46 AM

    As a St Louisan I hope no teams move. As badly as I want a pro team here, I hope that no other city has to face what we did. These owner’s greed is bound to catch up with them. You can only stick your thumb in the customers eye for so long. There will be a day where customers will turn their attention elsewhere. For a league that generates as much money as they do, they can build their own stadiums. No need for the tax payer to pay to build a stadium, then have to pay to get in the stadium they paid to build.

  75. hollymolley says: Apr 2, 2017 8:02 AM

    In the woods in the center of Pennsylvania, Penn State has a stadium that seats 110,000 and they are in the process of building a new one that will seat substantially more. They play about 10 games a year in that venue. Granted collage isn’t the pros, but folks coming to see a football game ? Great atmosphere lots of fun, easy in, easy out, and yes all major schools do the same thing. Gets you to thinking, doesn’t it ????

  76. jayhawk6 says: Apr 2, 2017 8:18 AM

    At some point, probably sooner rather than later, city fathers will tell the NFL to take a hike. The NFL appears to neglect the layoffs at ESPN, which are probably directly related to falling NFL viewership revenue.

    The ever escalating salary cap and always increasing costs of attending a game live will combine at some point and the Jerry Jones circus will be forced to leave town.

    Too bad, because the man cave business is just starting to take off.

  77. thejesusofcool says: Apr 2, 2017 8:21 AM

    Raiders in 5 years.

  78. NFLexpert says: Apr 2, 2017 8:31 AM

    Move the Cardinals back to St. Louis. A move that would be great for the NFL, and for the great fans of the Midwest…

  79. getitrightflorio says: Apr 2, 2017 8:33 AM

    The Dolphins should have been the team to move they have zero fan base in Miami.

  80. coloradofort says: Apr 2, 2017 9:21 AM

    I think the NFL will learn a lesson about their fan base starting with the Chargers move to LA……you cannot simply take your fan base for granted by this type of extortion.

  81. completefan says: Apr 2, 2017 9:32 AM

    Toronto does not support football.

  82. kemp13 says: Apr 2, 2017 9:49 AM

    Reel estate?

  83. kemp13 says: Apr 2, 2017 9:51 AM

    NFLexpert says:
    Apr 2, 2017 8:31 AM
    Move the Cardinals back to St. Louis. A move that would be great for the NFL, and for the great fans of the Midwest…

    Right. St. Louis as lost not one but TWO franchises in the recent past, one of which (the Cardinals) who had been there for many years. The Midwest’s best bet is to get on the wait list for Chiefs tickets.

  84. backoverflip says: Apr 2, 2017 10:19 AM

    cant believe so many are sideing with the owners here there greedy and thats it anytime they see an opoportunity to make more money they jump on it i dont know about the situation in oakland but i know the chargers werein san diego for 56 years and now have our team ripped from us because dean spanos thinks la is a bigger market and gets a new stadiumwell theres already a team is la and notoriously la has not supported teams.alls i can say is screw the nfl if this i s the way they think is the way to treat there fans i say screw em.they could give arats ass about the city who supported them for 56 years no the owner wants more money so screw san diego

  85. lambeauwest says: Apr 2, 2017 10:34 AM

    GB
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    With 84,000 people on the season ticket waiting list?? Riiiiight!
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    It’s not the length of the season ticket waiting list that will keep the Packers in Green Bay. It’s the ability of the Packers to have the Brown county government take public tax payer money money when needed and give it to the Packers so they do not consider moving. Most recently the Brown County public was drained of more than $300 million later over 15 years. The next Lambeau field becomes obsolete the Packers will again get public money from Brown County tax payers. This time it will probably be more the $750 million precedent set by Las Vegas.

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    GB is a different animal. It’s not owned by a greedy owner. GB will never be a domed stadium so any future rebuild would not be as expansive as a Jerry’s world or Humpty dome.

    The fact that Brown Cty taxpayers help fund a team that has given back more than 2 fold what it took in was a win/win situation Don’t forget the sale of Packer stock as a revenue source.

  86. badmoonrison says: Apr 2, 2017 10:38 AM

    No one will be moving for a long time.

  87. lambeauwest says: Apr 2, 2017 10:42 AM

    We saw this year for the first time NFL ratings starting to go south. There are die-hards like there are for the NHL that you can’t do anything to lose their support.

    The NFLs success is based on interest of the casual fan who are increasingly not allowing their sons play pee-wee or high school football. Fantasy football and gambling have propped up interest. And in fairness any team can be competitive within a few years because of the salary cap and draft process.

