Tom Brady on being best QB of all time: I don’t agree with that

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Patriots quarterback Tom Brady won his fifth Super Bowl in February and it wasn’t hard to find people expressing their opinion that the victory elevated him to the top of the list of the best quarterbacks in NFL history.

One of Brady’s childhood heroes, Joe Montana, is among the other quarterbacks considered as choices for that spot and Ian O’Connor of ESPN asked Brady if he thought he’d moved past Montana during a wide-ranging interview published on Monday.

“I don’t agree with that and I’ll tell you why,” Brady said. “I know myself as a player. I’m really a product of what I’ve been around, who I was coached by, what I played against, in the era I played in. I really believe if a lot of people were in my shoes they could accomplish the same kinds of things. So I’ve been very fortunate.”

Brady has played his entire career with the Patriots while Montana moved on to the Chiefs when the 49ers opted to go with Steve Young as their starting quarterback. In the interview, Brady reiterated his plans to play for another five years or so and that might lead some to wonder if he’d play for a different team if the Patriots made a similar choice with Jimmy Garoppolo or someone else.

Brady said he doesn’t “ever want to be the weak link” and that he relishes competition with other players because “the best guy” should be the one in the lineup. Based on what we saw from Brady in 2016, it doesn’t seem like anyone else is going to be that guy in New England in the near future.

239 responses to “Tom Brady on being best QB of all time: I don’t agree with that

  1. easily the classiest and most humble
    legendary nfl player ever

    i like how he appreciates bb the gm
    and coach, realizing if
    numerous other franchises drafted him, no way
    he is as successful or even close, really

  2. In contrast to Montana Brady expresses nothing but humility yet somehow this will still be the equivalent of dropping the flag at the Trollathon 500.

  3. Brady is the best SYSTEM QB of all time. I don’t think there is any debate left.

  4. THANK YOU!!!!! I’ve been trying to explain this to Patriots fans… maybe now they will recognize it coming from the horses mouth

  5. I hate Brady and the Patriots but man that was the best answer for such a great question where as, someone with an ego or self centered will blow it off by saying something stupid. HOF QB’s will respect him for that answer and current and future QB should think the same way when given such a curve ball question to answer.

  6. Brady is the GOAT of his era… he would never have survived physically before the NFL changed the rules to protect quarterbacks.

  7. For the love of God… Please not 5 more years. I’m trying real hard here to appreciate the final years of a certain HOFers career, but it’s so hard to do when the AFC is practically locked up by the end of June and you’re left feeling sorry for whatever NFC team advances to the SB to likely face the “evil genius”.

    Enjoy it Pats fans. It’ll be decades before something like this happens again, and next time it probably won’t be your team.

  8. I hate the system QB comments. I don’t think they make much sense.

    A system QB understands his teams strengths and weaknesses versus his opponents and takes advantage of those as defined by the game plan and play calls his coaches make. EVERY QB in the league does that. Every QB plays within the system.

    Some perform well under pressure when the system breaks down. I think he does well in that regard.

    Are you advocating he ignore the play calls and do whatever the hell he wants? Or are you looking for greatness while playing on a poor team (Marino) that does not lead to success year after year after year.

    I choose success.

  9. I think that these artificial standards (e.g., how many Super Bowls, Super Bowl wins, etc.) don’t look deeply enough into a player’s performance. More important is how he stand up to the era in which he played; it’s silly to compare Brady or Manning to Unitas or Sid Luckman or Bart Starr. So many things are different in terms of the rules, medical care, travel, etc.; but what’s fair is to look at how dominant a QB was among his peers and for how long. From that perspective, Brady is clearly one of the handful of best QB’s; I’m not sure how anyone can really argue with that.

  10. And how is he supposed to answer the question? If he said anything other than this you guys would light him up even more. He will always be in a damned if you, damned if you don’t position. I know what my eyes tell me and that is he is the greatest quarterback I’ve seen in my lifetime.

    I’ve said it before an I’ll say it again – all quarterbacks are in a system. And if what Brady does is so is easy and in a league of copy cats, why isn’t every team installing the same offense? The key to any system is having the players that can execute it. There aren’t many QB’s that can read, recognize and react as quickly as this offense demands from all of its players and he excels at it.

  11. If Brady had Jerry Rice to throw to his whole career the Super Bowls would be double his 5. Humble dude and obvious GOAT. Haters gon hate. And when you’re GOAT, there should be plenty of haters at work going around

  12. It’s easy to say he’s just giving the PC answer, but when your peers are placing you among your heroes, it’d be hard to ever think you’re better than those players since your game is based off of what they brought while you were growing up. Still, he’s the best whether he wants to admit it or not.

  13. Tom grew up in San Mateo California, a 49ers fan and worshipped Joe Montana. The reality is that Tom has exceeded Montana in Super Bowl victories and in many other ways, but Joe was Tom’s childhood hero will always be the best in his eyes.
    Not only is Brady the greatest of all time, he is also the most modest and probably the classiest player the game has ever seen.

  14. I agree with Brady. The number of Super Bowls won is, at best, a flawed metric for judging QB excellence, because so many other players, and other factors, come into play.

  15. I agree! But we cannot forget how great of a NATURAL passer he is and how he innately knows how to throw catchable passes while also firing bullets at the right time… He is also one of the better fundamentalist throwers of all time, feet, torso, arm , release etc.

  16. He says this but…who are you kidding? He thinks and knows he is the BEST ever. Every great of all time could could say they are a product of their era, coach and circumstance. Montana played in a no salary cap era and had Bill Walsh as his Coach and could keep the same team together for longer periods. Brady is now and will finish his career as the best ever maybe in all of sports. If he wins 2 more championships he can blow by Jordan.

  17. I don’t either. The league has changed so drastically, it’s simply impossible to compare era’s. He’s top 5 all-time for sure. Montana, Elway, Mannning, abd Marino join him up top IMO.

    The one common characteristic is that no matter how much they earned or how much success they enjoyed between the hashmarks, each guy pushed themselves and their teammates constantly to be the best and to put in the work necessary to win Superbowls (Marino notwithstanding)

  18. Brady is the best SYSTEM QB of all time. I don’t think there is any debate left.
    —————————-
    This type of statement demonstrates a total lack of football knowledge and awareness.

    While other teams constantly surround their QBs with star RBs and WRs, Brady’s supporting cast has always been mostly made up of undrafted, late rounders, and cast offs from other teams.

    If it were the SYSTEM, every team would employ it! Why torpedo your cap with players like Antonio Brown, Bell, Julio Jones, Dez, etc, when players like Edelman (7th round QB), Chris Hogan (Buffalo cast off) will cost a fraction of the $?

    QBs like Manning, Ryan, Montana, etc NEED superstars surrounding them. Brady TURNS his cast into superstars.

  19. Fun GOAT stat:

    Tom Brady is 18-9 as a starter when he throws more than 50 times a game.

    That’s more wins in that category than Brees, Peyton, Marino and Favre…COMBINED.

    No other QB in history is over .500.

    Kind of blows up the whole system QB thing into a million little teeny tiny nest little pieces. Tee hee 🙂

    Like I said… all hail the king!

    🙂

  20. I’m really a product of what I’ve been around, who I was coached by, what I played against, in the era I played in. I really believe if a lot of people were in my shoes they could accomplish the same kinds of things.
    ===========================
    Exactly! Product of a great team, defense and incredible coach as well as a product of a weak division year in and year out. Matt Cassel put up some great numbers and wins in that QB friendly system too. Brady is right! Brees would have the same amount of titles or more if he were with the Patriots and Brady would have 1 measly Super Bowl win, like Brees, if he were with the Saints. TRUTH!

  21. Bizzareslantpass says:
    May 15, 2017 10:37 AM
    Well, looks like Brady confirms what I have believed all along.

    ___________________

    It’s called humility. We all could learn to use a little.

    Just like you’ll never ever hear, or have ever heard, Brady bad-mouth another player, teammate or coach. He is not one to toot his own horn and will downplay his individual success to a team success.

    Every player in the NFL and every sport could learn a few things about humility from TB12.

  22. “In contrast to Montana Brady expresses nothing but humility yet somehow this will still be the equivalent of dropping the flag at the Trollathon 500.

    I have no problem with Montana’s public persona, but this comment made me laugh out loud.

  23. It’s hard to compare eras as evidenced what Unitas, Graham and Starr did before the Super Bowl era and the passing game was unleashed. Look up their records which were remarkable in their time. Later, what Elway and Montana did too also staked their claim to greatness (Elway in particular carried mediocre teams to the SB until his last 2 seasons). Could anyone of those guys have done what Brady has if placed in the exact same situation or Brady in their’s? Maybe, maybe not. Brady answered with humility and in the right way so how about we leave at this: Brady is the greatest QB of his generation and of the 21st century so far.

  24. The surrounding cast that Brady so humbly gives all the credit to has constantly changed over the years. Wies, McDaniel’s, O’Brien, back to McDaniel’s. Brown/Patten, Branch/Givens, Gaffney/Caldwell, Moss/Welker. Gronk/Hernandez, Gronk/Edelman, Gronk/Cooks/Edelman

    but the one offensive constant to the teams success has been humble Tom Brady.

  25. @patsfan4lifesbchamps I think the most impressive thing about Brady is how the Patriots system is constantly changing. I hate to do a Manning comparison, but Peyton ran the same system his whole career(even at Denver he slowly morphed them into basically running the Colts offense). He ran the same handful of plays over and over every week. Everyone in the league knew what the Colts were going to come at them with. They would throw in some changeups every week based on the opponent, but the bulk of their playbook never really changed. Manning just understood everything it that system so well he was ready for whatever the defense did and could out-execute them.

    Brady and the Patriots are always changing based on their personnel and their opponent that week. Neither method is wrong. Obviously, both QB’s had success. I’m just always amazed at how often the Patriots offense re-creates itself.

  26. It’s a no-win question.. which itself indicates that Brady is the best quarterback of all time.

    If he answers yes, then he gets hammered for being full of himself and having a bloated head.

