Joe Banner: Eagles didn’t consider fan reaction before signing Mike Vick

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Before the Ravens give a second chance to a guy who shouldn’t need a second chance, they’re giving the fan base a chance to make it known how they will react, positively or negatively, to the news.

As noted last night, the Ravens didn’t publicly invite fan input when considering whether to keep Ray Lewis after murder charges became a guilty plea to obstruction of justice or whether to keep Ray Rice before everyone saw the graphic video of the knockout punch or whether to sign Donte’ Stallworth after he pleaded guilty to DUI vehicular manslaughter. Former Eagles president Joe Banner has noted on Twitter that, eight years ago, his team also didn’t do that when considering whether to sign convicted felon Mike Vick.

Vick, who admitted to fighting dogs and killing dogs, spent nearly two years in federal custody. The Eagles decided to give him a second chance without regard to what fan reaction would be, and without publicly discussing it in a way that would encourage fans to chime in. Instead, the Eagles did what they thought they should do from a football standpoint, ignoring the vocal minority or silent majority or whatever other faction or contingent would huff and puff and maybe blow their house down, or maybe not.

It would be easy to say that’s what the Ravens should do, but it’s too late for that. Their decision at this point necessarily will be a product of the anticipated net fan reaction and whether they believe the addition of Kaepernick justifies it. But when a few fans think they can influence football decisions by yelling loudly enough about the preferred outcome, that becomes a very bad precedent for any team.

60 responses to “Joe Banner: Eagles didn’t consider fan reaction before signing Mike Vick

  1. No, they did not. I am so happy that whole “Im gonna shock the world and prove all the haters wrong” thing worked out. Vick lead them to the promised….wait, what? Oh yeah, the Iggles STILL HAVE NOT WON A SUPER BOWL.

  2. Funny how Vick got a 2nd chance (and to his credit, Vick took it and ran with it and hasn’t been in trouble since), but Kap can’t for simply kneeling during a song.

  3. The difference, of course, was that Michael Vick was a game-changing athlete who had a legitimate path to becoming a starter in Philadelphia.

    If you think a player is going to make the fans happy on the field, it’s easy to come to the conclusion that the fans will get over their concerns about a player pretty quickly.

    Even if Kaepernick had a chance to get some real playing time in Baltimore, the last few years suggest he’s not going to suddenly make fans forget why they hate him. He’s just a bad quarterback. It doesn’t get much deeper than that. Nobody wants a bad quarterback who is hated by the fans.

    For the record, they also don’t want a bad quarterback who is excessively loved by the fans (ask Tim Tebow about that). Teams don’t want any sort of baggage at a backup position.

  4. Yes, but Vick only killed dogs, and Kap has participated in a non-violent protest. Those are completely different!

    How much of the angst about Kap is for kneeling, and how is about the pig socks?

  5. First of all, who cares what the Eagles did with Michael Vick?

    Secondly, who are you to say whether Kaepernick deserves a second chance or not? Based on his record he would be getting a second chance to prove he’s still that superbowl game playing QB or the horrendous QB of the last couple of seasons.

    Third, how do you know whether the cries for Kaepernick to not play in Baltimore or anywhere else for that matter are the minority?

    Fourth, at least the Ravens owner and Giants owner have been forthcoming and honest about what they are contemplating in signing Kaepernick. You’d have to assume that all the other teams passing on him have those very same thoughts but aren’t willing to say so just so they don’t have to put up with media nonsense.

    Lastly, did anyone ask the Seahawks what they thought about Kaepernick after having him work out for them? They didn’t sign him and I wonder if that was based off of what they saw in that workout?

    The Ravens are doing exactly what they should be doing. They are weighing ALL factors to decide what is in the best interest of the team.

  6. People need to stop comparing good QB’s playing on bad teams to QB’s playing on good to great teams. The QB position is practically the most interdependent position on the field. And his stats and the way he looks IS A PRODUCT OF THAT TEAM. Why is it people are looking at the years Kaep played on teams that were not good. To be fair, you have to consider his upside by seeing how he did when he played on a good team and that was unquestionable!!!

