NFL: Goodell was aware of Kia Roberts’ opinions

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The NFL will have plenty to say in court about the 30-page petition filed overnight on behalf of Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott. For now, the league has one clear message.

The allegation that league executives conspired to keep the opinions of director of investigations Kia Roberts from Commissioner Roger Goodell is not accurate.

“I can tell you without any hesitation that this is false,” NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart told PFT by phone on Friday morning.

Lockhart explained that Goodell was aware of the views of everyone on the team. Roberts, according to Elliott’s lawsuit, believed Tiffany Thompson was not credible, and that Elliott should not be suspended.

“It’s categorically false that the information was kept from the Commission,” Lockhart said.

Lockhart did not dispute the notion that Roberts believed Thompson to not be credible. He noted that the Commissioner was aware of Roberts’ concerns regarding the credibility of Thompson and other witnesses.

“The findings were not based on the testimony of any one witness,” Lockhart said. “It was based on evidence through forensic sources and it was corroborated in the process.”

The league previously has argued that photographs taken by Thompson of her injuries, coupled with metadata confirming the precise time they were taken, contributed to the conclusion that the injuries were inflicted by Elliott.

Lockhart agreed that Roberts was not present for the June 26 hearing in the Elliott case, and that she was not present for the meeting with the Commissioner that included a recommendation from Special Counsel for Investigations Lisa Friel that sufficient evidence exists to suspend Elliott. Lockhart said that the June 26 hearing “was not designed to put questions to investigators,” but for Elliott to make his case. Lockhart also said that Roberts’ presence at the meeting with the Commissioner was not necessary, because he was aware of her concerns.

Kia Roberts, who interviewed Thompson on multiple occasions, has become a central figure in this case because she testified at the three-day appeal hearing. Per Lockhart, the NFL did not designate her as a witness; Elliott requested that she be required to testify, and arbitrator Harold Henderson agreed. For its part, the league was content to rely on the 160-page report arising from the investigation.

Elliott also wanted the Commissioner to be required to testify. If he had, he could have explained that he was aware of Roberts’ opinions directly to Henderson.

92 responses to “NFL: Goodell was aware of Kia Roberts’ opinions

  1. I know the posters here will likely stick with the conspiracy theory but whether I like Goodell or not, this has a lot more plausibility than some sort of massive plan to keep Zeke off the field to placate Mara and the Giants. That is tin foil hat kind of talk. Besides, didn’t the Giants go 2-0 against the Cowboys *with* Zeke in the backfield?

  2. It sure would play better for Roger if he hadn’t been made aware of her concerns. Then at least he has plausible deniability. Instead now he has to defend suspending a player that the only person to interview his accuser didn’t think should be suspended.

    Kia Roberts came away from 3 interviews with Tiffany thinking she was lying and making this up. That’s a pretty big deal to not consider after the fact.

  3. Erase the suspension and it all goes away. I wonder if that is the whole intent behind this move. If the nfl doesn’t want this to get ugly, they could attempt to get a message to henderson to simply vacate the suspension. The suit gets dropped, amd everyone walks away.

  4. reddzen says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:32 am
    I know the posters here will likely stick with the conspiracy theory but whether I like Goodell or not, this has a lot more plausibility than some sort of massive plan to keep Zeke off the field to placate Mara and the Giants. That is tin foil hat kind of talk. Besides, didn’t the Giants go 2-0 against the Cowboys *with* Zeke in the backfield?
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    2 games by a total of 4 points. To say he doesn’t make a difference is ridiculous.

  5. reddzen says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:32 am
    I know the posters here will likely stick with the conspiracy theory but whether I like Goodell or not, this has a lot more plausibility than some sort of massive plan to keep Zeke off the field to placate Mara and the Giants. That is tin foil hat kind of talk. Besides, didn’t the Giants go 2-0 against the Cowboys *with* Zeke in the backfield?

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    This isn’t about suspensions anymore. This is about a league and a Commissioner smearing an innocent man to make up for their Ray Rice screw up. Suspensions shouldn’t even be a part of the discussion anymore. This is about slander.

  6. Goodell seems to pre-select certain players to make an example of. How else do you explain Josh Gordons nearly three years of suspensions for relatively minor substance abuses, while perpetrators of domestic violence and fire arm violations skate by with wrist slaps?

