Report: Packers’ coaches “incensed” Ted Thompson let T.J. Lang walk

AP

When the Packers decided not to out-bid the Lions for veteran guard T.J. Lang last month, it was business as usual: The Packers don’t overspend in free agency, and when a soon-to-be 30-year-old guard with a hip injury hits free agency, that’s the type of player you’d expect to leave Green Bay.

Nonetheless, it apparently didn’t sit well with Green Bay’s coaching staff.

According to Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the Packers’ coaches were incensed that G.M. Ted Thompson let Lang get away in free agency. McGinn suggests that longtime Packers offensive line coach James Campen was working hard to keep Lang and was particularly upset when the Packers didn’t keep him.

If that’s true, it’s not unusual: Coaches are loyal to the guys who have worked hard for them. Lang has worked hard for Campen for eight years. They had a good relationship. No coach wants to see a favorite player leave.

McGinn, however, drops that nugget into a larger piece suggesting the Packers are cheap, and Thompson’s frugal approach is hurting the team on the field. McGinn notes that the Packers carried over nearly $8 million in cap space from 2016 to 2017 as apparent evidence of Thompson’s excessive frugality, but in reality that’s nothing out of the ordinary. According to NFLPA records, the Packers carried over $7.98 million in cap space, while the average NFL team carried over $9.18 million in cap space. In other words, not only was Thompson not overly frugal in his handling of the salary cap last year, but he was actually less frugal than average.

McGinn also notes that over the last six years, the Packers have always ranked somewhere between seventh and 18th in the NFL in the amount of cap space they carried over from one year to the next. So the Packers are actually closer to the middle of the league in terms of carrying over cap space than they are extremely frugal.

And, of course, the Packers have made the playoffs eight years in a row. Thompson’s cautious approach to cap management is designed to keep the team in contention year after year, rather than having some boom years when they spend big on free agency, followed by some bust years when they have to cut key players just to get under the cap. It’s hard to deny that it’s working as planned.

It’s possible that Lang will play great for the Lions, that the Packers’ offensive line will decline without him, and that a year from now we’ll all be saying that Thompson made a mistake not spending the money it would have taken to keep Lang. But even if it turns out that the coaches are right to be incensed about Lang, that doesn’t mean Thompson’s thinking was flawed.

144 responses to “Report: Packers’ coaches “incensed” Ted Thompson let T.J. Lang walk

  1. Even I want to criticize GM’s for letting guys walk, but having observed the NFL for years, it does appear that the better teams rarely ever overspend, and have little problem letting guys walk for bigger paydays.

  2. If Ted Thompson puts another Lombardi in the Lambeau field trophy case some time soon, he may very well wind up in the HoF, and deservedly so.

    Campen? I don’t think you’ll find him on a mount rushmore of coaches any time soon.

  3. Ted analyses every key personnel decision very thoroughly. It is too early to say if he made a good or bad decision by not overpaying for TJ. Bill Belichick makes decisions like this to let key players walk about every year and he is considered a genius.

  4. “In other words, not only was Thompson overly frugal …”

    You’re missing a word in that sentence. You should put the word “not” in front of “overly” since your point is that Thompson was not being overly frugal.

  5. The defense has had three good years under Thompson : 2008 nfc championship game 2010 super bowl and 2014 nfc championship game choke job..

    You would think TT would realize this : All these 3 teams had two common factors they could rush the passer and had an above average secondary

    Instead they have slow linebackers, no pass rush and well cornerbacks that cant cover :

    Granted shields was out of tt control but letting Hayward wasn’t. He does have stud safeties

    Layoff capers with the garbage TT has given him to work with the man has done a great job.

    This defense is not getting better any day soon so well if Rodgers can put up 50 a game they got a shot . Doesn’t matter who the defensive coordinator is

  6. This will be a non issue if they can land Forrest Lamp in round 1. Younger, healthier, more athletic, cheaper, and could be fantastic day 1 in the same vein as a Zack Martin or Cody Whitehair.

  7. Therealtrenches, the Packers are a team in decline so doubt very much that there’s a Lombardi trophy in the near future.

  8. Sometimes people neglect to factor in the Compensatory Draft Pick when evaluating a decision like this. It isn’t just that Lang would have cost 9 million per year or so, a lot for a player at age 30 with an extensive injury history. It’s 9 million per year plus a 4th round pick the team wouldn’t be receiving if they kept him. It’s not just the money. I am not saying it was a good move or not, but you have to look at the overall picture and all the factors that play a part.

  9. This is no big deal. Ted Thompson was probably “incensed” too, that he had to let Lang walk. I don’t blame the O-Line coach either. It takes a while to put together a unit, and the O-Line has to work together as a unit. Any O-Line coach that’s been around for a while knows they’re going to have to be prepared for guys leaving. This goes on inside every team’s headquarters. I like to see coaches sticking up for their guys.

  10. I wonder how TT would be doing if it weren’t for Aaron Rodgers.

    He’d have been fired long ago.

    Fired, that is, if Mark Murphy had the balls to do so.