  7. Vick served his time for committing a felony.

    Kap slapped the Police and the whole country in the face with his actions, now he is serving his time unemployed.

    Is PFT ever going to get over it? Apparently not.

  8. After watching them boo and throw snowballs at Santa you pretty much know what will happen.

  9. …But when a few fans think they can influence football decisions by yelling loudly enough about the preferred outcome, that becomes a very bad precedent for any team….

    And, a government. Lookin at you liberals.

    Thanks!

  10. Thetruthis says:
    Jul 31, 2017 10:26 AM

    People need to stop comparing good QB’s playing on bad teams to QB’s playing on good to great teams. The QB position is practically the most interdependent position on the field. And his stats and the way he looks IS A PRODUCT OF THAT TEAM. Why is it people are looking at the years Kaep played on teams that were not good. To be fair, you have to consider his upside by seeing how he did when he played on a good team and that was unquestionable!!
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    So you want people to only look at the good years he had with SF and not pay any attention to the horrible years he had there. Got it.

    If you want to give him credit for the winning years you have to equally give him blame for the bad ones. If they won because of Kaepernick, then conversely they also lost because of him.

  11. “But when a few fans think they can influence football decisions by yelling loudly enough about the preferred outcome, that becomes a very bad precedent for any team” – how about 90% of fans, and 26% who stopped watching games because of this clown show.

  12. Besides being a bad QB who misses a number of reads as broken down on SI, he is known to have poor work habits as far as film study goes (Romanowski said the coaches noticed Gabbert watched 5X the amount of film on his iPad as Kaep does). They also had to simplify the offense last year for him and only put up numbers in garbage time like the poor man’s Blake Bortles that he is. Teams aren’t going to be in a rush to sign backup QBs with all that, let alone the distraction they cause with their kneeling or not.

  13. Joey, Joey, Joey, back to playing electric football. You know the game where you spent a tedious amount of time lining up perfect formations to have everyone go in different direction once the On switch was pressed.

  14. “But when a few fans think they can influence football decisions by yelling loudly enough about the preferred outcome, that becomes a very bad precedent for any team.”

    Exactly, just like Washington should be careful when a few people are telling it what to name its team. Right???

  15. trojanmaaaan says:
    Jul 31, 2017 10:38 AM
    …But when a few fans think they can influence football decisions by yelling loudly enough about the preferred outcome, that becomes a very bad precedent for any team….

    And, a government. Lookin at you liberals.

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    Vick turned himself around. He may not have won a superbowl but he won the popular vote.

  16. So let me get this straight…Ryan Mallett, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, Mike Glennon, Cowboys backup QB, Nick Foles, and on and on are better QBs than Kapernick? OK…if you say so.

  17. weepingjebus says:
    Jul 31, 2017 10:29 AM
    After watching them boo and throw snowballs at Santa you pretty much know what will happen.

    =======

    I can pretty much guarantee you didn’t see that. If you actually did you must very old and a pretty big Eagle fan because it happened in 1968 and the game wasn’t on television.

  18. There is absolutely NO comparison to be made between Vick and Kaep, even on the fan reaction front. They’re two different guys who are controversial for *very* different reasons.

    And much like the adage goes for coaches, it goes for GMs and team owners: if you start listening to the fans, you’ll someday soon be sitting with them.

  19. kayes says:
    Jul 31, 2017 10:16 AM
    Funny how Vick got a 2nd chance (and to his credit, Vick took it and ran with it and hasn’t been in trouble since), but Kap can’t for simply kneeling during a song.

    Or perhaps your radar isn’t properly calibrated. Kaepernick was and is a narcissistic, bicep kissing, flash in the pan one hit wonder who jumped on a race based bandwagon to help oppose all things white. You know deep down that’s really what is is all about. Don’t feed me no “there are black cops too” or “fighting oppression” baloney.

    And then there’s the pig socks. I can’t understand why anyone would take offense to such a thoughtful protest.

    But the NFL has one rule above all others. If you’re good enough and you’re not in jail, you’ll play somewhere.

