Giants lawyers release more Eli Manning emails to media

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Nearly two weeks ago, the lawyers representing the plaintiffs in a memorabilia fraud lawsuit against the Giants produced an email that arguably contains smoking-gun evidence of quarterback Eli Manning’s involvement in the scheme, with Eli asking the team’s equipment manager for two helmets that can “pass as game used.” On Wednesday, the lawyers representing the Giants and Manning released emails aimed at showing Eli was not involved.

But the article from ESPN.com, which quotes an email reflecting a 2012 effort by Manning to get equipment manager Jeff Skiba to secure Manning’s primary helmet and his backup helmet, contains no emails or other specific factual information that would explain why or how the 2010 “pass as game used” email doesn’t mean what it seems to mean.

Per the ESPN.com article, the lawyers claim that the plaintiffs “have no evidence of what was even produced after those emails were sent and have no direct knowledge of Manning producing anything that turned out to be fake.”

“The Manning defendants produced all of their documents concerning Mr. Manning’s equipment that he provided to Steiner Sports for the simple reason that they have nothing to hide and vehemently deny that they ever provided Steiner Sports with equipment they did not believe was game-used,” the attorneys representing the Giants and Manning wrote in an item submitted last week to the court presiding over the case.

That’s fine and it’s fair, but it sheds no light on why or how Manning sending an email in 2010 asking for two helmets that can “pass as game used” doesn’t mean what it seems to mean. If the email was taken out of context, what was the context and what does it mean within that context?

It would be ironic, to say the least, if lawyers accusing the Giants and Manning of fraud are perpetrating a fraud with an email that doesn’t mean what they claim it means. To date, however, there has been nothing from the the Giants, Manning, or their lawyers that specifically shows why or how that email has been warped, embellished, or otherwise bastardized by the plaintiffs. Producing emails that suggest there wasn’t a scam doesn’t erase the one email that suggests there was; the one email that suggests there was needs to be shown that it’s not what it seems to be in order to change the minds of those who look at that one email as proof of shenanigans.

I like Eli. I respect him and the work he does for worthy causes like the fight against the tragedy of childhood cancer. I want to believe that there’s nothing to any of this. It would be much easier if someone would provide, once and for all, an explanation of the “pass as game used” email that meshes fully and completely with the notion that Eli is being accused of something he didn’t do.

44 responses to “Giants lawyers release more Eli Manning emails to media

  1. Looks like Eli did nothing wrong. Pretty much like he said. But keep banging the drum with one stick.

  2. It is highly possible that Manning has a bunch of game used helmets and at the end of the season he had no idea which ones were actually used in games and which ones were the back up and he just picks the ones that look worn. That’s what “pass as game used” means to me. It’s not like he was providing unboxed helmets. The Giants just don’t keep track is my guess. Thus far it all looks pretty informal and if pressed, I would say there is no way they could prove those items were game worn.

    I don’t think Manning did anything fraudulent, but I think he didn’t care about it very much.

  3. The new emails simply show that there exist emails where he was trying to get game used gear.

    Like is correctly pointed out in the article, it does nothing to disprove or add context the the email where he does appear to be trying to pass off gear as game used when it was not.

    At best it simply suggests that not ALL the gear represented as game day worn was fraudulent. But it definitely does NOT refute the fact that some of it was.

  4. Depends on what definition of “pass” you are using. It could be “pass as game used” meaning resembling (which is the speculation against Manning), or “pass as game used” can also refer to passing authentication tests as legitimately game-used equipment. The second definition should present sufficient reasonable doubt that the first definition is not what the email meant.

  5. Looks like Eli did nothing wrong. Pretty much like he said. But keep banging the drum with one stick.

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    Based on what?

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    Just further elaborates that Eli had no intent to defraud fans. The presiding judge has the emails. Once it’s released to the public record the press will comb through it ravenously, I’m sure.

    Looks like this new info was just a part of the filing Eli already said he and his attorneys submitted last week. They are trying to prove to the presiding judge that the plaintiff and his attorney “omitted evidence” in order to paint Eli as guilty. If that’s indeed what they were trying to do, yikes.

  6. Does it really matter? In the end if your are going to deal in a piece of Eli Manning gear there is a cloud around it. Due to this fact the buyer beware, if it’s too good to be true…..

  7. He can not get off lighter than Brady and because team employee and text messages are involved Giants must loss 1st round pick;

    what comes around goes around

  8. cadreamer1969 says:
    Apr 26, 2017 7:21 PM
    It’s never good when the media thinks they are the judge.

    Just like the media did when they went after Brady when there is no proof that he did anything wrong with footballs.

  9. Producing emails that suggest there wasn’t a scam doesn’t erase the one email that suggests there was; the one email that suggests there was needs to be shown that it’s not what it seems to be …
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    Because. as it stands right now, the evidence is compelling if not overwhelming that Eli and the Giants are frauds.

  10. It’s always the same story. Tell the truth like Andy Pettite eventually did and the story is over in two days. Everyone else tells a lie and it drags and drags and drags….