  11. I enjoy reading McGinn since he has relationships with scouts across the US and brings unique perspective. He also tells it like he sees it. But I will say he has been overly critical of TT as if Ted knocked over his mailbox and didn’t apologize. McGinn has to be thinking of retirement soon and appears to be getting bolder and bolder with his commentary over the past season or two. If I’m Campen or another Packers coach I think twice about picking up the phone and returning Bob’s call.

  12. Huge Viking fan here. I sure wish Slick Rick had half the smarts of TT. He likes to pretend he is TT’s equal but we all know that all of barney nation suffers from wee wee envy of the great Green Bay Packers and their equally great fans. I’m so ashamed………

  13. Only the Packers and Patriots have been in the playoffs every season the last eight years. The big difference is that the Patriots have Belichick, not McCarthy.

  14. @cribbage12 – McGinn claims to have relationships with scouts across the US. Key word being claims. McGinn has never named a single source, not one, ever. I agree with you, no GB coach should ever speak with McGinn.

  15. The Packers are about 20mil under the cap. Detroit gave him a market contract, nothing crazy. Lang may have even taken a little less to stay too. But he goes to a division rival. Guards can play into their 30’s. I don’t know about his hip, or if they have a young guy they like, but the coaches may have a point.

  16. Bringing in Charles Woodson made a difference. You sometimes have to get key players and He was one of them.

    It’s been apparent that he has overlooked the OL for the past few years and Rodgers has assisted in covering up some of those flaws.

    Ultimately, it looks like he’s wasting prime Rodgers years. Green Bay is rather remote so you either have to get players that want to win or pay above market rate for them. Hopefully they don’t miss Lang and it turns out to be a prudent move.

  17. Bob McGinn is just like a typical Viking troll. He pulls stuff out of thin air. When there is no need for concern, he throws stones in calm ponds just to get a reaction. No other reason It makes him feel better about himself. Boy, does that sound familiar or what?

  18. Let’s be real here. The only reason GB and NE are the only teams to make the playoffs in the past 8 years is because they both play in divisions with horrible teams, and they both have 2 of the best QB’s to have ever played the position. I realize NE made it one year when Brady ripped his knee apart, but, that goes back to my theory that the other teams in the division are garbage

  19. This article is wrong on two fronts:
    1) Lang is NOT the kind of pending FA that the Packers let go to FA. The Packers are notorious for not bringing in outside players, but they actually work VERY hard to retain their own worthwhile talent. Lang is typically the type of player they retain.

    2) Noting that the Packers are annually in the middle of the Packer in carried over money does NOT mean they aren’t somewhat “cheap”. The VAST majority of NFL teams are not true contenders literally every year as GB has been (and will continue to be just by having an in-his-prime Rodgers around), and contending teams naturally have to stretch the cap to retain their talent. As teams win, players want more money, and it can be hard to avoid butting against the cap ceiling when contending for a long time (as seen in Pittsburgh). GB has yet to have a short “reset” period in which it opened up its cap situation, so the fact that it has as much free space as it typically does indicates that it DOES hold spending back (though I wouldn’t call it cheap).

  20. Lots of people complained when Sitton was let go. Sitton was a clubhose cancer, TT usually does the right thing.

  21. Being frugal with the cap is all well and good…but they’ve made the playoffs for 8 straight years because of Aaron Rodgers…and the reason they’ve been to one Super Bowl during that stretch, is because they haven’t assembled a good enough team around Rodgers. Maybe paying some deserving veterans would make the difference there. Seems like the Packers are always trying to replace the guys they just allowed to walk away, and by the time they’ve replaced those guys, they’re trying to replace the next group of guys they let walk away.

  22. Ted would have had to pay Lang more guaranteed then he paid David Bakhtiari the team’s LT. You don’t pay a RG more then a team’s LT who you just signed a few months before.

  23. How can the packer coaches be upset? All the packer fans on this site told us that the player was no good. They said the team didn’t want him. They said the entire organization was behind this move.

    How could they have been wrong?

  24. I don’t believe this report for a second. Land wasn’t the player he was nor was he worth the money. This is the exact time you let a player go. The player they should be mad about is Tretter who is ready to be a top starter in the league and signed for a very reasonable contract with the Browns. Tretter will be the better player and come with less risk.

  25. GenXjay, as so many of the Barney nation are very familiar with the word “incest” solely due to it being printed on their birth certificate in the box that asks for origin of birth.

  26. pjay65 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 1:05 PM
    Let’s be real here. The only reason GB and NE are the only teams to make the playoffs in the past 8 years is because they both play in divisions with horrible teams, and they both have 2 of the best QB’s to have ever played the position. I realize NE made it one year when Brady ripped his knee apart, but, that goes back to my theory that the other teams in the division are garbage

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    Intesesting argument suggesting the teams within their division are the reason they beat all the teams outside their division. Especially the Patriots, when a team goes 14-2 and wins the superbowl they are not just beating their division, they are beating the entire NFL.

