Oddsmaker has Patriots with highest win over/under in 10 years

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Will the Patriots’ win total go over or under 12.5? That’s a question bettors can wager on heading into the 2017 season, and it’s an almost unheard of wager in the NFL.

According to the oddsmaker Bovada, the Patriots’ win total of 12.5 is the highest any team has had heading into the season in the last 10 years. The NFL is so unpredictable that it’s almost unheard of for bettors to think it’s a safe bet to pick any team to go 13-3 or better, but that’s exactly how bettors are treating this year’s Patriots.

The next-highest win over/unders are the Steelers and Seahawks, each of whom are at 10.5. At the bottom of the league are the Browns and 49ers, with win over/unders at 4.5.

The Patriots are also the overwhelming favorites to win the Super Bowl. After winning the Super Bowl in February and then holding onto most of their key players while adding receiver Brandin Cooks, defensive end Kony Ealy, cornerback Stephon Gilmore and running backs Rex Burkhead and Mike Gillislee, it’s easy to see why Robert Kraft may think New England has a roster the rest of the league envies.

98 responses to “Oddsmaker has Patriots with highest win over/under in 10 years

  1. On paper I would agree that they should repeat. But injuries can derail anything.

  2. Well Jarvis Landry already said the Dolphins would be beating the Patriots twice in 2017, so the best they can do is 14 – 2 … only really gives the bettors 1 of the other 14 games on the schedule to be able to take a loss. Tough bet.

  3. One of these days Tom Brady is going to start showing his age and the wheels are going to fall off of the Patriots Super Bowl Express. It may not happen this year, but it will happen.

  4. With Jarvis Landry’s guaranteeing that Miami will beat the Patriots twice this year, I wonder where the 1 other loss is supposed to come from?

    I wonder what Chip/Randy/too many other names to list thinks?

  5. The best team in the NFL last year got better and healthy during the offseason. As long as they don’t have to play any cheap shot artists named Pollard…

    Lombardi #6 has better odds of coming to Foxboro next season than the corrupt Goodell.

  6. The Patriot’s have changed their ways purchasing guys and really trying to load up this year, they sound like a scary team on paper.
    I’ll bet it blows up on them, they had so much success doing it their own way, this is a mistake!!

  7. Seems like a pretty reasonable place to set it. In the last 7 years, they’ve been over three times, and under four, and each of the unders was exactly 12. Their average wins over that span is 12.7…

  8. Went 17-2 and are currently on a 10 game winning streak while seeking their third SB win in four years. We’ve been here before, and it is glorious.

  9. No doubt they have a good team.

    No doubt they vastly improved.

    But, they still have to play the games one at a time…

  10. ‘One of these days Tom Brady is going to start showing his age and the wheels are going to fall off of the Patriots Super Bowl Express’

    Yes, of course. And some day the sun will supernova and our planet will end.

    That doesn’t change the fact that it is and will be the greatest run for a franchise in the history of the NFL.

  11. .
    It’s not even preseason yet. However, on paper, this is the best Patriots roster ever. While it would be difficult to pick New England to win 13 games, it would be foolhardy to bet the under.
    .

  12. Even when the Dolphins are a Playoff Team again… it sucks having the Patriots in the same Division. Well, maybe we play the games and see what happens anyway. Is it Sept. yet?

  13. Take the Brownies on the under and the over on dudes saying “wheels off the cart “

  14. Let’s see Gronky will last five games Julie will join him on Ir and Brady will feel 40 by the middle of the year. cheaters 9-7

  15. I’m no Pats fan but Brady will give Father Time a run for his money. Why?..because Brady rarely gets hit. He’s so precise and quick with his throws he just needs to keep his mind right and stand back there and handoff or wing it. If anybody is going to beat the Pats it’s gonna be as the Giants showed us all with constant pressure up front. The minute d-lines start pressuring Brady and smacking him in the face, Brady can’t stand the heat and his cage is rattled.

  16. I have them at 14-2, and that’s conservative.

    Hardest games @denver, @saints, @pitt, @raiders in mexico city, host atlanta.