    If he answers no, then he gets hammered for being a system quarterback that “anyone” could have success in.

    The simple fact is that he wisely chose to acknowledge that football is not an “I” sport, but a “team” sport. If you doubt Brady isn’t the best, then I challenge you to put on the final minutes of Super Bowl LI, when the Patriots start their drive to try and tie the game, and watch the faces of the players on Atlanta’s bench. Go ahead and ask yourself, if you aren’t a Patriots fan if you didn’t say to yourself “oh oh,” when it became clear New England and Brady were going to have a chance to tie the game.

    And when they won the coin toss.. be honest.. who really thought Brady wasn’t going to drive that team down the field for six points? The entire NFL fan base knew what was coming from the greatest of all time… and the team he plays for.

  27. Brady knows he’s surpassed everyone in football, including Montana. At this point, it’s still Michael Jordan in modern team sports and Brady can’t match that dominance. Brady is too humble to mention that he surpassed Montana, but the numbers don’t lie. Brady will let others define him, but SB 51 was Brady’s personal stamp on ending any Montana debate.

  28. He’s a system quarterback, in that he understands his and his opposition’s system better than any other quarterback in history. Dunk and dunk? Soft touch passes? Check. Rockets through tiny passing windows to 15 yards? Check. Occasional deep ball? Check. High completion percentage and minimal turnovers? Check. Get on everyone’s a$$ and make them better? Check. Another championship on the way? Check.

    You mouth breathers who think a QB has to be Favrean, “gunslinging” INTs to opposing CBs, keep on denying the greatness.

  29. He’s 100% right. If you plugged any of these guys into his spot… Marino, Montana, Unitas, Graham, Rodgers, Warner, Kelly, Aikman, Fouts… they would have been just as successful, likely more so. He’s a very good quarterback who is fortunate to have played for Belichick throughout his career.

    It’s also impossible to overlook the fact that his success is tainted by a cheating scandal. That stain will stay with him forever.

  30. Respect to Brady for understanding the truth, he’s a product of the system. Now if we can only get the short sided Pat’s fans and media to realize this.

  31. IMHO, he’s not the most “talented” QB of all time. But, he certainly has been the most successful. I think there are several QBs who were/are more talented, including Rodgers and Marino. But, he’s the “best” QB of this era, no question. You can’t minimize the wins and trophies.

    Plus, he deserves kudos for the humility, which I think is genuine.

    On the other hand, IMHO, Belichick is BY FAR the best coach and game manager of this era, and maybe even all time (Lombardi? Walsh? Chuck Noll?).

    Packers Fan

  32. Sorry to disagree with you Tom, but yes – yes you are.

    It is no longer up for debate. Joe can keep telling his wife that he is the greatest of all time while she rolls her eyes at him again.

  33. Brady is the best for 5 reasons,
    1. Regular season stats. In his era Brady is consistently among the leaders.
    2. SB. Everyone plays with the same rules but there are more teams now so the it’s harder get to a SB.
    3. Leadership. Brady keeps the team 1st mentality, some guys are uncoachable or need a certain system. Other QB are looting the cash drawer while the team goes down in flames (yes Flacco I’m looking at you)
    4. Supporting cast. Brady won with differant styles smash mouth with Dillon and Blount or airing it out with Welker and Moss
    5. Clutch. No QB has been behind and led comebacks as many times on the biggest stage. He is the best clutch QB ever.

  34. “what I played against,” – I couldn’t help but think he meant having two extra bye weeks by having the Bills in the division helped his career.

  35. Always said he is the greatest in the modern era, but if he were to play before the rule change on the way a defensive player could hit a QB, I don’t think he would be as successful. It is no secret he does not like to be hit. It is easier to be a QB today just as it is more difficult to be a defensive player in today’s NFL.

  36. touchdownroddywhite says:
    May 15, 2017 10:45 AM

    For the love of God… Please not 5 more years. I’m trying real hard here to appreciate the final years of a certain HOFers career, but it’s so hard to do when the AFC is practically locked up by the end of June and you’re left feeling sorry for whatever NFC team advances to the SB to likely face the “evil genius”.

    Enjoy it Pats fans. It’ll be decades before something like this happens again, and next time it probably won’t be your team.

    Pats fans don’t need to be told it won’t last forever. Your exasperation comes from the hope that your crappy team will at least have a 1-in-32 chance at something other than failure once Brady retires.

  37. mazenblue says:
    May 15, 2017 10:46 AM
    If Brady had Jerry Rice to throw to his whole career the Super Bowls would be double his 5. Humble dude and obvious GOAT. Haters gon hate. And when you’re GOAT, there should be plenty of haters at work going around.

    —————————————————————–

    Montana won 2 Super Bowls before Rice ever played ONE DOWN with the 49ers,

    That being said, Brady is top 3 All-Time.

  38. The correct answer is always Johnny Unitas anyway. But yeah, at least Brady has perspective. Best of this era for sure though just like Montana was of his, and even though people who try to tear them down point to their favorable circumstances to discredit them, both the 49ers and Patriots were losing (even though the Patriots not as much as the 49ers were in light of Parcells recent time there) before they took over.

  39. Brady is the greatest of the FA and salary cap era, beyond that the argument is silly. But the ‘system’ and ‘he couldn’t have done it back in the day’ comments are even dumber. Every QB that ever played did it as part of an offense and every offense is in itself a system. The argument that somehow it diminishes what a player does inside it just shows how little the person making it knows about the game itself. As for the ‘back in the day’ folks, give it a rest. You don’t know what Brady would have done then anymore than you know what (insert your hero here) would do now. For those that feel compelled to make the argument then in the entire Super Bowl era if anything Brady should get bonus points for playing in his portion of it. The deck was so heavily stacked in Montana’s favor during his era that any comparison falls on it’s face. Prior to true FA and the cap once team was assembled it was the owner’s checkbook that determined how long it stayed together. There was a much bigger separation between the few haves and the many have nots than there is now.

    I am a Dolphins fan of a certain age. I have seen all the QB’s from Starr to Brady play in their primes. Starr was a true leader of men, Marino was the best pure passer I ever saw, Montana was the most physically gifted, Tarkenton had the best legs and near field vision and Tom Brady is without a doubt the smartest. As great as he was Peyton Manning doesn’t belong in the conversation with any of them. Beyond that all I can say is anyone that can’t see Brady’s greatness is simply blinded by the uniform he wears.

  40. He’s in the discussion. Greatest of the salary cap error? There’s a debate between him and Peyton, but I’d give it to Brady (as a Steelers fan, I’d rather not).

    GOAT? It’s easy to forget there was a lot of football before the Superbowls. Otto Graham. Sammy Baugh. Johnny U. Brady is in the discussion, but you almost have to break it up by eras.

  41. Good answer, Tom.

    GOAT discussion are almost impossible between eras. The game kind of looks the same – but it wasn’t and it isn’t.

    Unitas. Montana. Brady.

    Pick one of those three – any one – and honestly, you’re not really “wrong.”

  42. Tom Brady is a humble player and understands his “own” greatness in terms of “team” – NOT individual accolades.
    People will argue the G.O.A.T. title – but it’s never been said that HE has placed himself on THAT pedestal and he wont.

    Signed – Dolphin Fan

  43. Prior to the Patriots latest super bowl victory, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, and Tom Brady had four super bowl victories each. I don’t recall there being a consensus that these three guys were all tied as the 3 greatest QBs to ever play the game. So obviously there isn’t a consensus that the number of super bowl wins is the only determining factor in the argument about the greatest of all time. Lots of people think Dan Marino was the best ever, and he didn’t win one super bowl. Some think it’s Peyton Manning. Some think John Elway. Some Otto Graham. Johnny Unitas. I have no problem with the fans of any of these QBs considering their guy as the best ever.

  44. mazenblue,

    I don’t know if you realize this, but Brady played with Randy Moss about as long as Montana played with Rice, lol. Look it up, and we know who won with his elite talent at WR and who didn’t. Just saying. When Patriot fans make silly arguments like this, you sound almost as stupid as the Brady haters who try to reduce him to a nobody because of who his coach has been.

  45. mazenblue says:
    May 15, 2017 10:46 AM

    If Brady had Jerry Rice to throw to his whole career the Super Bowls would be double his 5. Humble dude and obvious GOAT. Haters gon hate. And when you’re GOAT, there should be plenty of haters at work going around

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    “Haters gon hate.”

    Educate yourself.

    Montana played with Rice for only 2 Super Bowls.

    The first Super Bowl he won with a bunch of no-names on offense.

    The second one (against Marino) his best receiver was a running back – Roger Craig.

    If you get the chance, watch the 1989 Super Bowl. The 49ers went up against John Elway (HOF) and Denver’s #1 ranked defense. Destroyed them 55 – 10. Utter domination, and Montana made it look easy. Never seen anything like that in the biggest game of the year, the Super Bowl.

    That being said. Brady is unquestionably in the top spot for his era, and probably 1a and Montana 1b.

  46. After that super bowl I don’t know how anyone could argue it anymore.

  47. The most accomplished PLAYER to ever don a uniform in the history of the NFL Super Bowl era. He does not need to win another title to earn that distinction.

    Tom will never admit that he is the greatest… He has too much class. He will always be uncomfortable with that title. The opportunity he was afforded with the Patriots was not wasted, he made the most of it and then some. Ability aside , that fact along speaks volumes about his place in history.

  48. Wow, it never ceases to amaze me how unintelligent some posters are. So tainted by hatred they spout nonsense about system QB’s. All teams have a system of some sort. A good system includes talented players and a coach that can see the talent and get the most out of it.

    I have said it before, no one can anoint a player the greatest of all time, to compare different generations against one another is impossible due to items like rule changes and training. One can only say they are the best of their generation and in the conversation for best of all time.

    Brady is a great QB, an even greater teammate, and when all is said and done will probably be known for his personal greatness as well. All of the haters out there, waiting for some event to come along and truly taint his legacy are in for a big disappointment.