  27. “It’s been apparent that he (TT) has overlooked the offensive line for the past few years”

    Actually, it is not apparent at all to anyone who has watched the games or bothers to review offensive line statistics. The Packers line has been stable and highly ranked for the past few years.

  28. Thompson is certainly shrewd when it comes to blowing money on free agents. But when he finds a healthy one who will plug a needed hole, he should pay the price.
    The reason: the Packers have no place else to spend the money that’s saved – it’s not going back into an owner’s pocket as with other teams.

  29. I read the article. It speaks to the Packers fiscal health and some moves that Bob McGinn seems to disagreewith. So its clear the McGinn is incensed but nowhere does it say the coaches are.

    It does jump out that the Packers are not under the cap by any questionable margin. That i dicates the Packers arent cheap, thry just believe in spreading the mobey out to have more overall talent on the roster rather than going big for a few key players. Another team that goes by that approach (and gets unfairly called ‘cheap’ for it) is the Patriots. But it does seem to be working out ok despite all the armchair critics not liking it.

  30. pjay65 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 1:05 PM
    Let’s be real here. The only reason GB and NE are the only teams to make the playoffs in the past 8 years is because they both play in divisions with horrible teams, and they both have 2 of the best QB’s to have ever played the position. I realize NE made it one year when Brady ripped his knee apart, but, that goes back to my theory that the other teams in the division are garbage

    The Pats missed the playoffs the year Brady was injured. And how do you explain the. Pats having a better winning % outside their division?

  31. Apr 23, 2017 1:43 PM
    pjay65 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 1:05 PM
    Let’s be real here. The only reason GB and NE are the only teams to make the playoffs in the past 8 years is because they both play in divisions with horrible teams, and they both have 2 of the best QB’s to have ever played the position. I realize NE made it one year when Brady ripped his knee apart, but, that goes back to my theory that the other teams in the division are garbage

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    The year Brady tore up his knee the Pats missed the playoffs. And tell us, which divisions have been consistently stacked over the last 8 years?

  32. I would have loved to have seen Rodgers on a team with competent coaching and management. What a tragic waste of one of the most talented QBs in league history. The day he hangs em up, the Packers will immediately drift into oblivion hoping for 4 win seasons.

  33. Aaron Rodgers doesn’t need great offensive linemen. If you look closely at replays the GB line get away with a handful of holding penalties each game that aren’t called and on top of that the referee’s have Rodgers back. TT ia a genius.

  34. dawoger says:
    Apr 23, 2017 12:29 PM

    Huge Viking fan here. I sure wish Slick Rick had half the smarts of TT. He likes to pretend he is TT’s equal but we all know that all of barney nation suffers from wee wee envy of the great Green Bay Packers and their equally great fans. I’m so ashamed………

    …………
    Wow! One negative article about the Packers and this guy jumps ship. Talk about your fairweather fans.

  35. Intelligent NFL/Packer fans know Ted Thompson is the most overrated GM in the NFL.

    Anyone & I repeat ANYONE with the slightest amount of Football Knowledge can get to the playoffs when Brett Favre & Aaron Rodgers are behind center.

    He is a strange, aloof, Bizarre thinking man who actual draft record isn’t nearly as good as the media makes it out to be.

    He sits on tons of space for no reason & he will NOT do what it takes to make his team Elite even though there is a First Ballot HoF QB behind center.

    The fact Capers still has a job is proof of how horrible a GM he is.

  36. Please don’t compare Packers to Pats, Thompson to Belichick, or Rodgers to Brady. Pats/Belichick/Brady DOMINATE the NFL, Packers , not so much

  37. broncosgreatestfan says:
    Apr 23, 2017 1:21 PM

    Typical right-wing cheap skate pos.
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    I’m sure there is plenty of people, like myself, who think very little of you. Selfish, entitled keyboard tough guy. Eunuch also come to mind.

  38. Every GM needs to carry some cap space during the season in order to sign players that replace players on IR.

    Packers make it to the playoffs every year because of Aaron Rodgers and lose in the playoffs due to the coaching staff.

  39. the packers making the playoffs 8 yrs in a row has everything to do with rodgers and nothing to do with TT (except when he drafted rodgers). If rodgers had been a bust GB would be one of the worst teams in the NFL

  40. Not an NFC fan, but TT was prob correct in letting Lang go. The observation I have with TT, he doesn’t seem to realize you can’t just rely on the draft (like the Ravens in the AFC). That only works if you hit big on almost every pick, you have to supplement/enhance your roster with judicial free agency spending.

  41. redsoxu571 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 1:11 PM
    This article is wrong on two fronts:
    1) Lang is NOT the kind of pending FA that the Packers let go to FA. The Packers are notorious for not bringing in outside players, but they actually work VERY hard to retain their own worthwhile talent. Lang is typically the type of player they retain.

    2) Noting that the Packers are annually in the middle of the Packer in carried over money does NOT mean they aren’t somewhat “cheap”. The VAST majority of NFL teams are not true contenders literally every year as GB has been (and will continue to be just by having an in-his-prime Rodgers around), and contending teams naturally have to stretch the cap to retain their talent. As teams win, players want more money, and it can be hard to avoid butting against the cap ceiling when contending for a long time (as seen in Pittsburgh). GB has yet to have a short “reset” period in which it opened up its cap situation, so the fact that it has as much free space as it typically does indicates that it DOES hold spending back (though I wouldn’t call it cheap).