    Who says pats have easy schedule?

  17. Hmm..the last time the Patriots spent money on free agency (Adalius Thomas) and made a trade for a big time WR (Randy Moss), they went 18-1. That team looked unbeatable until..

  18. Not sure the greatest run for a franchise in the history of the NFL. Always murky when you sau … “In history”.

    Didn’t the Packers win like 5 championships in 7 years? (61, 62, 65, 66, 67)

    with ’60 losing in the championship.

    Not to take anything away from the Pats but too often we say “In History” and we forget history…

    The Browns even had a great run… 6 championship games in a row winning 3 of them.

  19. May 8, 2017 8:08 PM
    Hmm..the last time the Patriots spent money on free agency (Adalius Thomas) and made a trade for a big time WR (Randy Moss), they went 18-1. That team looked unbeatable until..

    0 2

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    until the giants and goodell planted a fake
    story of a sb 36 walkthrough tape to distract
    the pats on the eve of the super bowl

    i would say goodell is out of bullets

    pats won’t be as one dimensional in 2017 on offense, but
    you keep thinking they will be

  20. steves11 says:
    May 8, 2017 7:15 PM
    One of these days Tom Brady is going to start showing his age and the wheels are going to fall off of the Patriots Super Bowl Express.
    ——————-
    This team went 11-5 with Cassell and only missed out on the Div title that year to the 4th tiebreaker rule. If Brady took a career-ending injury in week 1, this team is still looking at the playoffs and only questioning how far. Once Belichick retires too, then the Pats drift back into the pack – albeit still one of the top 12. And with one of the better ownership families. Any notion of wheels falling off are are just foolish. Your salt will continue.

  21. terripet says:
    May 8, 2017 7:55 PM
    Let’s see Gronky will last five games Julie will join him on Ir and Brady will feel 40 by the middle of the year. cheaters 9-7

    ———-
    Meanwhile in the AFC South the Colts will be competing for last place..

  22. When people mention the Packers, Browns, etc from the sixties, we always conveniently forget that it was back when there were what, 8 teams? It is much more of gauntlet to run. Even the 72 Dolphins need to check themselves at the door. If they had to play two more games, maybe they lose one, too. Free agency, drug testing, fitness training, nutrition, health care, salary cap, social media…. it all makes the game so much different.

    This team is stacked on paper, but let us see how the season plays out. If they can stay healthy, it will be hard for others to match their depth.

  23. So it’s the highest in ten years? I’m guessing ten years ago the last team to have this over under was also the Patriots…

  24. “The minute d-lines start pressuring Brady and smacking him in the face, Brady can’t stand the heat and his cage is rattled.”

    You can say that about any NFL quarterback. But Brady is more lethal than any other QB I’ve ever seen if he can keep his uniform clean.

  25. They’re already 6-0 in that bunk division. So all they need to do is go 7-3 in their other 10.

    The Giants….let me repeat that….the Eli Manning 2 years of playoff wins in 17 years New York Football Giants….is 10-2 in that scrub division since 07.’

    One of those losses was the result of a dropped gimme pick and the other was a close call loss to an undefeated team. Could have easily gone 12-0.

  26. Eli would have more SBs than d-lord at the Kentucky Derby Brady if the Giants were in the AFCE.

  27. Over-hyped usually mean they will crash and burn ‘dream team’ style. Plus one year Brady’s age will catch up to him – durability or skill…It will happen.

  28. raylewisandhisteeth says:
    May 8, 2017 8:45 PM
    AFCE strikes again…..

    Why not trot out the lame schedule excuse while you are at it? What part of a .786 win % in division and a .762% out of it is hard to understand? What would put it in perspective for you? The last 4 years running the Pats have lost the same number of games in 6 to the division as they have in 10 to the rest of the league. All divisions are .500 against themselves yet the AFCE has won more games per team than any other over the last 10 years. Division winners on average for the past 10 years have lost 1.363 games per year in division, New England has lost 1.5. What division would you have them dominate instead? They are located in MA so it would need to be a northern or eastern team. How about we put them in the AFCN where in the Brady/Belichick era they are .828? Not what you had in mind? The NFCN (.875) or NFCE (.813) probably won’t do it for you either. Maybe that .786 isn’t all that bad after all, you should be thankful the Pats are in the AFCE, they could be owning your division instead.

