Mark Cuban thinks NFL chasing money in Las Vegas will backfire

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Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has never hesitated to critique the NFL’s business model, and he has done so again regarding the Raiders’ move to Las Vegas.

Cuban said on ESPN that he sees the NFL’s decision to let the Raiders leave Oakland just because Nevada is willing to build them a stadium is going to be a bad look in a few years.

“Why? There’s just no good reason. It’s no disrespect to Las Vegas, it’s a great city and it’s vibrant. But they’re going to a smaller market, it’s transient, and it’s just another example of chasing every last dollar, and that tends to backfire,” Cuban said.

Cuban famously compared the NFL to fat hogs ready to get slaughtered, and he thinks the league will eventually implode under the weight of its own greed. We’ll see in a few years if an expensive Las Vegas stadium has thousands of empty seats on Sundays, which would suggest that Cuban may be on to something.

127 responses to “Mark Cuban thinks NFL chasing money in Las Vegas will backfire

  1. This from an owner in a league that is allowing ads to be placed on players’ jerseys next season.

  2. Not a Mark Cuban fan, but I believe that he is correct….the NFL WILL implode from greed, over-priced seating, parking, concessions and SALARIES will push the NFL to its knees.

  3. They’ll be hawking free Raiders tickets on street corners just like they do now for the shows, just to entice people to sit for a timeshare presentation.

  4. Yeah, there MIGHT be thousands of empty seats in Vegas, just as there ARE every game in that sewer pit in Oakland! At least there will be nice digs to travel to and a place to party before and after.

  5. Hey Mark look at it this way. When people go to away games because they can’t get home tickets, they look for places like Miami, San Fran and San Diego. Now you can add Las Vegas and subtract San Diego. Oakland wasn’t on the short list although we would go and stay in San Fran.

  6. But Mark Havent you seen How Roger is a proponent of long term viability and sustainability over short term monetary Gains!!!??? Roger really cares Mark…

  7. This guy is so right when it comes to his views on the NFL. At this point the League is focused on monetizing every blade of grass, and they have no long game. A pause is greatly need, but it would require great leadership to convince the money hungry owners of so much.

  8. Does this guy ever shut up ? He’s like that guy at work who thinks he knows something about everything.

  9. I’ll take his word for it. Note that Cuban didn’t raise the false flag (hysteria based fear) that sports betting is legal in Las Vegas to help shore up his argument.

  10. No hes wrong. Everyone would want to see their team play in the city of lights. It would be the ideal vacation: casinos, h00kers, parties, your football team etc

    Only pitfall: visiting oppenents will out weigh raider nation

  11. steves11 says:
    May 16, 2017 12:49 PM
    “They’ll be hawking free Raiders tickets on street corners just like they do now for the shows, just to entice people to sit for a timeshare presentation.”

    I hear this all the time. There are no “free shows” in Vegas. I travel to Vegas 10-12 times per year and $300 shows that perform twice daily are sold out constantly. I think most people have no clue the amount of money spent on anything in that city. There may not be as many true Raiders fans at the games as there are now, but trust me those seats will get sold for ridiculous prices.

  12. I am a die hard Raiders fan. But lets face it, they had the lowest attendance in the league for the entirety of their second stint in Oakland. You think leaving for a brand new stadium that at the very least will be a tourist attraction is worse than staying in a city that can’t sell out? Don’t forget this was a team making a Super Bowl push and an appearance during that stint. Granted, with the top 5,500 seats tarped off and their first winning season in 15 years they have a waiting list for tickets finally, but that won’t last after they win for 2 or 3 years and the newness of that wears off.

    Going to a smaller market, while factually true, is skewed a bit. The “market” in Oakland is the entire bay area. That area is divided. While LV has LA Raiders fans and all other Nevada and SoCal Raiders fans for that matter.

    It SUCKS to be in Oakland and lose your team a second time. But the mayor chose the A’s over the Raiders. The Raiders have NEVER had their own stadium. For the first time in their illustrious history they are getting what Al chased his entire life. A home. It might take some time to get used to, but this team gets their own state of the art stadium.

