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More talk that Seahawks didn’t want Kaepernick competing with Wilson

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As the Seahawks were considering signing Colin Kaepernick, we explored the possibility that they might choose not to sign him because they didn’t want to risk a quarterback competition developing with Russell Wilson. Now that the Seahawks have decided not to sign Kaepernick, there’s more talk that they didn’t want him competing with Wilson.

Former Seahawks quarterback Brock Huard, who now works in sports radio in Seattle and hosts Pete Carroll’s weekly radio show during the season, said on the air Monday that he thinks the Seahawks’ decision to pass on Kaepernick came in part because quarterback is the one position where Carroll wouldn’t want competition.

“As much as Pete wants to compete at every position, quarterbacks are different. And especially when you’ve got a $20 million quarterback, and a guy that you know is your franchise, a guy that you believe in deeply,” Huard said on 710 ESPN. “It would have been too much. Too much for a locker room, for a quarterback room that doesn’t need it.”

To be clear, no one is saying Kaepernick is just going to waltz into Seattle and depose Wilson as the starter. But with the recent reports that the Seahawks’ defense isn’t big on Wilson, it’s easy to envision a scenario in which Wilson has a rough game, and suddenly there’s chatter that maybe some folks in the locker room think it’s time for Kaepernick to get a shot. That’s the kind of chatter that football coaches hate.

And that’s the kind of chatter that won’t exist as long as the quarterback depth chart behind Wilson consists of Trevone Boykin and Austin Davis. Unlike Boykin and Davis, Kaepernick has been a successful NFL starter. And now he may be a victim of his own success.

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  1. itbacw says: Jun 6, 2017 7:39 AM

    Russell Wilson can’t get his front office to acquire a decent offensive lineman to protect him, and yet you think he somehow gets to pick his backup?

    Use some common sense.

    PS: The “Seahawks defense isn’t big on Wilson” garbage is fake news. It was debunked by every defensive star except Sherman, who everyone knows is a tool.

  2. itssocoldinthed says: Jun 6, 2017 7:41 AM

    Define “successful starter”

  3. sillybillywillyrillyinphilly says: Jun 6, 2017 7:42 AM

    Yep, there it is. He is now too successful to be signed.

  4. roth19 says: Jun 6, 2017 7:46 AM

    From the start Seattle was never interested in Kaepernick. If you are interested in a player why would you ever announce it before you even contact the player? Why would you want the whole league to know? Why would you want to potentially create a bidding war? It was all a bs publicity stunt by Carroll to show, “oh look at us, look at how open we are to the idea of signing him.”

    His excuse is even worse for not signing him. “We aren’t signing him because he’s a potential starter in the league.” Lol. Totally makes sense. I’d much rather have Austin Davis as a back up than a potential starter….

    Kaepernick is too much of a distraction and he won’t get signed by anyone. Who wants a media distraction caused by their back up QB???

    It’s common sense and every sports outlet keeps writing articles and having segments as to why he isn’t signed. There’s nothing else to it except he’s a huge distraction and potentially sucks.

  5. oldhuskerfan says: Jun 6, 2017 7:48 AM

    Victim of his own success. Man, that’s rich. The dude is victim of his own stupidity. First he takes a knee and then he turns his back on a multi-million guaranteed contract. To be dumber than that, he’d have to be dead.

  6. brendafortheboyz says: Jun 6, 2017 7:49 AM

    Yeah, right! Mara said it best, and I NEVER thought I would agree with him on anything!!!

  7. RandyinRoxbury says: Jun 6, 2017 7:50 AM

    Kap couldn’t beat out Gabbert, now he’s a threat to Wilson?
    #fakenews

  8. hehateme2 says: Jun 6, 2017 7:51 AM

    Lil’ Russell is coddled. And the team is imploding from within due to it.

  9. weepingjebus says: Jun 6, 2017 7:54 AM

    He also doesn’t go to barbers because his hair is so luxurious and powerful that it would just embarrass them.

  10. thekillernacho says: Jun 6, 2017 7:57 AM

    “And now he may be a victim of his own success.”

    Oh lawd, you are seriously deluded at this point. There’s no way Kaep provides competition with Wilson anyway.

  11. nobamano says: Jun 6, 2017 7:59 AM

    Now que the demonstrations!