  29. sounds about right since they have had 6 automatic wins against the cfl teams that round out their division for the last decade.

    Stick em in a the afc north over the last decade and their a 10 win team at best.

  30. Of course. They have played in arguably the worst division in the NFL and get a free pass to the playoffs EVERY year because of it. The last time a team won a Super Bowl that wasn’t the Patriots from the AFC East Elvis was alive.

  31. Hey Tuck, your Midgets are irrelevant, haven’t won playoff game in 5 yrs. The NFL is a league dominated by Brady and Belichick. Midgets are not even part of the conversation. Eli, Mr Turnover” is done,and has been done. Hard for some people to face facts

  32. I didn’t forget there were fewer teams. That would mean the talent pool was not diluted as we see today with so few top QBs.

    Anyway, the point was that when someone says Best Ever or In History…we often don’t look farther back than we remember.

    The game has definitely changed from the 60s and 70s and the Pats are making the NFL’s attempt at balance look strained but we shouldn’t dismiss what those teams that far back did either.

  33. As a lifelong Bills fan, I have come to learn that never ever do you ever count the Patriots out, or bet against them. Years and years of unfathomable domination against my team (and many others) has caused me to reach the realization that as long as the hoodie is on the sideline and Brady is under center, the patriots being in any given game, no matter the score, no matter the time, is as certain as death and taxes.

    I was thinking it in my head when the Falcons were up 28-3.. I’ve seen Brady and the pats go down to my bills 21-7 in the second half, on the road, and then CASUALLY DROP 45 POINTS in about 25:00 of game play to curb stomp us 52 – 28.

    It’s maddening how they can stay in any given game, but you can’t deny it. For this reason I would be very surprised if by this january were not looking at the patriots 7th straight AFCC game appearance.

  34. quote: They’re already 6-0 in that bunk division. So all they need to do is go 7-3 in their other 10.
    ——–

    Under BB & TB….

    They do win a lot of their games against the AFC East. 77% of them, to be exact.

    They win an even higher percentage of games vs. 4 of the other seven divisions, to be exact.

    They win 77% of their games vs. the league as a whole.

    Wait… no difference? over 15 seasons? really?

    Yes, really!

  35. I will actually take the over on the Browns this year for the first time in at least 5 years. I see them taking 5 games this year. Which will be cause for a parade.

  36. The Patriots have a fairly good record against that scrub division called the NFC East too. Two can play at that game.

    Congratulations though. Your Giants in their two best years bested the Patriots in two of their less distinguished years. Yeah they went 16 and 0 in 2007, but I think the 2006 version had more grit. By 2007 their defense was old and slow and turned over a lot of personnel in 2008. And that 2011 squad was another team with a great offense but that defense was patched together with smoke, mirrors, and duct tape. Brandon Merriweather? James Sanders? Come on. Belichick had not yet found the players to replace the dynasty of 2001-2004. I was actually coercing them to get blown out by the Giants, and yet somehow they hung in there until the end with a chance to win it. So the Giants were fortunate enough to run into the Patriots when they did. Had they qualified for the Super Bowl in any of those other years, they would have lost. So it’s not Giants 2, Patriots 0. Since 2004. It’s Patriots 5, Giants 2 and then we’ll call the other years draws, which is being kind to the Giants considering they did not fare as well as the Patriots in those years.

  37. justintuckrule says:
    May 8, 2017 8:51 PM

    One of those losses was the result of a dropped gimme pick and the other was a close call loss to an undefeated team. Could have easily gone 12-0.

    __________________________________________

    Pats are a dropped pick and a close loss from being 7-2 in Superbowls 😉

  38. raylewisandhisteeth says:
    May 8, 2017 8:45 PM
    AFCE strikes again…..

