Aaron Rodgers will be first QB with 300 TDs before 100 interceptions

AP

Ten players in NFL history have thrown 300 or more touchdown passes. Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers is poised to become the 11th — and the first to do so before throwing 100 interceptions.

As noted by Elisha Twerski, Rodgers needs three touchdown passes to become the 11th player in NFL history with 300. The other 10 quarterbacks averaged 171 interceptions before throwing their 300th touchdown. Rodgers has thrown 72 interceptions.

Here’s a look at how many interceptions each of the other 10 quarterbacks with 300 touchdown passes had thrown at the time they got No. 300:

Peyton Manning is the NFL’s all-time leader with 539 career touchdown passes. He had 152 interceptions when he threw his 300th touchdown.

Brett Favre threw 508 career touchdown passes. He had 175 interceptions when he threw his 300th touchdown.

Drew Brees has 465 career touchdown passes. He had 154 interceptions when he threw his 300th touchdown.

Tom Brady has 456 career touchdown passes. He had 115 interceptions when he threw his 300th touchdown.

Dan Marino threw 420 career touchdown passes. He had 169 interceptions when he threw his 300th touchdown.

Fran Tarkenton threw 342 career touchdown passes. He had 219 interceptions when he threw his 300th touchdown.

Eli Manning has 320 career touchdown passes. He had 205 interceptions when he threw his 300th touchdown.

Philip Rivers has 314 career touchdown passes. He had 146 interceptions when he threw his 300th touchdown.

Ben Roethlisberger has 301 career touchdown passes. He had 160 interceptions when he threw his 300th touchdown.

John Elway retired with exactly 300 career touchdown passes and 226 career interceptions.

With just 115 interceptions at the time he threw touchdown No. 300, Brady had the fewest picks of anyone to reach the mark. Rodgers will throw No. 300 with about 40 fewer interceptions than Brady had.

234 responses to “Aaron Rodgers will be first QB with 300 TDs before 100 interceptions

  1. This is the first data based statement that puts Rogers above Brady. I’m a Pats fan and all the other stats don’t mean much. Turnovers to Touchdowns is one of the more compelling stats.

  2. Aaron Rodgers is a great quarterback and puts up amazing video game-like stats. Statistically, he’s the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

    That said, the game has changed a lot since he came into the league. Interceptions are not tolerated to the extent they were even 10 years ago. Last year, Sam Bradford completed 72% of his passes and had a 4 to 1 TD to INT ratio and he’s widely regarded as a mediocre quarterback.

  3. Good for Rogers, last I remember football was a team sport.

    Lombardi’s are the only thing that counts…

    How is he doing in the Lombardi category?

  4. As a lifelong Packers fan who remembers only too well how terrible the Packers QB’s were prior to 1992 I treasure every second watching him play.

    I will say that now what I am hoping for is a consistent defense to help him out.

  5. There are so many oddball “records” now it seems like more ‘everyone gets a trophy’.

  6. Brees is such a Stat Padder…..

    if McCarthy doesn’t take Rodgers out during some of theses 42-0 blowouts, he would be smashing records.

    but Brees stays in the game to pad those stats despite a blowout scores and his team already out of playoff contetnion

  7. Counting our chickens before the eggs hatch? Who’s to say he doesn’t throw 28 interceptions before he gets those 3 TD’s?

  8. Statistically he will go down probably as the best qb to ever play the game. His agility, his ability to read coverage, and his arm all make him the prototype that other qb’s want to aspire to be. Plus his turnover to td ratio is better than everyone else’s by far. However, for some reason much like Peyton Manning he doesn’t do as well as he could in the postseason. Granted, last year a bad defense certainly didn’t help him, but he typically struggles in the postseason as well as overcoming big leads. Rodgers can put himself in the top 5 of all time category if he wins another ring soon. I think he can and I don’t get why my fellow Pats fans hate him so much.

  9. It’s a shame Ted Thompson and company continue to waste the talents of one of the greatest players ever. Even a mediocre GM would have made it to 3+ Super Bowls with Rodgers.

  10. As a Viking fan that’s seen him many times live, he is just plain ELITE. The best QB I’ve seen play, and I’ve been to 110 games.

  11. Brady and Rodgers both have around 1.5% interceptions since 2008 (when Rodgers first really started playing). Quite frankly they’re both so good that half (or more) of their interceptions were probably either caused by their reciever or were not much worse than punting on a desperate third and long attempt.
    Peyton Manning only threw 1.5% int in a season once in his career. But then, I think in the first half of his career he may have been the most impressive to watch of the three. Back when recievers couldn’t be pushed out of bounds, Manning was absolutely nasty threading throws to Harrison and Wayne along the sidelines.

  12. Incredibly impressive stat. I don’t care who you are, you have to respect this accomplishment.

  13. Yup, Rodgers has 40 less INTs. And 16 fewer playoff wins and 4 fewer rings than the GOAT.

  14. Another regular season hero like Manning ..we all know who owns the postseason & accompanying hardware.

  15. Hmm, I would have thought that his nemesis Favre had more interceptions than TD.

    It’s a shame that Rodgers doesn’t have a better TEAM (defense) and coaches.

  16. Must win game…..give me Favre over Rodgers. He’s tougher, not afraid to take some chances, and was clutch.

    Rodgers, imo, is too worried about the INT instead of trying to make a play.

  17. No doubt a pretty impressive stat.

    But he is NOT the greatest QB of all time, as a few packer fans claim. (at least not yet). He is not even in the top ten in passing stats. (Yards, touchdowns, completions)

  18. Why is Eli Manning included in this group? 205 interceptions at 300 TDs despite playing in the mid-2000s and 2010s, and way ahead of career-parallel QBs Rivers and Roethlisberger? I mean, he almost matches Tarkenton for INTs at 300 TDs, and Tarkenton played in an era in which the INT% for QBs was almost DOUBLE what it has been during Manning’s career. Seriously, Tony Romo didn’t get to 300, but if you simply extrapolate his career TD/INT ratio to 300 TDs, he would have had 142 INTs, and he was supposed to be a gunslinger! Please don’t insult the excellence of the rest of the company on this list by including Eli Manning in there anymore.

  19. Big PACK guy here! Atta boy ROGERS!! He’s a nice QB but he has a tendency for chokeing in big games. I’m glad he got us a SB but feel like we could have more with better coaching and QB play in the playoffs. just my 17 cents. GO PACK!!

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  20. His most recent best chance for another ring was in that debacle of an NFC Championship in 2015 against the Seahawks. Aaron was fine, but that idiot on Special Teams for the Packers screwed up the onside kick allowing Seattle to recover the ball and ultimately win the game.

    Too bad-it would have been a classic SuperBowl vs the Pats. Something tells me though that Mike McCarthy would have made the same ridiculous call at the end of the game by having Aaron throw the ball at the one yard line. The question is would Malcolm Butler have been able to make the same interception.

  21. Bears fan here. That’s friggin’ incredible. First-ballot HOF, for sure. Having said that, hopefully we can get a pass rush on him this year and get those ints up.

  22. The comparisons to Brady are amusing and expected. They are both amazing QBs. I’m not taking anything away from TB, but the system in place around Brady is head and shoulders above what Rodgers has around him, from drafting to roster-management to play-calling. As Bum Phillips once said, “He could take yours and beat his’n and take his’n and beat yours.” I do hope that we get to see a Patriots vs Packers Super Bowl before TB retires. That one would be epic.

    (And for those who think I’m being disloyal to the Bears by saying any of that, I’m just a realist. The Bears are at least two years away from getting to the playoffs, let alone winning).

  23. And draft day he sat in the green room for what, 24 picks or so? Then sat behind Favre for I think 4 seasons.

    Getting drafted late actually helped as he ended up with a better team. But 4 seasons on the bench will ultimately hurt his career numbers.

  24. The difference between Favre and Rodgers is that when Favre went back to pass something amazing was going to happen. Unfortunately, sometimes it was for the other team.

    When Rodgers goes back to pass, fans don’t fear the int. In fact, we’re shocked when it happens.

  25. I’m a Pats fan and Tom Brady walks on water tbh… but Aaron Rodgers is a stud. Anybody who argues that is just blinded by their ignorance and bias.

  26. And to think the so-called experts in the draft said that Rodgers had a funny throwing motion (he just held the ball high when he dropped back to pass) or he was a Jeff Tedford “system” QB. The “experts” and draft followers completely ignored his college play, even the one game where he tied the NCAA record for consecutive completions in one game against the eventual BCS champions USC.

  27. You idiots criticizing the Packers defense in last year’s NFC championship game have no clue. Try having to cover Julio Jones with Ladarius Gunter because your top three DB’s are injured.

  28. With 297 TD’s against 72 INT’s (an insane 4:1 ratio), he’s actually on pace to eclipse 400 TD’s before he gets to 100 INT’s.