  12. 2ruefan says: Jun 6, 2017 8:05 AM

    Truly HILARIOUS take MSS.
    Try more like now he is a victim of his own stupidity…

  13. torethatbridgeout says: Jun 6, 2017 8:14 AM

    Oookay…so I guess that’s why the Seahawks aren’t going to sign me either, right? Can’t possibly be because I’m not good enough….

  14. ragnarthegreat says: Jun 6, 2017 8:19 AM

    Just a thopught here….

    Brock Huard quotes no sources within the organization, no players, not even a player’s wife. He just says “I think” and we write about it. Lots of folks have opinions. We still don’t know much about why they did sign Kap. We just know what Huard thinks.

  15. makimaguro says: Jun 6, 2017 8:21 AM

    What does Huard know about competing?

  16. hitman21st says: Jun 6, 2017 8:43 AM

    itbacw says:

    PS: The “Seahawks defense isn’t big on Wilson” garbage is fake news. It was debunked by every defensive star except Sherman, who everyone knows is a tool.

    ——————————————————————–

    Can you imagine the chirping that would be going on between Sherman and Kaep in practice though if the Seahawks did sign him? It would be worth the price of admission to training camp just to listen to those two (well, maybe just Sherman) go at it.

  17. excusemewhileiwhipthisoutagain says: Jun 6, 2017 8:43 AM

    I think the article hit it on the head.

    Kap “has been” a successful starter. It captures the essence of Kap, who is now most decidedly an NFL “has been.”

  18. cafetero1075 says: Jun 6, 2017 8:48 AM

    Russell Wilson can not be that insecure. I don’t buy it.

  19. collectordude says: Jun 6, 2017 8:51 AM

    Would much rather have Wison be my starter than krapernick.

    kaepernick sucks.

  20. jetblackninja says: Jun 6, 2017 8:52 AM

    The the anthem protest or pigs socks didn’t convince every owner to ignore Kaepernick, then this constant media circus surrounding the Seahawks should do the trick.

    If this is the baggage that comes from even talking to the guy… can you imagine the disaster that would come with actually signing the guy?

  21. theashleyguy says: Jun 6, 2017 9:02 AM

    hehateme2 says:
    Jun 6, 2017 7:51 AM
    Lil’ Russell is coddled. And the team is imploding from within due to it.
    ______________________________________________
    Yeah, just look at the way the team is imploding. In the last 5 years, the best record in the NFC, 5 straight trips to the playoffs, 2 trips to the Super Bowl, and 1 Super Bowl win. Every team in the NFC would love to implode like that. And every team in the NFL (except New England) would love to implode from within just like that, too.

  22. aaronrodgers618 says: Jun 6, 2017 9:02 AM

    “And now he may be a victim of his own success.”

    PFT just jumped the shark…

  23. largent80 says: Jun 6, 2017 9:07 AM

    This is some pretty tortured logic.

    So, we’re supposed to believe that that they brought in Kaep for a look-see, only to discover – what? That he was better than they thought? Too close for comfort with thin-skinned Russ?

    If they’re really that nervous about upsetting Russ, why bring Kaep in at all?

    Here’s an alternative explanation. Last year’s backup QB is now facing legal troubles. They want to kick the tires on a new backup. They don’t want to commit too much cap room to the backup because in 2018 they will have to potentially re-sign Kam Chancellor, Jimmy Graham and Justin Britt to new contracts or lose them in free agency. Kaep comes in, willing to listen, but still wanting starter money. End of story.

  24. kevinlawrencecantor says: Jun 6, 2017 9:14 AM

    Yeah, I am sure the guy who got 3 yards against the Chicago Bears last season had a real shot at unseating Russell Wilson.

  25. abninf says: Jun 6, 2017 9:21 AM

    Article summary: Brock Huard thinks.

  26. pastabelly says: Jun 6, 2017 9:21 AM

    You can only imagine that crazy locker room in Seattle if Kaepernick went in when Wilson got hurt and Kaepernick put up big numbers. If you think that locker room is insane now, that would make it blow up. It would be great for all fans to see, but that’s not what Pete wants.

  27. bernieknowsfootball says: Jun 6, 2017 9:39 AM

    Please quit giving this guy ink, enough is enough on this loser !!!

  28. sire703 says: Jun 6, 2017 9:53 AM

    Further evidence Kap should be ON a team.