  49. The best of the best in any walk of life leave the rankings to others .Outside of Mohamed Ali who in fact called himself the greatest the only others to do so are wrastlers (note not wrestlers) or those insecure in their own standing .Imagine if Brady said yeah I know I am the greatest ,I have a supermodel for I wife ,look in the mirror and I see model/movie star looks an oh by the way my wife and I are approaching a billion dollars in net worth.
    Humble is the 199 th pick in the draft who still with 5 rings at 40 is still acting like he had to prove himself everyday.

  50. .
    @patsfan4life (aka I heart the Jets)

    Each week you serve up the same slop with this “system” garbage. Yet, you can’t explain what this “system” is and why former Patriots insiders like Bill Obrien, Romeo Crennel, Thomas Dimitroff, Scott Pioli, Jason Licht, and Jon Robinson don’t have enough skill among them to figure out how to stop it.

    BTW… catfishing on a football site is a clear warning sign.
    .

  51. Rodgers >= Brady
    Belichick+Brady >McCarthy+Rodgers

    Against a defense with a good pass rush, there’s no question Rodgers is better.

  52. One is reliant on the other. When TB12 came to NE, there was no “system”. Belichik has had the luxury of having one of the greatest clutch performers ever around which he could build his system. People can say TB12 isn’t the same without Belichik, but Belichik is not the same without TB12 either. Would Walsh have been as successful without Montana in the early years, or Montana without Walsh? Doubtful. With a different roster every year? Extremely doubtful.

  53. tylawspick6 says:
    May 15, 2017 10:35 AM
    easily the classiest and most humble
    legendary nfl player ever

    i like how he appreciates bb the gm
    and coach, realizing if
    numerous other franchises drafted him, no way
    he is as successful or even close, really

    _______________________________________

    I guess you never heard of Bart Starr who, by the way, won 5 championships in 7 years. Starr is the epitome of class and being humble.
    I agree with your second comment. And Brady is right.

  54. haha. wow, you boys still can’t get over the fact that he is the GOAT. Just so sad. You guys have to learn that sometimes things in life don’t go your way, it’s ok, you will survive. Your seething hatred of Brady will never change the fact that he is the GOAT. his classy remarks won’t change that fact. Every one without hatred knows he is the GOAT, including Aaron Rodgers, who stated it recently, as have dozens and dozens of other experts, pundits, etc.. It’s ok boys, you will survive

  55. then that means Matt Ryan is a system QB because he only has an average arm… every team has a SYSTEM!!! some are just employ a system and make a QB fit into whatever system they think works

  56. The people who are not considered system qbs rely on their running ability and athleticism traits that running backs normally have. QBs have to be system passers first

  57. scmems07 says:
    May 15, 2017 11:04 AM

    Respect to Brady for understanding the truth, he’s a product of the system. Now if we can only get the short sided Pat’s fans and media to realize this.
    ————————–

    Every great quarterback is the product of some sort of system. Now, if we can only get jetsfan4life1sbwinb4moonlanding to realize it also.

  58. I mean with the rules the way they are today I’d almost have to say Marino would possibly be the best of all time (I still believe it’s Montana)

    Marino though put up over 5k yards in 84. He’d be putting up over 6k in this new era of wide open offenses..you just wouldn’t be able to stop him.

  59. You can’t really compare stats from different eras in the game.

    But you most absofreakinglutely certainly can compare wins and rings. 🙂

    Brady is on top of the mountain in the categories that matter.

    🙂

  60. Is Brady the best ever, who knows but he is in the conversation.

    Is Belichick the best ever, the same answer.

    Now put arguably one of the best QB’s with one of the best coaches together and what do you have, the PATS winning record since Brady became a starter.

    The question of who gets the credit, the answer is both of them were necessary for the success of the other one.

  61. There is no debate he is the Greatest Quarterback to ever play the game. His performance last year from start to finish ended all discussion. Just to add insult to injury ,for all you critics out there , the man exudes class in everything he does.

  62. As a guy I really want to dislike Tom garners a lil more respect from me everytime I hear him quoted. He appears to be as humble a human being as ever gave a statement.

  63. If Montana got to play 16 years for a Super Bowl contender and got to play for Belichick instead of against him he’d have a lot more Super Bowls too.

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    mazenblue says:
    May 15, 2017 10:46 AM
    If Brady had Jerry Rice to throw to his whole career the Super Bowls would be double his 5. Humble dude and obvious GOAT. Haters gon hate. And when you’re GOAT, there should be plenty of haters at work going around

  64. These people on here telling us what Brady teally meant. How do you know? How about we take tje statement for what it is and not try tell us how he really feels.

  65. agbnewfoundlaw says:
    May 15, 2017 11:54 AM
    I mean with the rules the way they are today I’d almost have to say Marino would possibly be the best of all time (I still believe it’s Montana)

    Marino though put up over 5k yards in 84. He’d be putting up over 6k in this new era of wide open offenses..you just wouldn’t be able to stop him
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    As a Pats fan I remember fearing Marino, I have always thought that from a pure talent perspective he may be the most talented QB ever. The fire he showed on the field was similar to what Brady shows now by the way.

    If we are to believe that Marino had that much talent, then the lack of success, as measured by SB wins, must fall on the shoulders of his coach, the venerable Mr, Shula

  66. realfootballfan says:
    May 15, 2017 11:32 AM
    mazenblue,

    I don’t know if you realize this, but Brady played with Randy Moss about as long as Montana played with Rice, lol. Look it up, and we know who won with his elite talent at WR and who didn’t. Just saying. When Patriot fans make silly arguments like this, you sound almost as stupid as the Brady haters who try to reduce him to a nobody because of who his coach has been.
    ====
    Maybe Moss was on the Patriots for the same number of seasons but Brady/Moss only played 30-something games together because Brady missed the 2008 season and Moss was traded 4 games into the 2010.

    As a side note anyone who brings up Cassel as proof that Brady is a system QB remember he had Moss plus a 16-0 team from the year before. Moss had a history of taking mediocre QBs and making them great (Culpepper/Cunningham)

  67. Enjoy it Pats fans. It’ll be decades before something like this happens again, and next time it probably won’t be your team.

    ——–

    Just in case anybody didn’t already know….Yes we Pats fans do enjoy it. We are well aware of what this team has done with the Krafts, Belichick and Brady. We are well aware that we are unlikely to see this sort of dominance again, from the Pats or any other team for that matter.

    And that is precisely why we Pats fans are on boards like this constantly defending our team. We’re not going to let ANYBODY take away what they have accomplished with ridiculous asterisk, system QB, and “someday” comments.

  68. Ok haters – time for remedial football class again.

    There are 53 players on a team.

    There are 11 on the field for each team.

    There is coaching staff of about 15 who are involved with the team.

    That could be said to represent a ‘system’.

    Therefore every QB and every other man is a SYSTEM player.

    So…..the best system QB is the best QB.

    If you don’t understand the basics you will have to repeat this class.

  69. Let’s be honest…if it wasn’t for the 2 biggest chokes in Super Bowl history Brady wouldn’t have won since 2005 and would be top 5 at best.

  70. terripet says:
    May 15, 2017 11:48 AM

    Brady your right about that. Manning and Montana are better than you
    ———————

    Come on, lady. Manning isn’t even in the top ten. That guy wasted years of regular season success, and had 2 Super Bowl victories that he had virtually no part in.

  71. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    May 15, 2017 10:38 AM

    Brady is the best SYSTEM QB of all time. I don’t think there is any debate left.
    ————————————————
    No way. There has to have been at least a dozen better system QB’s.
    In general though I agree with you skippy; Brady’s all-time ranking should be right between Matt Schaub and Stan Humphries.

  72. Tom Brady on being best QB of all time: I don’t agree with that
    _______________

    I agree with brady.

  73. The thing that most haters (if not all) won’t understand is that Brady in his heart of hearts will never acknowledge that he is the best.

    In NE, we saw him when he was just starting out. Early success lead to anything but an inflated ego. He was still the first to practice EVERY DAY. He consistently brought his offensive line out to dinner, deferring to them even in press conferences for his success because they kept him upright. He bought the OL gifts and demanded that they be included in ads that companies wanted him in, to get them extra income.

    He is never satisfied to stay put. He works to improve constantly.

    He is the player that lead by example in renegotiating his contract to benefit the team, helping to put the best team around him possible on the field.

    He’ll never admit that he is the best, but if you look at his full body of work you, too, will probably come to the conclusion that he is.

  74. daytontriangles says:
    May 15, 2017 11:03 AM
    You have the Giants and two miracle catches to thank for the fact that Brady’s G.O.A.T. status is even open for debate.

    This is probably true but he’s also two BONEHEADED coaching decisions away from not even being in the discussion.

  75. Just YouTube the 1987 49ers and Browns Game. You’ll see the Greatest QB of All Time, Greatest WR of All Time, Greatest NT of All Time, Greatest FS of All Time, and the Greatest Head Coach of All
    Time.

  76. It’s not his place to say he is the GOAT. It’s the overwhelming majority of football fans that claim it. This all just proves it for the minority.

  77. boisestatewhodat says:
    May 15, 2017 11:13 AM
    Dude has 5 rings…if he’s not the GOAT, who is?
    ———————————————————

    Trent Dilfer has more rings than Dan Marino and Dan Fouts, so he was a better quarterback, right?

    Earl Campbell never won a ring but Kevin Faulk has three, so Faulk is better than Earl.

    News flash: Football is a team sport. Bad players have won rings and great players haven’t.

  78. There is no GOAT … in anything. Once you get into the top 5 “greatest” they are all pretty damn amazing. Brady (and I HATE the Pats) is in that top 5.

  79. BayAreaBrownsBacker says:
    May 15, 2017 10:34 AM
    Yes, we don’t agree as well.

    Regards,

    Mr. Asterisk

    So you’re signing your insult “Mr. Asterisk”?

    Did anybody ever teach you how to write a letter? You know you sign your own name after “Regards”, right?

    I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Brady haters are also poorly educated.

