Cleveland police refuse to participate in Browns’ national anthem

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Cleveland police officers had been preparing to hold a large American flag on the field while the national anthem was played before the Browns’ first regular-season game. Now they won’t, because some Browns kneeled during the anthem before preseason games.

Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association President Steve Loomis told cleveland.com that officers decided not to support the Browns because of both the players’ actions and the team’s response.

“When management allows you to do those things, then that’s on them,” Loomis said. “It’s hypocritical of the Browns management and ownership to want to have an armed forces first-responder day, and have us involved in it when they allow their players to take a knee during the national anthem. That’s the very representation of what we stand for. That’s why we aren’t going to.”

The Browns issued a statement saying they support both the anthem and the right of individuals to choose not to stand for the anthem.

211 responses to “Cleveland police refuse to participate in Browns’ national anthem

  1. Good for the police! Who do the ignorant players call when they need help? Transfer their 911 calls to a zoo, I couldn’t be happier that the police are taking a stand !

  2. IMHO…..
    The Cleveland police are just as wrong as the those taking a knee. While I agree with the protest of racism in America, I don’t agree with the way it’s being dealt with during the National Anthem. But, it’s still their right (like or not). Why punish everybody for the actions of a few exercising their right to free speech?

    Military Vet

  3. It is about time an organization from Cleveland got something right. More police departments should be doing this.

  4. Well its becoming more and more clear that cops in this country respect the flag more than the constitution so good riddens. The flag means NOTHING if you don’t uphold the freedoms its represents bestowed upon all Americans through our constitutional rights.

  5. US Flag Code §176 (C) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.

    So besides the one hanging on Fenway’s green monster, all these flags are breaking the Flag Code anyways.

  6. There is a little more to the story there if you read other articles on the subject. The Browns reached out to the EMS and Police union with some contrived, damage control request to have them on the field holding the flag. The police and EMS unions said “no.”

    This is not just about them disagreeing with the kneelers, this is about them not wanting to be used as pawns by hypocrites trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

    They are right, can’t have it both ways, Browns. As dumb as it seems, you can’t support people who are kneeling and then ask people who are offended by that to support you. It’s a shame that respecting our military and wanting racial equality have become conflicting messages, but this is the method of protest that was chosen to bring awareness and it has made things messy.

  7. Browns trying to have it both ways. Good for the police. Someone needs to take a “stand” for the anthem. Just about everyone could probably find some issue they feel so passionate about that they would like to bring attention to it, but not standing for the anthem shouldn’t be the action. We must show our love for our country even though we know nothing is perfect.

  8. Where are all the, “I’m in the armed forces and none of us care that Kaepernick took a knee” posters now?

    Wait a tick…it just dawned on me that maybe those posters were lying…

  9. I just retired after 21 glorious years of organized chaos. I take no offense to guys kneeling, sitting, whatever. Personally, I think it’s silly to play the anthem and/or unfurl the flag before SPORTING events. Nothing of national importance to justify it. I’m not sure how many other civilians do this before work, but I’ve never heard the Star-Spangled Banner before Staples opens. Just end it. Heck, guys on base avoid colors if they can, so when I see cops bellyaching over it I chuckle. No particular group has ownership or representation by the song or ensign, they belong to the citizenry. What individuals choose to do is their call. Read the flag code. Pretty sure everyone at some point has “disrespected” the flag or anthem unintentionally or intentionally at some point. Just stop this activity and play ball.

  10. The Left creates division because they uses it to sustain themselves and rationalize their own failings. The tragedy in Houston showed that Americans are all on the same “team” and will work together for the betterment of America if the biased MSMedia and race-dividers get out of the way.