  29. redclaw1314 says: Jun 6, 2017 9:55 AM

    Kaepernick aside, isn’t there something faulty about a team not wanting a good backup QB?

  30. scrp2 says: Jun 6, 2017 9:56 AM

    Almost every team who has invested in a franchise quarterback will not have “starting caliber” quarterback as a back-up. Because noone from the owner on down wants to see that money circling down the drain. Except if you’re Houston.

  31. Steelhead says: Jun 6, 2017 10:04 AM

    pastabelly says:
    Jun 6, 2017 9:21 AM
    You can only imagine that crazy locker room in Seattle if Kaepernick went in when Wilson got hurt and Kaepernick put up big numbers. If you think that locker room is insane now, that would make it blow up. It would be great for all fans to see, but that’s not what Pete wants.

    ——————
    Actually, if Wilson went down Seattle would have a pretty serious problem on their hands. So IF Kaep was the backup and went in and put up huge numbers that solves that problem. Pete would find that a huge relief. There is no way he would prefer losing games without Wilson over winning them. As far as discussions on who should start after Wilson came back Pete’s going to have supporters and detractors either way. He just makes his decision and takes the heat from one side or the other. Problems stemming from 2 qb playing well a coach is willing to take. In this imaginary scenario everybody wins.

    What I dont understand is this percieved obligation on anyone to sign Kaep. All that ‘free country’argument (which is valid) means tha teams are free to sign who they want. Yet there some that feel a team is not free, that there is some sort of requirement. What I dont get is which team has that obligation exactly? To say he is owed a job you would have to say specifically who owes it.

  32. dickroy says: Jun 6, 2017 10:18 AM

    The real reason he can’t get signed by any team is because no one can find a helmet big enough to fit over his head.

  33. jaysayz says: Jun 6, 2017 10:30 AM

    Kap didn’t even get signed and he’s creating all of this controversy in Seattle. No wonder they didn’t sign him. Smart move Pete. Maybe now mike and the rest of the SJW’S can realize their coverage is the real reason kap’s not even getting a backup role. Let’s all put on our Castro shirts and pig socks and stage a protest.

  34. intrafinesse says: Jun 6, 2017 10:32 AM

    Russel Wilson is a pretty good QB, and some may say an excellent QB.
    Kaepernick is a below average QB, and some may say pretty bad QB.

    Are we expected to believe that the Seattle front office is worried that Kaepernick will out perform Wilson?
    What if he does?
    Wouldn’t that be good for the team?

    If Garoppolo outperformed Tom Brady would the Patriots not be happy?

  35. krm62015 says: Jun 6, 2017 10:32 AM

    Umm, I think Austin Davis actually has 1 win against Seattle since 2014, whereas Kaep has none. Also backup quarterbacks do more than just come in when there is an injury. Maybe ole Kaep couldn’t demonstrate he knows how to show other offenses when doing his interview to help the scout team.

  36. joeychittwood says: Jun 6, 2017 10:33 AM

    If anything, Pete Carroll is afraid of signing Kaep cause he knows he’s got a bunch of il informed wanna be activists on his Defense and if they signed Kaep his team would blow up as the media fed into the defenses anti Wilson ways (how many guys on that D have implied or outright said that Russ “doesn’t come from ‘our’ culture”
    Actually, now it all makes perfect sense…. the media has been pushing the Kaep in SEA for so long cause they know it’ll blow up the racial angle and be “news” for at least a year

  37. cadreamer1969 says: Jun 6, 2017 10:40 AM

    The Seahawks like Boykin. The talking heads can make all the stupid claims they want. Way to combine the Seahawks are in disarray and we love Kaepernick at PFT stories.

  38. The Phantom Stranger says: Jun 6, 2017 10:50 AM

    Don’t laugh. This is exactly why the Packers never have a competent backup quarterback. Can you imagine how fast Rodgers’ teammates would turn on him if they had anyone who could play behind him?

  39. patsfan4lifesbchamps says: Jun 6, 2017 10:50 AM

    Pete Carroll = Jim Harbaugh 2.0

  40. blowoff2014 says: Jun 6, 2017 10:58 AM

    With all due respect, the notion that Kaepernick is “competition” for Wilson is ridiculous.

    In terms of football intelligence, there’s no comparison., Kaepernick is a one read QB, if his first target is covered, he runs.