    Rodgers is as cerebral as any QB in history. It’s one thing to put up “video game stats”; what Rodgers has been able to do while mitigating turnovers is otherworldly.

  29. As a Viking’s fan, it is so bittersweet to watch him twice a year. It is such a testament to just how great he is, that he had all of his success with what will ultimately be considered a mediocre at best supporting cast.

  30. Rodgers would have 7-8 Super Bowls if he was an for the patriots
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    No he definitely would not have. Case in point was the NFCC game against the Falcons. GB was down big and Rodgers was benched for some scrub back-up. Fast forward two weeks and the Pats were down 28-3 and Brady pioneers the greatest comeback ever. That is the difference between these two players. Always will be.

  31. Surprised that Marino and Manning had so many. Surprised that Favre and Roethlisberger don’t have more.

  32. Last year Aaron Rodgers took a vacation when training camp started. Forget gelling with teammates because he is a veteran and did not need the work. I heard this year he will skip camp entirely to film more commercials and spend quality time paling around with Joe Jonas in LA.

    “ALL IN!”

  33. hbudgess
    Jul 6, 2017, 11:19 AM EDT
    As a Viking fan that’s seen him many times live, he is just plain ELITE. The best QB I’ve seen play, and I’ve been to 110 games.

    ————GO———PACK———-GO————————————

    As compared to Vikings QB’s all other QB are ELITE.
    Game 1…. “wow, that is the best qb i have ever seen play”
    Game 2…. “wow, that is the best qb i have ever seen play”
    Game 3…. “wow, that is the best qb i have ever seen play”
    Game 4…. “wow, that is the best qb i have ever seen play”
    ………
    Game 110…. “wow, that is the best qb i have ever seen play”

  34. That’s because almost every time he throws an INT, the officials throw a phantom flag to bring it back. They should rename that team to

    ” The Green Bay Black Rhinos” and their slogan should be “Because we are protected”

  35. However, for some reason much like Peyton Manning he doesn’t do as well as he could in the postseason.
    ===

    His post-season passer rating is 99.4, 5th all-time.

    He was the highest rated post-season passer prior to 2015, and is only 5.5 points from reclaiming the top spot (Bart Starr, 104.8)

  36. You idiots criticizing the Packers defense in last year’s NFC championship game have no clue. Try having to cover Julio Jones with Ladarius Gunter because your top three DB’s are injured.
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    You’d have a good point if the Packers defense wasn’t average or worse every year since 2011.

  37. bringbackwayne says:
    Jul 6, 2017 11:30 AM
    Must win game…..give me Favre over Rodgers. He’s tougher, not afraid to take some chances, and was clutch.

    Rodgers, imo, is too worried about the INT instead of trying to make a play.

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    Easy for a Lions fan to run his mouth, huh! Especially when his team has one (1) playoff win in sixty years and Stafford blows every chance they have had for the past 25 years.

    It’s also funny how Stafford isn’t on this list because he throws way too many INTs!

  38. It’s an impressive stat, it begs the question, How did the Vikings leave Rodgers in the Green Room till pick #24 when the Vikings had not one but two first rounders (7th and 18th) that year?

    Is it an indictment on their scouting department, General Manager, team owner or all of the above?

  39. I do hope that we get to see a Patriots vs Packers Super Bowl before TB retires.
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    No thanks.

    I can’t even imagine how badly Belichick would embarrass McCarthy.

  40. This post will likely draw NFL fans from all over. They finally get to see the pettiness and jealousy of Viking trolls firsthand.

  41. not too hard if your line never gets called for holding when it takes you 6-7 sec to find a receiver.

  42. You people with all the stats just don’t get it. It’s about winning FB gms. Brady has that intangible. Rodgers just doesn’t. And the system guys. Brady has taken throwaways and late round draft picks and made them better. He has literally made chicken salad out of you know what his entire career.

  43. Aaron is afraid to take a chance and throw an interception. It might hurt his stats. And his feelings. I keep saying, all we need is Aaron. We don’t need no stinkin’ defense. Or anything else. Like RBs, or coaching, or family, or girlfriends.

  44. burtmustin says:
    Jul 6, 2017 11:22 AM
    Think about it. Alex Smith was selected ahead of him.
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    I wonder why Rodgers fell in draft like that? hmmmmm, what could it have been to cause that fall?

  45. not too hard if your line never gets called for holding when it takes you 6-7 sec to find a receiver.
    ====

    Thats a new development.

    The Packers O-line led the League in sacks twice (2009, 2012) and was #2 in 2015.

  46. Yup, Rodgers has 40 less INTs. And 16 fewer playoff wins and 4 fewer rings than the GOAT.
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    Montana 4
    Rodgers 1

    That’s only a difference of 3…

  47. Rodgers is elite. Better than Brady? Well, I do think Rodgers throws the deeper ball maybe better than anyone ever, but I don’t think you can say he’s better than Brady until both guys’ careers are over. But I will say being the “best” QB isn’t just about throwing the ball and Brady is better than Rodgers in the tactical-game.

    But what ultimately might keep Brady ahead of everyone is that in his late career, unlike Peyton, Brady is still putting up the numbers, an incredible 112.2 rating in 2016. He may even pass Peyton’s yardage if he plays 4 more years! But will Rodgers, who is 6yrs younger than Brady, get to play 6 years beyond when Brady retires and closer emulate Brady’s totals or successes? Seems unlikely, but an elite nonetheless.

  48. Must win game…..give me Favre over Rodgers.
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    If you’re guaranteed to get 1995-1998 3x MVP Favre. Beyond that, there is no contest between the two.

  49. The Vikings probably left Rodgers on the board because DCulpepper threw for almost 5000 yards and made the Pro Bowl the year before. Why would they draft a QB in the 1 1rst rnd?

  50. 5 rings and 25 playoff wins is better than Montana’s 4 rings and 16 playoff wins. All day long.

  51. tedmurph says:
    Jul 6, 2017 1:19 PM
    Brady has taken throwaways and late round draft picks and made them better. He has literally made chicken salad out of you know what his entire career.
    ———————–

    Unless that’s in the Brady cook book that I can’t afford, I think you may not know the meaning of the word “literally”

    Brady has a better team and a better coach. All you idiots that think Super Bowls are all on the QB must not have heard of Dan Marino. He was head and shoulders above the rest of the league but couldn’t get a team around him. Id take Brady over Rodgers, but only because I know the pats and BB are better than the pack and capers.

  52. But what ultimately might keep Brady ahead of everyone is that in his late career, unlike Peyton, Brady is still putting up the numbers, an incredible 112.2 rating in 2016.
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    Weak sauce!

    At ages 37 and 38 Manning posted ratings of 115 and 101, and broke the single season td record and had a 5000 yard passing season.

  53. Another regular season hero like Manning ..we all know who owns the postseason & accompanying hardware.

    —————-

    Funny because Brady & Manning’s postseason stats are pretty much identical. But only one of those guys had Belichek, who is probably the best GM/Coach of all time in a sport where the GM/Coach may have a bigger impact than any of the players.

  54. tedmurph says:
    Jul 6, 2017 1:37 PM

    5 rings and 25 playoff wins is better than Montana’s 4 rings and 16 playoff wins. All day long.
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    I’ve never understood why Montana gets bonus points for losing earlier in the postseason.

  55. At ages 37 and 38 Manning posted ratings of 115 and 101, and broke the single season td record and had a 5000 yard passing season.
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    HGH is a hell of a drug.

  56. redsoxu571 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 11:32 AM
    Why is Eli Manning included in this group?
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    Because he is one of only 10 QB’s in the history of the game to have 300+ TD’s. Which is what the article is about.

  57. In their last nine seasons, Brady’s interceptions and Rodgers (72 to 74) interceptions are only two apart. Most of Brady’s early picks were before the rules emphasis changes brought in by Polian. Rodgers is a great quarterback, but don’t use this statistic to say that he is better than Tom Brady.

  58. Take note of this, all.

    Patriot fans who mercilessly rip haters and trolls are here hating and trolling beacuse evidence is being presented that someone is analytically better than TB12.

  59. Marino had Clayton and Duper. Brady has won with TBrown, DPatten, RCaldwell, Edelman(A late rnd pk as a QB, that nobody wanted to sign when he was a FA), RMoss(who everyone thought was washed up, and did nothing after leaving the Pats), Welker(who the Dolphins threw away and had one good yr after leavimg the Pats), JGaffney, no Gonk last yr and in several playoff runs, BLafell, CHogan. Shall I go on?

  60. Very impressive indeed.

    I do think that since Rodgers didn’t play before his 4th yr, it helps his ratio stats (and hurts his counting stats). If Rodgers started in yr 2, he would most probably have more growing pains.