  20. patriots123456 says:
    Jul 31, 2017 10:27 AM
    Vick served his time for committing a felony.

    Kap slapped the Police and the whole country in the face with his actions, now he is serving his time unemployed.
    ________________________
    …and a well deserved slap.

    #iserveddidyou?

  21. Just let the KAP ship sail away. Quietly.

    He is not that good.
    All of the QB’s of his ilk have been figured out. Nobody runs his type of offense. He is not wanted or needed.
    Let it go.

  22. Do fans really think that they still matter? This is a business, and the owners and the staff are going to make their money with or without the fans. We should have learned that during the lock out when we were practically begging for them to resolve their issues so we could have football, and they didn’t give a damn, they wanted their money

  23. You always talk about how the only leverage players have are to hold out ect. You know what leverage fans have? “Huffing, puffing, and squawking “. Before you get too annoyed at the little people using their leverage consider this as you sit apon your mighty throne: The fans pay the players, staffs, owners, concessionairs, and by extension, YOUR salary. We vote with our mouths and wallets and if you feel that we’re too uppity, change jobs.

  24. @ patriots123456 says:
    Jul 31, 2017 10:27 AM

    Vick served his time for committing a felony.

    Kap slapped the Police and the whole country in the face with his actions, now he is serving his time unemployed.

    Is PFT ever going to get over it? Apparently not.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    He didn’t slap me in the face at all.

  25. To me, the main consideration is “Can Kaep run an offense designed for Flacco?”

    How much read-option does Baltimore run? Is their OL set up for the read option? Is their receiver corps set up for run-option blocking?
    It is virtually impossible, except in the minds of the media, to have a backup qb who requires a diametrically opposed system and skill set than the starter and expect good results from him if he is thrust into action.

  26. kayes says:
    Jul 31, 2017 10:16 AM

    Funny how Vick got a 2nd chance (and to his credit, Vick took it and ran with it and hasn’t been in trouble since), but Kap can’t for simply kneeling during a song.

    My sentiments exxxactly! Crucified and criticized for using his platform to shed light on the racial injustices that black men face on a daily basis.

    Yet, coward rapists who attack drunk women behind dumpsters and murder CHILDREN get slaps on the wrist

  27. finnymcphin says:
    Jul 30, 2017 11:12 PM
    I never once contended that Kaepernick’s unemployment had to do with anything other than the bottom line. Bisciotti didn’t contradict Goodell, he tacitly stated a truth that the media ignores and one that as fans we lie to ourselves about all the time. The business of NFL football IS business. They don’t give a fig for the flag or our patriotism. Hell has everyone already forgotten they cynically made money off of it? Kaepernick’s unemployment isn’t about freedom of speech, it’s about something much dearer to an owner$ heart. As far as “the guy who did nothing wrong can’t get a second chance that he shouldn’t need” goes you are however gravely mistaken. Other players knelt, they are still employed.
    Here’s what you missed: They didn’t talk about oppression while pimping Castro and espousing hate like it’s a value or wear pig socks when what was needed was a dialogue about true community policing and they didn’t scream for change but not then declare they didn’t bother to vote.
    Kaepernick defiled the cause he espoused every bit as much as he disrespected the flag and the military men and women that were presenting it. That is why he is reviled. Is your horse so high that you can’t see the truth from up there or is it just too inconvenient to your viewpoint to acknowledge? Kaepernick didn’t martyr his career he murdered it.

    Your Jesus was his own cross maker. Hypocrisy, dilettantism and stupidity were his hammer, wood and nails. And all the while back at the cathedral of football capitalism, the business of football remains business, just as it always has and busine$$ is good. How you can’t see that boggles the mind

  28. WHEN IS EVERYONE GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE HATEFUL THINGS KAEPERNICK SAYS ON TWITTER? IM SO TIRED OF EVERYONE ACTING LIKE ITS JUST BECAUSE OF KNEELING

  29. jonwill57 says:
    Jul 31, 2017 11:55 AM

    He didn’t slap me in the face at all.
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    Same here. I wouldn’t have even known the bozo was sitting/kneeling if I hadn’t been slapped in the face with it by the media every 5 minutes.