  7. reddzen says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:32 am
    I know the posters here will likely stick with the conspiracy theory but whether I like Goodell or not, this has a lot more plausibility than some sort of massive plan to keep Zeke off the field to placate Mara and the Giants. That is tin foil hat kind of talk. Besides, didn’t the Giants go 2-0 against the Cowboys *with* Zeke in the backfield?
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    And, again, how does Mara get a 1 game suspension for Brown, who had 20 admitted counts of DV and the Cowboy gets 6 games when the investigator said there should be no suspension? To not believe there are outside forces involved is crazy. Just an explanation should be in order.

  8. amishninjas says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:34 am
    It sure would play better for Roger if he hadn’t been made aware of her concerns. Then at least he has plausible deniability. Instead now he has to defend suspending a player that the only person to interview his accuser didn’t think should be suspended.

    Kia Roberts came away from 3 interviews with Tiffany thinking she was lying and making this up. That’s a pretty big deal to not consider after the fact.

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    Plus, Kia Roberts will now have to testify under oath.

    One of two things can come of this:

    1. She quietly is moved to a different role, resigns or is fired.

    2. She testifies, Elliot wins, and Goodell is fired or forced to resign himself.

    Arrest, try and convict Roger Goodell.

  9. The personal conduct policy was a proactive effort by owners to avoid the pitfalls of the 1970s NBA. Blacks making money and doing socially frowned upon acts cost NBA owners money.
    This policy now actually alters the competitive balance, as players like Brady and Peterson not playing changes the standings.
    The concept most of us aren’t getting is that this policy isn’t created to know the truth of any matter, it’s created to let the NFL appeal to its money base that they share their values, so keep supporting us.
    It’s a contradictory dance as we watch to see who the best team is, but the best team can lose a star player for reasons not directly related to availability.
    6 games for Zeke is getting more outrage than 15 games for Peterson, even though Petersons suspension effectively ended the Vikings season at week 1.

  10. touchdownamericasteam says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:51 am
    Erase the suspension and it all goes away. I wonder if that is the whole intent behind this move. If the nfl doesn’t want this to get ugly, they could attempt to get a message to henderson to simply vacate the suspension. The suit gets dropped, amd everyone walks away.

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    Too late.

    It’s too obvious what has happened. For 10 years, Goodell has been in position to lie, cheat and steal, while defaming people.

  11. Something just seems off about this whole investigation. So the NFL is ignoring what their investigator thought. Then why have this person handle the investigation? If she is the only one who handled that interview with the accuser then how did Goodell and the NFL find her more credible then Elliott.

    Just seems like a lot of weird things going on.

  12. imsomeguy says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:47 am
    Goodell doesn’t give AF about facts or what others think… he made his decision and all the rest be damned…

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    Ratings dropped 12% last year.

    How much do they go down this year?

    With a new CBA needed in a few years, losing momentum and leverage with new tv deals, the latter where MOST of the money is made in the NFL these days, the owners are not going to want that at all.

    All was swell until the ratings have started to drop.

    It’s not 2012 anymore.

  13. I want one person to explain intelligently how they could read the girls text messages saying she got in a bar fight and planned to pin it on Elliot and still believe there’s any chance at all he is guilty.

  14. Elliot continues to act as if he is a model citizen. Has nothing to do with who he plays for, it deals with character and he has had way to many chances to clean it up. Take your medicine and move on and learn about it. This excuse of who what when is lame, other have been dealt punishment not charged.

  15. This the unintended consequence of public perception that the NFL doesn’t do enough about domestic violence. The NFL takes action and people call it a conspiracy. Had Goodell honored the opinion of the legal investigation, feminists would be marching outside games. Lose-lose

  16. I think if there were not a video of Elliot pulling down that woman’s shirt that there would not be a suspension. The NFL felt that they had to take some action. I’m surprised that woman has not sued Elliot. Seems like an easy money case.

  17. It seems all the investigators( police, da and lead nfl investigator Roberts–) that came into contact or interviewed the accuser came away with serious questions about her credibility–Roberts was so concerned about the inconsistency of the accusers testimony that she wrote a memo describing the red flags in detail. None of the committee members, Friel or Goodell interviewed the witness and totally ignored these facts because it did not fit their predetermined outcome for Zeke.

  18. I don’t like the cowboys and I really don’t like zeke after seeing the way he’s acted, but at this point they both have more creditability than Goodell. He just always seems like he’s on a witch hunt. No matter the team (except for the Giants, he loves them)

  19. Two things are true:

    1. Thompson is not credible. She was to extort money from Elliot and wanted to make it seem like he dragged her from a car. That is in her own words. That’s not a credible person.

    2. There is photographic evidence that Thompson suffered abuse causing injuries. The photographs were confirmed via meta data to be taken the day the injuries occurred and there is no plausible explanation of the injuries other than Elliot caused them. Elliot was with her during the time the injuries occurred.