    If we look at the last 9 (mostly complete seasons – including 2007 for Brady since he missed all 2008) of both Rodgers and Brady, you get a better comparison I think of their talents:

    Pct completion:

    Rodgers 65.2 %
    Brady 64.7 %

    Passing Yrds:

    Rodgers 36,498
    Brady 39,942

    TDs:

    Rodgers 296
    Brady 309

    INTs:

    Rodgers 71
    Brady 74

    TD%:

    Rodgers 6.4%
    Brady 6%

    INT%:

    Rodgers 1.5%
    Brady 1.4%

    Sack%
    (of course Rodgers is awesome runner and wants to extend the play so he’s getting sack a lot more)

    Rodgers 6.7%
    Brady 4.4%

    Both of them are AWESOME!

  61. This dude is the best ever… Give him the Pats top 5 defense every year…

  62. Rodgers Vs Brady argument is overblown

    Rodgers is an amazing talent and a extremely smart guy. There is no debate that both Brady & Rodgers are top notch QB’s, this just happens to be one stat where Rodgers has the edge. Brady has several stats were he edges Rodgers.

  63. No thanks.

    I can’t even imagine how badly Belichick would embarrass McCarthy.

    ——————————

    Nov 30, 2014

    Packers v Patriots.

    26 to 21 – Packers win.

    In fact Rodgers is has a winning or even record against Brady, Manning, Manning, Brees and Rothlisberger.

    All pretty good QB’s and given that we’ve firmly established Aaron’s typically playing with garbage on defense – to have a winning or even record against those guys with 13 superbowl wins combined – He’s pretty danged good.

  64. blessedunliketherest says:
    Jul 6, 2017 12:52 PM

    No he definitely would not have. Case in point was the NFCC game against the Falcons. GB was down big and Rodgers was benched for some scrub back-up. Fast forward two weeks and the Pats were down 28-3 and Brady pioneers the greatest comeback ever. That is the difference between these two players. Always will be.
    —————–

    Funny thing about those two games. The Falcons shut down both offenses quite effectively in the first half. Then, both the Packers and the Patriots started moving the ball in the second half.

    The biggest difference between the two games is that the Packers ended up trading points with the Falcons inthe second half, while the Patriots defense effectively shut the Falcons offense down.

  65. Marino had Clayton and Duper…
    ====

    Clayton and Duper? Not a single All-Pro season between the two.. 7 Pro Bowls.

    Moss, Welker, Gronk – 6 All-Pro seasons as Patriots.. not going to count the Pro Bowls.

  66. I think he very likely could go down as the G.O.A.T. And, I’m a Vikings fan.

  67. Nov 30, 2014

    Packers v Patriots.

    26 to 21 – Packers win.
    ====

    Regular season.

    We all know what would happen if Belichick and McCarthy squared off in February.

    McCarthy had to hold on for dear life against the Steelers. Almost squandered a 21-3 lead.

    Imagine what The Mastermind would do to him.

  68. Well, I guess the only way to settle this is to have Aaron take over when Brady retires and see how he does with Belichick.

  69. Just saying . . .

    Montana (that guy that’s always compared to Brady), didn’t even throw 300 tds!

    Montana only threw 279 tds, but 139 ints.

    Some goat!

    Why is he even in the conversation with Brady????

  70. I’ve never understood why Montana gets bonus points for losing earlier in the postseason.
    ===

    Better competition.

    The Monsters of the Midway.. Parcells Giants won 2 Super Bowls and almost ended Montana’s career.. Gibbs Skins won 3 Titles from ’83-’91.

  71. And no other QB in NFL history has turned defensive penalties into easy and unchallenged TD’s like the Cheeseschmuck has done. This jerk has unfairly profited by using a defensive penalty to get yards and points when he cannot get them any other way; he has gamed the rules and cheated. Defenses should be allowed to tee up and to go after him if an offense makes a pre-snap penalty.

  72. aarons444 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 1:48 PM
    But what ultimately might keep Brady ahead of everyone is that in his late career, unlike Peyton, Brady is still putting up the numbers, an incredible 112.2 rating in 2016.
    ====

    Weak sauce!

    At ages 37 and 38 Manning posted ratings of 115 and 101, and broke the single season td record and had a 5000 yard passing season.

    ————-

    Yeah…..he was loaded up on HGH

  73. Impressive. Excellent QB. Only needs five more Championships to surpass the GOAT. Is capable of improving his play in the playoffs when it counts.

  74. I envision a world where swimming races are all relay races. Michael Phelps still swims like Michael Phelps, but rarely wins because of the other three swimmers on his team. In this world, I also envision Patriots fans saying he’s over-rated because he doesn’t win enough.

  75. Imagine what The Mastermind would do to him.

    ——————-

    Yes -because if anyone is wired to go 1/2 throttle in the regular season it’s Bill B and Tom Brady. I mean, he doesn’t like to win at all unless it’s post season.

    I’m sure he loafed that game completely. The Patriots are the Spurs of the NFL. Content to rest guys and lose games in the regular season and just flip the switch post season…

  76. The king of excuses, misses the point. Gronk didn’t play after early November when the Pats won the SBowl. The best TE and one of the best players in the NFL. Moss made 1 Pro Bowl with the Pats. 1 good yr for Welker after he left. Then the Pats sign Amendola who makes big play after big play. Then stays after they cut his pay 3x. Neither Moss nor Welker did much after leaving the Pats. But, the Pats keep going to SBowls. Wonder why.

  77. patriots123456 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 10:55 AM
    Good for Rogers, last I remember football was a team sport.

    Lombardi’s are the only thing that counts…

    How is he doing in the Lombardi category?

    ===========================

    How can an individual be judged on a team achievement? The team wins Lombardis, not the individual. This article is about TD:INT ratios. You said yourself football is a team sport.

  78. Floydsknobbin, this is about an elite QB. Vince Ferragomo was a terrible QB for the Pack, and Tommy Kramer ate him up! Fran was a dam good QB. Your dillusional.

  79. bringbackwayne says:
    Jul 6, 2017 11:30 AM

    Must win game…..give me Favre over Rodgers. He’s tougher, not afraid to take some chances, and was clutch.

    Rodgers, imo, is too worried about the INT instead of trying to make a play.
    _______

    Any Packer or Viking fan who watched Favre in his last two NFC championship games would tell you that it would have behooved Favre to worry a little bit more about the INT.

  80. The Falcons didn’t shut down the Pats in the 1rst half. The Pats were inside the 35 4x. They turned it over or shot themselves in the foot. That’s why the Pats to a man, say they knew they were in the gm @halftime.

  81. Hmm… a lot of Patriot fans posting a lot about Tom Brady on an article that’s not even about the Patriots or Tom Brady.

    I’m not sure about this whole Brady = GOAT thing. His five rings are really just marginally more impressive than someone like even Ben Roethlisberger’s two rings. He did lead the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history, but other than that, he just happened to be the starting qb when his kicker or his defense won the game. He was just a glorified Trent Dilfer in those games.

  82. My bad. Misread “on ” for “as”!

    Purple People Eater said

    “I think he very likely could go down as the G.O.A.T. And, I’m a Vikings fan.”

  83. There are and have been very many excellent quarterbacks in the NFL. It’s a team sport. One guy cannot represent the success of a team any more than he is responsible for the failures.

    Golf is different, so is tennis, or bowling. One on one. Team sports are measured by the team, not the man.

  84. The king of excuses, misses the point. Gronk didn’t play after early November when the Pats won the SBowl. The best TE and one of the best players in the NFL. Moss made 1 Pro Bowl with the Pats. 1 good yr for Welker after he left. Then the Pats sign Amendola who makes big play after big play. Then stays after they cut his pay 3x. Neither Moss nor Welker did much after leaving the Pats. But, the Pats keep going to SBowls.
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    Why bring Duper and Clayton into it? What’s the point there?

    You just want to blather on about Brady. Go ahead and do so.

  85. Jared Lorenzen has a SuperBowl ring. See what I mean? It’s a team sport.

  86. Is capable of improving his play in the playoffs when it counts.
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    Aaron Rodgers post-season QB rating – 99.4

    Tom Brady post-season QB rating – 89.0

  87. He did lead the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history, but other than that, he just happened to be the starting qb when his kicker or his defense won the game. He was just a glorified Trent Dilfer in those games.
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    Brady absolutely shredded the best secondary of this era in Super Bowl XLIX.

    That was impressive.

  88. What’s the trophy or ring you get for QB rating? I think you only get those when you make the plays with the money on the line. Like Brady does. Down 14 in the 4th against Seattle’s D. Down 28-3 to Atl. Legendary.

    5 rings is only marginally better than 2? Amazing someone would even post that.

  89. I brought up Clayton and Duper because someone mentioned that Marino never had a team around him. They were one of the best WR tandems in the league at the time. Brady has done more with less his entire career, While taking less money than he could.

  90. Yes -because if anyone is wired to go 1/2 throttle in the regular season it’s Bill B and Tom Brady. I mean, he doesn’t like to win at all unless it’s post season.
    ====

    Have you seen McCarthy teams in the post-season?