  11. I am no fan, but I cannot see Eli wanting to dupe a few extra bucks out of some fake gear. Just makes no sense. But of course TB deflating footballs by 0.5psi made no sense either and yet the league (re: mara) seemed to think it was worth 4 games, 1 million dollars and draft picks. Somehow I don’t think he will be shooting for the same punishment in this case…..

  12. I think the guys declaring him innocent are just saying what they hope not what they know. They dont know. I also think the people declaring him guilty are saying what they hope not what they know. They dont know either.

    The email sounds bad but by itself proves nothing. I think its a shame the way these things get tried in the press, we dont get all the facts, the ones we do get are not all accurate, and really its all just to get us roiled up with our differing agendas to feed the story. I know its not realistic but this is best if investigated thoroughly and quietly, that we simply hear in the end what it came to.

    Also regarding the Brady comments, I agree what happened to Brady was BS and wrong. But screwing Eli is not going to get the picks back or make the suspension something that never happened. Two wrongs dont make a right and one situation has nothing to do with the other. And Brady lets face it stuck it to them like they deserved when he comes of that suspension to win a SB. The Patriots get all the revenge they need just by being the Patriots.

  13. Real q: Does Manning change helmets or shirts during the game ? I was thinking he doesn’t really track which helmets or shirts are used in any game and might have said that to a trainer who was asking how to know which to get as long as it passed. Maybe he was being specific about it, asking for something with the right history or right amount of ‘game time’. Pre-season game count? Or the (wink…) ‘pass’, sure.

    I don’t know a thing about handling or any of it, but there are a lot of ways to interpret what he wrote.

    I am a Giants fan – but I have my mostly rocky relationship with our QB, buhlieve me. As a Giants fan, I’m not too worried about Eli’s integrity as he’s got that in spades and Walter Payton – more worried about his TD:INT and gosh-golly attitude sometimes…so maybe the haters will help put a chip on it. It’ll sort itself out and hopefully stoke a fire.

  14. Suppose on 2d and 10 Eli’s helmet mike conks out.
    He gets the backup helmet, throws an incompletion, walks off the field, goes to the sideline and when he comes back in his original helmet is repaired and he’s wearing it. So he wore a helmet for one play. Is it game used? To these slime bucket dealers, do these two helmets have equal value? I don’t know. Just asking.

  15. Are the Giants or Eli Manning profiting from this memorabia? If they are it’s an issue if not then it isn’t. That’s what we need to know.

  16. LMAO. Only one to blame here is the idiotic fans that pay extra money for “game used ” equipment. Manning could wear the helmet playing ping pong and in effect it was worn during a game. Nobody stated they wanted equipment used in a specific type of game. The only value in any equipment is the value the buyer puts into it. This is all funny stupid. Hell, Manning can say he wore the stuff playing a game of hopscotch for all that matters. It was ” game used”. LOL. Only idiots buy this crap anyway.

  17. Couldnt “pass as game used” mean that he wants to ensure they were game used. Thus pass. Not fail.

  18. What else does the plaintiff have to prove their complaint. And what’s the definition of game used? If there is just the one email, that’s not a whole lot to go on.
    For it to be game used, like he actually wore it for one or more plays, I’d bet they can prove that forensically. That’s part of the whole CTE issue. The brain and sweat, both get bounced around a lot. Sampling a helmet that was just put on to make sure the communications were working probably wouldn’t have the same sweat distribution. Kind of like blood spatter patterns. Experts can tell the difference.
    Can probably check the comm link data as well. I would imagine that to ensure actual comm link shut off as required, every link would have a specific id. If used in a game, that would be recorded. Somewhere.

    I can only imagine Eli’s attorney’s are aware of this and would be using it in his defence. Right now, their approach doesn’t seem all that sophisticated.

  19. “they did not believe was game used”

    Just the sort of lawyer loophole that makes this whole thing suspicious. I always thought it would be the clear footage of fake cramping along with player testimony confirming the specific coaches involved that would force the league to investigate this fraud of a team, but destroying the memorabilia market will have to do. How many phones has Eli destroyed since 2010, anyway?

  20. jacind22 says:
    Apr 26, 2017 9:02 PM
    It’s always the same story. Tell the truth like Andy Pettite eventually did and the story is over in two days. Everyone else tells a lie and it drags and drags and drags….

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    But if he has told the truth already…..

  21. … and in other emails it was revealed that the equipment manager is commonly addressed by his nickname “The Imitator”.

    Sorry sorry sorry.

  22. Just curious if all this controversy would now make a fake one passed of as a real one more valuable then an actual real one? Think about it. I know I’d rather have a helmet where I could say “Ya, it’s one of those fakies that Eli tried to pass off as game used.” Rather than saying “Ya, this is the helmet Eli wore when he threw 3 ints against whoever.”