    Her lack of credibility doesn’t necessarily impact the other evidence. It would basically have to be proven possible that the injuries could have been sustained in another way.

  20. “The findings were not based on the testimony of any one witness,” Lockhart said. “It was based on evidence through forensic sources and it was corroborated in the process.”

    That statement alone should erase the suspension. All the “forensic sources” did was confirm that Thompson suffered injuries; there isn’t a hair of forensic evidence (that we have been made aware of) that ties Elliot to those injuries. If the NFL claims that its findings were made on the basis of forensics, then it’s essentially admitting that the findings are bogus, because they don’t indict Elliot in any way.

  21. “Lockhart explained that Goodell was aware of the views of everyone on the team.”

    Like how Lisa Friel, who blocked Kia Roberts conclusions from the report and recommended a 6 game suspension, is a massive Giants fan?

  22. “there is no plausible explanation of the injuries other than Elliot caused them. ”

    She was in a bar fight a day or 2 before the photos were taken that seem to be their cause, not Elliott.

  23. The lies will pour of out 345 Corruption Ave over this. The Mara influence is clear and the collusion is clear.

  24. I don’t have access to all the facts, so I do not really have an opinion on guilt/innocence. What I have read in the news leads me to believe Tiffany Thompson is not credible.

    I do believe this though, if called to testify, Roger Goodell will tell the court he was aware of the opinions of director of investigations Kia Roberts, regardless of if he was or wasn’t. In other words, I believe he will lie if he has to.

  25. This is a mess. Elliott looks terrible. Thompson looks terrible.

    I don’t understand why Kia Roberts opinion is relevant at all. She investigates she’s not the decision maker. But the evidence contradicting Thompson is what is concerning.

  26. I haven’t seeen any of the “evidence”, so can’t really opine on Elliott.

    This should finally have the attention of every player, coach and owner in the NFL though. The league office (under Roger Goodell’s leadership and control) determines what they think needs to be the outcome, and then commissions investigations in support of the pre-determination. This is what Roger men’s when we says “we have a process and we follow it”. It’s called confirmation bias. Most investigative agencies strive to avoid it in their work processes, but Roger Goodell strives to embrace it with both hands.

    Greed is clearly more important to the owners (at the expense of all fans, NFL communities, advertisers, and sponsors). This would be cause for termi nation in any other $15B business.

  27. I haven’t seeen any of the “evidence”, so can’t really opine on Elliott.

    This should finally have the attention of every player, coach and owner in the NFL though. The league office (under Roger Goodell’s leadership and control) determines what they think needs to be the outcome, and then commissions investigations in support of the pre-determination. This is what Roger men’s when we says “we have a process and we follow it”. It’s called confirmation bias. Most investigative agencies strive to avoid it in their work processes, but Roger Goodell strives to embrace it with both hands.

    Greed is clearly more important to the owners (at the expense of all fans, NFL communities, advertisers, and sponsors). This would be cause for termi nation in any other $15B business.

  28. “Her lack of credibility doesn’t necessarily impact the other evidence. It would basically have to be proven possible that the injuries could have been sustained in another way.”

    Her injuries were due to a bar fight Thompson was in earlier that night. She said so herself, as did the people she asked to lie for her.

  29. Six games is excessive. He obviously did something, but the problem is that the victim not only has no credibility but was actively fabricating. I think two games would’ve been sufficient given the NFL’s stance on DV, but there is so much gray area in this case perhaps they should’ve just let the guy off and nail him next time.

  30. Werent those pictures taken a day after she had a bar fight with another woman….Regardless of “meta data”…she could of went to his house…then posted those pics showing bruises from the woman who beat her up. The things that stand out to me are.

    1. NFL does not equal CSI…get a freaking grip NFL you are not the masters of forensic science. Deflategate pretty much proved that.
    2. Reasonable doubt, no jury could reasonable find Zeke guilty. NFL should hold their investigations to the same standard. Theres a reason why thats such an important clause in criminal trials…
    3. I hope the suspension stands and this goes to court. This power that goodel has needs to be stripped, no way is it reasonable for your employer fire/suspend you for something that cant be proven.

  31. fordman84 says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:21 am
    “Her lack of credibility doesn’t necessarily impact the other evidence. It would basically have to be proven possible that the injuries could have been sustained in another way.”

    Her injuries were due to a bar fight Thompson was in earlier that night. She said so herself, as did the people she asked to lie for her.

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    Very similar to the Ray Rice case, isn’t it? Except now, he’s going in the other direction (going out of his way to frame Elliott to make up for the Rice cover up).