    The Seattle debacle
    The Giants taking them behind the woodshed
    Colin Kaepernick looking like a HOFr

    McCarthy teams don’t just lose, they lose HUGE.

    McCarthy couldn’t manage to outcoach Tom Coughlin or Jim Harbaugh. What makes you think he’d have a fighting chance against Bill Belichick?!

  91. Shows how amazing Rodgers truly is, but it also shows that he didn’t need much OJT by the time he finally got in the lineup in what year 4, year 5?

  92. I brought up Clayton and Duper because someone mentioned that Marino never had a team around him. They were one of the best WR tandems in the league at the time. Brady has done more with less his entire career, While taking less money than he could.
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    Marino only made the Playoffs 5 of 10 seasons he was paired with Clayton and Duper.

    The Dolphins only won 3 Playoff games in 8 years after going to the Super Bowl in 1984.

    Aside from a record breaking 1984 and the upset of the 1985 Bears, those Dolphin teams are hardly worthy of conversation.

    To mention that team with the Patriots dynasty? Obnoxious.

  93. nbptma1 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 2:33 PM
    Just saying . . .

    Montana (that guy that’s always compared to Brady), didn’t even throw 300 tds!

    Montana only threw 279 tds, but 139 ints.

    Some goat!

    Why is he even in the conversation with Brady????
    _____________________________________

    Did you just start watching football??? SMH

    Montana was something special to behold (and I say that as a longtime Cowboy fan).

    Please remind me again how many INT’s Montana threw in Superbowls and how many SB losses he has (hint: they are both the same number… (if you consider 0 to be a number)).

  94. In playoff losses, Tom Brady has led the Patriots to 20+ points only twice. Aaron Rodgers led the Packers offense to 20+ points in every loss. The Packers defense, on the other hand, has allowed ten more points per game in losses than the Patriots defense. Yet it’s Rodgers that has to “do more” to win playoff games. Funny.

  95. How can an individual be judged on a team achievement? Simple. It’s a QBs league. Time and time again, Brady has brought them down the field in SBowls to win the game. Rams, Carolina, Seattle, Atlanta. Even in the 2 SBowl losses to the Giants, Brady brought them down the field for the winning score and the D couldn’t hold. You people just don’t get it. They only games Rodgers has ever pulled out is when he threw the ball straight up in the air and prayed.

  96. tedmurph says:
    Jul 6, 2017 4:15 PM
    I brought up Clayton and Duper because someone mentioned that Marino never had a team around him. They were one of the best WR tandems in the league at the time. Brady has done more with less his entire career, While taking less money than he could.
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    LMAO – “Brady does more with less”. Dude you are effing crazy. Brady has had the best TEAM in the league around him his entire career. He has had the best coach and GM his entire career. He has played in the same system so long he could probably recite the entire playbook by memory front and back. He has had CONSISTENCY and TALENT on both sides of the ball topped off with SUPERIOR coaching. Literally the “perfect storm” of football events his ENTIRE career, and he even got the Tuck Rule to pick him up when he stumbled. Dude has had the best of everything football and to add, EVERY horseshoe imaginable for 16 years ( I mean who the eff throws a slant on the 1 yard line when you have 2 downs and a TD to score?? Who passes 3 times in a row from FG range when a FG wins the SB???) EVERY HORSESHOE!!

    Ok, enough with all caps…. Seriously, though –

    Brady’s back-ups are a combined 14-6. Are those guys GOATS as well??? They won a game last year against a playoff team with a 3rd string QB.

    Here’s the litmus test – take Brady and put him on the Packers. Pack misses the playoffs every year.
    Put A-A-Ron on the Pats and they instantly become better.

  97. He did lead the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history, but other than that, he just happened to be the starting qb when his kicker or his defense won the game. He was just a glorified Trent Dilfer in those games.
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    Brady absolutely shredded the best secondary of this era in Super Bowl XLIX.

    That was impressive.
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    Except the best secondary of the era wasn’t playing when he shredded them . They were injured and playing with back-ups. Did you even watch the game?

  98. It’s more complicated than raw stats on offense or defense. After it was 28-3 in the 3rd QTR, Atlanta ran 16 offensive plays for the rest of the gm. Brady wouldn’t give them the ball back. And when they did get it, the D did the job.

  99. Except the best secondary of the era wasn’t playing when he shredded them . They were injured and playing with back-ups. Did you even watch the game?
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    Sherm and Kam were playing hurt, yes. Guess they should have sat with immortality on the line?

    The biggest blow to Seattle wasn’t the injuries to the secondary. It was Cliff Avril. New England COULD NOT block Michael Bennett. Had Avril not gone down, I think Seattle manages to hold on to their lead.

  100. Brady has had the best team in the league his entire career? The 2001 team that beat the mighty. Rams was a waiver wire team. Brown, Patten, Wiggins and Antowain Smith. Please. 2003/4 were great teams. One of the SBows against the Giants, they had the 31rst ranked D(they lost, but still got there). Cassell took an 18-1 team, and went 11-5.. Big deal Brady has played for at least 3 GMs. Brady could take the Browns to the playoffs. Otherwise, right on the money.

  101. tedmurph says:
    Jul 6, 2017 1:37 PM

    5 rings and 25 playoff wins is better than Montana’s 4 rings and 16 playoff wins. All day long.

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    Different era. I’ve never seen Brady blow anybody out in the Super Bowl.

    Montana made it look easy in destroying Denver 55-10 in his last Super Bowl against Elway.

    And Denver had the league’s top defense that year.

  102. Then, both the Packers and the Patriots started moving the ball in the second half.

    The biggest difference between the two games is that the Packers ended up trading points with the Falcons inthe second half, while the Patriots defense effectively shut the Falcons offense down.
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    Let’s settle down with the trading points take. In the 4th quarter there were only 13 total points scored. Rodgers was on the bench for some of those. Its not like they were out there slinging. In the 4th quarter of the SB, Brady scored 22 points and added 6 more in OT.

  103. The Phantom Stranger says:
    Jul 6, 2017 10:50 AM

    Last year, Sam Bradford completed 72% of his passes and had a 4 to 1 TD to INT ratio and he’s widely regarded as a mediocre quarterback.

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    the league and most non homer fans would have a different opinion of Bradford if HE DID THIS THROUGH OUT HIS CAREER!!!!!!!! 2016 was his best and ONLY good season (Statistically).

    98 TDs to 47 INTs, for his career is beyond mediocre

  104. Michael Bennett was the best D player on the field for Seattle in the SBowl against NEngland. Couldn’t block him. But, even before Avril went out in the 3rd, the only time I heard his name was for an offsides penalty. Non factor. Losing that slot CB to a broken leg, and the fact the Seahawks LBs couldn’t cover Gronk or Vereen really hurt them.

  105. It’s hard to consider these QBs head to head with this odd stat because it’s so dependent on the team. A run-first team could win with a QB who’s not that good. Dan Marino has more TDs and INTs than if he’d had a running game (seriously, EVER, had a decent running game) or wasn’t saddled in most years with a defense that didn’t bother to show up, forcing him to throw in chancy situations. (Dan could throw for 5 TDs and say, “Ha, top THAT,” and the other team would…. ) It’s a meaningful stat but not a definitive one.

  106. If Rodgers career ended today, does he belong in the HOF?

    He’s not in the top 10 in ANY QB category. (except this stat in the article). He doesn’t have enough to get him there, yet.

    Of course the only category that matters to packer fans is that he is a packer.

  107. packers291 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 2:56 PM

    How can an individual be judged on a team achievement? The team wins Lombardis, not the individual. This article is about TD:INT ratios. You said yourself football is a team sport.
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    Because it is rare to have a winning team without a good quarterback. The quarterback gets most of the glory and all of the blame. That’s just how it is.

  108. “In playoff losses, Tom Brady has led the Patriots to 20+ points only twice. Aaron Rodgers led the Packers offense to 20+ points in every loss. The Packers defense, on the other hand, has allowed ten more points per game in losses than the Patriots defense. Yet it’s Rodgers that has to “do more” to win playoff games. Funny.”

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    Let’s dig deeper into those playoff stats now. Rodgers threw 1 TD-2 INTs, passed for 178 yards, and had a passer-rating of 55.8 against the Seahawks in the 2014 NFC championship game. Brady threw 4 TDs-2 INTs, passed for 328 yards, and had a passer-rating of 101.1 against the same defense in Super Bowl XLIX that Rodgers choked against.

    Against the Cardinals, Rodgers threw 2 TDs-1 INT, passed for 261 yards, and failed to complete even 55% of his passes in the 2015 NFC divisional round game. Against the Falcons, he threw 3 TDs-1 INT, passed for 287 yards, and had a passer-rating of 91.6. One of his TDs were in garbage time as well.