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    3. Guard is a position that they they will not spend money on since TT arrived. Lang is a player they would like to keep but the position he plays is viewed as a position that they are able to develop a cheaper replacement without losing as much production, as opposed to a position like Tackle, which they will throw money at because there is more demand for the talent at that position. Lang will be missed and I wish they made an exception but I understand the logic.

  42. 250dollarnflowner says:
    Apr 23, 2017 2:43 PM
    the packers making the playoffs 8 yrs in a row has everything to do with rodgers and nothing to do with TT (except when he drafted rodgers). If rodgers had been a bust GB would be one of the worst teams in the NFL
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    Without Rodgers the Packers would be…………like the Vikings?

  43. 60for90 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 2:13 PM
    Aaron Rodgers doesn’t need great offensive linemen. If you look closely at replays the GB line get away with a handful of holding penalties each game that aren’t called and on top of that the referee’s have Rodgers back. TT ia a genius.
    —————-
    OK, but as Rogers get a little older (slower), you’ll see how much a Great Offensive line extends their careers (see Brady), how a average one wears them out (see Rivers or Brees), and before you stat happy folks chime in, wins are the only thing that actually matter in a sport…

  44. Unfortunately, Bob McGinn is but a shell of his former self and is turning into a bitter old man. He is turning his writing into overly critical diatribes against the team that fills his wallet. Perhaps the new owners of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel are instructing their sportswriters to find things wrong rather than to report the news of the Pack. Maybe he’ll find a home here.

  45. Thompson is the sole reason why GB will never make it back to a SB as long as he is the GM.
    The man is stuck in the 1970’s when building a team….sad!!!
    Mediocrity man!!

  46. Thompson will waste away another HOF quarterback’s career by this idiotic belief of his.
    This is NOT the 70’s, he needs to take a lesson from the Patriots on how to build a team and HOW TO WIN.
    This clown needs to go, and go NOW!

  47. For those PFT readers outside the immediate Wisconsin area, just know the author of this story (Bob McGinn) has fancied himself the TMZ of the Packer press. He has been known to take small tid bits of information and blow them up much bigger than they ever were in real life.

    Think about your own workplace environment, take a small disagreement among co-workers and then repeat the story making it seem like the two were in an out out brawl, that’s Bob McGinn’s sytle.

  48. McGinn has ridiculous comments. A few years ago the pack started slow he interviewed his list of NFL executives and scouts that he couldn’t name. the article was really negative and an argument was made the pack was 8 and 8 team at best and not destined for the playoffs – or at least unlikely. The pack not only made the playoffs, they did quite well in the playoffs. McGinn seems to want to stir the pot to get people to read his articles. I’ve tired of his writing and mostly avoid it. I will admit he does provide details, but the negative spin makes it not worth my time.

    I’d suggest another NFL team, preferably any of the other 3 NFC north teams beside GB hire him as their GM. I think he and Matt Millen would have a lot to compare after a few years…

  49. exinsidetrader says:
    Apr 23, 2017 12:06 PM
    Best QB in the league for this long and only one title? Pffft, Green Bay spends under the Cap and it has cost them titles.

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    Top 3

  50. Don’t believe a word of it. It’s no secret Bob McGinn hates Ted Thompson and he constantly quotes unnamed sources to back up the stuff he writes.
    Sure — the coaches would have loved to seen the Packers keep Lang. Why not? He’s a great guy and an excellent guard. But any coach in the NFL who doesn’t realize any player could be gone at any time should go do something else. And if they’re any good, they’ll take it as a challenge to get the next man up to be as good as the guy who left.
    McGinn should be a gossip columnist for one of those supermarket tabloids. He long ago stopped being a good sports writer.
    McGinn is also the #1 Monday Morning QB. He is great at writing how bad Ted Thompson was at something long after Thompson did it. If you are a serious Packers fan, you know that McGinn lost all his credibility a long time ago.

  51. pw1265 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 3:33 PM
    Thompson is the sole reason why GB will never make it back to a SB as long as he is the GM.
    The man is stuck in the 1970’s when building a team….sad!!!
    Mediocrity man!!

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    Happily enough hes not the most wasted qb in all of football. That honor hangs with Luck.

  52. pw1265 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 3:40 PM
    Thompson will waste away another HOF quarterback’s career by this idiotic belief of his.
    This is NOT the 70’s, he needs to take a lesson from the Patriots on how to build a team and HOW TO WIN.
    This clown needs to go, and go NOW!

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  53. It’s interesting that so many believe that the sole reason for the Packers’ success is Aaron Rodgers.
    Though he obviously plays a big part, there’s more to it than this simpleminded reasoning.

    If QB play is the only factor, why doesn’t Drew Brees have the Saints in the postseason every year.
    Statistically he’s at, or near the top as far as passing goes.