  41. illmatic8582 says: Jun 6, 2017 11:01 AM

    Colin should run for president in 2020 and get that fat POS out of office

  42. jag1959 says: Jun 6, 2017 11:02 AM

    “And now PFT may finally have to accept Kaepernick might just simply be victim of his own special kind of stupid.”

    Fixed that last sentence for you.
    No Castro, no pig socks and had he bothered to vote and he just might have a job somewhere but you can’t combine controversy, hypocrisy, stupidity and divisiveness on a big stage then expect there to be no backlash. Just ask Kathy Griffin.

  43. blowoff2014 says: Jun 6, 2017 11:04 AM

    cafetero1075 says:
    Jun 6, 2017 8:48 AM
    Russell Wilson can not be that insecure. I don’t buy it.

    ###############

    With all the doubters (over his height etc) Wilson has had to deal with during his life, and losing his Dad who meant so much to him, somebody thinks insecurity is a problem for Wilson?

  44. bayousooner90 says: Jun 6, 2017 11:07 AM

    Is this talk from the same homeless guy that told the Browns to draft Manziel?

    Face fact Kaepernick is not starter material
    28-30 record
    12-4, 8-8, 2-6, 1-10 since 2013 he has been garbage.
    Completion rate 59.3
    Rating 88.9

    If the Seahawks care about winning the WANT a qb to come in a push their starter.

  45. Steelhead says: Jun 6, 2017 11:09 AM

    intrafinesse says:
    Jun 6, 2017 10:32 AM

    If Garoppolo outperformed Tom Brady would the Patriots not be happy?

    —-As ludicrous as you seem to find that question there were those among fans and media (but not team mates, not ever) that were not stopped from putting it forth anyhow. Its just Brady is secure enough to dismiss it as noise not to be bothered by.

    The Phantom Stranger says:
    Jun 6, 2017 10:50 AM
    Don’t laugh. This is exactly why the Packers never have a competent backup quarterback. Can you imagine how fast Rodgers’ teammates would turn on him if they had anyone who could play behind him?

    —-Like with Brady above I have to think Rogers is secure enough in where he stands that he would be able to dismiss any such noise.

  46. fwippel says: Jun 6, 2017 11:11 AM

    Anyone who has been watching the NFL for the past three seasons knows that Kaepernick is no where near a threat to take Wilson’s starting job from him, were these two on the same roster.

    Give it a rest.

  47. Steelhead says: Jun 6, 2017 11:11 AM

    illmatic8582 says:
    Jun 6, 2017 11:01 AM
    Colin should run for president in 2020 and get that fat POS out of office

    ——–

    Fair enough. That there is a qb competition Kaep would likely win.

  48. exinsidetrader says: Jun 6, 2017 11:15 AM

    illmatic8582 says:
    Jun 6, 2017 11:01 AM

    Colin should run for president in 2020 and get that fat POS out of office
    _______________

    Hillary did not win. Body-shaming deranged insults, and insane delusions are now the brand of Liberals.

    Please cry and shake more…. and stick to football.

  49. mlhigh says: Jun 6, 2017 11:37 AM

    Wilson is Pete’s pet. God forbid if anything was done to ruffle his feathers and fragile ego.

  50. twinfan24 says: Jun 6, 2017 11:42 AM

    Who knows if this is true? But, if it is, and Wilson is too thin skinned to handle some competition, is he really worth paying $20 million? You should always bring in the best competition you can. If they determine that Kaepernick wasn’t going to help the roster, that is fine. But, if they didn’t bring him in to protect Wilson’s feelings, that is just plain dumb.

  51. bradjames33160 says: Jun 6, 2017 11:43 AM

    how dare you disrespect a potential Hall of Famer by comparing him to a fraud who looks like Squidword?

  52. orangedestroyer says: Jun 6, 2017 11:48 AM

    Go away Kap.
    You are a cancer.
    Go play for the Havana Hippos

  53. j huber says: Jun 6, 2017 11:52 AM

    Wilson needs someone to build a fire under his butt.
    Big contract and low productivity. Count number of time last season where Hawks offense had more than 400 yards, or 40 points. Look at their 6-3 win over Cardinals.
    Defense is winning games and doing heavy lifting.