    ———–

    Brady’s record is pretty much the same against all the duvisions. Check it out.

  39. steves11 says:
    May 8, 2017 7:15 PM
    One of these days Tom Brady is going to start showing his age and the wheels are going to fall off of the Patriots Super Bowl Express. It may not happen this year, but it will happen.

    —————-

    So you are saying that Brady will eventually age. Quite the prediction.

  40. I think all the patriot fans should take all their money they have and bet it on the over. I’m sure the oddsmakers would never lead anyone astray.

  41. havok82 says:
    May 8, 2017 8:42 PM
    When people mention the Packers, Browns, etc from the sixties, we always conveniently forget that it was back when there were what, 8 teams? It is much more of gauntlet to run. Even the 72 Dolphins need to check themselves at the door. If they had to play two more games, maybe they lose one, too. Free agency, drug testing, fitness training, nutrition, health care, salary cap, social media…. it all makes the game so much different.

    This team is stacked on paper, but let us see how the season plays out. If they can stay healthy, it will be hard for others to match their depth.

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    You are slighting the Packers because of the era they played in, but you could not be more wrong. Teams were stronger from top to bottom back then. You had guys who could easily have been starters who never got on the field because the depth was just too great.
    Yes, it’s a different era and it is a different NFL. But I’ve been watching the NFL for over 55 years and those Packers teams and the Steelers teams of the 70’s could play with anyone. You have to also remember that if they were playing today, they’d have all those advantages you mentioned and therefore there would be no advantage for these guys today.
    Great teams — just like great players — would be great in any era, all things even.

  42. billybone says:
    May 8, 2017 7:59 PM
    I’m no Pats fan but Brady will give Father Time a run for his money. Why?..because Brady rarely gets hit. He’s so precise and quick with his throws he just needs to keep his mind right and stand back there and handoff or wing it. If anybody is going to beat the Pats it’s gonna be as the Giants showed us all with constant pressure up front. The minute d-lines start pressuring Brady and smacking him in the face, Brady can’t stand the heat and his cage is rattled.

    Sorry to burst your narrative bubble but Atlanta beat the snot out of Brady for 3 quarters. His cage looked fine to me in the 4th & OT. He takes more hits and gets fewer RTP calls than most QBs with as many attempts.

  43. The bitterness of anti-Patriot football fans makes me so sad … for them.

    Whenever I see excellence in any field I find it inspiring. How small and limited in thought does a “football fan” have to be to see the organizational excellence of the Patriots and hate?

  44. People are also forgetting that Gronk is going to be back 😬

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    Over/Under on when Gronk goes back on I/R??? Games missed are inevitable

  45. If I had to bet significant money I would take the under.
    Luckily no one is making me do that, so if the Pats beat the odds against injuries and bad bounces and get over the 12 win mark I’ll be able to fully enjoy it.

  46. justintuckrule says:
    May 8, 2017 8:53 PM
    Eli would have more SBs than d-lord at the Kentucky Derby Brady if the Giants were in the AFCE.
    ——————————-
    Excuses excuses….. Maybe if Eli didn’t throw up a couple prayers & had them answered along with a great defense, he’d be the NOTHING he’s been the rest of his career since then??!!

  47. justintuckrule says:
    May 8, 2017 8:53 PM
    Eli would have more SBs than d-lord at the Kentucky Derby Brady if the Giants were in the AFCE.
    ——
    There ARE other games to be played outside winning a division, you’re aware of that right? Unless 8 Lombardy trophies are handed out each year and I’ve missed it

  48. @justintuckrule

    don’t you mean E-lie of the New York Injury Fakers?

    The Injuryfakers ill-begotten 2 SB victories against the Pats are but a small footnote in the illustrious run that Pats have been on. No one up here cares, bro. No one

    Plus, everyone outside of New York knows Elie* is by far the Luckiest average QB in the NFL history.
    Most def not a HoF QB. I’m sure Daddy will make it so though.