  13. Cuban will be 2-2 within 5-10 years, somewhere in there. This league is doomed for failure under the current regime and business model. It’s not hard to see.

  14. I agree. it is a money grab and horrible idea. The NFL is the money hungriest league in sports. Its all they care about. I have no doubt this will backfire and I cannot wait to see it.

  15. libertyandunion1994 says:
    May 16, 2017 12:41 PM
    Kinda like when the Supersonics CHASED $ down to OKC? Right Mark?
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    You DO understand the fundamental differences between OKC and LV as markets, right? What will end up happening is 1/3 of the seats will be bought by people who live there, 1/3 bought by Raider nation who simply travel to see them, and 1/3 bought by fans of the visiting team who come to stay in Vegas for the game.

    It’s sort of what happened in San Diego, less the part where Charger fans traveled to see them.

  16. The Raiders will never have a home crowd advantage in Vegas. Most of the people going to the games will be Vegas tourists. Yes some will be Raiders fans, but not the 90%+ home crowd you see in most NFL stadiums. They’ll be lucky if 1/3 of the fans are Raiders fans at any given game.

  17. He’s not the only one, there’s been heavy criticism of it. Of course the NHL told the world to hold their beer, because they decided to create an expansion hockey team in Vegas as well.

    How can rich people be so dumb?

  18. I guess this criticism might hold some weight if Cuban didn’t represent a league that has written the book on Chasing every last dollar. Also, he speaks of the league “allowing” the Raiders to move to Vegas. Does anyone believe for a minute that the league could have stopped the Raiders if they had chosen to try?

  19. I disagree with Cuban. I think the Vegas Raiders will be a big hit. The problem for the league is that the Vegas Raiders are going to siphon off a lot of LA fans.

    At least one, if not both, LA based teams are going to fail.

  20. I just hope it fails because of the city and fans they’re leaving.

    For all the grief the fans here in Detroit give the Ford family, we’ve never been held hostage or kicked to the curb by them.

    They haven’t given us much reason to care if they leave either, but that’s another story.

  21. harrisonhits2 says:
    May 16, 2017 1:07 PM
    The Raiders will never have a home crowd advantage in Vegas. Most of the people going to the games will be Vegas tourists. Yes some will be Raiders fans, but not the 90%+ home crowd you see in most NFL stadiums. They’ll be lucky if 1/3 of the fans are Raiders fans at any given game.

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    I traveled to 4 games last year. Road games. The crowd was definitely 30-40% Raiders at all of them (maybe 20% at the season opener in New Orleans). Add ALL the fans that went to take over the Q (90% silver and black) and you think Vegas being so close to So Cal won’t have more Raiders fans than visiting fans? It may not be like Green Bay where it is 99% people from the area supporting their team, but it will NEVER be like a Chargers game where the fans are all for the visiting team.

  22. I think Vegas may be the only city in the country where the transient money is a big plus– You don’t go to Vegas without expecting to spend a lot of money, and I think a lot more visiting fans will show up there than anywhere else if their team is playing the Raiders.

    Now, the complete lack of a home field advantage and effect that will eventually have on the success of the team in this situation is another story…

  23. I don’t think he’s right on this one. It’s going to be a sell out every weekend forever. The key to the whole thing will be to have the LA fan base for the Raiders buy into the team. It should be a sell out forever between nearby long time Raider fans and visiting fans that will be in Vegas all the time.

  24. The NFL will certainly not “implode” if the fans don’t come
    out in Vegas. They will simply move again to the next highest bidder city on the waiting list.

  25. Actually economists have stated that the valuation of the Raiders could potentially jump from around $1.2 billion to $3 billion once the move occurs.

    Thanks for your meaningless opinion though, Markie Boy.

  26. “The more the media and people like me criticized Donald, the more it played right into their hands. We were the bad guys. We didn’t get it. We represented everything they wanted to change. We were the forces behind the corrupt media. The elites. The establishment. The suckers getting paid off by George Soros and foreign corrupt interests,” Cuban wrote.

  27. brassknuckles47 says:
    May 16, 2017 12:46 PM
    Not a Mark Cuban fan, but I believe that he is correct….the NFL WILL implode from greed, over-priced seating, parking, concessions and SALARIES will push the NFL to its knees.

