Doug Baldwin: “I don’t know” if Russell Wilson is held accountable enough

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Life in and around the Seahawks’ locker room came up for discussion last week when Seth Wickersham of ESPN published a lengthy article about frictions that have developed inside the organization over the last few years.

The overall thrust of the article was dismissed as gossip by defensive end Michael Bennett and nonsense by cornerback Richard Sherman, but wide receiver Doug Baldwin didn’t wave off questions about one of the main points of contention reported by Wickersham. That would be the contention from other Seahawks that the coaching staff doesn’t hold quarterback Russell Wilson accountable enough.

Baldwin was asked about that point during an appearance on “Brock and Salk” on 710 ESPN and didn’t come down on either side of the fence. He did say that he thinks coach Pete Carroll has done well to manage all of the personalities on the roster.

“I don’t know,” Baldwin said. “Honestly, I didn’t even read the entire article. I read parts of it. Didn’t really have time to read the whole thing. I think Pete does a fantastic job of handling different individuals differently. We all have our different personalities. We all act different ways. And Pete does a fantastic job of accommodating those personalities. He’s done it with me. He’s done it with Russ, with [Sherman], with [Marshawn Lynch], with all of us. And he does a great job at it.”

The Seahawks open their Organized Team Activities this week, which should lead to more players being asked to weigh in on the article and the overall state of affairs around the team. Whatever their answers, the Seahawks’ results come the fall will help determine if the talking points fall away or continue to be part of the atmosphere in Seattle.

82 responses to “Doug Baldwin: “I don’t know” if Russell Wilson is held accountable enough

  1. When the Patriots beat you, they rip your heart out. This is just one more piece of evidence.

    Seahawks haven’t been the same since 2014.

  2. When things are going well QB’s tend to get way too much credit. When things are not going well the QB’s tend to take too much of the fault.

    If you want an example…
    I’m a HUGE TB12 fan but what do you think people would be saying right now about Tom Brady had Atlanta held on to win the SB 28-3? Thankfully that didn’t happen and instead we got the greatest comeback in SB history. But the off season narratives would not be slightly different. The
    winning and losing narratives would be night and day. Huge difference. We remember the heroic comeback. All the 3rd and 4th down completions. While we forget Brady laying on the turf after missing the defender on his pick 6. We forget that Martellus Bennett saved the second INT with a spectacular effort. People tend to remember the last detail while forgetting everything that led up to the last detail.

    Go Pats! OOOOO

  3. vinzclorth0 says:
    May 30, 2017 1:10 PM
    When the Patriots beat you, they rip your heart out. This is just one more piece of evidence.
    ———-
    We are not immune. The Giants ripped my heart out TWICE.
    Fellow Pats fan.

  4. Doug Baldwin was one of the Patriots MVP’s in Superbowl 49. His body gesture after scoring the last Seahawks TD (and his subsequent 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct) is the stuff of legend.

  5. SEA is done, with all of the problems that roster has with the worst O-Line in the NFL, No CBs as Lane is horrible and the rookie isn’t ready and with 3 extremely injury prone RBs one of which is in decline in Lacy who hasn’t sniffed 1K YDs since 2014 or scored a rushing TD in 2 freaking years, The Hawks are going to Implode this year. You take a flawed roster then added anger/emotions in to the mix and its never good, especially with the team aging. Both of their best pass rushers are over 30+ YRs old, Sherman and Kam are almost 30, Earl Thomas is getting there. SEA is going to need rebuild in the next few years, I think the team implodes this year and they get an Early jump start.

    Arizona is loaded this year, I’d bet money AZ re-takes the NFC-W again this year. SEA is done.

  6. You’ll pardon me if I don’t give a lot of weight to the opinions of a guy who celebrates a Super Bowl touchdown by pooping the football….

  7. Wilson essentially got no grief for that SB pass. I can see where that would be point of contention with other players.

  8. That’s actually a great answer / non-answer from Baldwin. If Carroll treats Wilson differently, then he believes that’s what works best with Wilson. No coach treats everyone exactly the same. I like Richard Sherman, but he should realize that he’s a player and stick to that. If he can’t, then Carroll and the Seahawks will look to dump him after the season. None of this is made up and Baldwin is confirming that here. As far as Michael Bennett goes, he just likes to hear himself talk.

  9. @ factschecker

    “I’m a HUGE TB12 fan but what do you think people would be saying right now about Tom Brady had Atlanta held on to win the SB 28-3?”