    Against the Broncos in that one 2015 regular season game, Rodgers threw 0 TDs-0 INTs and passed for a whopping 77 passing yards. Against the same defense in the 2015 AFC championship game, Brady threw 1 TDs-2 INTs, passed for 310 yards, and lost the game by two points. Rodgers couldn’t even pass for 100 yards on the same defense…

    In Super Bowl LI against the same defense, Brady threw 2 TDs-1 INT, passed for 466 yards, and had a passer-rating of 95.2. in the greatest comeback in super bowl history. Rodgers is 0-35 when trailing by more than a single point in the 4th quarter against teams with a winning record. He has had one playoff game-winning drive dating back to 2005.

    This is the complete difference between Rodgers and Brady all the way and every logical football fan knows it for sure by now.

  109. tedmurph says:

    Jul 6, 2017 11:27 AM

    Yup, Rodgers has 40 less INTs. And 16 fewer playoff wins and 4 fewer rings than the GOAT.
    – – – – – – – – –
    You have to give credit where credit is due – Brady has as many playoffs wins (25) as Rodgers (9) and Joe Montana (16) …. COMBINED !

  110. Great individual stats, A-Rod!
    And you have as many Super Bowl titles as:

    Earl Morrall
    Jeff Hostetler
    Trent Dilfer
    Joe Flacco
    Jim McMahon
    And so on…..

    Take away his 4-0 Super Bowl run and Rodgers has a LOSING RECORD in the playoffs!!!!
    Hmmmmmmmmm

    Bet Packers fans either didn’t know that or won’t admit it!

  111. Michael Bennett was the best D player on the field for Seattle in the SBowl against NEngland. Couldn’t block him. But, even before Avril went out in the 3rd, the only time I heard his name was for an offsides penalty. Non factor.
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    Avrils pressure was key on Bradys first INT, in the redzone no less, and he sent Brady to the mat at least once that I recall.

    Avril rushes off Bennetts side most of the time. They couldn’t block Bennett, they definitely weren’t blocking both of those guys for 4 quarters.

  112. According to Rodgers’ fans, quarterbacks pass the ball to themselves, block for themselves, and rush for over eighty yards each game. Apparently, quarterback stats and MVPs won aren’t team accomplishments as well. It’s only for super bowl rings; how convenient. That is just stupidity at its finest. Stats are also team accomplishments and at the end of the day, Tom Brady and Joe Montana still dominate all in the super bowl era for quarterbacks.

  113. Brady, Montana and Rogers can all make a case for being, or going to be, the GOAT. The fact is that touchdown passes is not a top indicator of a great QB. Montana proves that fact. As Belichick says, stats are for losers.

  114. Tom Brady has the luxury of playing for the greatest coach of all time, a coach who makes decent QBs like Cassel look good. Rodgers is saddled with McCarthy, a decent coach at best. If one had been traded for the other back in 2008, is there any doubt that Rodgers would have multiple SBs and Brady maybe 1?

  115. Football is a team game, more than any other team sport around the world. All 46 players on a game-day roster generally have some impact on the outcome of the game. Of those 46, the starting QB is by far the most important. Given offense is roughly 40-45% of the game, as is defense, with special teams maybe 15%, lets say the starting QB impacts the game 20-25%. To assign all 25 NE playoff wins to Brady is simplistic, as is to assign all 7 or GB’s playoff losses to Rodgers.

    Lets look at the numbers.

    Brady has started 34 games, 20 home, 7 neutral, 7 road, 25-9 record, 89.0 QB rating 63 TD’s (1.8 per game), 31 int’s (.9 per game), NE has scored 26.5 ppg, 20.2 ppg allowed by NE

    Rodgers has started 16 games, 5 home, 1 neutral, 10 road, 9-7 record, 99.4 QB rating, 36 TD’s (2.25 per game), 10 int’s (.6 per game), GB has scored 27.9 ppg, 26.5 ppg allowed by GB

    Specific to postseason play, Rodgers has performed much better overall (over 10 QB ratings points) in much tougher conditions in terms of home/road split on a team with a worse running game and defense in terms of points created by the running game and allowed by the defense. Rodgers has thrown more TD’s per game and less int’s per game, but has been held back by a inferior running game and defense, and coaching that has gotten conservative at the wrong times.

    Rodgers certainly could have played better in the clutch in the 2014 NFC championship game, but was playing injured on the road against a historically great defense. He did not play well in the 2011 playoff game against the Giants, but neither did Brady against the same team in the Super Bowl. The 5 other losses were all really based on poor defensive performances. The games against Atlanta last year were eerily similar, with ATL jumping out to big leads. The difference was the NE D started to get stops when Brady got hot, while the GB D did not. Brady (and the NE team) deserve credit for an all time great comeback, albeit with an assist to an ATL team with a coaching staff that had no understanding of game theory.

    Brady has certainly been better in clutch situations for the most part, but has had the advantage in playing 80% of his games at home/neutral with a better running game and defense.

    I think Rodgers has been better in the 20/25% of the game he controls than Brady in the playoffs, but NE’s better overall coaching/running game/defense more than overcomes the difference in QB play.

    Brady deserves to be called the best ever based on results, but IMO if Rodgers were in the same situation over time, he would have won more. Can you imagine the game plans Belichick would come up with using Rodgers stronger arm and better mobility? Scary thought.

    Can a NE fan come up with an informed response?

  116. screamingyellowzonkers says:
    Jul 6, 2017 5:28 PM
    If Rodgers career ended today, does he belong in the HOF?

    He’s not in the top 10 in ANY QB category. (except this stat in the article). He doesn’t have enough to get him there, yet.

    Of course the only category that matters to packer fans is that he is a packer.

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    except for:

    Career
    Highest career passer rating in regular season with a minimum of 1,500 passing attempts (104.1)[6]
    Most consecutive seasons with a passer rating of over 100.0, with 6 (2009–2014)[140]
    5th highest postseason passer rating (99.4)[141]
    Lowest career pass interception % (1.5%)[9]
    Best touchdown to interception ratio in NFL history (4.13)[8]
    Best passing yards to interception ratio (511.49:1) (36,827:72)
    First player in NFL history to pass for over 4,000 yards in each of the first two seasons as a starting QB [140]
    Most consecutive touchdown passes at home without an interception, (including playoffs) (49)[142]
    Most consecutive pass attempts without a pick six (3,807) Nov. 8, 2009-present [143]
    Fewest pick sixes per attempts (1 pick six: 4,458 ATT) [143]
    Most consecutive passes without an interception at home, (including playoffs) (587)[142]
    One of only six quarterbacks (Kurt Warner, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Joe Flacco and Dan Marino) to pass for over 1,000 yards in a single postseason [144]
    Most consecutive games without throwing multiple interceptions (41).
    Threw the fewest interceptions (42) before throwing 150th career touchdown (Dan Marino threw 69 interceptions)[145]
    Threw the fewest interceptions (53) before throwing 200th career touchdown (Tom Brady threw 88 interceptions)[146]
    21,332 passing yards from 2008 to 2012, the most by a QB in his first five seasons as a starter.[144]
    Fewest attempts to get to 30,000 passing yards, with 3,652[147]
    Most touchdown passes of 70+ yards (16).
    Most seasons with a passer rating over 100.0 (7).
    Most seasons with an interception percentage below 1.5% (6).
    One of only three quarterbacks to have a passer rating of at least 110 in multiple seasons.
    One of four quarterbacks to pass for 40 touchdowns in multiple seasons.
    One of four quarterbacks to pass for at least 35 touchdowns in four seasons.[133]
    Highest touchdown passing percentage (6.4%) in the Super Bowl Era.
    Only QB with a touchdown passing percentage above 6.0% in the Super Bowl Era.

    But yeah, not in the top 10 for anything…..sucks to be a Vikings fan, doesn’t it?

  117. Arod will need to win 2 more Super Bowls to be considered the Greatest Ever.
    Brady has the 5 rings and that alone will make it damn near impossible for anyone other then Rodgers to be considered, by the time Rodgers is done his numbers will be mind boggling, he will need those other at least 3 rings + his stats to bring to the table.

  118. It’s impossible to compare QBs from different era’s, but Rodgers is definitely the best QB of this era. He plays in one of the worst coached offenses in the NFL. Rodgers makes so many great plays that are outside of the system, and 100% a result of his natural born ability. That’s how Montana was. These guys made so many great plays after the designed play broke down, and they improvised. Rodgers is the 2nd best all time to Montana. Manning and Unitas are at 3-4, and Elway, Namath, Brady, and Aikman are next. Bradshaw and Kurt Warner are close behind those. I’m not old enough to comment on Otto Graham.

  119. Rings are not the ONLY way to measure a QBs greatness, fellas. The fact that Brady has 5 rings does not make it a “no contest” for being the GOAT. Brady has the best coach/GM the game has ever seen, IMO. BB was not afraid to pull the trigger on Moss, like TT was. They take chances on guys. They bring in elite players to help out Brady. Seriously guys, does TT still have a job if he hadn’t drafted Rodgers?

    Put Rodgers on those teams with BB and his staff and he has 5 rings as well, on player can only do so much…..