    I mean, WOW.

  32. bullcharger says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:10 am

    Two things are true:

    1. Thompson is not credible. She was to extort money from Elliot and wanted to make it seem like he dragged her from a car. That is in her own words. That’s not a credible person.

    2. There is photographic evidence that Thompson suffered abuse causing injuries. The photographs were confirmed via meta data to be taken the day the injuries occurred and there is no plausible explanation of the injuries other than Elliot caused them. Elliot was with her during the time the injuries occurred.

    Her lack of credibility doesn’t necessarily impact the other evidence. It would basically have to be proven possible that the injuries could have been sustained in another way.
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    1. I think everyone can agree she is not a credible person.

    2. You’re argument totally depends on the validity of metadata of the photos but metadata can be easily manipulated using free software you download from the internet. Just ask any college student who was late turning in an assignment!

    3.There is a plausible explanation – 2 witnesses (including her own friend) stated she got into a bar fight the day before she decided to charge Elliot with hitting her.

    Good try!

  33. DrSteveBrule says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:08 am
    I think if there were not a video of Elliot pulling down that woman’s shirt that there would not be a suspension. The NFL felt that they had to take some action. I’m surprised that woman has not sued Elliot. Seems like an easy money case.

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    Elliot did deserve punishment under the personal conduct policy for that. However, the woman wasn’t upset about it at all, so despite what he did being reprehensible it wasn’t offensive to the person who is the perceived victim. I’m not sure you can punish the guy too severely for it, but it does pile on all his other behavior.

  34. Just to be absolutely clear none of the ivestigator’s findings were considered, rather an outcome was determined by Goodell, Friel and a group of other lawyers, none if which, either interviewed nor came into contact with the accuser? Ok, got it.

  35. fordman84 says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:21 am
    “Her lack of credibility doesn’t necessarily impact the other evidence. It would basically have to be proven possible that the injuries could have been sustained in another way.”

    Her injuries were due to a bar fight Thompson was in earlier that night. She said so herself, as did the people she asked to lie for her.

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    Investigators said there was no way that the injuries were consistent with a bar fight and witnesses said that nothing happened that could have caused those injuries.

    So not so much.

  36. “I don’t understand why Kia Roberts opinion is relevant at all. ”

    How about because the league hired her to investigate / interview the so called victim and the origin of her injuries?

    When you pay someone to provide a conclusion, and then ignore and bury that conclusion because it doesn’t match the result you desire that’s called a corrupt practice.

  37. I just made some fresh popcorn to watch this unfold. It seems most of the Fans (particularly non-Pats fans) have forgotten the golden rule; he who owns the gold rules. Goodell can punish any player, and for ambiguous reasons as per the NFLPA agreement. The real shame is that this case and many others will be front and center for the next round of contract between league and players and that likely spells S-T-R-I-K-E.

  38. “Forensic sources”, what ? Is the NFL into CSI or something? How is the NFL’s investigation better than the criminal legal system, which chose not to prosecute? Can’t lend much credibility to Joe Lockhart, who worked for Bill Clinton, you know the President that said “I did not have relations with that woman”, so Lockhart should go take a flying leap. Roger Goodell, you are a hypocrite and a moron.

  39. Kia Roberts wasn’t on the four person panel that Goodell hired. Sounds like the panel looked at things broader.

  40. As more layers of this onion are peeled back, it only becomes clearer how much of an outright witch hunt this has turned out to be. It’s embarrassing for the league, and on the heels of previous humiliations such as deflategate, it’s obvious they are going to use every ounce of leverage and control they can to avoid more backfires.

  41. racistchecker says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:29 am
    bullcharger says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:10 am
    Two things are true:
    1. Thompson is not credible. She was to extort money from Elliot and wanted to make it seem like he dragged her from a car. That is in her own words. That’s not a credible person.
    2. There is photographic evidence that Thompson suffered abuse causing injuries. The photographs were confirmed via meta data to be taken the day the injuries occurred and there is no plausible explanation of the injuries other than Elliot caused them. Elliot was with her during the time the injuries occurred.
    Her lack of credibility doesn’t necessarily impact the other evidence. It would basically have to be proven possible that the injuries could have been sustained in another way.
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    1. I think everyone can agree she is not a credible person.
    2. You’re argument totally depends on the validity of metadata of the photos but metadata can be easily manipulated using free software you download from the internet. Just ask any college student who was late turning in an assignment!
    3.There is a plausible explanation – 2 witnesses (including her own friend) stated she got into a bar fight the day before she decided to charge Elliot with hitting her.
    Good try!