    And I always thought Rodgers was in steep decline anyways.
    At least that’s what the Barneys have been shoving down everyone’s throats the last few years. skoLOL!

    The silliest comment that I really have to laugh at is the inevitable “If you take Rodgers off that team the Packers wouldn’t win a game!”
    Seriously dumb.
    Do you honestly think if Ted Thompson had not drafted Aaron Rodgers he wouldn’t have addressed the QB position in some other fashion?
    In fact, the makeup of this entire team may have been quite different.

    Listen, I would have loved to retain Lang.
    He was a pro, had a ton of heart and gave everything had had to Green Bay.
    But, the truth of the matter is the Packers recently invested heavily locking up their LT for the future.
    And there’s only so much money to go around to each position group.
    Ted always tries to err on the side of caution and more often than not he’s right.
    It’s not sexy or glamorous, but it’s the recipe for winning football.

    The O-Line will be just fine.
    They’ve got a couple of options on the roster now, coupled with the investment of a 2nd round pick in Spriggs, they’ll beef up that position.
    Oh wow, I almost forget, there’s also a draft coming in 4 days.
    But Hey, thanks for everyone’s concern.

  54. We’re all “incensed” at our Packers. They always break our hearts and let us down. A lot. And hard.

  55. Lang was a true warrior and I wish they had kept him.
    But most likely they’ll find a capable replacement in round 4 or 5 and no one will be talking about this in six months.

  56. trainwrecksryan says:
    Apr 23, 2017 2:30 PM
    What do all the cute little make-believe “owners” have to say.
    *************************************************
    Here’s what I say.
    NO WAY was Lang worth the contract the Lions gave him. I back 100% Ted for being miserly with the Packers checkbook. There was no reason to give a player like Lang almost $30 million. He’s all banged up and I doubt he makes it through his contract. A good GM knows when to let aging players go and bring in fresh talent. And keep the salary cap safe for future contracts. Deals like this one come back to bite hard.

  57. Frazier28/7 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 4:02 PM
    Packer apologists never cease to amaze.
    ——————–
    Packer fans have nothing to apologize for.
    In fact, most of us enjoy and appreciate the amount of success the team has sustained.

    I imagine most Barney fans should be on their knees groveling to explain their team’s 56 years of mediocre/bad football.
    Amazing!

  58. Packers have salary cap burnning pockets in other peoples pants.

    There is a difference between spending money and spending it smart.

    Throwing several millions dollars at a defender like Revis is going to fix GBs defense, or improve it all that much.

  59. nyneal says:
    Apr 23, 2017 4:04 PM
    Don’t believe a word of it. It’s no secret Bob McGinn hates Ted Thompson
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    This statement is 100% true. McGinn has a longtime feud with Ted. It goes back to the Bret Favre fiasco in 2007.
    If I’m not mistaken I believe McGinn was barred from the locker room for a year for false reporting.
    Like another commenter said, McGinn sensationalizes trivial player transaction reports into mountains. He should write for soap operas.

  60. Packer fan. Ted let Lang walk without a replacement. He is good at keeping the Packers competitive but much of that is because of AR who fell to him. He thinks he can solve every roster problem through the draft. He has at least 5 to solve in this draft. Expecting to get 5 desperately needed starters this year in the draft? I doubt it. This is why the Packers will continue to be close and no cigars.

  61. The average of carryover is pushed upwards by the outliers like the Brown’s carrying like 40 or 50 million or whatever.

    If you look at the average of contenders, they probably are above average

  62. The big difference is that the Patriots have Belichick, not McCarthy.
    —————————–
    More to the point, the Patriots have Belichick instead of both McCarthy AND Thompson. Belichick is the best GM in the league as well as best coach.

    But the business about the Pack being cheap is crap just as with the Pats or any other team. They all have to spend the cap over a period of years, you can’t keep carrying increasing amounts over. Some just spend smarter and Thompson is certainly above average in that department.

  63. Careers become valued when players flee Green Bay after they are asked to play for less than market value for the arrogant perceived privilege of playing in Green Bay.
    (Paraphrasing TJ Lang)

    Now coaches are saying the same thing. That is going to be quite the locker room this upcoming season.

  64. The Packers do not sign their own free agents because TT expects they should sign for less than market value for the arrogant privilege of playing in Green Bay. TJ Lang’s words, not mine.

    Free agents don’t want to sign with the Packers because they do not want to live in Green Bay. Charles Woodson’s words not mine.

    All Packers who are ex Packers are garbage. Packer fans words, not mine. They always say on here Rick Spielman dumpster dives in Lambeau field’s dumpster to sign ex Packers. Who put those ex Packers in the proverbial dumpster? Cheeseheads!

  65. cheeseisfattening says:
    Apr 23, 2017 6:00 PM
    Careers become valued when players flee Green Bay after they are asked to play for less than market value for the arrogant perceived privilege of playing in Green Bay.
    (Paraphrasing TJ Lang)
    ____________

    What one team offers an FA isn’t market value… it’s value to that team. While Lang is a great leader… players that get to that age on the OL play fewer games. Guard is also an easier position than other lain the OLine to replace.