  80. “Brady is the GOAT of his era…”

    That literally makes no sense. Greatest of All Time of his era?

    I guess you guys don’t do temporal qualifiers either.

  81. canedaddy says:
    May 15, 2017 12:46 PM
    boisestatewhodat says:
    May 15, 2017 11:13 AM
    Dude has 5 rings…if he’s not the GOAT, who is?
    ———————————————————

    Trent Dilfer has more rings than Dan Marino and Dan Fouts, so he was a better quarterback, right?

    Earl Campbell never won a ring but Kevin Faulk has three, so Faulk is better than Earl.

    News flash: Football is a team sport. Bad players have won rings and great players haven’t.

    Ever notice how the Dilfers of the QB world can win one ring but it’s never more than that?

    There’s a good reason for that.

    🙂

  82. fritz96 says:
    May 15, 2017 12:28 PM

    Let’s be honest…if it wasn’t for the 2 biggest chokes in Super Bowl history Brady wouldn’t have won since 2005 and would be top 5 at best.
    —————————

    And if it hadn’t been for 2 improbable catches, he would be 7-0 in Super Bowls.

    People conveniently forget how well Brady played, in both of his most recent Super Bowl wins, to get the Patriots in position to eventually win.

  83. News flash: Football is a team sport. Bad players have won rings and great players haven’t.

    There is certainly something to that…but no bad players have won five rings.

    A great defense can carry a weak QB to a title, but those QBs have never won more than one ring.

  84. Gotta love that humble attitude. It doesn’t go very far in explaining all his SB records though. The haters don’t watch him play. They just jump online and spew their hatred born of jealousy. Being a system QB cannot explain his success. His success is best explained by his overwhelming desire to win . Period. Actual players know this. Hate spewing fans from opposing teams just look for an excuse where there isn’t one.

  85. Being a Pats fan I had my doubts about the GOAT since that is a pretty high mark. During SB51 in the 2nd half when it was 3rd and long or even the 4th down play I said ok Tom if you are the GOAT show me and he did. Amazing and all the haters remember how you loved playing the Pats BB (Before Brady/Belicheck!). This year will be even a bigger test given their schedule.

  86. I dislike the Pats and Brady, but to be a real fan you have to recognize greatness. Certainly Brady is the best of his era. And if you compare eras, it is hard to say another QB dominated his era like Brady. I believe Brady answered the way anyone should, save Lebron James. He will tell you he’s the best all the time.

    That said, maybe Bart Starr enters in. His team dominated for years. But quite a few HOFr’s around him.

    I must confess an allegiance to Johnny U. Tough guy. Invented to the 2 minute offense. Father of the modern passing game.

    In this topic, isn’t the question, what QB do you fear at the end of game with one last possession? May still be Brady. But certainly others enter in.

    I know he has zero championships, and yes many of you will laugh, but I still feel Dan Marino may be the best QB I ever saw. You are allowed to beat me down on that. And I am not a Dolphins fan at all.

  87. Ok haters I will play……..You say that Brady is a system QB and without this system he would just be an average QB…So basically you are saying that even after Brady leaves the Patriots are still going to be great.I’ll take that…But if you say that the Patriots will start being like your team and lose when Brady leaves,then basically you are admitting that Brady is the GOAT…..Which is it????

  88. Due to different eras and the number of great quarterbacks over the years it’s impossible to say one is the greatest. Brady is certainly among the best but anyone being honest can’t say “THE” best. Another fluff story with fabrication by an outlet who is known to skewer the facts!

  89. Can’t call anyone the best. There are to many great quarterbacks over the years that played in different eras. He is among the best. Stick to facts instead of opinion.

  90. Before it was ‘Brady is not a system QB”… and now that Brady has admitted to it it’s “Every QB is a system QB”. So which is it Pats fans? System or non-system QB? Can’t be both lol

  91. Pats fans need to stop making excuses for the Giants losses. Brady had the highest scoring offense in history and got 14 points. That’s where the blame belongs, not on 1 fluky catch.

  92. ricko1112 says:
    May 15, 2017 10:54 AM

    QBs like Manning, Ryan, Montana, etc NEED superstars surrounding them. Brady TURNS his cast into superstars.
    ——————-

    I disagree with that, at least in terms of Manning. Yes, Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne were really good, but who else? He went to Denver and broke records with who, exactly? No one there has exactly lit it up WITHOUT Manning. Not a whole lot of guys left Peyton and went on to amazing careers. Pierre Garcon’s been decent. Reggie Wayne was good with Luck throwing to him. Other than that? Who? Demariyus Thomas hasn’t done squat, Emmanuel Sanders has been pedestrian. Julius Thomas? Brandon Stokely? Austin Collie? C’mon man.

  93. Easy to write him off as a “system” qb if you happen to hate the Patriots, but EVERYONE is a system QB. Montana was a product of the Walsh offense, and he always had great weapons around him (Clark, Rice, Taylor, Craig, etc.). The entire Colts organization was built around Manning, always making sure that he had top weapons to throw to (Harrison, Wayne, Clark, etc.). Marino was a great passer but wasn’t good enough to elevate his game to win even a single Super Bowl. Now Brady takes whatever jetsam and flotsam that BB hands him and turns the team in to a 12 win SB contender. He plays his best in the biggest moments against the best teams. He makes everyone he plays with better, and doesn’t consider himself above the team ever (his comments on this very thread demonstrate that). Humility may cause you to believe that, Tom, but I’m hear to tell you that you’re the greatest football player I’ve ever seen, and I’ve seen em all since 1972 when I became a fan.

  94. Brady, but it is true about anyone. Every player is a product of what is around them. QBs are ruined by having to go through 5 Head coaches and 9 Offensive Coordinators, they’re ruined by having lousy defenses, bad O-lines, etc. Other QBs are elevated by having tough Ds, strong O-lines etc.

    To say he is not the best pure QB skill wise is not an insult. It’s true.

    However, when you combine those good skills with the benefits he’s had in the consistency of Patriots he’s in the GOAT discussion

  95. I don’t buy GOAT argument for ANYONE. For the same reasons youcantcompare an 80’s vintageFerrari’s speed and handling to a 2017 model you cant compare the best QB’s from the 80’s to the best QB’s of today. Rule changes, training physiology advancements, equipment advances, nutrition science, all of these factors and others I haven’t even mentioned make these kinds of comparisons irrelevant and useless. Better to say Brady is the best of his generation, which is arguably true.

    P.S. I am a Giants fan and since Eli Manning has beaten Brady TWICE in the Super Bowl I guess that makes HIM the GOAT right!!!!!

  96. i’m not a brady’s fan after all the cheating allegations, but I respect him for this.
    best of luck!

  97. I’ve seen em all since 1972 when I became a fan.
    =========================
    What when you were 1 year old? Humans don’t start remembering events until 3 years old

  98. mixjuan says:
    May 15, 2017 12:31 PM
    The thing that most haters (if not all) won’t understand is that Brady in his heart of hearts will never acknowledge that he is the best.

    You must be Brady best friend to know what he means when he is speaking. He must have told you when you cleaned out the mess he left in your wife.

    He is the player that lead by example in renegotiating his contract to benefit the team, helping to put the best team around him possible on the field.

    Spotracspotrac
    NFL Player Earnings NFL Player Earnings
    Listing the top salaries, cap hits, cash, earnings, contracts, and bonuses, for all active NFL players.

    PLAYER CAREER EARNINGS
    1 Eli Manning Career Earnings QUARTERBACK $205,780,004
    2 Tom Brady Career Earnings QUARTERBACK $196,166,804
    3 Drew Brees Career Earnings QUARTERBACK $181,710,422
    4 Philip Rivers Career Earnings QUARTERBACK $173,917,656

    What discount Brady always gets paid market value

  99. “Before it was ‘Brady is not a system QB”… and now that Brady has admitted to it it’s “Every QB is a system QB”. So which is it Pats fans?”

    1. Every team has a “system”

    2. The Pats system morphs and changes constantly, if it had stayed the same it would have been solved by other teams long ago they way the Pats solved the Steelers defense they’ve been running for 20+ years with almost no changes.

    3. If the Pats system was all that makes Brady great then you’d think the other teams would have copied it. But guess what, you can’t copy someone’s brain, which is what makes Brady great.

    4. Brady’s brilliance in changing things up on the line and his ability to see the field and process what the other team is doing in a fraction of a second is unmatched. That’s what he’s the greatest of all time at. That cannot be pigeonholed as a “system”

  100. Like I’ve said before, he plays in the PERC era, [ performance enhancing rule change era ] He never would have survived 30,40, 50 years ago

  101. wartface says:
    May 15, 2017 10:41 AM
    Brady is the GOAT of his era… he would never have survived physically before the NFL changed the rules to protect quarterbacks.

    ————-

    That’s a common misconception. It’s actually the exact opposite.

    Brady takes hits better than almost any QB. He pops right back up after the hardest hits. Look at the Seattle SB. Won. Denver AFCCG, had a chance to tie on the last play. Atl SB, won. He was killed in all 3 games. Absolutely killed.

    As for the past, Montana wouldn’t have been able to survive with the increased size and speed of today’s players. He was a skinny guy. He was targeted, but not by the DLs of today. Players and bigger, faster and stronger then ever.

    You put Brady back in that time and he would be even more dominant.

  102. This is madness. Let’s break down the facts:
    -5 Super Bowl championships
    -4 Super Bowl MVP awards
    -All time leader in playoff wins
    -All time leader in regular season winning %
    -Top 5 all time in yards, touchdowns, passer rating, 4th quarter comebacks, TD/Int ratio
    -Led the two biggest comebacks in Super Bowl history

    How some counter-arguments:
    “The Brady-led offense choked Super Bowls 42 and 46”
    Elway got embarrassed in the Super Bowl 3 years out of 4. Manning’s record setting offense got manhandled by a Patiots defense that was starting Earthwind Moreland at CB. Montana couldn’t beat the Giants in the playoffs if his life depended on it. Marino, well, ’nuff said.