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    That reminds me of a Yogi Berra quote. “Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.”

    The reason the seating prices, parking, concessions and salaries are so high is because fans are willing to pay that much. It’s a free market. If the demand reduces the prices will reduce too, but it’s not going to bring the NFL to it’s knees.

  28. Cuban is thinking like a basketball owner and not an NFL owner. Vegas is a growing market and the NFL will not lose viewers. The NBA is more local. Maybe Cuban can explain the reasons why the NBA left Seattle for Oklahoma City or is in markets like Sacramento and Salt Lake City. Cuban can also explain why the Mavs tv ratings were down 53% and he gave away Mavs tickets for nothing or $5 just to fill his arena even when his ticket prices are already much less than every other Dallas team (including the hockey team). When it comes to sports, Cuban is all sizzle and no steak.

  29. In a few years? The stadium will be half full by week 8. Nobody goes to Vegas to watch a live NFL game, and people that visit wont be Raiders fans for the most part. The people that live in Vegas just got this team dumped on them they didnt want, and its a rather low income area ( compared to the coasts ) with a lot of people who dont have hoards of spendable income.

  30. Mark, worry about your own league and how pro wrestling looks more real.

    watching the face of the NBA slide 20 feet on the floor holding his arm like it just got broke in half while screeming in pain just because some guy half his size touched him is a joke.

  31. libertyandunion1994 says:
    May 16, 2017 12:41 PM
    Kinda like when the Supersonics CHASED $ down to OKC? Right Mark?

    Mark Cuban was actually one of two NBA owners that voted NO!! on the Sonics relocation to OKC.

  32. Kinda like when the Supersonics CHASED $ down to OKC? Right Mark?
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    EXACTLY right.

    Seattle is a top 10 market now, if not top 5.

    There are more millionaires in the Seattle-metro area than anywhere else in the country. The area is growing by the day, and the NBA is missing out on major corporate sponsorships/partnerships (Amazon, Microsoft, Costco, Starbucks, Boeing all founded in the NW)

    The NBA made a HUGE mistake leaving here. For an outpost.

    .. ditto Vancouver.

  33. Just imagine how different things would’ve turned out for Johnny Manziel if he’d started his career in a place like Las Vegas where he could focus on his career and other priorities instead of Cleveland and all the distractions that it brings. Might’ve become a first-ballot HOF’er. We’ll just never know.

  34. bodybag91 says:
    May 16, 2017 12:53 PM

    trying to figure out why the opinion of Marc Cuban pops up everywhere and on every subject
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    Because he said something stupid about the NFL a few years ago and some people incorrectly believe he was right.

  35. Mark Cuban is a blowhard. I just got back from Vegas on Sunday. Everybody I ran into was excited about the Raiders coming to town. Vegas locals are tired of the strip scene and are eager for the NFL.

  36. Not a fan of Mark, don’t even like the fellow. His league is dreadful, and he talks too much. If the NFL is a hog ready for the slaughter, he is just a little pig on his way there (he’s a wannabe owner of teams from other leagues).

    All that does not negate what he is saying about LV and the NFL. I don’t go to Dallas to see the Mavs or the Cowboys, and I certainly wouldn’t go to LV to see the Raiders. There might be one saving grace with LV’s pop. is 624K and growing while Oakland is 414K and declining. That town is not all transient like we think but they will proportionally need more of their citizens to buy Raiders tickets compared to other towns to sustain that team. Time will tell.

  37. The Vegas stadium seats will be filled as long as the team is winning. The party will be unbelievable. Once the winning stops, however, just watch that stadium empty out on game days. People will always support a winner, but I’m not at all sure Vegas has the fan base to support a team with a losing record. Vegas isn’t Oakland.

  38. Have we fired Goodell yet or are we going to wait until after his next disastrous screwup?

  39. If the NFL really cared about fans ….. everybody knows that Los Angeles freaking LOVES the Raiders but instead they get the Rams AND the Chargers.