  66. FIRST, Packers are NOT a ‘draft and develop’ team–Thompson has LOST 29 of the 46 picks he’s made since the 2011 season, that’s MORE THAN HALF the picks! He’s a BARGAIN BASEMENT CHEAP team builder–most of his teams are based on rookies/1st year players who are GONE by end of those first contracts while Thompson tries to cultivate just enough quality players that COST MONEY, to win their division. Packers qualify each year with DIVISION wins, not because they are better teams. Aaron Rodgers gets’em to playoffs, DUMB Capers defense BEATS THEM! REALITY: Capers defense over past SIX consecutive playoff runs have given up MORE: points, total yds, pass yds and run yds–that’s the reality of a LOSER. His defenses have given up: the MOST points, SECOND most points and THIRD most points than ANY Packers playoff team in history–NO team can win SB’s with defenses like that. To show how BAD he’s had them prepared–in 2012 playoff loss to ‘Niners–Capers defense didn’t contain Kaepernick in just the short minutes he played in opening loss to ‘Niners, in the playoff game he SET AN NFL RUN YARDAGE RECORD FOR QB’s–for most of the season–the league watched Kaepernick RUN the ‘Niners into playoffs–yet DUMB Capers ‘D’ never prepared for it–he ran all over them to set the record. WHAT was Capers thinking he would do? This past season was WORST defense Packers have had in past SIX consecutive playoff years–do ya’ really think they’re better bringing back reject Davon House to replace Sam Shields or replacing Julius Peppers with Ricky Jean-Francois? Packers fans–get out those green and gold crying hankies ’cause Thompson will field his weakest team in SIX years in ’17, don’t expect a playoff game.

  67. One thing the lazy reporters and commenters miss is regarding Lang’s hip surgery. They blindly refer to it as a hip injury last year and expend no effort to explain or understand what it really was. He suffered from a bone spur on the hip that had been increasingly bothering him for years. Removal is a simple issue with no expectation for side effects. This is a far cry from some injury or degenerative condition that has a reasonable chance of only a partial recovery.

  68. therealraider says:
    Apr 23, 2017 11:54 AM
    You take Aaron Rodgers off the Packers and they are a 4-12 team. Then again you can prob say the same thing about New Orleans.

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    Did the Raiders win any games after Carr got hurt?

  69. They’re only going as far as their QBs take them. That’s been the main difference between them and the rest of the North. They’ve had Hall of Famers for the past 25 years, and the rest of the division has been pretty much garbage, outside of Stafford.

  70. I can understand why TT had to let Lang walk. Though I hate to see it, most players for the Packers that hit 30 don’t see a third contract.

    Yes the Packers have 20 million under the salary cap, but they have to resign Burnett and Adams. They also have to work on a contract extension with Clinton-Dix. In my mind our elite safeties take precedence.

  71. They still haven’t recovered from the collapse in Seattle.

    Ted Thompson DID bring in Brandon Bostick, who was/is dumber than a bag o’ hammers …

  72. The Packers do not sign their own free agents because TT expects they should sign for less than market value for the arrogant privilege of playing in Green Bay. TJ Lang’s words, not mine.

    PLEASE FIND AND POST THOSE EXACT WORDS FROM LANG. IN HIS WORDS, NOT YOURS.

    Free agents don’t want to sign with the Packers because they do not want to live in Green Bay. Charles Woodson’s words not mine.

    PLEASE FIND AND POST THOSE EXACT WORDS FROM WOODSON, IN HIS WORDS, NOT YOURS.

    All Packers who are ex Packers are garbage. Packer fans words, not mine.

    PLEASE FIND AND POST THOSE EXACT WORDS FROM PACKER FANS, IN THIER WORDS, NOT YOURS.

    SELF-SERVING MISINFORMATION.

    FAKE NEWS. AS USUAL.

  73. This is a tough one. TJ was awesome: Tough, experienced, a leader, etc… But he is 30 and a O-guard. They can’t pay everyone. It hurt seeing Sutton and TJ leave but if we can use this to enhance the pass rushing and secondary, it’s a good thing.

    Also, the Packers used TJs money to sign Bennet. Would you rather have a great tight end or a guard? Time will tell.

  74. ee00ee says:
    Apr 23, 2017 9:24 PM
    stellarperformance,
    Why don’t you take a minute and see if you can find those quotes…
    ————-
    Because he does not know how. But that does not matter, most people either remember when they was said or can find them.

  75. If I were a Packer fan, I’d be incensed that Dom Capers and Mike McCarthy still have jobs. Their defense is perennially mediocre. McCarthy is the most over-rated coach in football. Rodgers saves his butt every year with his magical play. McCarthy still finds ways to screw it up in the playoffs. With 25 years of 2 of the best QBs to ever play the game the Pack have won 2 Super Bowls. The Patriots have been to 7 Super Bowls with Brady, and won 5 of them because their coaching staff is elite. T.T. is a decent GM but he’s not great. He struck gold with Rodgers. Other than that the team is average at best.