  11. Free speech for everybody!!! If the police officers don’t want to participate in this, that is their right. If the players don’t want to stand for it and their employer is ok with that (because let’s face it if the Browns wanted to discipline their employees for this activity on company time, they likely could. Free speech rights are largely about citizens and the government not employees and employers. If doing so would be a wise choice in this case is a much, much tougher question. The NFL and its teams seem to be in a very tight spot here) then that is their right. Could this been seen as offensive and disrespectful by many ? Of course but there’s no constitutional ban on offending people or hate speech either. Really the only limits are on things that might cause immediate danger or if one is in a position to carry out a threat immediately. Is it the right of offended fans to put their money back in their pockets as far as tickets and merch purchases go ? Sure. People are also free to watch something else. I think the NFL’s real problem will come if the sponsors get engaged on this issue. So far little of that has happened

  12. It’s hypocritical of the Browns management and ownership to want to have an armed forces first-responder day, and have us involved in it when they allow their players to take a knee during the national anthem

    Well stated

  13. I wonder if the players would appreciate it if all the fans decided to protest their games and not show up because of the actions of a couple individual players like Ray Rice, NYG kicker Josh Brown, or Ezekiel Elliott (allegedly) and started a movement through peaceful protests that implied there is something majorly wrong with the NFL because of all the violence towards young helpless females? We have documented cases to prove it and there must be something wrong with anyone denying.

    I mean these are 3 cases that we know of, but we know there is even way more cases out there that never see the light of day. It’s clearly an issue and we just want justice for these young females and we need to save them from these nfl players who have clearly become monsters.

    Oh wait NFL players…. you wouldn’t like that would you? You don’t want yourself or your entire organization to be judged and lumped into a terrible category because of the bad actions of a few individuals. I would go as far as saying many of the black players would call it “racist” if Americans began thinking like this…. yet you have no problem at all doing it to our police departments.

  14. A group of about 100 law enforcement officers held a rally for Colin Kaepernick in Brooklyn on Saturday August 19 2017, according to NY1.

    The officers also invited New York City councilman Jumaane Williams to join them as they spoke about police brutality and other issues in the criminal justice system that unfairly target minorities.

    “The way he is being railroaded for speaking the obvious truth, this is not what America was founded on,” NYPD Sergeant Edwin Raymond said at the rally in a video from NY1. “Some may argue that what he’s doing is more American, because this country was actually founded on challenging injustice. As members of law enforcement, we can confirm that the issues that he is saying exist in policing and throughout the criminal justice system.”

  15. Cops: The biggest snowflakes out there. Any type of criticism (even when it’s completely constructive and true) and they cry like children. No wonder they like Trump so much.

    Maybe if they spent less time making enemies of everyone suggesting improvements, and more time self-reflecting and attempting to fix their issues, we wouldn’t have as many problems as we do in this country.

    But yeah, how dare those players kneel. They’re the bad guys, right?

  16. “It’s hypocritical of the Browns management and ownership to want to have an armed forces first-responder day, and have us involved in it when they allow their players to take a knee during the national anthem.”

    He’s right about that.

  17. “When management allows you to do those things, then that’s on them,” Loomis said. “It’s hypocritical of the Browns management and ownership to want to have an armed forces first-responder day, and have us involved in it when they allow their players to take a knee during the national anthem. That’s the very representation of what we stand for. That’s why we aren’t going to.”

    Nailed it!

    When viewership and ratings start falling, the owners need to look themselves in the mirror and say ‘we really screwed this up’.

  18. Oh man, why don’t they take the higher road and participate in the anthem? This is no different from Kaepernick kneeling and others protesting. They are all disrespecting the country and those who served in a different way I guess. You can’t be against one and not the other.

  19. EXCELLENT! These overpaid athletes need to know there are repercussions to their actions, what they think is the right thing to do. Next time someone breaks into their house and they call the police the cops should tell them to call someone else.

  20. Great job by the Cleveland police. All police and Veterans should tell the NFL to stick it if they ask them to participate in these pre-game ceremonies.
    Steve Loomis is exactly right. The NFL hasn’t had the backbone to stand up to these guys who are doing this, so the police should not participate in the pre-game ceremonies until they do.
    You reap what you sow in this world, and the NFL is finding that out.