    I just think the NFL’s neglect of the fan is beginning to show. You piss off too many fans with these blackmail moves and eventually you start losing the TV interest, TV money, advertisers, etc… You start moving teams outside of the US, especially to Europe and you’re essentially doing what our corporations have been doing which is shipping jobs out of the USA. That is a marketing disaster….

  88. backoverflip says: Apr 2, 2017 10:53 AM

    not one owner in footbal l is loseing money just remember tha
    t before u support there greed

  89. ogawdwhereami says: Apr 2, 2017 10:54 AM

    Move the 49ers back to San Francisco.

  90. jeffreyshulenburg says: Apr 2, 2017 11:14 AM

    “why can’t they build a stadium that lasts longer than 20 years?”

    Stadium life has little to do with structural integrity. It’s the aesthetics and modern aspects of the inside experience. The public’s tastes and technology change rapidly.

    Look closely at any stadium over 20 years old, you will notice the wear and tear.

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    This is also a flawed argument. The stadium itself is just bones. A concrete structure to support the field and bleachers. You are arguing about the skin, but a modern NFL stadium can be reskinned for half the cost of building a new stadium.

    As a fan in Buffalo, im kinda hoping that this is what happens. The city and Pegula family come to an agreement to spend $600 mil to tear New Era down to the bones, reskin it and add a partial roof over the stands. This saves (based on the last 3 stadiums) around $1.5 billion, the NFL gets its upgrade, the city and owners dont have to pay as much and the fans still get the experience they want.

    As for the Bills stadium situation itself, I dont see the team moving any time soon. The Pegulas arent the richest NFL owners, but they still have money to throw around. Combine this with the fact that, despite being stingy, western NY has shown willingness to commit at least SOME money to the project. And the Pegula family is HEAVILY invested in the Buffalo NY area.

    Its a unique situation that not many fans outside Buffalo understand. These are owners who would rather stay put than make more money elsewhere because the team is profitable where it is and they love the area(The Bills make $30 million in profit per season despite the NFLs lowest ticket prices and a 45 year old stadium in a tiny market).

  91. maust1013 says: Apr 2, 2017 11:22 AM

    luvnlfe says:
    Apr 2, 2017 6:21 AM
    The Bills leaving Buffalo makes about as much sense as the Patriots leaving Foxboro or the Jets leaving New Jersey…come on do a little research about the Pegula’s…
    ========================

    Do a little research on billionaire NFL owners. Kroenke, a native son of Missouri, was and still is heavily invested in St Louis but he couldn’t get out of there fast enough. Stop thinking like a fan, business is business. The Pats and Jets are among the least likely to move. The teams that own, not lease, their stadiums are the least likely to move. The Jets and Giants are co-owners of MetLife, likewise the Patriots, Panthers, Redskins, Cowboys, Dolphins and Panthers own their facilities meaning they aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. That group will soon be joined by the Rams. After them the teams in huge markets that are raking it in are the least likely candidates. From there you can work your way down based on the only criteria$ that really matter: money and how ironclad a team’s current lease terms are and the cost to get out of it. When looked at objectively the Bills, Jags and Saints are all smaller markets teams with facilities that are inadequate.

  92. ajc7nfl says: Apr 2, 2017 1:14 PM

    I don’t understand why any NFL stadium built in the last 20 years will need to be replaced any time soon. They’re solidly built and they’re full of luxury boxes and club seat areas. They all generate a lot of income for their owners. If Fenway Park can still host 81 games a year, why can’t these new stadiums last at least 100 years too.

  93. nb45105 says: Apr 2, 2017 1:54 PM

    The next team to move will be the chargers in 10-15 years followed by the rams

  94. brownieinec says: Apr 2, 2017 2:23 PM

    Wake me up when the Bills move and I’ll try to care. (not really)

  95. eroschmidt says: Apr 2, 2017 2:29 PM

    Buffalo isn’t moving. The new Bills owners, The Pegulas, have roots in WNY. They are the 5th richest NFL owners at $4+ Billion. They are on the Fortune 400 list. They own the Buffalo Sabres and built a high rise Marriot hotel and hockey complex that connect to the arena. They just bought their 3rd property adjacent to the arena last week. It is starting to get obvious that a new indoor stadium will be built when the current Bills lease expires in 2023. The whole complex will be connected to the $2 Billion + of development that is currently underway on Buffalo’s waterfront. Seriously, anybody that has never been to Buffalo or hasn’t been there recently should take a weekend and check it out while seeing nearby Niagara Falls. I am confident you will be pleasantly surprised. Not during winter though…

    Finally, I would like to point out the Buffalo is a regional team and not just Buffalo Metro. Buffalo Metro is 50th is population. However, 15% of The Bills 60,000 season ticket holders are from Rochester – which is 75 mikes away and 51st in Metro population. Also, 20% of the Bills season ticket holders are from Southern Ontario with a Metro population of over 7 million. Toronto is a 2 hour drive. We tailgate with a bunch of Canadian friends – they did not enjoy the one game a year in Toronto nearly as much as taking the short trip to Orchard Park for the leagues best tailgating and fans. Look for a new, 65,000 seat stadium in downtown Buffalo in about 7-8 years with little public money.