  76. As soon as Aaron is done, this team is done! They have had the luxury of a great quarterback since 1992. They have been lucky enough to have 2 qb’s in that time. The vikings have had 31. But once this run is over then they will be with the rest of us looking for a win any way you can.

    Enjoy it while it is here. I can’t wait until you are scrambling for someone to keep you afloat. That may happen sooner than later with the loss of a lineman. When Aaron is on his back writhing in pain, we’ll see how the frugal approach is good!

  77. When you are a playoff team, you are one of the top 12 teams out of 32. Therefore you should be spending more than 20 other teams that didn’t make the playoffs on salaries. The Packers are overly frugal.

  78. jhtobias says:
    Apr 23, 2017 11:58 AM
    The defense has had three good years under Thompson : 2008 nfc championship game 2010 super bowl and 2014 nfc championship game choke job..

    Instead they have slow linebackers, no pass rush and well cornerbacks that cant cover :

    Granted shields was out of tt control but letting Hayward wasn’t. He does have stud safeties
    _______________________

    Slow LBS and no pass rush? Are you going to sit here and tell me how big of playmakers, Frank Zombo and Desmond Bishop were? The real reason they had pressure,was the front 3 were like Raji and even more so Cullen Jenkins were making or allowing plays to be made, and they gave up plenty of points back then too, they just forced more Turnovers. Which they aren’t doing now.

    As far as Hayward goes hindsight is 20/20 he started great as a Rookie then started dealing with lingering injuries which hampered his second season as well. You can’t sign everyone… I feel that rightly so Daniels was made the priority last year, especially with 2 high picks at corner (whom were unfortunately injured most of last season).

    TT has built a team that was ONE OT game away from being in 4 NFC title games since 2010. While the goal is to win the Superbowl I have said it tons of times… when it gets to Jan., its up to the coaches and players to get the job done.

  79. cheeseisfattening says:
    Apr 23, 2017 10:16 PM
    ee00ee says:
    Apr 23, 2017 9:24 PM
    stellarperformance,
    Why don’t you take a minute and see if you can find those quotes…
    //////////////////////////////////////////////

    Because I’m not the one spewing Fake News, that’s why. Because I’m not the one that posted it, that’s why. Show your sources or shut up. It’s that simple.

  80. When all is said and done, the Packers will be in the playoffs again next year while the Vikings are playing golf.

  81. I hope TT stays thru the Rogers era at least. He builds a team just good enough like dangling a carrot in front of their fans only to yank it away last minute. It brings joy to us packer haters.

  82. While this year has been a little different, my peeve with Thompson is not signing lower-level but still effective free agents rather than relying on rookies and undrafted free agents. The collapse against the Falcons by the defense reflects having inexperienced players in key positions due to injuries. This is where New England has everyone in the league on the run.
    They find veterans to help out. Thompson likes to show off that he’s found a cheap player who can perform. All teams have injuries, but the winners find good backups. The Packers are a mile wide in talent, but an inch deep.
    The Packers defense is average, at best. Without Aaron Rodgers, the Packers would be 4-12.

    I detest the instant ‘fire him!’ approach from many fans, but in the case of Dom Capers, Packers Def. Coor., that is the case. The team has underperformed for so long you think that is normal.

  83. The report is coming from Bob McGinn. We who follow his scribbling know that he is not a credible source.

  84. Cheap because they had about $8m of unused Cap Space? WHAT?!

    take a look at the Jags

    Jaguars’ $32.77 Million Tops List Of Most Unused Cap Space In the NFL

    Shahid CON is a real phony

  85. I love how Packers haters are comparing the Packers to the Patriots. The Patriots have been the gold standard during the Belichick era and no one compares favorably to them.
    But compare what the Packers have done since Ted Thompson took over to any other NFL franchise, and they are as good as anyone else and better than 95% of the others.
    People point out the Packers have had two great QB’s in Favre and Rodgers, and that is true. But having a great QB doesn’t automatically mean you’ll win Super Bowls. Look at Don Shula and Dan Marino.
    The other thing which is unfair is when people say Aaron Rodgers fell into the Packers’ lap. While it’s true that he fell lower than some people thought he would, people have short memories. There was no guarantee Rodgers would be even a good QB in the NFL. And Favre was still playing at a very high level and was not near the end of his career by a long shot. I remember Packers fans saying it was a wasted pick taking Rodgers, that they should have drafted more offensive help for Favre. Folks in the media said the same thing.
    Ted Thompson deserves credit for taking Rodgers. It was not a no brainer by any stretch of the imagination. And a lot of people were questioning whether Rodgers would hold up as a starting QB because he’s on the small side for an NFL QB.
    As a Packers fan, I think Ted Thompson is foolish to ignore free agency the way he does. Granted, he did sign three free agents this off season. But that’s very rare.
    But the fact is most of the other GM’s in the NFL would love to have Ted Thompson’s record as Packers GM. It’s a losing argument to say he’s been a bad GM.
    And think about this, what would his critics have been saying had Aaron Rodgers been a bust?