    Don’t really know what you’re talking about but most “great” QBs have put up some stinkers in the postseason. Brady’s rep would’ve survived it too.

  10. It’s safe to say that Seattle’s “dynasty” was over once Cheatin’ Pete decided to throw the ball.

    Wilson immediately threw his receiver under the bus, the locker room is fractured, the offense and defense are fighting, and the 12th man hopped the 1st bandwagon out of town.

  11. was it just me, or did that Tiger Woods mug shot look like Russell Wilson had a few drinks??? never noticed the similarity before that…

  12. no disrespect to Doug Baldwin but receivers (not as much as tailbacks but still…) are a dime a dozen. Russell Wilson still has Hall of Fame potential and he can lead the Seahawks to more Super Bowl titles. Baldwin hasn’t always been the classiest fellow, remember his Super Bowl dance?

  13. Sometimes when BB and the Pats lay waste to your team, it comes in different ways and different styles, but the result is the same.

    Teams go into tailspins, regardless of how fast or slow, once NE exposes them.

    Go ask Rex Ryan how some of his seasons ended up after a mid season meeting between the Jets and Pats. Outside of 2010, he was constantly looking to cover for embarrassing bludgeonings after running his yap with his team in tow.

    Now with Seattle in cap hell, their fade will continue.

  14. Every team goes through a certain amount of internal crap — it’s just that most don’t have their dirty laundry published in an ESPN article.

  15. margoadams says:
    May 30, 2017 1:26 PM
    Should’ve ran Lynch.

    —————

    Maybe, but Lynch was not very good in short yardage, not to mention BB was showing 7 DL, inducing Carroll to call what Bevel called.

    At some point, you have to tip your cap to NE for practicing that play, knowing it was coming, and the fact NE didn’t even practice it well that week!

    That means Butler took all of his wrongs in practice and made it right in the biggest moment of SB history.

    The only way Seattle wins in that situation, outside of another play working (which we’ll never know), would have been to run a different play out of the typical formation they like to show in that situation.

    So, shame on Carroll for thinking NE wouldn’t have seen that on film somewhere while prepping.

    It’s those kinds of hiccup moves by coaches who don’t completely respect BB and the Pats, which ends up costing them.

    Pats fans have seen such arrogance for years.

    Hard work and diligence mean something when you’re a coach in the NFL. No one does it better than BB.

  16. Coach: “Russell, you need to do better. Here’s what we want you to do…”
    Wilson: (unwavering direct eye contact) “Absolutely, coach. Completely understood. I’ll work hard and perfect it. Go ‘hawks.”
    Coach: “Must you finish everything you say like that?”

  17. bobthebillsfan says:
    May 30, 2017 1:49 PM
    Seems to be a lot of turmoil on that team. I’ll bet the Seahawks have an unhappy locker room.

    —————–

    I was one that thought it would blow up sooner, but give them credit for sneaking out a ring a few years back.

    I figured it would be short lived after that. High risk/high reward approach with Carroll feeding a lot of immaturity with his antics and style as a NFL head coach.

    Quite frankly, I am not sure how it ever worked. His gee golly Pop Warner approach and being “pumped and jacked”, is simply childish.

  18. Kinda mystifying, from the outside looking in, that RWilson’s teamates just don’t seem to liked him. He’s an undersized 3rd rnd pick that’s one of the top 10 QBs in the league. With no OLine. Maybe the ‘legendary Legion of Boom’ coulda held that 10 pt lead halfway thru the 4th QTR. Even with that Wilson still almost brought them back, especially with a miracle 35 yrd catch everybody seems to forget about. I’m not sure if the Patriots wrecked them, or if it’s Carroll’s good ship lollipop approach that’s catching up with them, but they’ve declined every yr since they beat Denver. They’ll probably make the playoffs this yr. There are 2 awful teams in their division. But, I don’t consider them a contender for the Championship.

  19. Far cry from the everyone loves everyone, nothing to see here bs Bennett was trying to convince us of last week

  20. Don’t really know what you’re talking about but most “great” QBs have put up some stinkers in the postseason. Brady’s rep would’ve survived it too.
    ———
    Really? Had we lost 28-3 you don’t think this off season narrative would be any different? No calls for Jimmy? No trade Brady articles before the draft? No questioning if he could really play another 4 or 5 years? Do you really think as knee jerky as the 24/7 sports media is the narrative would be exactly the same win or lose? I have serious doubts about that. I’m not suggesting that the knee jerk crowd would be right but I don’t think they are very objective. I think they would have had a field day with fan anxiety writing on the downfall of a legend and how he should be replaced with the next best thing.