  120. That’s crazy good. He’s crazy good. All the guys on the list are crazy good. Calm down.

  121. aarons444 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 3:48 PM
    Is capable of improving his play in the playoffs when it counts.
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    Aaron Rodgers post-season QB rating – 99.4

    Tom Brady post-season QB rating – 89.0

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    Drew Brees post-season QB rating – 100.7

  122. All that talent wasted in Green Bay. He should have multiple championships by now.

    Unfortunately multiple rings(3+), IMO, are a requirement for Greatest of all time. I realize one person can only do so much…. but the perception is that the “GOAT” should be able to will the team to multiple championships.

  123. “aarons444 says:
    jul 6, 2017 3:48 PM
    Is capable of improving his play in the playoffs when it counts.
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    Aaron Rodgers post-season QB rating – 99.4
    Tom Brady post-season QB rating – 89.0”

    Impressive, but those stats are padded by the fact that the Aaron Rodgers lead Packers play in more wild card games, and less NFC/AFC Championship games.

  124. jag1959 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 1:55 PM
    redsoxu571 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 11:32 AM
    Why is Eli Manning included in this group?
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    Because he is one of only 10 QB’s in the history of the game to have 300+ TD’s. Which is what the article is about.

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    I’ll also add that Eli Manning’s numbers are better than John Elways.

    So if Manning doesn’t belong on the list and his presence insults our collective intelligence, what does that say about Elway?

  125. Brady says Rodgers is better. Rodgers says Brady is the greatest. I’m no one to argue with either one of them.

    When it comes to the TD/Int ratio it’s important to keep in mind the ’06 rules changes made it a lot harder for DB’s to come by ints. The people disparaging Elway, Marino and Tarkenton’s ratios should keep in mind that Brady threw 78 int’s against 147 td’s in first 6 seasons when DB’s could still mug receivers and 74 against 309 td’s in the ten years since.

  126. Brady is the GOAT. Even Rodgers himself said so. But Rodgers is pretty dawg gone good. We have to give him that.

  127. if I had little erins ref protection, I could throw for 6000 yards by week 8, trust me , an NFL QB has it made, this isn’t HARD! CLIFF CLAVEN could do it!

  128. Congrats Rodgers. My only issue with Brady and Manning is their ridiculous short passing game the back half of their careers. It is boring to watch. Hell Manning should have been called Sheriff Dink and Dunk. Brady has had some good years (Moss). These days however it is always 5-10 yards.

  129. sfsaintsfan says:
    Jul 6, 2017 9:26 PM
    aarons444 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 3:48 PM
    Is capable of improving his play in the playoffs when it counts.
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    Aaron Rodgers post-season QB rating – 99.4
    Tom Brady post-season QB rating – 89.0
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    Drew Brees post-season QB rating – 100.7
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    Packers post-season record with Rodgers as starter:

    9-7 with 1 Super Bowl win.

    Saints post-season record with Brees as starter:

    6-5 with 1 Super Bowl win.

    Patriots post-season record with Brady as starter:

    25-9 with 5 Super Bowl wins.

    Some QBs can post good stats consistently, and help their team win a better than average amount of games.

    Only one QB is the Greatest NFL Leader of All-Time, and the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time. That QB is Tom Brady.

  130. Brady is so driven to win he is almost EVIL. Larry Bird and Bobby Orr had that same thing.
    I’m sure others have it to a certain degree, but not to this level.
    I was lucky enough to see all 3 of these guys do there thing nite after nite and all I can say is thank you.

  131. As a Packers fan I will agree that Brady to me is probably the greatest of all time just ahead of Montana. You cannot argue with what he does all the time.

    As for Rodgers and the comments about him only having one Super Bowl, that discussion begins and ends with the defense.

  132. patsfan1820 says:
    Jul 6, 2017 11:16 AM
    However, for some reason much like Peyton Manning he doesn’t do as well as he could in the postseason. Granted, last year a bad defense certainly didn’t help him, but he typically struggles in the postseason as well as overcoming big leads. Rodgers can put himself in the top 5 of all time category if he wins another ring soon. I think he can and I don’t get why my fellow Pats fans hate him so much.
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    Rodgers has played 17 post season games. Completed 63.5% of his passes for 4458yds, 36TDs and 10 ints. Playoff QB Rating of 99.4, 5th best all time. (Brady is 13th, and the GOAT is number 1 at 104.8)

  133. bordner says:
    Jul 6, 2017 3:15 PM
    Hmm… a lot of Patriot fans posting a lot about Tom Brady on an article that’s not even about the Patriots or Tom Brady.

    I’m not sure about this whole Brady = GOAT thing. His five rings are really just marginally more impressive than someone like even Ben Roethlisberger’s two rings. He did lead the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history, but other than that, he just happened to be the starting qb when his kicker or his defense won the game. He was just a glorified Trent Dilfer in those games.

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    I guess you missed the game against the Seahawks where Brady torched the Legion of Boom for over 350 yards including 2 4th quarter TDs. And Brady gave the Patriots the lead late in the game in both losses against the Giants…..so if anything, the defense lost those games

  134. Rodgers has done his part for the team, now it’s up to the rest of the players and coachs to do their part. Football is a team sport, and if Rodgers had a more complete team around him in the past, he’d have more rings to go with Brady, Montana. The critics and fans use the ring things as a crutch and throw a blind eye to Rodgers ability in and outside the pocket, not to mention pin point accuracy.
    I ignore those critics and fans that always want to put the Mannings and Favres in different categories, because they only won 1 SB.
    You have to look at the whole picture and what that QB has around him as a team. Brady and Montana has/had a great coach, and top notch players around them. You put Brady or Montana on a 1984 Miami Dolphin team, I don’t think they’d win a SB either.
    So stop with the Rodgers has only 1 SB, so I don’t think he’s the GOAT.
    Dilfer won a SB, does that mean he’s better than Marino and Kelly?
    When Rodgers wins another SB, you’ll all shut up. Or you’ll start a new argument. “Brady has more SB” argument will begin. It will never end with fans and critics in the media.
    Ignore it people and just enjoy probably the two GROAT QB’s.

  135. Packers post-season record with Rodgers as starter:

    9-7 with 1 Super Bowl win.

    Saints post-season record with Brees as starter:

    6-5 with 1 Super Bowl win.

    Patriots post-season record with Brady as starter:

    25-9 with 5 Super Bowl wins.
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    Brady has a defense that is usually top 10, top 5 when he won his first 3 Rings… AND Belichick.

    Rodgers and Brees don’t have those advantages. Their defenses are a DISadvantage most years.

  136. bordner says:
    Jul 6, 2017 3:15 PM
    Hmm… a lot of Patriot fans posting a lot about Tom Brady on an article that’s not even about the Patriots or Tom Brady.

    Did you even read the article? Pretty sure in include Brady in the comparisons.

    Here’s how I see it

    Brady $100
    Rodgers $99
    Manning (ret) $98
    Montana (ret) $97

    Mix & match these any way you want, that’s the difference between any of these guys.

    aarons444- aren’t there enough trolls in the world?

  137. aarons444 says:
    Jul 7, 2017 10:56 AM
    Packers post-season record with Rodgers as starter:

    9-7 with 1 Super Bowl win.

    Saints post-season record with Brees as starter:

    6-5 with 1 Super Bowl win.

    Patriots post-season record with Brady as starter:

    25-9 with 5 Super Bowl wins.
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    Brady has a defense that is usually top 10, top 5 when he won his first 3 Rings… AND Belichick.

    Rodgers and Brees don’t have those advantages. Their defenses are a DISadvantage most years.

    And Montana had, and Manning had, and Starr had, and Marino had….enough excuses.

    Brees beat Manning in a SB by 31-17. Seems like NO’s D was just fine that day. You play the cards you’re dealt. Excuses are for losers. We could look at every QB that ever played then handicap them based on their D, O-line, coach etc etc. End of the day, did you did or did you didn’t win?

  138. One more stat that might explain Aaron Rodgers very low INT to TD ratio. (He is a very cautious QB overall, which is great if you want to not throw INT’s) He never takes chances to try and lead a 4th quarter comeback. Players who take chances in the 4th quarter to win, to try and WIN games, probably have more INT’s overall because of that.

    Fourth Quarter Comebacks by active QB’s:

    Tom Brady 39
    Eli Manning 30
    Ben Roethlisberger 29
    Drew Brees 28
    Matt Ryan 25
    Matthew Stafford 25
    Philip Rivers 22
    Carson Palmer 21
    Joe Flacco 19
    Alex Smith 18
    Russel Wilson 17
    Andy Dalton 14
    Andrew Luck 14
    Michael Vick 14
    Derek Carr 12
    Cam Newton 12
    Ryan Tannehill 12
    Matt Schaub 11
    Aaron Rodgers 10…tied with Mark Sanchez.

  139. End of the day, did you did or did you didn’t win?
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    Wins are a TEAM statistic.