  49. bartpkelly says:
    May 8, 2017 8:13 PM
    Not sure the greatest run for a franchise in the history of the NFL. Always murky when you sau … “In history”.

    Didn’t the Packers win like 5 championships in 7 years? (61, 62, 65, 66, 67)

    with ’60 losing in the championship.

    Not to take anything away from the Pats but too often we say “In History” and we forget history…

    The Browns even had a great run… 6 championship games in a row winning 3 of them.

    The players were literally 30% smaller, slower. They were car salesmen or insurance salesmen in the off-season because of low salaries. Players were locked into teams until they were useless. If Pats were able to stockpile their stars like Ty Law and McGinest you possibly could add another 3 SB to their gawdy collection of 5 in 16 years.

  50. bartpkelly says:
    May 8, 2017 9:40 PM
    I didn’t forget there were fewer teams. That would mean the talent pool was not diluted as we see today with so few top QBs.

    Not so much. The talent “pool” in those years was a backyard splash pool while today’s pool is more like Lake Superior by comparison. You only needed a small handful of QB’s back then and BTW, a few of them weren’t all that good.

  51. Pats are +450 to win SUPER BOWL! You better jump on it…

    -Raider fan

  52. Patriots vs Giants = super bowl

    New England finally beats them.. Book it!

  53. sportsfan178 says:
    May 9, 2017 8:47 AM

    The players were literally 30% smaller, slower. They were car salesmen or insurance salesmen in the off-season because of low salaries. Players were locked into teams until they were useless. If Pats were able to stockpile their stars like Ty Law and McGinest you possibly could add another 3 SB to their gawdy collection of 5 in 16 years.
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    We hear that argument from time to time but it just doesn’t hold water. The cap made New England, since it’s inception it pays to be the smartest team instead of the richest. The Patriots have mastered team building in the cap era, it’s the primary reason they win. If less accomplished front offices could just write bigger checks every year the Patriots would be facing much stiffer competition with a depleted roster. Do you really think without a cap Jerry Jones wouldn’t be the George Steinbrenner of football? Kraft has said in the past without the implementation of the cap he wouldn’t have bought the team because it would have been a noncompetitive money loser. Take away the cap and the Pats wouldn’t even be in New England anymore.
    Kraft wouldn’t have bought them and Orthwein would have moved the team to St. Louis.

  54. That 12.5 win number is the ultimate sign of respect to the Patriots and the ultimate sign of disrespect to the rest of their division all at the same time.

  55. billybone says:
    May 8, 2017 7:59 PM
    I’m no Pats fan but Brady will give Father Time a run for his money. Why?..because Brady rarely gets hit. He’s so precise and quick with his throws he just needs to keep his mind right and stand back there and handoff or wing it. If anybody is going to beat the Pats it’s gonna be as the Giants showed us all with constant pressure up front. The minute d-lines start pressuring Brady and smacking him in the face, Brady can’t stand the heat and his cage is rattled.
    –—————————————————————

    Billy – big difference between ‘getting smacked in the face’ and not having time to throw. Atlanta tuned up Brady like no other team did all year but when he had time to pass he was surgical. The Giants in the SB vs. NE? They did not knock the snot out of him like Atlanta did. They did not give him time to pass.

  56. The Patriots are also the overwhelming favorites to win the Super Bowl.
    =========================
    The NFL is becoming the NBA where certain teams (Patriots) get to ‘load up’ on players at a discount of their market value price. That’s why they didn’t resign Blount since Blount wants fair market value its not the Patriots way. It’s making the NFL so much more interesting…NOT

    #meaninglesschampionships

  57. Yes Brady gets rattled when “smacked in the face” especially when his team is down 28 – 3 in the middle of the third quarter of the super bowl… not. The greatest quarterback of all time produced the greatest comeback of all time.