  86. Well they shouldn’t be incensed. They should just come here and read all the Packer fans thoughts who said it was a good move, as he would be too expensive and there are strong replacements. That would make them feel better.

  87. wtfru2 says:
    Apr 23, 2017 11:43 PM
    As soon as Aaron is done, this team is done! They have had the luxury of a great quarterback since 1992. They have been lucky enough to have 2 qb’s in that time. The vikings have had 31. But once this run is over then they will be with the rest of us looking for a win any way you can.

    Enjoy it while it is here. I can’t wait until you are scrambling for someone to keep you afloat. That may happen sooner than later with the loss of a lineman. When Aaron is on his back writhing in pain, we’ll see how the frugal approach is good!

    ***

    Listen, I’m a Vikes fan, but we shouldn’t talk as if our 31 quarterbacks is a measure of misfortune. Most of that was the fault of the management. Too many patchwork QBs and major strikeouts in the draft.

  88. But the fact is most of the other GM’s in the NFL would love to have Ted Thompson’s record as Packers GM.
    ===

    I’m sick and tired of hearing this, and I’m even more sick and tired of PACKERS FANS saying it.

    We lament the fact that Ron Wolf and Co. didn’t win that 2nd Title in 1997. THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO is playing out before our eyes.

    Yes, he’s had a better run than most of his peers, but he has failed to be truly great with a deck stacked with a guy who can be mentioned with the VERY BEST QBs of all-time.

  89. Wow. Reading all of the comments from the viking fans, TJ Lang must be THE BEST offensive lineman in the history of the NFL! Sounds like he’ll be a sure-fire 1st ballot hall of famer! I guess we didn’t realize what a complete treasure we had when he was here!

    The only things certain in life are death, taxes, and the annual off-season predictions from vikings fans telling us that they’re going to win it all this year and the Packers are a team in decline.

  90. The collapse against the Falcons by the defense reflects having inexperienced players in key positions due to injuries.
    ===

    However true that may be, you can set your watch to Capers breakdowns. Routine torching every 2nd or 3rd weekend in January.

    The game has passed Capers by. His blitzes and coverages are inept and ineffective.

    If you are going to build with young/inexperienced players, you need coaches to put them in a position to succeed. The next time Capers coaches a young Packer defender up will be the first time.

  91. I don’t know what to make of this story.

    The coaches are/were irate? Why? Name a Packer who got a 2nd big contract out of Ted Thompson?

    I’m just a hack fan behind a keyboard, even I could see the writing was on the wall in November! Coaches are in the building, and some of them have been showing up at the facility for over a decade now. You really didn’t see this one coming?

  92. This loss will destroy the Packers protection scheme.

    The foundation of their offense, much like the Giants offense, is having a great pass-blocking RG who can set the pocket.

  93. McGinn and company seem be extra critical of the packers ever since Rob Davis made one of their reporters feel very unwelcome. A reporter called Letroy Guion’s parents to ask their opinion regarding their son’s drug arrest, and in response Lang called the reporter a “weasel”. Rob Davis did not greet this reporter with a smile and a handshake when he showed his face at the packers facility.

    Football teams give reporters access to their players so they can spread the good news to the fans about what is going on with football. Some reporters prefer to publish whatever bad they can find from players’ personal lives, and criticize coaches at every turn. The teams don’t want or need this. With the newspaper becoming extinct, I don’t see why teams don’t limit reporter access to their own team reporters, and tell everyone else to get lost.

  94. “And, of course, the Packers have made the playoffs eight years in a row. ”

    That’s because of Rodgers. If Rodgers left that team then they’d stink like all the other poorly managed teams do. People need to quit giving Ted so much credit when he has an all time great QB carrying the team year after year.

  95. It’s very misleading to state that the “average” NFL team carries over $10M in cap space over to the new league year.

    In reality, the majority of teams that are trying to win championships carry under $5M in cap space. That’s not to say there aren’t a few exceptions, but contenders generally spend to the cap.

    What drastically changes that “league average” number is teams like the Browns and Jaguars that hoard $60M+ in cap space while they aren’t competing.

  96. Teflon Ted isn’t in the business to make friends. It’s business first, to him. If the other teams in the division are chasing the Packers year after year after year, he must be doing something right.

  97. aarons444 says:
    Apr 26, 2017 10:22 AM
    Teflon Ted? Has he wiped the stink off him from December 2011-present?
    //////////////////////////////////////

    It’s not necessary. Nothing sticks to him.

  98. tjacks7 says:

    I would have loved to have seen Rodgers on a team with competent coaching and management. What a tragic waste of one of the most talented QBs in league history. The day he hangs em up, the Packers will immediately drift into oblivion hoping for 4 win seasons.

    —-

    Love it … that is what Bears, Lions and Viking fans were saying when Favre was in Green Bay making their guys look silly year after year. My wife’s uncle is a dyed-in-the-wool F.I.B. Bears fan … and I heard it from it forever.

    As a Bears’ fan, he’d know. Bears fans aren’t fans of an expansion team like the Vikies.

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