    “Montana went undefeated in 4 Super Bowls”
    He also got shut out by the Giants in the playoffs, and lost at home to the 7-8-1 Vikings in ’87

    “Nobody realized how great Starr and Unitas were”
    And nobody can even agree on who was better, so how could they possibly be GOAT

    “Brady was a system QB”
    The west coast offense was not a system?

    “Brady was carried by great coaching/defenses”
    Bill Walsh, Don Shula, Tony Dungy and Vince Lombardi weren’t great coaches? The Patriots defenses were severely flawed from 2005 – 2013, and their 2011 defense was all time bad.

  103. nope, great for this ERA of pass happy rules, rules protecting him from any sort of real contact, rules protecting his receivers from actually having to do anything but run six yards and turn around….doesnt call his own plays,

    losing to a vastly inferior team twice in the SB (eli owns him)

    and no matter how many times they try, the asterisks will follow him to this overrated HOF induction…and into eternity…

  104. …..wanted to add: the last two superbowl ‘wins’ were giftwrapped by seattle with The Worst Call in Superbowl History, and then again against the falcons, who were one running play from winning….again, a giftwrapped one…

    sorry, no g.o.a.t.

  105. Glac1- OK let’s stick to the facts. No other QB has played in SEVEN Super Bowls and won FIVE. No other QB has come from behind like he did in the last Super Bowl, though I do recall Manning being UNABLE to come back & lose 45-8 to Seattle, the SAME team Tom beat , after coming from behind 14 points, not once but twice.
    Look @ super bowl records, Tom owns most of them.
    As the great Bill Parcels said- you are what your record says you are.

  106. “Montana went undefeated in 4 Super Bowls”

    —-
    Gimme 5 gold medals and two silvers over just 4 gold medals any day.

    🙂

  107. sb44champs says:
    May 15, 2017 1:22 PM

    Before it was ‘Brady is not a system QB”… and now that Brady has admitted to it it’s “Every QB is a system QB”. So which is it Pats fans? System or non-system QB? Can’t be both lol
    ————————-

    Patriots fans know he is a system quarterback. Of course, the bozos fail to comprehend that Brady is part of the system.

    What Patriots fans negatively react to is that idiot Jets fan that constantly spews the nonsense that a high school quarterback could be inserted into the Patriot’s lineup and proceed to win 5 Super Bowls out of 7.

  108. losing to a vastly inferior team twice in the SB (eli owns him)


    Eli is 0-1 against Brady and the Patriots since the end of the 2011 season.

    🙂

    #JustSayin
    #ThatAintOwningAnything
    #TeeHeeThePastIsAllPatriotHaterHas
    #GetWithTheTimes

  109. fritz96 says:
    May 15, 2017 1:25 PM
    Pats fans need to stop making excuses for the Giants losses. Brady had the highest scoring offense in history and got 14 points. That’s where the blame belongs, not on 1 fluky catch.

    ———

    Totally true, but who is denying that?

    Not any Patriots fans I know.

    Would have been nice for the defense to close both those games out, but you can’t win’em all.

    I would throw 2006 loss to Indy with Chicago and Rex Grossman waiting in the SB in that same bucket.

    Disappointing losses that the Patriots could have won, but they didn’t.

    It sucked to lose those games at the time, but overall it is just part of the story of the last 16 years.

  110. When discussing Brady’s accomplishments it has to be remembered by the fact he’s also the only QB to play for the greatest coach, gm and owner of his generation for 16 years. Montana had 11. Manning had Dungy for a few years and Elway for another few but spent the rest of his career playing for Kubiak, Caldwell, Fox and Irsay. Marino had Shula, but the rest of the team was never that talented. And as for Montana not being able to beat the Giants, research who their defensive coach was. He would have done the same to Brady.

    ———————————-

    dogballssite says:
    May 15, 2017 2:06 PM
    This is madness. Let’s break down the facts:
    -5 Super Bowl championships
    -4 Super Bowl MVP awards
    -All time leader in playoff wins
    -All time leader in regular season winning %
    -Top 5 all time in yards, touchdowns, passer rating, 4th quarter comebacks, TD/Int ratio
    -Led the two biggest comebacks in Super Bowl history
    -Montana couldn’t beat the Giants in the playoffs if his life depended on it.

  111. “Brady was carried by great coaching/defenses”
    Bill Walsh, Don Shula, Tony Dungy and Vince Lombardi weren’t great coaches? The Patriots defenses were severely flawed from 2005 – 2013, and their 2011 defense was all time bad.


    Yep.

    And as I mentioned above, Brady is 18-9 in games where he threw 50 times. That’s more wins when throwing over 50 times than Brees, Manning, Marino and Favre….combined. No other QB has ever come close to that mark, and in fact no other QB is over .500.

    That’s not exactly a guy who is being carried by his coaching. He’s the reason his team wins and he’s better at it than anyone else.

    #DontBeMadPatriotHater
    #DontCryPatriotHater
    #IOnlyPreachTheFacts
    #IOnlyPreachTheTruth
    #FactsAreFacts
    #TruthIsTruth
    #TruthHurts
    #DoesntMatterThatYouCantHandleTheTruth
    #TruthIsAllThatMatters
    #AllHailTomBrady
    #AllHailTheGOAT
    #

  112. fritz96 says:
    May 15, 2017 1:25 PM

    Pats fans need to stop making excuses for the Giants losses. Brady had the highest scoring offense in history and got 14 points. That’s where the blame belongs, not on 1 fluky catch.
    ———————–

    Kudos to the Giants defenses, but the simple fact is that the Patriots were leading in both of those Super Bowls when Brady last left the field.

    I believe it was the Broncos that had the most prolific offense ever, before being thoroughly embarrassed by the Seahawks.

  113. ftomasic1961 says:
    May 15, 2017 2:12 PM
    …..wanted to add: the last two superbowl ‘wins’ were giftwrapped by seattle with The Worst Call in Superbowl History, and then again against the falcons, who were one running play from winning….again, a giftwrapped one…

    sorry, no g.o.a.t.

    ———–

    That’s an insult to two great teams.

    You think Seattle wasn’t trying to stop Brady in the 4th quarter? Two of the most clutch drives of all time. Otherwise there is no INT to win the game.

    Same goes for the Falcons game. Brady had to put up 25 points in a quarter and a bit to tie it. He was deadly in that stretch. Atlanta couldn’t stop him.

    Not sure if you have noticed but most other QBs can’t do that.

  114. fritz96 says:
    May 15, 2017 12:07 PM
    If Montana got to play 16 years for a Super Bowl contender and got to play for Belichick instead of against him he’d have a lot more Super Bowls too.
    _________________________

    I am a Giants fan and even I find your selective definition of contender ridiculous. Your own criteria damns your argument. In saying Brady played on contenders for 16 years you count every team he started for in his ‘on a contender’ tally, including the ’08 team he started ONE game for. The 1st Pats team that won the SB was expected to finish no better than 3rd in it’s own division. The ’02 team was still rebuilding on the fly. The ’05, ’06, 09 and ’10 offenses were all undermanned, they only went as far as Brady could drag them. Using that criteria if Montana was the God you purport him to be then at the very least every one of the 11 teams he led to the playoffs were by definition contenders. Giants fans take no small measure of pride that Big Blue provided some kryptonite for both Brady and Montana. I think it’s a fool’s errand comparing them but if I had to choose one of them over the other it would be Brady. He has dominated his era in a way that Montana did not even though Montana was more entertaining to watch doing it. Brady is

    By the way Joe Montana played for Bill F Walsh, the best offensive mind of the SB era.

  115. I love the comments that Brady wouldn’t have been able to play prior eras of the game and he’d get hit all the time blah blah dee blah.

    Brady gets hit all the time today by guys who are much bigger, faster and stronger than anyone back then and he pops right back up. And it hasn’t gone unnoticed by the guys who hit him.

    I think Brady can handle the simple playbooks of the past where the most complicated play was pass deep left post. Oooh so tough! 🙂

    Brady would own any era in this league. No doubt about it.

    #DontBeMadPatriotHater
    #TheTruthIsTheTruth
    #IOnlyPreachTruthAndFactsCupcakes
    #LearnToLikeItCauseIAintGoingAnywhere
    #TeeToThaHee

  116. ftomasic1961 says:
    May 15, 2017 2:10 PM
    nope, great for this ERA of pass happy rules, rules protecting him from any sort of real contact, rules protecting his receivers from actually having to do anything but run six yards and turn around….doesnt call his own plays,

    losing to a vastly inferior team twice in the SB (eli owns him)

    and no matter how many times they try, the asterisks will follow him to this overrated HOF induction…and into eternity…

    ———-

    What universe are you living in?

    He is consensus greatest of all time. It’s over. There is no asterisk and there never has been one and never will be one.

  117. “…..wanted to add: the last two superbowl ‘wins’ were giftwrapped by seattle with The Worst Call in Superbowl History,”

    That’s an emotional statement ignoring the facts.

    The facts are that Lynch was given the ball 5 times on 4th and 1 earlier in that season, and only got the first down ONCE. That’s why they called the pass play at that point, because Lynch had choked away 4th and 1 opportunities 80% of the time that season.

    As to the Falcons game it ignore the fact that even though the Falcons screwed up that play call, the Pats then had to put together 40-50 perfectly executed plays to get the win.

  118. fritz96 says:
    May 15, 2017 1:25 PM

    Pats fans need to stop making excuses for the Giants losses. Brady had the highest scoring offense in history and got 14 points. That’s where the blame belongs, not on 1 fluky catch.

    —–
    Soooo… when the Patriots lose it’s all on Brady… but when they win – nope football is a team sport.

    Makes sense.

    🙂

    #CantHaveItBothWays

  119. He is simply the best and I actually appreciate his humility.

    And until some QB wins 6 times he will remain the GOAT.

    Consider this….Peyton Manning won 2 times.

    Joe Namath, Brad Johnson and Joe Flacco won once.