  96. willielumpum says: Apr 2, 2017 2:30 PM

    The Chicago Bears will relocate to Cedar Rapids.
    Kingston Stadium, the 70-year old, 8,000 seat high school facility, would be the perfect venue for them.

  97. cheeseisfattening says: Apr 2, 2017 2:58 PM

    The fact that Brown Cty taxpayers help fund a team that has given back more than 2 fold what it took in was a win/win situation
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    So when Brown County residents pay taxes to help the Packers its a win/win but when other location’s residents pay taxes that go to support their local team its a greedy owner taking advantage of the public. Right!

  98. buzzsaw716 says: Apr 2, 2017 3:35 PM

    Terry Pegula stated last week that the Bills are not even thinking about a new stadium at this point and will not consider it until after they have started putting a winning product on the field. He has reiterated that the county has recently put $150million into the Ralph and that the stadium has plenty of useful life left in it.
    Bottom line is Pegulas are committed to Buffalo and the Bills are going nowhere. At some point a new stadium will become a priority and the State of NY is not going to let the only NFL team in NY leave.

  99. david121957 says: Apr 2, 2017 4:26 PM

    At some point in the not too distant future(20 – 50 years) the NFL will no longer exist. It will go the way of Polo.

    Earlier in History the game of Polo was played on various fields throughout the world. Then it became to expensive to (1) keep the fields; (2) keep the ponies et cetera et cetera.

    The NFL will reach that point sometime in the next 20 to 50 years. It will be too expensive to maintain large stadiums that no one goes to anymore and it will also be too expensive even for billionaires to field a team even in the most lucrative markets of the world.

    The baby boomers will be dying off and there will be fewer and fewer who are able to afford the ticket prices necessary for the BUSINESS of football to maintain the large stadiums and excessive payrolls. So when fewer people go to the games, but you still have to meet your payroll you must raise prices which in turn will decrease the number of potential ticket buyers. Its an economic fact that the NFL will not be able to continue as it is today.

    Maybe it will be the WFL (World Football League) with teams like the London Knights, Dubai Dragons, Tokyo Titans, New York Giants. However, even then it will still become the game of Kings, just like Polo once was, and then will peter out.

    Today’s and tomorrow’s wealthy will have many other interests outside of the NFL. They will not need to go to the stadiums but will be able to watch holographic games in their own living room at the time of their own choosing.

    That said, this article should not be titled who will be the next time to move but who will be the next team to withdraw from the league?

  100. zmvb23a says: Apr 2, 2017 5:04 PM

    I look for Houston to start making noise in the next few years about a stadium upgrade. I am vehemently opposed to using public money for pro sports franchises. They are artificially inflated value wise now BECAUSE of free funding for their stadiums and sweet hear deal. Once the Oilers left after the city ponied up to upgrade the Astrodome and then only a few years later Bud was asking for a new stadium, I shut down my care factor. The Texans are the bastard NFL franchise in Houston that most my age will or can never fully support. They just don’t have the hearts of most Houstonians. I pull for them because they are from Houston, but my day is never ruined because they are perpetually mediocre (9-7 IS the bar). When the Oilers failed or succeeded, it could change my outlook on alot of things for the week. Caring was pretty cool. Now? meh…I’d rather do without sports than subsidize these teams. That goes for ALL sports, basketball and baseball (don’t even bother to mention anything else, it is a waste of space).

  101. controlaltdeletedeletedelete says: Apr 2, 2017 8:50 PM

    Wow, still can’t get the Bills thing right, can ya?

  102. sirdrinksalot says: Apr 2, 2017 8:51 PM

    I can’t believe there are people in this world that are dumb enough to think the Bills are still a possibility to relocate. Research is your friend. Please don’t be dumb all of your lives.

  103. RegisHawk says: Apr 3, 2017 6:31 AM

    I think after about 10 more years of suckage, the city of Santa Clara will cast their team outside the walls to wail and gnash their teeth.

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