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    2. The if a forensic investigator pulled the photos from her phone the odds that the metadata was tampered with is basically zero. You can disagree if you want, but this is true.

    3. Witnesses said there is no way the fight caused those injuries and investigators said the injuries were not consistent with a fight.

    Good try also!

  42. @bullcharger
    “Investigators said there was no way that the injuries were consistent with a bar fight and witnesses said that nothing happened that could have caused those injuries.”
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    Those conclusions were based on the photographs the own victim took herself and not a medical examination. Tell me when was the last time you took pictures of a skin condition and sent them to your doctor to give you an exact diagnosis. Your doctor would have to do a physical examination to determine an actual diagnosis, so for investigators to come to that conclusion is flawed. You can’t with 100% certainty say it didn’t occur due to the bar fight. If this were possible, all the criminal system would need to do is provide photos in court without ever having to fully examine a crime scene. So not so much.

  43. 3. Witnesses said there is no way the fight caused those injuries and investigators said the injuries were not consistent with a fight.

    Good try also!

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    Source?

  44. John Henry’s Hammer says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:52 am
    reddzen says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:32 am
    I know the posters here will likely stick with the conspiracy theory but whether I like Goodell or not, this has a lot more plausibility than some sort of massive plan to keep Zeke off the field to placate Mara and the Giants. That is tin foil hat kind of talk. Besides, didn’t the Giants go 2-0 against the Cowboys *with* Zeke in the backfield?
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    2 games by a total of 4 points. To say he doesn’t make a difference is ridiculous.
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    If Terrance Williams gets out of bounds in game 1, instead of trying to turn upfield, it’s probably 1-1.

  45. dkeucd says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:54 am
    reddzen says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:32 am
    I know the posters here will likely stick with the conspiracy theory but whether I like Goodell or not, this has a lot more plausibility than some sort of massive plan to keep Zeke off the field to placate Mara and the Giants. That is tin foil hat kind of talk. Besides, didn’t the Giants go 2-0 against the Cowboys *with* Zeke in the backfield?

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    This isn’t about suspensions anymore. This is about a league and a Commissioner smearing an innocent man to make up for their Ray Rice screw up. Suspensions shouldn’t even be a part of the discussion anymore. This is about slander.

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    Goodell smeared and slandered Tom Brady…. To think otherwise one would have to believe that Brady ordered a guy to remove s statistically insignificant amount of air (0.2 PSI) from each football.

    Where was your outrage then?

  46. Surely there was a team that voted against this CBA that allows Goodell to be judge, jury, and executioner. Does anyone know what team it was?

  47. reddzen says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:32 am
    I know the posters here will likely stick with the conspiracy theory but whether I like Goodell or not, this has a lot more plausibility than some sort of massive plan to keep Zeke off the field to placate Mara and the Giants. That is tin foil hat kind of talk. Besides, didn’t the Giants go 2-0 against the Cowboys *with* Zeke in the backfield?

    I don’t think shouts of “conspiracy” apply directly to Elliott, persay. Moreso, it is a conspiracy to arrive at a predetermined outcome of discipline as to make the commissioner appear tough of domestic violence in light of past screw ups. a suspension of Elliott allows the league to appear tough on DV while keeping up with repairing public perception. That is the conspiracy. Elliott just happens to be the vehicle in which the conspiracy is carried.

  48. I’m a Gambling Man and if I were to place a bet, the suspension stands.
    Why ? How did Tom Brady’s appeal go ?? Roger will not change his opinion nor will he reduce the original verdict. He can’t. Roger cannot afford to be wishy-washy with these kinds of offenses and punishment. It would damage his reputation amongst the owners and the public.
    Plus the owners are working on a new contract for Roger. Big $$$$$$

  49. Elliot did deserve punishment under the personal conduct policy for that. However, the woman wasn’t upset about it at all, so despite what he did being reprehensible it wasn’t offensive to the person who is the perceived victim. I’m not sure you can punish the guy too severely for it, but it does pile on all his other behavior.

    I’m not ready to consider the behaviour to be reprehensible if nobody involved in the act is upset by it. Society got offended on behalf of that woman because the act made society uncomfortable. Full stop.

  50. This has all the hallmarks of an owners’ fight. Mara is the last of Goodell’s major supporters. The NFL administration has become a tool of select (jealous)owners. Perhaps Jones can mobilize other owners to bring some justice to Goodell’s kangaroo court. The Second Circuit caused this mess and will likely continue it once the case is removed from the East Texas Circuit Court (federal courts do not like forum shopping). The NFL believes that as long as there is one piece of credible evidence they can suspend despite the presence of compelling data to the contrary. The only “evidence” are photos of bruises. One of the commentators above stated that there was no explanation other than Elliott’s assault for the bruises shown in the pictures. Really? A woman planning to extort money and there is no other explanation other than Elliott assaulted her? Come on!