  120. There is no asterisk and there never has been one and never will be one.


    Sure there is! 🙂

    *Winningest QB of all time, more Super Bowl rings (5) than anyone that ever played the game, holder of multiple NFL passing records in numerous categories, closing in on more records before his career is over, winner of 4 Super Bowl MVPs including the past one, winner of 2 league MVPs, greatest of all time period.

  121. For those aruing the whole system QB thing from either perspective, I think it’s probably a waste of time (despite the fact I have argued it myself before). There is no such thing as a system QB. All QBs success or fail partially because of their coaching, scheme and surrounding players. A great QB needs toughness, arm strength, accuracy, mobility, quick decision making and intelligence. Someone stronger in one area then another can still be equally successful.

    What ever combo Brady has of skills he possesses, teammates he plays with, coaching and scheme, he has thrived more than any other QB before him. He’s deserving of whatever praise he receives.

  122. steelcurtainn says:
    May 15, 2017 11:48 AM
    Montana is the best I ever seen.

    ////////////

    Wow, so you haven’t watched an NFL game since 2001?

  123. ftomasic1961 says:
    May 15, 2017 2:12 PM
    …..wanted to add: the last two superbowl ‘wins’ were giftwrapped by seattle with The Worst Call in Superbowl History, and then again against the falcons, who were one running play from winning….again, a giftwrapped one…

    sorry, no g.o.a.t.

    ————–

    How is BB’s BRILLIANT call inducing Carroll’s call to throw on 2nd down, with BB showing 7 D Linemen to force a throw, and with BB knowing the play was coming, somehow “the worst call in SB history”, when one could easily argue BB not taking a timeout there and letting Carroll panic, was arguably the GREATEST CALL IN SB HISTORY?

  124. No one else would agree either. Brady is nothing more than a dink-and-dunk system QB on a team that bends and breaks the rules…

  125. Of course, the bozos fail to comprehend that Brady is part of the system.


    Brady IS the system.

    I think the results speak for itself.

    🙂

  126. Shady Brady not only lost two superbowls, he was a membe of a team that was involved in spygate and deflategate. Joe Montana, Terry Bradsahaw for Bart Starr among other greats weren’t. This guy is not the greatest of all time. Joe Montana was.

  127. That’s been my argument all along. I’m just throwing Patriot logic back at the fans…

    —————————–

    Soooo… when the Patriots lose it’s all on Brady… but when they win – nope football is a team sport.

  128. Would have been nice for the defense to close both those games out, but you can’t win’em all.

    —————

    In an offensive era, where all defenses are gassed come the end o the 4th qtr, especially in a dome, the onus shouldn’t be on a D that only allowed 10 or 13 points for the entire game.

    I don’t expect my loaded offenses to crap the bed with mediocre play from Brady either. Sorry.

    If he had played a bit better in either he is 6-0 or 7-0 in SBs.

  129. “I know myself as a player. I’m really a product of what I’ve been around, who I was coached by, what I played against, in the era I played in. I really believe if a lot of people were in my shoes they could accomplish the same kinds of things. So I’ve been very fortunate.”

    That was a very classy thing say, Bravo Tom…and you are correct.

  130. Damn, Tom Brady just gave me a reason to like him and he is exactly right, so much of NFL success or non-success is based on where you land and who you have around you.

  131. tylawspick6 says:
    May 15, 2017 3:11 PM
    Would have been nice for the defense to close both those games out, but you can’t win’em all.
    —————
    In an offensive era, where all defenses are gassed come the end o the 4th qtr, especially in a dome, the onus shouldn’t be on a D that only allowed 10 or 13 points for the entire game.
    I don’t expect my loaded offenses to crap the bed with mediocre play from Brady either. Sorry.
    If he had played a bit better in either he is 6-0 or 7-0 in SBs.

    ——————–
    I don’t think you understanding of “would have been nice”.

    The whole point of my previous post was that it’s true that Brady and the offence didn’t play great. Still “would have been nice” for the defense to win. Doesn’t mean they should have won.

    Just like it was nice that Butler closed out SB 49 and it was nice that Hightower came up with a huge clutch play in SB 51. I wouldn’t blame the defense if the Patriots had lost either of those games.

  132. Kudos to the Giants defenses, but the simple fact is that the Patriots were leading in both of those Super Bowls when Brady last left the field.

    ———-

    Dude, I am as diehard as any Pats fan, but you can’t score 14-17 points in a SB or a playoff game and expect to win in this era.

    The offense vastly underperformed with wasted opportunities up the ying yang in both SBs vs the Giants.

    In many way, SB 46 is WORSE because it was a chance to atone for the Giants being a blind squirrel finding a nut in SB 42 (Tyree) and a high throw from Brady and drop from Welker.

    Your best players can’t lay eggs.

  133. hehateme2 says:
    May 15, 2017 3:01 PM
    No one else would agree either. Brady is nothing more than a dink-and-dunk system QB on a team that bends and breaks the rules…

    ————–

    You forgot 5 time Super Bowl winning QB that you would want on your team in a heartbeat.

  134. canadaldavis says:
    May 15, 2017 10:48 AM
    Top 20 at best.

    ————-

    That’s about right. Top 20 greatest athletes in any sport. Good point.

  135. wartface says:
    May 15, 2017 10:41 AM
    Brady is the GOAT of his era… he would never have survived physically before the NFL changed the rules to protect quarterbacks.
    ———–
    I love people who state this false narrative, Brady actually DID play in the era before the NFL changed the rules.

    In fact, the NFL changed the rules because the Patriots continually beat down Peyton Manning and the Colts and were physically beating down his receivers. The NFL’s darling Peyton Manning losing to the Pats on a daily basis is the real reason the league heavily enforces defensive holding now.

    Taking it a step further, most people think the QB is protected because Brady got his leg destroyed in the 2008 season, but this was in fact a rule put in place from a couple seasons prior due to Carson Palmer getting badly injured thus being called the “Carson Palmer rule”…but the uneducated Pats trolls don’t understand their own revisionist history.

  136. Belichick never forced a throw OVER THE MIDDLE. A fade route or bootleg would have been far smarter.

    ————————————–

    tylawspick6 says:

    How is BB’s BRILLIANT call inducing Carroll’s call to throw on 2nd down, with BB showing 7 D Linemen to force a throw…

  137. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    May 15, 2017 2:19 PM
    “Montana went undefeated in 4 Super Bowls”
    —-
    Gimme 5 gold medals and two silvers over just 4 gold medals any day.

    —————-

    Using that logic you can continue that comparison this way.

    Bronze means lost the championship game.
    DNP means out for the season.

    Out of the Medals means did not reach the Championship Game.

    Brady
    Gold – 5, Silver – 2, Bronze – 4, Out of the Medals 4, DNP – 1.

    Montana
    Gold – 4, Silver – 0, Bronze – 3, Out of the Medals – 7, DNP – 1.

    Not even close if you compare them that way.

  138. The west coast offense,pistol,k-gun,run and shoot etc…Every offense/defense has a system/scheme and that is the same in EVERY team sport…..What makes the Patriots system so different is it changes…1X,2X,3X,4X and now 5X SB CHAMPION which makes it so much harder for your mediocre team to copy,haters.

  139. Educate yourself.

    Montana played with Rice for only 2 Super Bowls.

    The first Super Bowl he won with a bunch of no-names on offense.

    The second one (against Marino) his best receiver was a running back – Roger Craig.

    If you get the chance, watch the 1989 Super Bowl. The 49ers went up against John Elway (HOF) and Denver’s #1 ranked defense. Destroyed them 55 – 10. Utter domination, and Montana made it look easy. Never seen anything like that in the biggest game of the year, the Super Bowl.

    That being said. Brady is unquestionably in the top spot for his era, and probably 1a and Montana 1b.

    ————-

    YOU need to educate yourself. Anyone claiming the Broncos D was great in 1989, clearly did not watch Denver play. They were good, but not great.

    Maybe if Montana wasn’t busy playing like crap and underachieving in 1985, 1986 and 1987 with 3 straight one and dones, he gets to play with Rice in more than just 2 SBs, huh?

    And, please don’t lecture fans who are older than you about who he played with….Wendell Tyler in 1981 was a very good RB who fit perfectly in the WEst Coast offense, as did Roger Craig, starting in 1983 out of Nebaraska.

    If I had to rank the best 49ers teams, it’s like this:

    1989
    1984
    1988
    1981

    The fact is, Brady plays in the cap era which clearly makes him the greatest ever for that reason alone. He’d have 3 or 4 more SBs if no cap. 2006 comes to mind, as does 2011 as 2 teams that fell short, but fell short due to the cap as much as playing poorly in the playoffs.

    BB is the greatest GM and Coach for the same reason.

  140. tylawspick6 says:
    May 15, 2017 3:30 PM

    Dude, I am as diehard as any Pats fan, but you can’t score 14-17 points in a SB or a playoff game and expect to win in this era.
    ———————–

    Yet the Patriots almost did it. Twice.

  141. I hate him, but it’s not worth arguing at this point. There’s no metric you can look at and say he’s not the best QB of all time.

    Would he have been able to do it without Belichick? That’s very much up for debate, but not whether he’s the best QB ever or not.

  142. mikespillane337 says:
    May 15, 2017 3:55 PM
    The west coast offense,pistol,k-gun,run and shoot etc…Every offense/defense has a system/scheme and that is the same in EVERY team sport…..What makes the Patriots system so different is it changes…1X,2X,3X,4X and now 5X SB CHAMPION which makes it so much harder for your mediocre team to copy,haters.

    ————

    Some fans simply don’t get it or don’t want to learn and their mental illness blocks them learning or understanding.

    BB has his teams as chameleons from season to season and week to week, which is why he likes versatility, depth and options to combat opponents. It’s why he likes higher IQ players, too.

    95% of NFL teams are too lazy to implement these things or think they don’t matter, when it’s clear they do.

    It’s the arrogance of the teams that have the same style of play from 30-40 years ago that try to pretend they don’t need to adjust to stay ahead of the curve, that make me laugh.