  40. I wouldn’t be worried about any empty seats at that stadium. The Raiders fans may be worried about the fact that even their home games will have an unhealthy “road” feel to them, however. That stadium will be a hot ticket every home game for the away team.

  41. People are underestimating the city of Las Vegas. It’s a thriving city. I’m betting the home crowd gets behind this team. And it’s not a bad drive from LA. Then you add in all the football fans who’d much rather see an away game than some fake magic show.

    Plus, Oakland give the Raiders nothing! Vegas gave them $750 Million. It’s a no-brainer!

    Mark is just mad the NFL won’t let him have a team. Sorry, Mark, wait until you own a team. Then, your opinion would matter.

  42. Mark Cuban chased Hillary Clinton. Guess his opinion doesn’t mean much when chasing things.

  43. willyalistentothis says:
    May 16, 2017 12:55 PM
    This guy is so right when it comes to his views on the NFL. At this point the League is focused on monetizing every blade of grass, and they have no long game. A pause is greatly need, but it would require great leadership to convince the money hungry owners of so much.

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    lol…Cuban is putting ads in his players’ jerseys next year I heard.

    And you talk about how he’s “so right” and the NFL monetizing everything. lolololol

  44. What does Cuban think of the City of Oakland? He has no clue of the Raiders Nation following around this country. Stick to your lousy Mavericks team and stay out of football.

  45. An NFL team with a small number of home games will be okay in Vegas–there’ll be enough tourists wanting to see games even if the local market isn’t as strong as expected. (Now, that might lead to a lot of fans of the visitors, but that’s a separate story.) But the NHL team I think is going to struggle. They’ve totally had their thunder stolen by the Raiders and 41 home dates for an expansion team that will struggle for several years are going to be tough to fill.

  46. There might be one saving grace with LV’s pop. is 624K and growing while Oakland is 414K and declining.
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    Las Vegas metro pop – 1.9 million
    Las Vegas GMP – 103.3 billion

    Bay Area metro pop – 7.68 million (2016)
    Bay Area GMP – 758.5 billion

  47. “It may not be like Green Bay where it is 99% people from the area supporting their team, but it will NEVER be like a Chargers game where the fans are all for the visiting team.”

    Fair enough. Raiders fans are passionate and maybe you’re right and there will be a majority Raiders fans at most games. I still think the transient nature of Vegas will result in a much higher percentage of visiting fans than normal for an NFL game but it may be much closer to the numbers you’re predicting than the ones I posted.

  48. Who cares what this guy thinks. The NBA sucks plain and simple. When you have no regard to blatantly rigging games for the lebron money train to make the finals every year who the heck has any interest whatsoever in a league exposed for refs betting and rigging games and the commissioner being lebrons personal puppet every single year. Anybody associated with the NBA even attempting to cricitize the NFL is a laughingstock

  49. Hes right. Remember all these people that put down $100 deposits for season tickets in Las Vegas will have a PSL to pay in the neighborhood of $40k plus the price of the tickets on the cheap seats. Look at Levis stadium in Santa Clara. People are selling their tickets for less than face value and eating the yearly payments toward their PSLs that they cant get out of.

  50. While he may be right about the NFL running into issues at some point, I don’t think Vegas will be the problem. How many fans will jump at the excuse for a Vegas weekend when their team is playing in LV? Like many teams, they will struggle to attract local fans if they don’t win, but they likely will have the biggest draw of any team for visiting fans to travel to.

  51. The NFL’s primary revenue stream is not the gate it’s TV. Individual owners are the ones that benefit most from the stadiums and their partners have shown themselves to be more than happy to get their share of the extortion…er relocation fees that an owner will pay for the privilege of fleecing yet another community. It remains to be seen whether the market size differential will significantly impact ratings. The league needs to be far more concerned with cord cutting and overall viewership than city size.

  52. The Bay is the 6th tv market; great support; original AFL team; and a wealthy area. When you chase returns in the stock market you get burned. Cuban is 100% correct. Teams are the city & team name. Would Dallas, Green Bay, Patriots move to a neighboing state? How bout them Albuquerque Cowboys?