  51. ktoast says:
    September 1, 2017 at 11:33 am
    Elliot did deserve punishment under the personal conduct policy for that. However, the woman wasn’t upset about it at all, so despite what he did being reprehensible it wasn’t offensive to the person who is the perceived victim. I’m not sure you can punish the guy too severely for it, but it does pile on all his other behavior.

    I’m not ready to consider the behaviour to be reprehensible if nobody involved in the act is upset by it. Society got offended on behalf of that woman because the act made society uncomfortable. Full stop.

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    So 6 games for something like “conduct unbecoming”, but 1 game for Josh Brown, almost ZERO for Ray Rice until the interior elevator vid was released, which then turned out to be 2 games.

    All in the name of Article 46, huh?

    Why do you people who defend Goodell, attach your wagon to his? He’s a pathological, lying cheat, who apparently doesn’t care if he defames people in our society.

    Explain how this is good behavior and good for the future of the NFL?

    As a Pats fan, I could claim a lot of Gronk’s actions off the field, while somewhat immature at times in the past, is as bad as Elliott at a parade enjoying his gf or the gal he’s hooking up with, flashing the crowd.

    At what point does this stop?

  52. suncawy says:
    September 1, 2017 at 11:03 am
    @bullcharger
    “Investigators said there was no way that the injuries were consistent with a bar fight and witnesses said that nothing happened that could have caused those injuries.”
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    Those conclusions were based on the photographs the own victim took herself and not a medical examination. Tell me when was the last time you took pictures of a skin condition and sent them to your doctor to give you an exact diagnosis. Your doctor would have to do a physical examination to determine an actual diagnosis, so for investigators to come to that conclusion is flawed. You can’t with 100% certainty say it didn’t occur due to the bar fight. If this were possible, all the criminal system would need to do is provide photos in court without ever having to fully examine a crime scene. So not so much.

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    Who said anything about 100% certainty. The point is that the photos have a high certainty of authenticity and the injuries aren’t consistent with a bar fight and that is corroborated by witnesses who said that she didn’t have much of a fight.

    Of course you can’t be 100% certain. She could have faked the whole thing with an elaborate rouse. She had the motive for sure. However, she couldn’t even avoid talking about blackmail in text. She’s not exactly a criminal mastermind. It’s likely the injuries were sustained from something other than the bar fight and it’s not likely the injuries were fake.

    That doesn’t mean Elliot did it, but the other options are not good.

  53. It just becomes more clear with each subsequent case – the NFL is not qualified and has no business investigating and evaluating these things. Whether the player is guilty (Ray Rice, Josh Brown) or not (Tom Brady, Ezekiel Elliott (?)) the league just completely butchers the investigations. Its just become a complete joke.

  54. Not just Dallas fanboys…fantasy fanboys who drafted him. This is no different from the great “Free Josh Gordon” debates that achieved nothing. They blow off steam here and pat each other on the back.

  55. Dallas is just hoping to pull a Bradycheat type of suspension delay out of their butts. Everyone knows he’s guilty. But if there is a conspiracy to be discussed, it
    s the one being funded by Jerry Jones & the NFLPA.

  56. hifive123 says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:03 am

    This the unintended consequence of public perception that the NFL doesn’t do enough about domestic violence.
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    This is the consequence of the fact that the NFL doesn’t give a rat’s goodell about domestic violence, and the feeling that they had to make up for their utter incompetence of the last two domestic violence suspensions.

  57. tylawspick6 says: September 1, 2017 at 11:39 am

    Why do you people who defend Goodell, attach your wagon to his? He’s a pathological, lying cheat, who apparently doesn’t care if he defames people in our society.

    Explain how this is good behavior and good for the future of the NFL?

    As a Pats fan, I could claim a lot of Gronk’s actions off the field, while somewhat immature at times in the past, is as bad as Elliott at a parade enjoying his gf or the gal he’s hooking up with, flashing the crowd.
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    Well, it starts with the fact that anyone who commits this type of act has NO business being allowed to play again. The fact that they let them back on the field is the real problem. And that goes for Brady also…

  58. Goodelll was aware of the investigator’s opinion. Instead he substituted his expert investigative
    experience and deductions to reach a conclusion. Why have an investigator ,
    why hire alleged forensic experts when Goodell knows it all?