  21. Russell Wilson isn’t held accountable because Pete Carroll understands that he’s special.
    Time for old Pete to gather the boys in a circle, toast some marshmallows, sing kumbayah (and warn the next player to speak openly gets traded to Cleveland).

  22. From an outsider perspective it appears that Carroll is more of a cheerleader than HC. When I watched the NFL film on Super Bowl 49 it showed Carroll giving the rah-rah (“We never give you one this easy.”) while BB was actually coaching situation and technique. It appears that the Pete Carroll cheerleading gig is coming to an end.

  23. He did throw 34 TDs two seasons ago without Lynch playing, and their O has been top 10 in 4 of last 5 years.

    3 to 1 TD to INT ratio, 65% career completion, of course a few stinker games, he isn’t top-5, bit definitely top 10.

    I mean, do teammates think there are that many better QBs out there? Are they ignoring their horrible o-line and declining D? A bit bizarre.

  24. @tylawspick6 – didn’t seattle beat the Pats in New England last year? Seattle beat both New England and Atlanta in the regular season last year.

    Had Earl Thomas not broken his leg, and Deshawn Shead not torn his ACL things would have been way different in the post season for seattle.

    The people who think the ship is sinking are just hoping it sinks because they hate seattle and are scared of seattle putting it all together again.

    Bottom line is, with the exception of new england no other team has had as much success as Seattle in the last five years.

  25. I think it’s safe to prospect out of all that has been written past 2 years….Wilson is a goober, and goobers aren’t well liked in macho locker rooms. If he keeps producing, he’ll be fine.

  26. Nah….

    No dysfunction here !!!

    Nothing to see….. move along…. all media created drama….

    None of this is true….

    Seth Wickeshams article was made up….

    There were no issues on Seattles sidelines caught by TV cameras….

    Nothing to see here !!

    Now excuse me, I have to return to burying my head in the sand.

  27. this all started after that superbowl loss to the pats. the seahawks should have at the least ran play action on that last play, instead they tried to make russell wilson the hero. plus promoting chris richard instead of ken norton jr. did not help at all.

  28. Guess Wilson truly has reached Elite QB status now that the national media is writing articles about how he may be treated different than the rest of the team? Seems to be the popular go to tripe for folks trying to stir the pot on Brady or Rodgers.

  29. The drama. It started with the media thinking they knew better about draft picks. Then it was on to Pete Carroll and his USC days. Now it’s complaining about how Wilson is treated.

  30. ketch20too says:
    May 30, 2017 1:24 PM
    Wilson essentially got no grief for that SB pass. I can see where that would be point of contention with other players.

    I’m still amazed at how many people don’t know the difference between a bad call, bad execution and just a flat out great defensive call/play.

    If you ran that play 100 times they probably score on 90 of them. The ball was on target and the player was in the perfect position. What went wrong was Kearse couldn’t push Browner back into Butler. Had he done his job Seattle wins.

    Anyone not mesmerized by the chant “beast mode” understands why he didn’t get the ball.
    But that’s probably a little too exs and ohs for the casual fan.

  31. The Seahawks are the Ravens of the NFC. Most Ravens fans went to bat when questions arose about Flacco’s contribution to them winning, most pointed to that defense and a great coaching staff as the main reason despite Flacco playing at a near perfect level during their SB run. Now, most Ravens fans have turned on Flacco.

    I fully expect Seahawk fans to stick by Wilson at this time but eventually, they are going to have to realize that their success was less about Wilson and more about that defense and Lynch. It’s a lot easier for a QB to look great when playing with a great team.

  32. Wow, Seattle beat both New England and Atlanta during the regular season and lost to both in the playoffs. That’s fantastic. They had injuries? Pats didn’t have Brady for the 1rst 4 gms and didn’t have Gronk for the end of the season and the playoffs. And still won the SBowl. Excuses are for losers. The seahawks have gone from winning the SBowl, to losing it, to getting blown out 2 yrs in a row in the divisional round. Now they have cap problems and the locker room is out of control. Anyone that doesn’t see this is a sinking ship doesn’t get it.