    Congrats to Brady on playing for the best team this side of Montana’s 49ers.

  140. Erin is a very good QB no doubt about it and the ONLY player that pathetic team of winers has.

  141. aarons444 says:
    Jul 7, 2017 1:13 PM
    End of the day, did you did or did you didn’t win?
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    Wins are a TEAM statistic.

    Congrats to Brady on playing for the best team this side of Montana’s 49ers.

    Interceptions- often happen as a result of poor blocking, bad route or tipped balls. Team stat in many cases.

    Completions- same deal

    Touchdowns, again, team stat. At the end of the day there aren’t any true individual stats. Punt & kick returners need blockers, FG kickers need blockers and a holder, punters need a good long snapper.

    You seem to want to marginalize Brady for playing with a team. Marino, Montana etc didn’t throw and catch. I’m not sure why you’re compelled to denigrate someone who is clearly by record the best of his time. It’s a fun beer discussion on who is better but at the end of the day you go by the records or you make excuses.

  142. Here’s a stat that can be considered,

    Name all the QB’s that have a SB win in their first year as a starter and one 15 years later.

    Now let’s toss in 3 more in between.

    Brady may have played with one team and one coach but every other component he had to work with was different from 2001 -today. I know everyone thinks that BB is magical, yet he couldn’t win beyond the 1st round with Kosar so, yeah, it’s not just BB. If we link QBs to coaches in that manner then Marino isn’t Marino w/o Shula, same for Montana/Walsh, Bradshaw/Knoll, etc.

    I was a Montana is #1 guy, right up until SB49. That was the day Brady passed him IMHO>

  143. You seem to want to marginalize Brady for playing with a team. Marino, Montana etc didn’t throw and catch. I’m not sure why you’re compelled to denigrate someone who is clearly by record the best of his time
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    Its your opinion that Brady is the best of his time. You are clearly basing that on Rings, which I don’t believe is objective in a conversation about greatness of individual players.

  144. sfsaintsfan,

    Regarding the comebacks, 5 times he’s led tying or winning drives in the 4th Q –

    2016 V Dallas – Rodgers led 2 FG drives in the final 4 minutes to win
    2015 @ Arizona – 41-yard TD to tie game.. D lost 3 plays later
    2014 @ Seattle – FG to tie game at 22.. lost in OT
    2013 V San Fran – FG to tie.. 49er FG as time expired
    2009 @ Arizona – Down 31-10, 35 2nd half points, lost on a strip sack

    Rodgers has lost a staggering 4 Playoff games on the final play of the game. 3 times the outcome was out of his control.

    How can you say he isn’t clutch?

  145. Wake me when Rodgers has been to 7 Super Bowls and won 5 of them. No one but Brady has 5 SB wins as a QB. Stats are for also rans. A nice consolation prize. In the NFL SB wins create legends. Period, end of story. At this pace Rodgers is heading down the road of underachieving stat warrior.

  146. Name all the QB’s that have a SB win in their first year as a starter and one 15 years later.
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    Tom Brady 2001 –

    Regular season
    1 300-yard passing game
    3 games 3 or more td passes
    2843 passing yards (21st)
    86.5 passer rating (6th)
    22nd ranked passing offense

    Playoffs
    77.3 rating
    190.7 yards/game
    1 td pass
    20 points per game

    Yawn.. Brady really won that one for them, didn’t he??!!

  147. Name all the QBs that have played for one of the best coaches and franchises in history for 15 years…

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    Lemmy Aksyadis says:
    Jul 7, 2017 2:50 PM

    Name all the QB’s that have a SB win in their first year as a starter and one 15 years later.

  148. Gotta admire aarons. He’s been losing badly for 2 days, but still keeps coming back for more.

  149. Have you heard the expression “The ultimate team sport”? Do you know which sport that applies to?

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    tedmurph says:
    You people with all the stats just don’t get it. It’s about winning FB games

  150. That’s a myth perpetuated by Patriot fans. Montana didn’t lose more than Brady (early or late). Due to the era he played in, he just didn’t play as many seasons. And the early losses he did have were often against Belichick.

    tedmurph says:
    Jul 6, 2017 1:37 PM

    5 rings and 25 playoff wins is better than Montana’s 4 rings and 16 playoff wins. All day long.
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    I’ve never understood why Montana gets bonus points for losing earlier in the postseason.

  151. orrnumberfour says:
    Jul 7, 2017 12:00 PM
    Brady performs best IN THE PLAYOFFS.

    That pretty much tells the story. “You play to win the game.”

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    Check the QB Ratings in the playoffs. Where does Brady rank?

  152. aarons444 says:
    Jul 7, 2017 6:05 PM
    las0023 says:
    Jul 7, 2017 5:06 PM
    That’s a myth perpetuated by Patriot fans. Montana didn’t lose more than Brady (early or late). Due to the era he played in, he just didn’t play as many seasons.
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    Its not a myth
    Their alternate reality is based soley on such ‘facts’
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    It is not a myth. Montana did lose earlier in the playoffs more often and had a lower playoff win % (.696) than Brady (.735). There is nothing alternate about Montana’s 4 one and dones in 11 playoff trips and versus Brady’s 2 in 14. The Montana guys love to point out he is 4-0 in the SB vs Brady’s 5-2 yet conveniently ignore the rest of their playoff records. Few things are more indicative of living in an alternate reality than that type of cherry picking.

  153. McCarthy couldn’t manage to outcoach Tom Coughlin or Jim Harbaugh. What makes you think he’d have a fighting chance against Bill Belichick?!

    Remind me again of what Belichick’s postseason record vs Coughlin is again?

  154. las0023 says:
    Jul 7, 2017 9:01 PM
    Montana and Brady both lost 7 times before the Super Bowl.
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    Not sure what that is supposed to be about. Brady lost 3 games before winning his first Super Bowl, Montana lost 9. Not that it is relevant to the discussion in any way, just thought if numbers are going to be posted they should at least be accurate.

  155. It was a response to those who claimed Montana lost early in the playoffs more often than Brady.

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    commentawaitingdeletion says:
    Jul 8, 2017 10:24 AM
    las0023 says:
    Jul 7, 2017 9:01 PM
    Montana and Brady both lost 7 times before the Super Bowl.
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    Not sure what that is supposed to be about. Brady lost 3 games before winning his first Super Bowl, Montana lost 9. Not that it is relevant to the discussion in any way, just thought if numbers are going to be posted they should at least be accurate.

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  156. “This is the first data based statement that puts Rogers above Brady.”
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    The first you’ve seen maybe. Rodgers has the highest QB rating of all time. The highest TD % of all time. The lowest INT % of all time.

    Rodgers outperforms Brady in most every QB stat imaginable…not only in the regular season, but the playoffs as well.

  157. That should read “The highest TD:INT ratio of all time”.

    Rodgers’ TD % is 5th in NFL history. Brady’s is not even in the top 20.

  158. aarons444 says:
    Jul 7, 2017 3:25 PM
    You seem to want to marginalize Brady for playing with a team. Marino, Montana etc didn’t throw and catch. I’m not sure why you’re compelled to denigrate someone who is clearly by record the best of his time
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    Its your opinion that Brady is the best of his time. You are clearly basing that on Rings, which I don’t believe is objective in a conversation about greatness of individual players.

    So for the last 10 years everyone is ranking Montana above Brady because of his rings and now that Brady has more we want to change the criteria? How about Brady beats Montana in nearly every regular season stat.?

  159. revelation123 says:
    Jul 9, 2017 3:40 PM
    “This is the first data based statement that puts Rogers above Brady.”
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    The first you’ve seen maybe. Rodgers has the highest QB rating of all time. The highest TD % of all time. The lowest INT % of all time.

    Rodgers outperforms Brady in most every QB stat imaginable…not only in the regular season, but the playoffs as well.

    Maybe if Rodgers or his coaches played a more Brady like game he’d have more rings. But if stats are your goal then yes, Rodgers wins.

  160. Lemmy Aksyadis says:
    Jul 9, 2017 5:19 PM

    Maybe if Rodgers or his coaches played a more Brady like game he’d have more rings. But if stats are your goal then yes, Rodgers wins.
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    I, for one, am glad Rodgers doesn’t play like Brady in the playoffs. Their stats are actually pretty identical in wins, but in playoff losses, Rodgers averages just over two TDs per game, while Brady only averages a bit over one TD per game.

    Rodgers’ TD ratio in losses in 2:1, while Bradys’ is exactly 1:1. Rodgers ahas led his team to 20+ points in every playoff loss, while Brady has only led the Patriots to 20+ points in two playoff losses.

    The defense is the biggest difference. The Packers defense gives up about 36 points per game in losses, while the Patriots defense only gives up about 26 points per game in losses.