  143. steelcurtainn says:
    May 15, 2017 3:04 PM
    Shady Brady not only lost two superbowls, he was a membe of a team that was involved in spygate and deflategate. Joe Montana, Terry Bradsahaw for Bart Starr among other greats weren’t. This guy is not the greatest of all time. Joe Montana was.
    ——————————————–
    Montana to Rice – stickum on gloves admitted by Rice, cooking spray on jerseys by linemen. Pitt steroid use by team to recover from injuries, a tripping opponents coach. Starr is clean according to reports.

  144. canedaddy says:
    May 15, 2017 11:03 AM
    He’s 100% right. If you plugged any of these guys into his spot… Marino, Montana, Unitas, Graham, Rodgers, Warner, Kelly, Aikman, Fouts… they would have been just as successful, likely more so. He’s a very good quarterback who is fortunate to have played for Belichick throughout his career.

    It’s also impossible to overlook the fact that his success is tainted by a cheating scandal. That stain will stay with him forever.
    —————
    The real stain is the ignorant masses which will be looked back upon by future generations akin to how we look back upon the Salem Witch trials…people really thought witchcraft was a legit accusation, people didn’t understand basic science and decreed Brady as a witch so all of his haters could burn him at the stake (or on social media) just to make themselves feel better for their own barbaric lack of knowledge and poor excuses in a vain attempt to drag his character down.

    People are sorely mistaken if they think some lame finger pointing that somehow defies the laws of physics and mathematics will somehow “stain” Brady’s legacy.

    Brady is going to stand the test of time and be unanimously revered as the single greatest football player of all time, deal with it.

  145. How is BB’s BRILLIANT call inducing Carroll’s call to throw on 2nd down, with BB showing 7 D Linemen to force a throw…

    ——————–

    How is it brilliant?

    A few reasons:

    1. He wasn’t going to let their best player beat them (Lynch), so he stacked the line all but telling Seattle their intentions.

    2. This in turn induced Carroll/Bevell to take the cheese and run a play BB hoped was coming by the formation Seattle showed. Once they saw the 3 WRs they know like to lineup in a bunch from previous games where Seattle used that to throw TDs, the trap was set.

    From there, it was textbook execution by former Seahawk Browner and of course, Butler.

    What Carroll should have done to outwit BB was to run that formation, and then do 1 of 2 plays:

    1. Delayed draw to Lynch.
    2. Fade to Lockette to the strong side corner of the end zone.

    Each would have been a bit safer, but it’s a known FACT that BB knew what play was coming, based off his inducing Bevell into throwing by showing only 1 LB, no Safeties and a 7 man DL front.

    Get it?

  146. I don’t think you understanding of “would have been nice”.

    The whole point of my previous post was that it’s true that Brady and the offence didn’t play great. Still “would have been nice” for the defense to win. Doesn’t mean they should have won.

    Just like it was nice that Butler closed out SB 49 and it was nice that Hightower came up with a huge clutch play in SB 51. I wouldn’t blame the defense if the Patriots had lost either of those games.

    —-

    Fair enough..I am just saying, there is a reason why NE lost Sb 42 and Sb 46, with the D playing very well in both cases. You could argue Nink jumping offsides in SB 46, nullfiying the Moore INT or the 2 fumbles they caused, they couldn’t quite pounce on, but I think Brady’s callous safety to start the game and the offense’s lack of execution at times, when the best players needed to execute with a 17-9, 17-12 and 17-15 leads, with Edelman at nickleback or crying out loud, is more on the offense not holding up their end as opposed to another Eli Manning eyes closed lucky pass, where he’s even still wondering how he did it.

  147. I’ll go one further:

    Brady bailed himself out of SB 49 and 51 with some really poor play early in the game, with INTs, missed throws, etc, but he did not do that in SB 42 or SB46.

    Hence, the result.

    QB Era/Offensive Era

  148. The obvious point being that Brady had far more chances to win playoff games and Super Bowls than Montana. The 49ers were terrible his first couple of years and between injuries and playing for the mediocre Chiefs the window had closed. Really he only had 9 years and winning 4 Super Bowls in that timespan is more impressive than Brady’s accomplishments. Montana didn’t get to play in an era of advanced training, nutrition and rules protecting the QB.

    ———————

    I am a Giants fan and even I find your selective definition of contender ridiculous. Your own criteria damns your argument. In saying Brady played on contenders for 16 years you count every team he started for in his ‘on a contender’ tally, including the ’08 team he started ONE game for. The 1st Pats team that won the SB was expected to finish no better than 3rd in it’s own division. The ’02 team was still rebuilding on the fly. The ’05, ’06, 09 and ’10 offenses were all undermanned, they only went as far as Brady could drag them. Using that criteria if Montana was the God you purport him to be then at the very least every one of the 11 teams he led to the playoffs were by definition contenders. Giants fans take no small measure of pride that Big Blue provided some kryptonite for both Brady and Montana.

  149. realfootballfan says:
    May 15, 2017 11:32 AM
    mazenblue,

    I don’t know if you realize this, but Brady played with Randy Moss about as long as Montana played with Rice, lol. Look it up, and we know who won with his elite talent at WR and who didn’t. Just saying. When Patriot fans make silly arguments like this, you sound almost as stupid as the Brady haters who try to reduce him to a nobody because of who his coach has been.
    ———————————
    Montana/Rice 1985 – 1990 – 6 yrs
    Brady/Moss 2007,2009- 2 years (omitting 2008 due to injury)

  150. I’m just tired of this argument of “if Montana plays under the current rules he would win or do this or that, blah, blah, blah”. If there’s a time machine that can magically transport Montana to the new era, you think his 27 other contemporary QBs wouldn’t do the same thing?! That means he STILL has to compete with those QB under the same rules and win only four Super Bowls. In their own eras, Montana and Brady accomplished more than their contemporaries. Brady happens to have won one more Super Bowl than Montana. He is the most accomplished of in the Super Bowl era.

    As a Bears fan, I saw both great QBs and personally prefer Brady. YMMV.

  151. nimbushex says:
    May 15, 2017 4:02 PM
    I hate him, but it’s not worth arguing at this point. There’s no metric you can look at and say he’s not the best QB of all time.

    Would he have been able to do it without Belichick? That’s very much up for debate, but not whether he’s the best QB ever or not.

    ———–

    Thanks for not showing mental illness and being honest.

    I am a Pats fan since I was born and watching the NFL for 35 years, and I know Brady wouldn’t have 5 rings if Matt Millen drafted him or if 75% of these other franchises (if not closer to 90-95%) of these franchises drafted him.

    Owners are lazy, many of them 2nd generation slimebucket silver spooned daddy’s boys, and they don’t get what it means to run a quality business that succeeds.

    VERY few franchises are well run.

    Brady knows this. He’s blessed and he knows it.

    Maybe he breaks through and somehow gets a ring somewhere, or maybe 2, but we’ll obviously never know.

    Even if a quality team drafted him, who knows if he gets the chance he would have needed, buried behind a “perceived” superior prospect based on draft status.

  152. hehateme2 says:
    May 15, 2017 3:01 PM

    No one else would agree either. Brady is nothing more than a dink-and-dunk system QB on a team that bends and breaks the rules…

    —-
    That’s 5 time Super Bowl champion, 4 time Super Bowl MVP, 2 time league MVP, holder of multiple NFL records and GOAT dink and dunk system QB to you.

    Address the man properly boy!

    🙂

  153. Montana didn’t get to play in an era of advanced training, nutrition and rules protecting the QB.


    That advanced training and nutrition benefits defensive players too of course. Much bigger, stronger and faster than the athletes in Montana’s era.

    Works both ways. 🙂

  154. God sure blessed him, Good looks, hot wife, hot former gf, great qb skills….life is good for Tom…that being said, who cares. He has 5 rings, that is what matters most…

    many on here too young to remember how great some of these other guys were, Boomer Esiason in his prime on the Bengals was flat out awesome…awesome…that Bengals o was insane good. shame they never won a ring or 2

  155. Rodgers >= Brady
    Belichick+Brady >McCarthy+Rodgers

    Against a defense with a good pass rush, there’s no question Rodgers is better.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    This ^^^ is a joke. Rodgers is the greatest player to ever win the fake pass interference game, but that’s about it.

    Brady > Rodgers
    Brady > McCarthy
    Brady > Rodgers + McCarthy
    Brady > Rodgers + McCarthy + Cheeseburger Lacy

  156. That’s argument in favor of Belichick the GM, not any one player. He’s always had an excellent team and coaching staff even though the names may changes.

    ——————————–

    The fact is, Brady plays in the cap era which clearly makes him the greatest ever for that reason alone. He’d have 3 or 4 more SBs if no cap. 2006 comes to mind, as does 2011 as 2 teams that fell short, but fell short due to the cap as much as playing poorly in the playoffs.

  157. Absolutely, but that’s beside the point which is that today’s changes give QBs more years in their prime which in turn mean more wins. If Montana or Bradshaw played in the 2000s they’d have more regular season and playoff wins. If Brady and Manning played in the 80s, they’d have less. QBs were done in their early 30s then. Now they still play well approaching 40 as not only Brady, but Favre, Manning and Brees have shown.


    That advanced training and nutrition benefits defensive players too of course. Much bigger, stronger and faster than the athletes in Montana’s era.

    Works both ways.

  158. While it’s admirable of Brady to reflect on and credit the various factors that have gone into the success of his teams, you can’t deny the tremendous work he has put in through the years to be a major contributor to that success.

  159. yeah i agree with tom, the difference makers have been josh mcdaniels and charlie weiss…umm yeahhh.

  160. Great answer, 12. I respect him for that.

    You’d never hear this sort of thing from Emmitt or Rice, when the exact same logic applies to both of them as well.

  161. I’m tired of the “system quarterback” comments. Show me one QB that just wings it all day. No plan, no system, just makes it up as he goes along.

  162. Brady gets two awards from me:

    GOAT Cheater; and

    GOAT Systems QB.

    PS: he needs to play this long to obtain a career winning record against Denver. The only team that he hasnt.