  23. What was the equipment managers response?
    What if he responded “No, I haven’t seen them.”.
    Seeing the email from Eli asking where his helmets are means nothing if we don’t get to see the response saying where they are.
    What if a reporter from Mexico scooped it up on his way out the door?
    It’s not like that has never happened.

  24. Florio let me start by saying I am not a Giants fan. I have no horse to sell. Do you know what I just said? Probably not.
    If you were born in the South you would understand that Manning meant pass in the sense of pass/fail. That is the dichotomy in Louisiana. He was instructing him to get some helmets that would not fail as game used. Manning understood that there was criteria involved and wanted balls that would pass as game used because they were in fact used in a way that would qualify.

    pass as game used. (good)
    fail as game used. (bad)

    Do you understand now?

  25. “or “pass as game used” can also refer to passing authentication tests as legitimately game-used equipment.”

    You’re making way too much sense here. “Ain’t nobody got time for that”. They want blood.

  26. bullcharger says: Apr 26, 2017 7:00 PM
    It is highly possible that Manning has a bunch of game used helmets and at the end of the season he had no idea which ones were actually used in games and which ones were the back up and he just picks the ones that look worn. That’s what “pass as game used” means to me. It’s not like he was providing unboxed helmets. The Giants just don’t keep track is my guess. Thus far it all looks pretty informal and if pressed, I would say there is no way they could prove those items were game worn.

    I don’t think Manning did anything fraudulent, but I think he didn’t care about it very much.
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    Well that’s a load of garbage. There is a gigantic hole in your attempt to let Manning off the hook. The hole in your theory is simple. Have you ever wondered why only certain teams wear throwback uniforms? The reason is the helmet. The players have one helmet they are allowed to wear, and they wear it all season. Yes there is a back up helmet for QBs (for the radio coms), but because of all of the concussion issues and lawsuits, the NFL passed a rule that players wear one helmet for the entirety of the season. That’s why a team like the Patriots (for example), cant wear their red throwback uniforms, because the throwbacks were a white helmet and the current one is silver. It wouldn’t look right to put the old logos on the silver helmet. I appreciate your outside the box thinking in an attempt to give Manning the benefit of the doubt, the benefit that I’m just certain you gave Brady (eye roll), but youre off base. That explanation is even more lame than trying to say “deflator” was about weight loss… There is absolutely no explanation for saying “I want (insert whatever) to PASS as (something it isn’t)” unless you were trying to put one over on someone.

  27. “It is highly possible that Manning has a bunch of game used helmets and at the end of the season he had no idea which ones were actually used in games and which ones were the back up and he just picks the ones that look worn. ”

    What some people here don’t seem to understand, is that this lawsuit claims that specific helmets, signed and verified by Eli Manning and certified by Steiner Sports, are not game used. They are not claiming they are not game used because the helmets are pristine or have little wear, they are claiming they are not game used because they looked at footage of every game Eli played and the helmet doesn’t match any of the helmets Eli used.

    Specific claims are:
    There is no Velcro to attach the mike.
    There is no glue residue where the Velcro should have been to attach the mike (Also, why would you remove the Velcro from a game worn helmet).
    The helmet has more holes in it then the game used helmet (specifically in regards to one of the superbowl helmets).
    The screw is in a different place.
    The stickers are in different places.

    If it can be shown that helmets pawned off as game used, were not game used, then that is fraud.

  28. No explanation has been provided as to why Eli’s Helmet in the Football HOF is a fake. Everything is just a distraction from the real crime that will be revealed if/when Goodell gets involved

  29. You know what can “pass as game-used”? Something that’s been used in a game… where’s the evidence that Eli provided anything but that?

  30. People sit and question Tom Brady’s integrity yet it is clear the Manning family is the true Integrity issue in the NFL. Pathetic the whole Manning family

  31. What some people here don’t seem to understand, is that this lawsuit claims that specific helmets, signed and verified by Eli Manning and certified by Steiner Sports, are not game used. They are not claiming they are not game used because the helmets are pristine or have little wear, they are claiming they are not game used because they looked at footage of every game Eli played and the helmet doesn’t match any of the helmets Eli used.

    Specific claims are:
    There is no Velcro to attach the mike.
    There is no glue residue where the Velcro should have been to attach the mike (Also, why would you remove the Velcro from a game worn helmet).
    The helmet has more holes in it then the game used helmet (specifically in regards to one of the superbowl helmets).
    The screw is in a different place.
    The stickers are in different places.

    If it can be shown that helmets pawned off as game used, were not game used, then that is fraud.

  32. somebody mentioned it earlier, what does game used mean? There were stories of Sneaky Pete Rose switching shirts, pants, gloves, hats, socks and shoes in between every half inning during his run to the hit record, just to have a bigger stockpile to flip later. They even joked when he was on TV peddling his merch that he even asked callers “what size do you want”. Memorabilia collecting is an oily game, nothing can ever be verified, no matter who is selling it or who is buying it. Unless you are watching that guy take it off, anybody that tells you they know for sure the item they are buying/selling is 100% authentic is lying.

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