  161. beerbratscheese says:
    Jul 9, 2017 9:27 PM
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    I, for one, am glad Rodgers doesn’t play like Brady in the playoffs..
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    Yeah, right, that makes sense, because what could possibly be worse than having Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Leader of All-Time, and the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, leading your team to 11 Championship games, 7 Super Bowl Games, and 5 Super Bowl wins (and still counting)?

    What is much more important is having a higher QBR than Tom Brady, the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time, in far fewer big games, because you are just not quite good enough to consistently lead your team to big games. Isn’t that right people?

  162. taintedsaints2009 says:
    Jul 10, 2017 1:36 AM
    beerbratscheese

    The packers never run the ball. The patriots do run the ball and they run it often. That’s why the touchdown stats are skewed in Rodgers favor.
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    The Packers, as a team, score an average of 25.6 PPG in playoff losses. The Patriots score an average of 17.8 PPG in playoff losses, and, as stated, only scored over 20 points twice in their nine losses.

  163. Fourth Quarter Comebacks by active QB’s:

    Tom Brady 39
    Eli Manning 30

    Aaron Rodgers 10…tied with Mark Sanchez.

    I know it is difficult for some to grasp, but when you are ‘behind’ is the only time you have to ‘come back’.
    Have you counted the number of times the Packers won without having to ‘come back?’.
    Under Mike McCarthy, the Packers are second only to the Patriots in games won. Look it up. But I know having actual facts is very difficult for some to understand.

  164. The Montana guys love to point out he is 4-0 in the SB vs Brady’s 5-2 yet conveniently ignore the rest of their playoff records. Few things are more indicative of living in an alternate reality than that type of cherry picking.
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    ’83 Montana lost to the Redskins.. the highest scoring offense in NFL history up to that point.

    ’86 he lost to the Giants.. he was knocked out of that game and spent the night in the hospital.

    ’90 the Giants almost ended his career a 2nd time.

    Those teams totaled 5 Championships and 6 Super Bowl trips over the course of Montana’s career.

    Who has Brady lost to? The Giant teams that beat him in the Super Bowl were hot garbage.

    2007 Giants – 14th points scored, 16th total yards, 17th points allowed, 7th yards allowed

    2011 Giants – 9th points scored, 8th total yards, 25th points allowed, 27th yardage

    And there hasn’t been an AFC team that consistently rivaled the Patriots.

    Baltimore was a flash in the pan. The Pats owned Manning. And the Steeler Super Bowl teams never had to go through New England.

    Montana faced better and tougher competition.

    New England has no rival.

  165. Under Mike McCarthy, the Packers are second only to the Patriots in games won.
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    Which is like saying a Mustang is in the same class as a Ferrari.

  166. So for the last 10 years everyone is ranking Montana above Brady because of his rings and now that Brady has more we want to change the criteria?
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    Brady V Montana – individual comparison

    Championships – TEAM accomplishment

    Brady and Montana are big reasons why their teams won Titles, perhaps THE driving forces. But as the Greatest QB coversation goes, I refuse to go only by ring count. If you’d like to, you certainly have that right.

  167. On paper, Aaron Rodgers is hands down the better QB.Their was a reason he was a 1st round draft pick.You can even see it in the stats.So what seperates Brady and Rodgers?They both have been to the playoffs almost every year that they have been in the league.Some say Brady plays for the best coach/system in the league BUT when that same “system” left NE in the form of OC,DC and front office personnel it didn’t do so well.They say “look at BBs coaching tree”.So is it the “system”when it fits in your arguement or is it”look at josh mcdaniels,charlie weiss,even BBs records without Brady.
    So what is it that seperates the two?
    How about LEADERSHIP.
    When Brady missed the first 4 games of the season and they went 3-1,people said “it’s the system”,but they missed the part where the players said “we are waiting for our leader”,”Hey Tom,that was for you” etc.Even when Brady wasn’t on the Field,he was leading them.In the SB”that’s Tom Brady over there”(even opponents recognize).
    Compare the rosters of the Patriots last two SB teams and see how many different players were on them,not only backups but starters.New players come to the Patriots and they say”if Brady practices like that I’ve got to step up my game”,”Brady practices like he never won a SB”,”Brady’s the 1st one there and the last to leave”.
    His leadership,will to win,ability to make people want to win for him is what makes him the GOAT.
    “Hey Tom,for your mom man, lets win this for your mom”.The whole team was down 28-3 yet edleman wanted to win for his QBs mom….thats leadership.

  168. BB says “Stats are for losers” and I agree.Did he get lucky with Brady,yes(nobody saw it) .BUT when he kept 4 QBs on the roster Bradys rookie year,HE SAW IT.I still remember the experts,fans(myself included) saying wtf he doing.BB…I apologize.

  169. On paper, Aaron Rodgers is hands down the better QB.Their was a reason he was a 1st round draft pick.You can even see it in the stats.So what seperates Brady and Rodgers?They both have been to the playoffs almost every year that they have been in the league.Some say Brady plays for the best coach/system in the league BUT when that same “system” left NE in the form of OC,DC and front office personnel it didn’t do so well.They say “look at BBs coaching tree”.So is it the “system”when it fits in your arguement or is it”look at josh mcdaniels,charlie weiss,even BBs records without Brady.
    So what is it that seperates the two?
    How about LEADERSHIP.
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    The difference is Belichick and his ability to run an organization. Not just a team, the franchise overall. The Pats are the best NFL franchise since Walshs’ 49ers. They’re making their case as the best of all-time.

    Rodgers nor any other QB simply don’t have that advantage. It’s not a fair apples to apples comparison.

    Example; Rodgers had a top 10 defense twice in his career (only 2x!!) 2009 and 2010. Those 2 seasons Rodgers had a .694 win%, was 4-1 in the Playoffs and won a Super Bowl.

    Brady has had a top 10 defense every year he won his Titles. 2011 was the only year the Patriots went to the Super Bowl with Brady at the controls without a top 10 defense (15th points allowed, 31st yards allowed)

    Also, name a case of a CATASTROPHIC Patriot breakdown? A loss to the Ravens comes to my mind right away, but that’s about it. I can rattle off 4 Packers meltdowns under Mike McCarthy. EPIC implosion. Belichick doesn’t get embarrassed, he does the embarrassing when he’s on the sideline.

  170. BB says “Stats are for losers”
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    Barry Sanders is the best RB I’ve ever seen… no Rings. Barely made the Playoffs most years. Man, what a loser.

    Dan Marino is without question 1 of the 5 best pure passers I’ve watched in my lifetime… No Titles. 1 Super Bowl. What a loser.

    Derrick Thomas was as feared a pass rusher as the League had ever seen… loser…

    Dumb statement.

    I’m sure he said it to shut some reporter up.

  171. I love the excuse of they never had a great defense and thats why they never won a superbowl.The Patriots always had a great defense they say.

    Flashback to 2004..Patriots vs Eagles…Freddie jackson of the eagles mocked the injury riddled defense of the Patriots saying”Who are their dbs”.

    Ty law and tyrone poole,the starters,were injured and out for THE ENTIRE PLAYOFFS.

    Asante samuel,william gay,troy brown,earthwind moreland were the starters..with otis smith getting playing time…great defense.

    Stats and excuses are for losers.

    When they played the Panthers it was “how is that injury riddled OL going to stop that defense”.

    Stats and excuses are for losers.

    How are they going to stop the greatest show on turf?
    Two scores down against this seahawks defense…its over.
    28-3…no way..

    Stats and excuses are for losers.

  172. Ok I’ll play it’s the defense game.
    When Rodgers played against regular season defenses he won alot of games,threw alot of TDs.
    When he played against playoff defenses(that could actually stop teams,lets say divisional and championship rounds.Wildcard not included) he couldn’t lead his team to victories.He just doesn’t do well against top defenses.

    Google his “STATS” against top rated defenses…..then google bradys stats against top rated defenses.

  173. When he played against playoff defenses(that could actually stop teams,lets say divisional and championship rounds.Wildcard not included) he couldn’t lead his team to victories.He just doesn’t do well against top defenses.
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    2010 Steelers – #1 scoring D, #2 yards allowed

    309 yards, 3 tds, o ints, 111.5 rating

    Super Bowl XLV…. guess you missed it….

  174. .. and he’s the 5th highest rated post-season passer of all-time.

    How can you say he doesn’t perform in the post-season? Only 4 players in NFL history have done it better.

  175. There are alot of QBs rated higher than Brady in QBR.Alot more athletically gifted QBs than Brady.But none can match his heart,his will to win,his ability to get the players around him to play better.Very rarely have the Patriots lost consecutive games.He has done it with different players,coaches and offensive schemes year in and year out.Teams have tried to stop him for years in many different ways.How has that worked out.It must be all them elite players that have played with him over the years.All his WRs are future HOF as are his OL and RBs not to mention the great defenses that he has had during his career….hilarious.
    You can have the 14 to 15 QBs,whose QBR ratings in the postseason is better than Bradys….I’ll take Brady.His playoff record is better than alot of teams combined.

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