  33. Sorry, obviously they didn’t lose to the Pats in last yrs playoffs. Just on the big stage.

  34. hawks1124 says:
    May 30, 2017 3:50 PM

    The only tough games on Seahawks schedule is GB, ATL, and Dallas. Say hello to homefield advantage through the playoffs.
    ———————————————

    With Bevell calling the games…and a defense that can no longer win the game for you…none of the games are sure wins.

  35. Seattle will finish 9-7 at best. Cards will have the division wrapped up by Thanksgiving.

  36. I do agree with Seahawk fans in the respect that the headline is kind of misleading….

    But so we’re Baldwins statements, and it’s pretty easy to read between the lines….

    He was asked point blank if Wilson was held accountable, and he replied “I don’t know”

    Having played football for many years, on many teams with many coaches…..There is no “I don’t know”.

    You know….one way or another, every single member of that Roster knows…. the fact he didn’t answer “Yes” was pretty damning.

  37. Not a Hawks fan but this is ridiculous, just a feeding frenzy over the fact that Sherman is a volatile jerk. Everyone knows that but the press typically just wants to blow it out of proportion and stir things up to create content.

  38. Speaking during his usual Monday appearance on 710 ESPN Seattle’s “Brock and Salk,” Seahawks coach Pete Carroll intimated he expects more production from quarterback Russell Wilson and tight end Jimmy Graham.

    Wilson went 14 of 32 for 240 yards, one touchdown and two turnovers (one interception, one fumble) in Sunday night’s 39-32 loss to the Arizona Cardinals at CenturyLink Field.

    Wilson also added six carries for a team-high 52 yards. He was sacked twice, bringing his season total to an NFL-worst 33.

    “He’s got his chances. He’s got to hit some passes. He had some opportunities, and he knows it,” Carroll said. “We talked a long time about it afterward, about the ones that we missed… there was chances down the field. The one on the pick. He was there. We were high on a couple balls that we could have hit.”

    One of them was Wilson’s second-half interception on a deep pass intended for wide receiver Doug Baldwin. Baldwin was open, but the ball was overthrown, and Cardinals safety Tyrann Mathieu made the interception.

  39. Baldwin, appearing on 710 ESPN Seattle prior to the start of organized team activities Tuesday, said “there wasn’t much” reaction to the article from the team and “it was pretty quiet on the front.”

    Asked specifically if there was any truth to the resentment claims, Baldwin wasn’t sure.

    “I mean, it’s an article,” Baldwin said. “Honestly, I didn’t even read the entire article. I read parts of it. Didn’t really have time to read the whole thing. But, nah, I think Pete does a fantastic job of handling different individuals differently. We all have our different personalities; we all act different ways and Pete does a fantastic job of accommodating those personalities.

  40. bradygirl12 says:
    May 30, 2017 2:53 PM
    It seems like the Seahawks are imploding before the season even gets started. Everyone’s hating on Russell Wilson. Not a good sign…

    I wouldn’t bet on it. Hard times can pull a team together. That and as a Pat’s fan I see no profit in declaring a team DOA before the season. Those guys have a touch of pride as well. Do I think it will happen? Probably not but no one thought that when it was 28-3 that, well, you know.

    Or as we say in NE, nevah say nevah.

  41. @factschecker

    Correction, the Patriots were the beneficiary of the 2nd greatest choke job in NFL history (HOU-BUFF ’92 the 1st). Get the facts straight. The only great thing about TB12 is how great his luck is. Goes to a team where their division rivals have decided to take a 20 year nap. How great do you have to be to throw a 10 yard out pattern over and over again? At least Montana would throw long every now and then.

    As for the Seahawks, hopefully the 12th Man (Registered Trademark of Texas A&M) will fade into the mist soon. The Seahawks will become a forgotten team like they were the first 30 years of their existence.

  42. shooter28 says:

    SEA is done, with all of the problems that roster has with the worst O-Line in the NFL, No CBs as Lane is horrible and the rookie isn’t ready and with 3 extremely injury prone RBs one of which is in decline in Lacy who hasn’t sniffed 1K YDs since 2014 or scored a rushing TD in 2 freaking years, The Hawks are going to Implode this year. You take a flawed roster then added anger/emotions in to the mix and its never good, especially with the team aging. Both of their best pass rushers are over 30+ YRs old, Sherman and Kam are almost 30, Earl Thomas is getting there. SEA is going to need rebuild in the next few years, I think the team implodes this year and they get an Early jump start.