  54. mogogo1 says: Jun 6, 2017 11:57 AM

    I’m not a fan of Russell Wilson but it blows me away how much negativity is directed his way. Their line is terrible and he consistently plays very well despite that. Nobody with a clue thinks that Kaepernick would be able to beat him out. In that offense with that line I doubt anybody in the NFL would be able to outperform him–a traditional pocket QB would end up in the hospital after a game or two.

  55. war27 says: Jun 6, 2017 11:57 AM

    23TD, 6 INT 3260yrds vs 21TD 11INT 4200yrds with 100 more attempts.

    The first stat line is Kap’s stretched to 16 games. Without the kneeling it’s not that far of a stretch to think Kap could roll into Seattle and challenge what’s there for a starting QB.

  56. southpaw79 says: Jun 6, 2017 12:01 PM

    Kap did this to himself. He deserves this.
    Now Seattle did this to themselves too. They deserve the flack they are getting. It seems they had no interest in signing Kap but someone (ownership/coaching staff) agrees with Kap’s stance so they wanted to give him some positive headlines. Help get him his next job. Well Seattle, you stepped into this and now the three ring circus is attached to you. At least Kap was upfront and honest with his misguided protest while someone in Seattle is trying to push the same message but without having their name attached to it.

  57. xevious02 says: Jun 6, 2017 12:04 PM

    So Now it’s Wilson might be threatened by a guy who can’t even get a job……Yeah right. I guess Krap is just blessed with too much talent. A victim of his own Greatness right?

  58. metalup666 says: Jun 6, 2017 12:10 PM

    “Kaep comes in, willing to listen, but still wanting starter money”

    Actually, the Seahawks and Kaepernick were on the same page as far as the money thing was concerned. I don’t buy the starting QB thing and any controversy as Wilson is clearly a better QB.

  59. illmatic8582 says: Jun 6, 2017 12:10 PM

    @exinsidertrader

    Not a left, if it was Hillary and trump again, I’d still want trump to win bc he can’t govern so but Hillary is just as bad plus she can get stuff done which is worse. At least trump doesn’t accomplish anything. Kaep 2020!

  60. bradjames33160 says: Jun 6, 2017 12:16 PM

    what is this nonsense I’m reading that Russell Wilson has thin skin? He’s been criticized plenty. He shakes it off well and continues to play well even though his offensive line is arguably the worst in the league.

  61. kifleheimer says: Jun 6, 2017 12:33 PM

    Anyone that thinks Kaepernick is ANYWHERE near Russell Wilson as a QB and could provide competition is either delusional or knows nothing about football. Colon is nowhere near Wilson as an Athlete, as a leader or as a man. Zero chance he would be competition. Try again.

  62. omeimontis says: Jun 6, 2017 12:41 PM

    Competing against Wilson? They are not going to sit a $20 million a year quarterback on the bench, are they? The real reason for Seattle not signing Kap is that they have no Kap space. Kap may listen to their offer of minimum pay but he is not likely to accept it at this point in his career. Nor does he want to be a backup.

  63. PFT loves the Steelers says: Jun 6, 2017 12:51 PM

    Kaepernick compared to Blaine Gabbert:

    Kaep: 3-16 record
    Blaine: 4-9 record

    Offense averaged 16.2 points and 301.6 yards under Kaep
    Offense averaged 18.5 points and 312.2 yards under Blaine

    Kaep fumbled a whopping 14 times
    Blaine fumbled 4 times

    Kaep sacked a whopping 64 times on 575 attempts
    Blaine sacked 36 times on 442 attempts
    ____________________

    Kaepernick just can’t lead an offense. He’s been outperformed by a bust.

  64. jag1959 says: Jun 6, 2017 1:04 PM

    illmatic8582 says:
    Jun 6, 2017 11:01 AM

    Colin should run for president in 2020 and get that fat POS out of office
    _________________________

    If you knew anything about how people get elected and what is required to run for the presidency you would know that’s an impossibility. While someone’s weight isn’t an impediment to being elected president being under 35 is.

  65. wimpyburgers says: Jun 6, 2017 1:09 PM

    Did we miss Russell Wilson’s PhD graduation ceremony?
    What happened to all that happy talk?

  66. joma1969 says: Jun 6, 2017 1:11 PM

    largent80 says:
    Jun 6, 2017 9:07 AM
    Kaep comes in, willing to listen, but still wanting starter money. End of story.

    —————————

    Really? The guys with pretty much zero options and having trouble finding even backup interest is demanding starter money? If that were true, which I find rather hard to believe, the guy is a complete moron.