  163. After all these years of listening to people say he is a system QB or a Dink and Dunk QB I am still waiting for someone to tell me why the vast majority of teams have not copied this approach.

    If it is so easy and Brady is not that good please tell me why the heck others have not done it and been successful, it does not make sense.

    Unless of course the truth is somewhat different to that System QB stuff I hear!

  164. fakebookfreddy says:
    May 15, 2017 6:55 PM
    Brady gets two awards from me:

    GOAT Cheater; and

    GOAT Systems QB.

    PS: he needs to play this long to obtain a career winning record against Denver. The only team that he hasnt.

    ——–

    that’s rich. a broncos fan telling others about
    cheating when they factually cheated the cap
    under tagliabue pre corrupt and lying goodell.

    meanwhile, the pats and brady have never
    cheated and were framed twice to be cheated
    by jealous owners wanting to weaken the pats.

    these are facts

    another fact is brady will lay waste to fading
    denver this year to improve his record
    vs a franchise with flippin goofy arena league
    uniforms who also employed a roid raging
    cheating qb with a forehead that could be
    used as a dining room table

    have a nice day!

  165. Brady isn’t done yet. So there’s that. Sorry to ruin your day.

  166. He’s right, Aaron Rodgers is the greatest ever. I don’t want to hear about Brady’s 5 rings, that just means he played on more great teams. Rodgers makes throws every week I’ve never seen anyone else make.

    Plus, Bart Starr won his 5 rings a lot sooner than 16 years. And it would’ve been 6 if the refs had thrown a flag on the Eagles like they should have for holding Jim Taylor to the ground until the Packers didn’t have time to run another play.

  167. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
    Brady is the best SYSTEM QB of all time. I don’t think there is any debate left.

    =========================

    You keep posting this and never answer my 2 questions. If Brady is a system QB 1) why is Belichick only 18-19 as Pats HC without him starting? And 2) why is Brady still on the Pats when BB usually gets rid of talent when it gets expensive? Cassel and Grappolo would have been a lot cheaper if BB thought he would get comparable results. Both answers are incontravertabe proof Brady is not a “system” QB. Not a debate. He is great, period,

  168. whispersd says:
    May 15, 2017 12:59 PM

    A great defense can carry a weak QB to a title, but those QBs have never won more than one ring.

    ____

    Terry Bradshaw-4

  169. hehateme2 says:
    May 15, 2017 3:01 PM
    No one else would agree either. Brady is nothing more than a dink-and-dunk system QB on a team that bends and breaks the rules…

    =======================

    Except that Brady was 2nd in NFL in yards per attempt last year. And physics man, just physics. Where are the spot checks?

  170. canedaddy says:
    May 15, 2017 11:03 AM
    He’s 100% right. If you plugged any of these guys into his spot… Marino, Montana, Unitas, Graham, Rodgers, Warner, Kelly, Aikman, Fouts… they would have been just as successful, likely more so. He’s a very good quarterback who is fortunate to have played for Belichick throughout his career.

    =====

    Not so sure about Warner whose much better team lost to Brady and the Pats in ’01. Warner was really good, but not in the same class with the others.

    And Belichick is only 18-19 as Pats HC without Brady starting and is the only player still on his team from the beginning. I think Brady’s skill and smarts had something to do with it.

  171. Look, it’s Tom Brady,
    He is the G. O. A. T.
    He won’t admit it.

    -A Japanase Fan…

  172. Question #1….Did the Patriots go to the playoffs when Brady was out the whole year……no.
    Question#2….Did the 49ers go to the playoffs when Montana was out the whole year….no,missed out on a tiebreaker(like the Patriots)…..BUT the next year(Montana missed 2 seasons)The 49ers made it to the NFC Championship…..How is that possible???The haters GOAT and HIS team almost goes to the SB and when he leaves The 49ers Win SB…..so it seems that even without montana the 49ers were good……Amazing.

  173. fritz96 says:
    May 15, 2017 1:25 PM

    Pats fans need to stop making excuses for the Giants losses. Brady had the highest scoring offense in history and got 14 points. That’s where the blame belongs, not on 1 fluky catch.

    =======

    You should that Brady put the Pats ahead in both games late in the 4th but the defense couldn’t hold it .

  174. Before it was ‘Brady is not a system QB”… and now that Brady has admitted to it it’s “Every QB is a system QB”. So which is it Pats fans? System or non-system QB? Can’t be both lol
    ——————————————–
    The question has always been “name one NFL QB that DIDN’T play in a system.”
    Brady plays in one, Montana had the West Coast Offense, etc..
    So name some NFL QB’s that never played in a system?

  175. Lord Manning is #1 and it’s not even close.
    ………..
    insert your choice: choker, gag artist, El Foldo, garbage time yardage, assaulter, husband of the year.

  176. This might be the first time I disagree with TB12.

    Tom Brady isn’t just the greatest QB of all-time, he’s the greatest football player of all-time. He is now working on being the greatest pro athlete of all-time!

  177. This is the same exact argument I have made for why he’s not the best ever. There you have it ladies and gentlemen, from the horse’s mouth.

  178. Everyone that really understands football other than TB12 recognizes Tom Brady as the GOAT.

    while…

    Everyone who is capable of understanding 7th grade science recognizes that Roger Goodell is the WOAT.

  179. I will tell you why Montana can’t be the best. He only led one clutch Super Bowl game-winning drive. Brady led 4, and if his defense had held in the final seconds of the first Super Bowl against the Giants, it would have been 5. Brady also owns the two largest SB 4th quarter comebacks.

    The only knock on Brady is he lost to the Jets. No GOAT should ever lose to the Jets. Not a single game. Not ever.

  180. Belichick made Brady, his system and built a championship caliber team around him for more than a decade. Without Belichick there never is a Brady! Belichick has proven this by winning with whoever he has under center. Don’t get me wrong, Brady is a very good qb, but far from the greatest.

  181. He doesn’t call his own plays. Many of the other great QBs in the GOAT discussion actually ran the offense. I’m not a Brady fan, but I respect him as a great football player . He’s 100% accurate though. He has benefitted immensely from the system in which he plays. If he played for the Browns, he’d be in the same QB category as Roethlisberger or Philip Rivers.

  182. EJ says:
    May 18, 2017 7:51 PM

    Belichick made Brady, his system and built a championship caliber team around him for more than a decade. Without Belichick there never is a Brady! Belichick has proven this by winning with whoever he has under center. Don’t get me wrong, Brady is a very good qb, but far from the greatest.

    ===========
    Belichick is not Belichick without Brady (and vice versa). They need each other, but Brady is far from a “system QB”. Proof:

    Belichick is only 18-19 as Pats HC without Brady starting and 183-52 with. Indisputable proof that Brady is not merely a “system” QB.

    And Belichick always gets rid of talent when it starts to get expensive so Brady still being on the team all these years is also proof he is not a system QB. If Belichick though he could plug a cheaper option in at QB, Brady would have been traded for picks looooong ago.

  183. That’s because Montana was so great the game was over in the 4th Quarter. Brady was never able to give his team a solid lead in any Super Bowl.

    ——————————-

    bencoates57 says:
    May 17, 2017 9:22 PM
    I will tell you why Montana can’t be the best. He only led one clutch Super Bowl game-winning drive. Brady led 4, and if his defense had held in the final seconds of the first Super Bowl against the Giants, it would have been 5. Brady also owns the two largest SB 4th quarter comebacks.

  184. fritz96 says:
    May 19, 2017 11:35 AM

    That’s because Montana was so great the game was over in the 4th Quarter. Brady was never able to give his team a solid lead in any Super Bowl.

    ========

    Pats had a 17-3 lead with less than 10 minutes to go in the 4th against the Rams, that’s pretty solid. Could’ve been another TD on top of that if McGinest didn’t get called for a hold.

  185. “He doesn’t call his own plays. Many of the other great QBs in the GOAT discussion actually ran the offense. I’m not a Brady fan, but I respect him as a great football player . He’s 100% accurate though. He has benefitted immensely from the system in which he plays. If he played for the Browns, he’d be in the same QB category as Roethlisberger or Philip Rivers.”

    He doesn’t call his own plays? Are you kidding? You must be one of those guys that throws around “he can’t throw deep” and he “never gets hit.” Then you throw out the “system” garbage. Its pretty obvious you don’t actually watch the guy play. He most certainly calls his own plays. And what exactly is this “system”? You talk about it like its so simple and obvious….yet this “system” changes on a yearly and weekly basis. Don’t be obtuse. What Brady does on a weekly basis is incredible and almost always different. If this “system” is so easily identified I wonder why no one else has been able to copy it?

    Here’s where you bring up Cassel as some sort of point. Cassel was serviceable in an offense that was a play away from going undefeated. He missed the playoffs and lost almost every meaningful game against a team with a winning record. You think that happens with Brady? No. Garrapolo had success last year before anyone had any real tape on him. That happens all the time with new QBs that are above average.

    Brady is the GOAT.

  186. bunkmcnulty says:
    May 15, 2017 1:09 PM
    I dislike the Pats and Brady, but to be a real fan you have to recognize greatness. Certainly Brady is the best of his era. And if you compare eras, it is hard to say another QB dominated his era like Brady. I believe Brady answered the way anyone should, save Lebron James. He will tell you he’s the best all the time.

    That said, maybe Bart Starr enters in. His team dominated for years. But quite a few HOFr’s around him.

    I must confess an allegiance to Johnny U. Tough guy. Invented to the 2 minute offense. Father of the modern passing game.

    In this topic, isn’t the question, what QB do you fear at the end of game with one last possession? May still be Brady. But certainly others enter in.

    I know he has zero championships, and yes many of you will laugh, but I still feel Dan Marino may be the best QB I ever saw. You are allowed to beat me down on that. And I am not a Dolphins fan at all.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That is it. So many players have made so many plays in big game, all sports.

    Very few seasons or big games where Brady has failed. He has continuously achieved.

    Getting to the point where the opportunities and the conversion rate cannot be ignored.

    He has provided the entire generation with a bench mark.

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