  53. Mark Cuban’s original comments regarded the expansion of Thursday night football. Cuban suggested that Sunday and Monday were enough. His reasoning follows two basic premises: All football is the same and you can’t have too much of it. Since college football occupies Saturday and the NFL occupies Sunday, Monday, and Thursday, there is simply too much football on the market. And for those making fun of Cuban, he was right. The ratings for Thursday Night games has gone down and overall viewership declined this year.

  54. Eventually one of these times Cuban will be right because after all a broken clock is right twice a day !

  55. “Nobody goes to Vegas to watch a live NFL game”

    Well, no – that hasn’t really been an option before has it?

    I think that with 8-12 games a year to sell the Raiders will will do just fine in Vegas.

  56. If it was juts about market size, the NFL wouldn’t have teams like Green Bay, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville, Carolina, Tennessee, or Indianapolis. As long as primary league revenue continues to be shared equally, the size of the market will be less of an issue if there’s a state-of-the-art stadium in place. Los Angeles is the only major market NFL teams have moved *to*.

  57. I understand what he is saying, but comparatively speaking NFL tickets are not that much more expensive than NBA tickets. There are just far less games, so the fans are more likely to pay.

  58. Has Cuban actually watched the NBA product on the court the last several years? 3-4 pretty good teams and 25 garbage teams. Basically unwatchable during the regular season and the first 2 rounds of playoffs were garbage too with 25 point blowouts one after another.

  59. Every time this guy speaks I hate him more. Shark Tank, sports media, Fox News… dude is always running his trap and always sounds bitter about whatever he is hating on.

  60. Yeah, there MIGHT be thousands of empty seats in Vegas, just as there ARE every game in that sewer pit in Oakland! At least there will be nice digs to travel to and a place to party before and after.

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    The stadium in Oakland has been sold out for a couple years. They have a waiting list of 15,000 to 20,000 people. If their idiot owner would take the tarp off he would sell those seats now.

    As to Oakland never giving the Raiders anything they are still paying on bringing them back from LA and will still be paying after the team moves to Vegas.

  61. v2787 says:
    May 16, 2017 1:54 PM
    The Vegas stadium seats will be filled as long as the team is winning. The party will be unbelievable. Once the winning stops, however, just watch that stadium empty out on game days. People will always support a winner, but I’m not at all sure Vegas has the fan base to support a team with a losing record. Vegas isn’t Oakland.
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    Wrong!!! The team will sell out its season tickets and have a waiting list. NFL franchises can weather bad seasons because each game is an event. The NBA cannot.

  62. The Raiders ticket office and the local casinos will put together some package deals aimed at bringing into town some of the high rollers. Those big casinos should buy up large numbers of season tickets. There will be a lot of other fans scheduling weekends to Vegas to take in a Raiders game, and other fun stuff. If it doesn’t work out, other cities will be lining up to take the Raiders, knowing that they’re willing to relocate. Cuban is a smart man, and maybe he’s right about the NFL’s eventual implosion, but I’m not convinced. Football has a certain innate appeal to men. Just as women have maternal instincts, I think the controlled warfare of football draws men. I think it resonates in the DNA. It obviously has an appeal to many women too. NFL football is here to stay. They might lose a battle along the way, but not the war.

  63. bighoser says:
    May 16, 2017 12:49 PM
    Yeah, there MIGHT be thousands of empty seats in Vegas, just as there ARE every game in that sewer pit in Oakland! At least there will be nice digs to travel to and a place to party before and after.
    – – – – – – – – – – – — – –

    If not mistaken the Raiders have sold out three years in a row now. Looking forward to that Oakland sewer pit tonight — Go Warriors!!!

  64. Mark Cuban is a big fat idiot. Of course the NFL is going to chase every last dollar. It’s called capitalism. What should they do? Have a policy of not trying to maximize profit? The question isn’t their motive, it’s the value for the product they have. If it continues to decline, fat Mark will be right.

  65. Mark Cuban is completely infatuated with the NFL. It’s so obvious that he desperately wants to own an NFL franchise. Too bad for him, though, as Jerrah isn’t selling the Cowboys anytime soon.