  67. alphafantasyfootball says: Jun 6, 2017 1:14 PM

    This idea shows how little football intelligence some in the medi have. In no universe would Kaepernick upset Wilson for a QB position. It’s beyond a joke to even hint at it. The Kaepernick job train will resort to nothing huh?

  68. ninerfan81 says: Jun 6, 2017 1:20 PM

    black balled for exercising his right to free speech

  69. noknoknokpenny says: Jun 6, 2017 1:35 PM

    ninerfan81 says:
    Jun 6, 2017 1:20 PM
    black balled for exercising his right to free speech.

    ====================
    You’re confusing your right to free speech with my right to disagree.

    I consider Kaepernick’s actions highly offensive and personally insulting. And I think that was his intention.

    Are you saying that I don’t have a right to my opinion?

  70. chawk12thman says: Jun 6, 2017 1:47 PM

    Disagree with Brock and virtually every premise made here.

  71. dregonspengler says: Jun 6, 2017 1:49 PM

    ninerfan81 says:
    black balled for exercising his right to free speech

    He has no free speech rights on his employer’s time. The 1st Amendment outlines a citizen’s rights in relationship to the government, period.
    You can say whatever you want in the private sector, but you’re not immune from the consequences of your actions and speech.
    Here’s some free advice which you no doubt will ignore: Go back to junior high, and this time stay awake.

  72. unofficialvoice says: Jun 6, 2017 2:21 PM

    Seriously?
    Aren’t you guys supposed to be the ‘pundits’?
    The ‘professionals’ at NFL analysis?

    Do any of you ACTUALLY think that Kaep would be a serious challenge to Wilson for the starting job in Seattle?

    Perhaps Pete was just throwing Kaepernick a bone by being the first to invite him in for a work out, but let’s be real:
    He had zero chance of actually beating Wilson out for a starting slot in that organization.

  73. metalup666 says: Jun 6, 2017 2:52 PM

    “He has no free speech rights on his employer’s time. The 1st Amendment outlines a citizen’s rights in relationship to the government, period.
    You can say whatever you want in the private sector, but you’re not immune from the consequences of your actions and speech.
    Here’s some free advice which you no doubt will ignore: Go back to junior high, and this time stay awake.”

    Best, correct and funniest post I have read today. Good on you!!

  74. squackduckhawk says: Jun 6, 2017 7:27 PM

    I am getting extremely tired of reading “Seahawks” and “Kaepernick” in the same sentence. He does not, has not, and will not play for the Seahawks.

  75. spinoza3 says: Jun 10, 2017 10:00 PM

    This is another big pile of balderdash about Seattle Seahawks! There has been lot of effort in the sports media to link unpopular and unwanted Kapernick with the Seahawks. And consistently including Seahawks name in the same sentence with Keapernick. NFL ran a special feature on their official website with Seahawks log and Keapernick with his big afro! This went on for weeks. But why? Firstly it was Ian Rapoport now the NFL Insider former New England Patriot beat reporter for the Boston Herald started a falsehood campaign saying that deal between the Seahawks and Colin Keapernick was imminent! It was a huge lie. There were zero negotiations or deal making. It was a slandering fake news campaign to make unpopular and unwanted Keapernick Seattle Seahawks’ problem. And Ian Rapaport got what he wanted for the most part. Rapoport started this fake story. He was trying to tie Keapernick around Seattle Seahawks neck. A whole slew of reporters joined in the campaign. But Ian Rapoport knew what he was doing. The issue of Colin Keapernick would have created schisms with Seattle Seahawks players and staff– set off a divisions in the organization and the fans and the community. It could have done lot of damage to the Seattle Seahawks! Seattle Seahawks had zero interest in Colin Keapernick. It was Rapoport the clever, tricky and divisive man who concocted this fake news story. True at the end Keapernick made a visit with Seahawks. Pete Carroll said at a press conference he did not even talk to Keapernick. There were no talks–nothing. You may find it amusing that Rapaport’s connections are deeply rooted in New England Patriot organization— his actions clearly reminds me of Nixon era dirty operative like Lee Atwater.

  76. aarons444 says: Jun 13, 2017 2:33 PM

    2013.. *maybe* Kaep could compete

    Last time I looked at my calendar it said 2017………….

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