  58. We hear that argument from time to time but it just doesn’t hold water. The cap made New England, since it’s inception it pays to be the smartest team instead of the richest. The Patriots have mastered team building in the cap era, it’s the primary reason they win. If less accomplished front offices could just write bigger checks every year the Patriots would be facing much stiffer competition with a depleted roster. Do you really think without a cap Jerry Jones wouldn’t be the George Steinbrenner of football? Kraft has said in the past without the implementation of the cap he wouldn’t have bought the team because it would have been a noncompetitive money loser. Take away the cap and the Pats wouldn’t even be in New England anymore.
    Kraft wouldn’t have bought them and Orthwein would have moved the team to St. Louis.

    —————-

    Nailed it.

    Hint: If BB dealt Brady this year and Jimmy G was the starter. NE wins at least 10 games, as opposed to the 12 guaranteed with Brady.

    No other team’s fans can make such a statement with regards to a back up QB with such confidence.

    BB makes the Pats go, as great as Brady is. Brady is just the icing on top.

  59. Schedule is too tough for 13 wins. Carolina will rebound and like the Eagles and Ravens, they always play with a chip on their shoulder when they play the Patriots. The Patriots have to play the Saints on that carpet in New Orleans. No gimme there. In fact I’d give the Saints -3. The Pats will beat Winston’s Bucs, but still … tough game. And then there’s some team called the Falcons that will attack the Patriots in New England with the same apocalyptic fervor the Seahawks did last season. And these are just the four non-conference games.

  60. It’s funny, the NFL has the best model without question of any pro sports league for keeping things even. The league as a whole is just basically a jumble of teams that can go anywhere from 8-8 to 11-5 depending on injuries and how the ball bounces any given Sunday. Then there are usually 2 or 3 top flight teams. That’s exactly what the league wants.

    However, the Pats are the one team that has the whole thing figured out year after year, and people can’t stand it (including myself). It really makes the league as a whole less interesting for everyone except Patriot fans. It’s no wonder Goodell hates them.

    Until Brady and Bill finally decide they are tired of winning, we’re all just along for the ride.

  61. For all those who think this ends when Brady wraps it up I wouldn’t bet on it. There is no doubt Belichick believes he can win with Jimmy or else he would have traded him for a boatload.

  62. Serious question for a naive Millennial like you:

    What is your evidence or reason as to why Brady “falls off” this year.

    What on god’s green earth are you seeing that would make that a true premise?

  63. justtherealfacts says:
    May 8, 2017 9:28 PM
    sounds about right since they have had 6 automatic wins against the cfl teams that round out their division for the last decade.

    Stick em in a the afc north over the last decade and their a 10 win team at best.

    ————–

    Really? The Pats swept the AFC North last year and pounded the Steelers a 2nd time for good measure.

  64. psousa1 says:
    May 9, 2017 10:30 AM
    billybone says:
    May 8, 2017 7:59 PM
    I’m no Pats fan but Brady will give Father Time a run for his money. Why?..because Brady rarely gets hit. He’s so precise and quick with his throws he just needs to keep his mind right and stand back there and handoff or wing it. If anybody is going to beat the Pats it’s gonna be as the Giants showed us all with constant pressure up front. The minute d-lines start pressuring Brady and smacking him in the face, Brady can’t stand the heat and his cage is rattled.
    –—————————————————————

    Billy – big difference between ‘getting smacked in the face’ and not having time to throw. Atlanta tuned up Brady like no other team did all year but when he had time to pass he was surgical. The Giants in the SB vs. NE? They did not knock the snot out of him like Atlanta did. They did not give him time to pass.

    ———

    As a Patriots fan, I disagree. Yes, in the 1st half, Atlanta got to Brady time and again sent him to the ground. By any definition, they were dominating. By the time Atlanta figured out that the game is 60 minutes, they were exhausted and the most mentally-tough team in the league, with the best halftime adjustments, and with the most experience–won. If Atlanta is playing any other team, they are Super Bowl champs today. We’ll probably never see anything like it again.

    The Giants (in 2007 especially) pounded Brady with their front four. They rattled him and gave him no time to throw, and frequently, no one was open. This is a very rare sight, but the Giants pulled it off. They also sustained it throughout the game. Even though Brady took a beating, he did his job, putting the Pats up by 4 with 2:42 left in the game. If you’re going tho be a Super Bowl champion, you have to stop the Giants there. The Patriots ultimately did not.