  66. Yeh, he’s always wrong! Just, ummm, don’t check last season’s ratings, it was an aberration anyway, I’m sure

  67. I get the impression that whenever he critisizes the NFL it’s because he doens’t have his own NFL franchise. If he did you could surely expect to hear a very different tune. And ‘chasing every last dollar’? The NBA isn’t all that different, so that’s a pot-calling-the-kettle-black kind of comment. The stadium in LV may indeed have it’s share of empty seats after the initial buzz wears off, but a full stadium isn’t a big deal for the NFL….it’s TV / Media deals that they happily feast on. The NFL may actually do just what Cuban suggests and ‘implode under the weight of it’s own greed’, but if that is the case, the NBA won’t be far behind.

  68. Cuban used to be a cool guy many years ago, I remember chatting with him on the AVS HD forums.

    Now, he thinks he’s all that and he’s not.

  69. Cuban is the most egotistical guy in sports. Half of what he says you can just throw in the garbage can and the other half doesn’t make any sense.
    But — he’s right about the NFL chasing every dollar. Playing games in other countries is a prime example of that and over-saturating the market is another.
    I agree with Cuban that this is the NFL’s apex and that in 20 years or so, the NFL will not be nearly as popular as it is today.
    There are many reasons for that, and many of them start with the present leadership under Goodell.

  70. As others have said, Cuban needs to stick to his own league. There are many issues – tanking teams, flopping players, that despite the revenue-sharing no small market team has a snowball’s chance in hell of winning other than the Spurs, etc.

    Meanwhile, his bold prediction of the NFL’s demise hasn’t come close to fruition.

    But he has to speak out, because the one thing in this world that Mark Cuban loves above everything else is the sound of his own voice.

  71. Cuban doesn’t understand that in the NFL, it’s impossible to lose money. It’s the undisputed #1 sport in America and the size of the tv contracts prove that. No matter how much Mark Davis and the other investors spend, it will be repaid in no less than 10 years thanks to tv contracts and corporate box sales.

    Selling season and individual tickets will be easy because, once again, it’s the NFL and people like going to games for the NFL experience no matter who’s playing. Cuban needs to be quiet about sports for a little while after the embarrassment he put on the court this season.

  72. I predict with this move the Raiders will become the most successful franchise in all of sports, having a national following that identifies with a classier Raider image. Corporate raiders, pirates, mercenaries, poker players, adventurers, risk takers, all coming together eight games a year, eight conventions a yr. What better place to plant the Raider flag? The Raiders will be a shot in the arm for Vegas and Vegas will welcome and embrace them.

  73. Sadly, Mark Cuban is right.

    First in foreclosures, last in education, the Las Vegas model is built on 20k traveling tourists coming to the stadium 10-weeks a year, when the closest model doesn’t reach 5k.

    It’s a awful plan. It. Will. Fail.

  74. 5280broncosfan: And you don’t understand how basic economics works. Leaving a huge market for a smaller market means less advertising revenue and less merchandise sales. Because their bottom line is not in the red does not mean they are not losing money they could be making playing in a larger media market. Moving to a smaller market also decreases the value of your franchise. Just ask the Rams.

    “Selling season and individual tickets will be easy because, once again, it’s the NFL and people like going to games for the NFL experience no matter who’s playing.”

    This statement is complete nonsense. St. Louis couldn’t give away tickets to their games and all of the Florida teams have had major attendance issues. Keep in mind these are MUCH larger markets than Las Vegas.

    Mark Cuban is correct.

  75. He’s right.

    I’m starting to think that NFL ownership isn’t even concerned about sustaining into the future. They really are just out to suck every dollar possible as soon as they can and if the tap runs dry quicker, fine – they’ll have theirs and screw everyone else.

    It’s pretty much the billionaire way.

  76. I think Cuban has a point, although really the Chargers moving to Los Angeles will be the point where in the future people will agree that the NFL jumped the shark.

    Regarding Vegas, one point people haven’t mentioned will be the “distraction factor”, not just for Raiders players but visiting players as well. Look for the number of “off-field incidents” to increase.

    Also, I agree with the folks above who pointed out that the Raiders will have no home-field advantage. It will be demoralizing for the team to have to play “home” games with 70% of the crowd cheering against them.