  59. steeldominance says:
    September 1, 2017 at 11:27 am
    Surely there was a team that voted against this CBA that allows Goodell to be judge, jury, and executioner. Does anyone know what team it was?

    If I remember correctly the vote was 30-2, but you are looking at the wrong end of the pipe. Whichever owner(s) voted against it would have absolutely nothing to do with this. How did the players allow this to get in place is the question that should be asked.

  60. truthdispensary says:
    September 1, 2017 at 11:58 am
    tylawspick6 says: September 1, 2017 at 11:39 am

    Why do you people who defend Goodell, attach your wagon to his? He’s a pathological, lying cheat, who apparently doesn’t care if he defames people in our society.

    Explain how this is good behavior and good for the future of the NFL?

    As a Pats fan, I could claim a lot of Gronk’s actions off the field, while somewhat immature at times in the past, is as bad as Elliott at a parade enjoying his gf or the gal he’s hooking up with, flashing the crowd.
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    Well, it starts with the fact that anyone who commits this type of act has NO business being allowed to play again. The fact that they let them back on the field is the real problem. And that goes for Brady also…

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    Umm, what “act” are we talking about here?

    You have to be guilty of something with evidence for Goodell to enact Article 46.

    Framing innocent people is illegal in the United States of America.

  61. TheVikingsHaveHowManySBTrophys? says:
    September 1, 2017 at 11:32 am

    Roger cannot afford to be wishy-washy with these kinds of offenses and punishment.
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    The reason they are in this mess is because Roger has been grossly wishy-washy with these kinds of offenses and punishments.

    He makes a lot of money, so he can afford it.

  62. It’s too obvious what has happened. For 10 years, Goodell has been in position to lie, cheat and steal, while defaming people.
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    And yet his actions are so outrageous, and he’s such a liablity… his employers haven’t fired him…..

    Curious.

  63. bullcharger says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:30 am
    DrSteveBrule says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:08 am
    I think if there were not a video of Elliot pulling down that woman’s shirt that there would not be a suspension. The NFL felt that they had to take some action. I’m surprised that woman has not sued Elliot. Seems like an easy money case.

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    Elliot did deserve punishment under the personal conduct policy for that. However, the woman wasn’t upset about it at all, so despite what he did being reprehensible it wasn’t offensive to the person who is the perceived victim. I’m not sure you can punish the guy too severely for it, but it does pile on all his other behavior.

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    If people would take the time to read the full story, the woman in question at the parade arrived WITH Zeke. She had already flashed the crowd a dozen or more times, then Zeke pulled her shirt down, and after the “incident” she flashed the crowd a dozen or more times. After the parade, she left with Zeke, and then went on vacation with him the following week.

  64. The league office has already shown that it knows more than the laws of physics, so also knowing more than the police and their own investigator isn’t too surprising.

  65. jbacher35 says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:01 am
    Something just seems off about this whole investigation. So the NFL is ignoring what their investigator thought. Then why have this person handle the investigation? If she is the only one who handled that interview with the accuser then how did Goodell and the NFL find her more credible then Elliott.

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    I’ll tell you why, because from the beginning Goodell had every intend to suspend Elliot no matter the findings. This guy needs to go. The NFL will have no credibility as long as this guy is in charge.

  66. ….for Cowboy fans out there lamenting injustice (which appears to be significant in this case at the moment), unfortunately Jerry Jones was a very vocal participant in supporting the legal processes upon which Roger Goodell will rely in this case. Every player, coach and owner could have had more foresight to prevent Roger Goodell witch hunts from becoming stuffed heads mounted on the conference room wall at 345 Park Avenue.

  67. ….and for what it is worth, a statement of the obvious. GREED matters more to the owners than anything that gets posted here until fans start withholding some of the greenbacks that the NFL calls “revenue”. Roger Goodell gets paid huge amounts of money because he panders to the owner’s greed. Less NFL revenue = less Roger Goodell. There are extension talks for Goodell going on. Think about it.

  68. DrSteveBrule says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:08 am

    I think if there were not a video of Elliot pulling down that woman’s shirt that there would not be a suspension. The NFL felt that they had to take some action. I’m surprised that woman has not sued Elliot. Seems like an easy money case.
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    The NFL has already said that that had nothing to do with his suspension. That woman was with Elliott.

  69. It’s o.k. everyone we can relax…the NFL spokesperson has assured us all sides have been heard and the NFL commissioner did everything right.

    This is great news for everyone…we can rule out conspiracy and/or incompetence. Whew!