    So, The Giants earned that win, even thought that last drive was one of the most improbable things I’ve ever seen–up until this year’s comeback against Atlanta.

  65. One problem with a win total that high is the Pats may have the #1 seed sewn up going into the last weekend. Their last game is at home against the Jets. I can see them resting players and basically giving the game away. They’ve done it before.

  66. Since 2010 the Pats average 12.71 wins per season. Oddsmakers know this too of course. 12.5 makes it a risky proposition. As much as a fan boy that I am I think I’d stay away from this one. I know, no guts! Boo me!

  67. “Stick em in a the afc north over the last decade and their a 10 win team at best.”

    Lol the Pats have an over .820 winning percentage vs the AFCN cupcake division over Brady’s career.

    BTW that’s the highest win % the Pats have against any division including the AFCE. So no, sticking them in the AFCN would not have reduced their win totals.

  68. “The NFL is becoming the NBA where certain teams (Patriots) get to ‘load up’ on players at a discount of their market value price. That’s why they didn’t resign Blount since Blount wants fair market value its not the Patriots way”

    I guess you don’t understand economics very well. Blount has apparently received no offers from any of the other 31 teams. That makes his “market value” what the Pats were willing to pay.

    Since he refused that offer and no other team has extended one, his market value is currently NFL minimum and if there weren’t minimums it would be zero.

    Now that may change once injuries start happening in the preseason and early regular season, but at the moment Blount’s market value is non-existent.

  69. GOAT system, GOAT coach, GOAT GM, GOAT owner, GOAT system QB = ring #6.

    Haters will just have to deal.

  70. nhpats says:
    May 9, 2017 11:22 AM
    justtherealfacts says:
    May 8, 2017 9:28 PM
    sounds about right since they have had 6 automatic wins against the cfl teams that round out their division for the last decade.

    Stick em in a the afc north over the last decade and their a 10 win team at best.

    ————–

    Really? The Pats swept the AFC North last year and pounded the Steelers a 2nd time for good measure.
    ————————————————————
    Why do the haters even try? Just accept reality. The Patriots simply are at the top of the heap and it’s not even close. That may very well change eventually but in this era no one has done it better, no one.

  71. “One problem with a win total that high is the Pats may have the #1 seed sewn up going into the last weekend. ”

    *******

    They may have it sewn up by week 12….

  72. Brady falls off fantasy is the last hope of haters. If not for the 4 game head start gifted by Goodell to other teams, Brady would had played all the games as opposed to those QBs who are younger and supposedly tougher than him yet missed games because they are brittle.

    Sorry haters. Brady is pliable. He got slammed a lot during the SB but bounced back and won. He will stretch his career a few more years and win at least one more SB. He is improving not ” falling off” in case you dreamers are not paying attention. He’ll break his own records. Just watch.
    And oh… He is already a legend.

  73. As a fan of another team in the division I’d be more than happy to see the Patriots elsewhere. But any fan of a team in another likely division should want no part of them. PFF shows their win percentage with Brady and Belichick against the AFC east as .789 but against the NFCN north it’s .875, the AFC north .848 and the NFC east .818. So go ahead fanboys and tell us again what a weak division the AFC east is when the Patriots dominate your divisions even more. Give the devils their due, the Patriots are a remorseless win machine and the best run organization in pro sports. For the rest of us the only thing really wrong with them isn’t who they are but where they are. Be honest with yourselves, if they played in your city they’d be the best thing since sliced bread.

  74. AFCN vs NE stats…all time records…

    vs Cle 11-12…playoffs 0-1
    vs Pitt 11-14….playoffs 4-1
    vs Cincy 16-9
    vs Ratbirds 8-1..playoffs 2-2

  75. Only a significant injury to a significant player is going to keep the Pats out of the Super Bowl. And since over the years it has been shown that the Pats can weather any injury, except to Brady, then as long as Brady is upright the Pats will be in the Super Bowl.

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