  77. Cuban is a bitter little fool who knows that no one in the NBA respects his opinion on Basketball or any other business model.

    Remember, this is the guy who coluded with Jordan (owner of the Hornets) , and Dan Gilbert (owner of the Cavs) to change the collective bargaining agreement because he got tired of teams like the Lakers and LeBron putting stars together because no one wants to go to Dallas.

    No one respects his “oops “championship the Mavericks backed into so he goes around here with bitterness lashing out at anything that has star appeal because he and his Mavericks don’t.

  78. Cuban is right. The NFL is wasting its tradition, character and long time viability to allow teams to keep re-locating.It’s screw the fan base and get the money. Watch…Carson and Las Vegas experiments will fail. There’s too much competition for the entertainment dollar for Carson to be an option. Davis is laughing as he thinks Raider Nation will follow him anywhere. Vegas is transient. Buffalo will be the next team to move…..to Texas. Sad.

  79. Mark Cuban is wrong on this one. I own a home in a Detroit suburb and one outside of Las Vegas. I attend Lions games and now I’ll certainly attend Raiders games. Many season tickets will be purchased by casinos and other businesses as giveaways. Buddy trips to Vegas will now revolve around when your home team plays the Raiders in Vegas. The games will be sellouts and the NFL realizes this. Apparently Mark Cuban does not.

  80. weepingjebus says:
    May 16, 2017 1:58 PM

    Have we fired Goodell yet or are we going to wait until after his next disastrous screwup?
    _____________________

    I didn’t know that you called the shots in the NFL.

  81. kevpft says:
    May 16, 2017 6:04 PM

    He’s right.

    I’m starting to think that NFL ownership isn’t even concerned about sustaining into the future. They really are just out to suck every dollar possible as soon as they can and if the tap runs dry quicker, fine – they’ll have theirs and screw everyone else.

    It’s pretty much the billionaire way.
    _____________________

    It’s now the presidential way.

  82. I believe Cuban also said the stock market would crash if Trump became president. Guess his insight on economics and what would happen should be reported and believed.

  83. Just once, I’d like to see NFL owners and the league office involved in something that makes sense.

  84. Mark Cuban’s Father bought him a one way bus ticket out of town, everything else he got on his own.

  85. Cuban is someone I listen to. He’s dumb like a fox. I don’t agree with his stance on Trump, but this Raider thing to Vegas is a big ??????? The 1st few years should be well attended but at some point the glamour will wear off a bit.
    Let’s see where attendance and fan support is 5 years after the move. The money aspect of supporting your team is expensive. $125 tickets, $10 beers, $30 parking, and on and on………….. Cuban is right, it’s a question of when. It could be some time before I see it slipping. TV ratings will dictate.

  86. Vegas could become the genesis for a new season ticket holder model, one or two games a year. Wall Street, Chicago commodities traders, political parties and Washington lobbyists and politicians, long haul truck drivers, computer programmers and data analysts. I don’t think the typical NFL fan appreciates the new microeconomics of the situation here. Nothing is as it was forty years ago. The Raiders shall become ensconced in the national fabric of the Internet of Things. Raiders paraphanalia will rule over the corporate desktops and four lane highways of America.

  87. you dont have to agree with Cuban but he sure makes you think is it really worth the risk to leave a passionate fan base for a city that has so many other things to do plus so many visitors from around the country that there may not even be a home field advantage …Mark Cuban has a big mouth but you have to admit he knows buisness and he does make alot of sence

  88. Given that having a team in LA is ALREADY starting to fail with interest in the Rams in LA low (and with no prospect of fan interest improving) and no evidence of any interest in the Chargers, Cuban is merely stating the obvious – markets like Vegas are not real sports demographics and never will be.

  89. Mark, stick to Shark Tank and the sycophants who think you are some kind of guru for everything and leave the NFL to the professionals.

    Oakland had their chance on multiple occasions to keep the Raider and decided not to do it. Kudos to Mark for taking a chance and not just accepting his fate to be in a substandard stadium. I think LA would have been perfect, but the NFL owners decided to go in a different direction.