    Sarcasm intended…

  70. Ok, so the lead investigator states the accusing witness is NOT credible. Everyone knew this. It is also known she conspired with a friend to “ruin his life”. Also known is she had a physical altercation at a bar while drunk with another woman, days before these marks on her were said to have been made by Elliott, with at least one of these instances of violence having witnesses who said he did nothing to her. But—he is guilty of domestic violence in the NFLs eyes and is suspended 6 games. Splain please.

  71. mmack66 says:
    The reason they are in this mess is because Roger has been grossly wishy-washy with these kinds of offenses and punishments.
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    You can’t be serious mack. Yes the Ray Rice situation was muddled but that’s because the video was not available until AFTER the original opinion. The video changed everything. Since then when it comes to domestic violence, Roger has been solid. You can’t name another botched opinion regarding D.V. since the Rice deal. NONE !!
    Your a Cowboy fan, I understand the frustration, for real.

  72. bobthebillsfan says:
    September 1, 2017 at 10:16 am

    I do believe this though, if called to testify, Roger Goodell will tell the court he was aware of the opinions of director of investigations Kia Roberts, regardless of if he was or wasn’t. In other words, I believe he will lie if he has to.
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    Of course he will. He lies even when he doesn’t have to.

  73. TheVikingsHaveHowManySBTrophys? says:
    September 1, 2017 at 1:48 pm

    You can’t be serious mack. Yes the Ray Rice situation was muddled but that’s because the video was not available until AFTER the original opinion. The video changed everything. Since then when it comes to domestic violence, Roger has been solid. You can’t name another botched opinion regarding D.V. since the Rice deal. NONE !!
    Your a Cowboy fan, I understand the frustration, for real.
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    If you think the Josh Brown suspension wasn’t botched, you must be a Giants fan.

    I am not a Cowboys fan.

  74. You know the sad part is the people here actually think any of this is about guilt or innocence. The NFL doesn’t care whether he’s guilty or not. This is about power. The commissioner and the NFL are making sure their players know that they have the power to do whatever they want. Right and wrong only applies as to what is right or wrong for the NFL. As far as they are concerned this makes them look good in the media. That they are taking a stand against domestic violence. If a football player has to lose a few games and money to make them look good that’s a winning solution for them. If this case, or Tom Brady’s case for that matter, ever saw a neutral arbitrator it would be thrown out quicker than you can say how about them Cowboys!

    Also, I’ve heard other commentators state why did the NFL even mention the St. Patrick’s Day parade in today? I think they did that on purpose. In case Henderson does decide to reduce the suspension they still stand to leave Zeke with a two game suspension just for that Saint patrick’s day thing alone. I think it gives Henderson leeway to reduce it and yet still give Zeke something disciplinary wise.

  75. kameleono says:
    September 1, 2017 at 8:41 pm

    As far as they are concerned this makes them look good in the media. That they are taking a stand against domestic violence.
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    Then they need to get some new lawyers and/or consultants, because all this is doing is making them look desperate.

  76. tylawspick6 says:
    September 1, 2017 at 9:58 am

    Plus, Kia Roberts will now have to testify under oath.

    One of two things can come of this:

    1. She quietly is moved to a different role, resigns or is fired.

    2. She testifies, Elliot wins, and Goodell is fired or forced to resign himself.

    Arrest, try and convict Roger Goodell.
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    That is most likely wishful thinking at best. The only thing the court ruling will be based on is fairness. Denying Roberts testimony will be one aspect of that but it will not require her to testify under oath.

  77. TheVikingsHaveHowManySBTrophys? says:
    September 1, 2017 at 1:48 pm

    You can’t be serious mack. Yes the Ray Rice situation was muddled but that’s because the video was not available until AFTER the original opinion. The video changed everything. Since then when it comes to domestic violence, Roger has been solid. You can’t name another botched opinion regarding D.V. since the Rice deal. NONE !!
    Your a Cowboy fan, I understand the frustration, for real.
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    The Rice situation was muddled WAY before the video…

    Rice was arrested on Feb 15th.
    The video of Rice dragging Palmer out of the elevator was released on Feb 19th.
    The discipline hearing with Goodell was on June 16th
    The 2 game suspension came July 24th.
    The TMZ video showing he punched her was released on Sep 8th
    NFL denies seeing the TMZ video on Sep 9th
    On Sep 10th law enforcement claims video was sent to the NFL offices back in April.

    No matter how you look at this it’s messed up. The inability to procure the tape speaks volumes about the NFL investigators. Suspending a player without it speaks volumes about the commissioner. Either way there’s no logical reason to conclude the NFL got it right before or after seeing the tape.

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