    Arizona is loaded this year, I’d bet money AZ re-takes the NFC-W again this year. SEA is done.
    —————————————————————-
    LOL yeah they implode all the way to 12-4, home field and another Super Bowl. Frank Clark had 11.5 sacks by the way, and he’s 24. As to the Cardinals, don’t make me laugh. They won 7 games a year ago, lost their best player in free agency and didn’t replace 3 other starters they lost on a no-so-great defense. Their 2 best offensive players are 36 and 34 respectively.

    I guess the “aging team” mantra now replaces the “cap hell” trope for Seahawk haters because that never happened, just like I told you. What will you say next year?

    Not much, is my guess.

  43. I read the full article in question. It was more about the offense as a unit not being held to the same standard as the defensive unit, and that has been true for years. Wilson was mentioned as being too positive and chipper all the time, that’s about it. There are not many QB’S I would take over Wilson in recent memory, especially when you are down in the 4th quarter.

  44. It should read”the triumphant return of Lemmy Akyadis” says:
    May 30, 2017 3:19 PM

    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand the issue Sherman & some others have with Wilson, and it has nothing to do with football.
    —————————-

    All of this because of Ciera? How petty.

  45. Berfore the 2016 season,Pete Carroll said that Russell Wilson was going to work on his PhD in Quarterback play.
    Anybody else notice that they’ve never mentioned that again?

  46. Some would say the same thing about Drew Brees. When you win a super bowl, and you have a clean image, you get a thick coat of Teflon. The teflon comes with a lifetime warranty. That’s just the way it is.

  47. People forget Russell Wilson threw 4 picks in the NFC championship game just two weeks before the SB debacle. His defense bailed him out and the Packers defense choked. RW is a good but not great QB.

  48. Wilson is a flake that defense was so good it covered for his average play. Well now the defense is growing old who will cover Wilson?

  49. thejimmyshoes says:
    May 30, 2017 4:50 PM

    @factschecker

    Correction, the Patriots were the beneficiary of the 2nd greatest choke job in NFL history (HOU-BUFF ’92 the 1st). Get the facts straight. The only great thing about TB12 is how great his luck is. Goes to a team where their division rivals have decided to take a 20 year nap. How great do you have to be to throw a 10 yard out pattern over and over again? At least Montana would throw long every now and then.

    As for the Seahawks, hopefully the 12th Man (Registered Trademark of Texas A&M) will fade into the mist soon. The Seahawks will become a forgotten team like they were the first 30 years of their existence.
    ———————————————————
    Lemme guess, your team blows? Have a nice off season.

  50. factschecker says:
    May 30, 2017 1:21 PM
    vinzclorth0 says:
    May 30, 2017 1:10 PM
    When the Patriots beat you, they rip your heart out. This is just one more piece of evidence.
    ———-
    We are not immune. The Giants ripped my heart out TWICE.
    Fellow Pats fan.
    ——————
    Fellow Pats fan, you completely missed the point. It was regarding how the franchises rebounded after the loses that was the point.

  51. With stories like this, it’s really a wonder than any NFL player will talk to the media. How do you turn “I don’t know” into a full-fledged story? You fill in the blanks with speculation, here-say, and bald-faced lies. Wow…just wow!

  52. The Seahawks rebounded by going back to the playoffs for the next 2 years (this season will be the 3rd). Compare that to teams like the 49ers, who actually did self-destruct inside of 2 years, and the Panthers, who collapsed in less than 1.

    You’re a little too obsessed with a team in whose success you have no part. I understand it’s all you have in your life, but it’s not healthy.

  53. Seahawksboymike-

    You are single-handedly keeping Hawks trolls in business. Everyone else recognizes them, what’s your deal? When someone bothers to write a novella about how awful the Hawks are, they do so in hopes of getting someone riled up. And every single time, you take the bait.

    Shrug it off man, let them scream into the void; Seattlites, Washingtonians and Pacific Northwesterners have better things to do with our lives, than to validate random turds all day long.

  54. Sometimes when BB and the Pats lay waste to your team, it comes in different ways and different styles, but the result is the same.

    Teams go into tailspins, regardless of how fast or slow, once NE exposes them

    You have to admit this is a slow fade. Seattle playing with an injured RW went into Foxboro November last year and beat them 31-24.

    Not a Seattle fan but let’s wait a little bit longer before burying them. They are very much alive.

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