    That being said, I think that the Raiders will be just fine in Vegas. I was just watching the 30 for 30 on the XFL and if that league was run by competent people who took their time and had a measured approach, there would already be a team in Vegas now. I think this will succeed.

  90. goldrush36 says:
    May 16, 2017 1:42 PM

    He is right….. BUT the NBA has absolutely zero room to talk.

    Yep exactly right. Maybe he should be working to fix the competitive imbalance that is currently in the NBA, the teams tanking (his included), and the fact that it is a terrible product to watch right now. I honestly think the guy is jealous of the NFL I really do.

  91. citizenstrange says:
    May 16, 2017 1:58 PM
    If the NFL really cared about fans ….. everybody knows that Los Angeles freaking LOVES the Raiders but instead they get the Rams AND the Chargers.
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    Maybe they “love” the Raiders, but they certainly didn’t SUPPORT the team when it was in LA. I’m not sure they ever had a sellout in the LA Coliseum.

    My father was in Vegas (I think in 1988) and called my brother (who lives in San Diego) to see if he wanted to go up to LA, meet him at the airport, and go watch the Bengals play the Raiders (Dad had season tickets for the Mighty Bengals). My brother got the tickets, picked him up, and they had seats ON THE 30-YARD LINE that he bought from the Raiders three days before the game. Dad said he hadn’t seen an NFL stadium that empty since we lived in Pittsburgh in the mid-Sixties and you could get Steelers tix on the 40-yard-line on game day.

    I have no problem with the Raiders leaving Oakland, although I may never get over calling them “Oakland”. They’ll draw well most of the time, and why should Mark Davis care who they’re rooting for? As long as the money rolls in and the team performs well, why should he care if they’re fans of the Steelers, Chiefs, Broncos, Bears, Giants, Redskins, Pats, Cryboys, Iggles, etc.? The test will be the same one as the NHL team will face, how you draw against the league’s lesser lights and those whose fans don’t travel much–the Jags, Bengals, etc.

    As for Mark Cuban–I was a big fan of his when he was the NBA owner who stood up against David Stern’s “I pick the champions” reign. I cheered when the Mavs beat Stern’s beloved Miami Heat. But boy, has he become a self-important blowhard, always looking for a place from which to shout. He’s starting to remind me of our President in his pre-politics days. Mind your own business, Mark, and try getting your basketball team to be at least marginally competitive.

  92. Sounds like Botox leaked through his Frankenstein forehead into his brain.

    Sounds like he is upset that the NBA’s point-shaving referee gambling scandal prevented it from making this move first.

  93. viffty says:
    May 16, 2017 4:13 PM
    Mark Cuban is completely infatuated with the NFL. It’s so obvious that he desperately wants to own an NFL franchise. Too bad for him, though, as Jerrah isn’t selling the Cowboys anytime soon.
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    I think Cuban would take any NFL franchise if the price was “right”. You can own teams in different sports in different cities; the hard part is getting them all to be successful.

    The sad thing is that as an owner, he’d be an improvement on many of the current owners. And even though he’s wrong more than he’s right, wouldn’t it be FUN to see him be as big of a pain in the rear to that chump Goodell as he was to Little Caesar Stern?

  94. I’m a Mavericks fan in the NBA. There are things I didn’t know about Cuban that have disenchanted me. I had no idea he was a leftist until the election season and I had no idea he would admit to tanking. I once believed him to be the best owner in sports and he will do whatever it takes to win but this is like finding out Kermit the Frog is a green piece of cloth with someone’s hand up his butt. I’m 35 in June. No time to believe in fairy tales anymore. Go Mavs but Cuban, I don’t care for you as much anymore dude. I’m a Broncos fan. I’m SO stoked the NFL is so close to Utah now.

  95. I think Cuban would take any NFL franchise if the price was “right”. You can own teams in different sports in different cities; the hard part is getting them all to be successful.

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    The NFL actually prohibits this. Kroenke works around it by transferring ownership of the Colorado Avalanche and Denver Nuggets to a family trust. The rule was brought up a bunch when the Bills were for sale because Jeremy Jacobs named was being kicked around, but he owns the Boston Bruins.

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