  30. 4512dawg4512 says:
    Jul 31, 2017 11:50 AM
    Do fans really think that they still matter? This is a business, and the owners and the staff are going to make their money with or without the fans. We should have learned that during the lock out when we were practically begging for them to resolve their issues so we could have football, and they didn’t give a damn, they wanted their money

    Please oh please tell us where they’ll make their teams money without fans. I gotta hear this.

  31. cmoney20 says:
    Jul 31, 2017 12:39 PM

    WHEN IS EVERYONE GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALL THE HATEFUL THINGS KAEPERNICK SAYS ON TWITTER? IM SO TIRED OF EVERYONE ACTING LIKE ITS JUST BECAUSE OF KNEELING
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    most people likely don’t care enough to follow the bozo on twitter.

  32. Sounds like President Orange and his clown show.

    Listen to no one (and particularly those making you rich), act accordingly.

    It’s the way of Merikkka, folks.

  33. No doubt someone will come along this year and do something as or more egregious than Kaepernick . Then he’s off the hook. Michael Vick has been reviled for a long time. It’s washed away now because he did his time. Lemme tell ya that’s not the opinion of everybody. There are still those that want a pound of flesh. I don’t care if he plays or where he plays. He’s in the position that only winning can erase his ‘sins’.

  34. Fan input isn’t asked when teams cut players….it won’t be asked when they sign players. Mike Vick had the sins of dog fighting and spending time in prison on him, yet still got a job. It turned out to be a good decision by the Eagles.

  35. To be fair, Banners tweet also leaves this open to anti-Vick people arguing Banner is on their side. “No we did not (but wish we had)”. The finesse of language.

  36. In his twitter he has a picture of himself wearing a shirt with Huey Newton. A co-founder of the Black Panthers and a convicted felon who was in prison multiple times for stabbing a guy and shooting and killing another. He shot and killed a girl for calling him a baby and he pistol whipped his tailor.

  37. matiberio says:
    Jul 31, 2017 3:07 PM

    Clearly the Eagles have balls, the Ravens… Not so much.
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    Actually the Ravens brass and Giants brass has that version of balls by coming right out and saying exactly why they are either not going to sign him, or why the idea is not a slam dunk for signing him. It is because actions matter. What you say matters. Especially if you are going to be the leader and face of a franchise.

    There also must be some question about his ability and contract demands or why didn’t the Seahawks sign him after they worked him out? Why hasn’t any other team in the league signed him?

  38. “Does anybody really care what Joe Banner thinks?”

    No…nobody really cares what Joe Banner thinks, but the decision to give Mike Vick another chance worked out pretty well for both the Eagles and Vick. Sure…..he didn’t win them any championships but he was a serviceable QB while he was there and provided a few ‘wow” moments. The Ravens shouldn’t care what the fans think about signing Kaepernick either. They should do what they feel is best for the team. If he plays well the fans will love him. Funny how those things work.

  39. webbiewebs3 says:
    Jul 31, 2017 3:19 PM

    Actually the Ravens brass and Giants brass has that version of balls by coming right out and saying exactly why they are either not going to sign him, or why the idea is not a slam dunk for signing him. It is because actions matter. What you say matters. Especially if you are going to be the leader and face of a franchise.
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    Actions like the Ravens sweeping the Ray Rice situation under the carpet, and Mara saying that there would be zero tolerance of domestic violence, and then they resigned Josh Brown, whom they absolutely knew was a wife abuser?

    If they don’t want to sign Kaepernick, then don’t sign him, but don’t try to hide behind some cloak of morality, which neither Biscotti or Mara have.

  40. The comparison isn’t between Vick and Kaep. The comparison is between how teams perceive a player, based on their actions, and how they react to those actions based on that perception. In other words, this has nothing to do with the players and everything to do with the teams.

  41. Vick turned his life around AND played good football…Kap has been declining or imo exposed as a just a bad QB..Not to mention i am a combat vet with 2 tours. I will not forgive his protest. Anybody who disagrees with me fine, but until you have seen what I have over thete

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