  21. Oh, so it’s OK for the cops to be political, but players can’t express their own beliefs. To hell with them. Tamir Rice should be alive and headed to school, but at 12, he was gunned down in their city. Same city that allowed cops to fire nearly 150 rounds into a car, killing occupants. Nobody was held accountable.

    It’s their right to not participate. They won’t be missed.

  22. “The kneeling footballers hate America”
    “The cops are sensitive snowflakes.”

    There. That’s both sides covered. Feel free to close the thread.

  23. They players have every right in the world to protest but that doesn’t mean there won’t be repercussions. The officers have the right in the world to let them know how they feel about the players protest. Thats how it works.

  24. But management also has the right to tell the players not to protest during company time or on company facilities. They could simply tell anyone who wants to take a knee to stay in the locker room during the anthem.
    But I think the Cleveland Police are losing an opportunity to show the protesters where they stand (or kneel). I would have done everything in my power to make the anthem celebration an exciting, raucous, and prolonged event so the protesters would have to kneel extra long among a multitude of people cheering and clapping for the flag and country.

  25. All this exercising of our rights brings tears to my eyes. Players have the right to sit, kneel, stand, or do push-ups during the anthem. Police officers have the right to refuse to participate in a commemoration of first responders before the first home game. I have a right to care very little what either of these groups are doing. Just play football, police the community, and fight fires when called upon.

    Ironic though. Players kneeling during the anthem are demonstrating exactly what that flag stands for; Freedom.

  26. Cool. It would have taken a whole lot of cops to hold the flag, and every one of them would have been on the pay clock. Seriously.

    Maybe the Browns can donate the five grand in detail pay they saved to kids with special needs.

  27. It’s not hypocritical. It’s about exercising your rights as a US citizen.
    You exercise your rights to not participate.
    They exercise their rights to not participate.

    Where’s the problem?

  28. So the police officers are now boycotting the anthem as well, only in protest of the football players. What makes either one of them right?

  29. I salute & cheer the Cleveland Police! There is much mis-information out there about Constitutional Rights. We all know that being allowed to make millions of Dollars…playing a Game You Love, is a Privilege not a Right. The Freedom of Speech Right only comes into play when a Government Entity in some way diminishes that Right. I simply agree with those, even many Players…who say: Yes, express what/how You feel…just don’t do it on the Field, as a Professional Representative of the Cleveland Browns.

  30. Our military vets didn’t fight for a red, white, and blue piece of cloth.

    They fought for ideals that that cloth represents.

    Those ideals include our freedom of speech.

    Whether or not you agree with a player that kneels in protest really makes no difference at all. He is simply executing his rights as an American… THAT is what our vets fight, and sacrifice for!

    Anyone that thinks that these players shouldn’t be allowed to express their thoughts is cheapening what our soldiers die for. That is a shame!

    Now, these cops have every right to decide to not participate in the anthem…but it certainly makes them look like whiner-babies that don’t understand the depth of American Ideals.
    It is an extremely shallow stance.
    Our relatives sacrificed all to preserve our rights as Americans.
    For some people to feel that they should be the ones to decide which rights can be used by whom, and which causes are worthy, is pitiful, and as unamerican as it gets!

    Exercising our rights isn’t meant to be a comfortable, politically correct, mellow experience. It takes guts to stand against the crowd.
    Agree or disagree with peaceful protesters…it shouldn’t factor in to the equation.
    But, to respect their freedom to make their views known is what America is about, and is what that piece of cloth represents.

  31. You will be missed. I know that’s why I pay my money to go to NFL games, yeah, to watch people who are supposed to be protecting the city hold up a prop during a sporting event.

  32. “when they allow their players to take a knee during the national anthem”

    Get bent Barney Fife. This isn’t Russia and you can’t force a player to salute the flag commie.

  33. Good for the police, I don’t blame them. Don’t forget countless black people have shed blood, lost limbs and lost lives for this country. When you disrespect and spit on the AMERICAN flag-you spit on them also. Many of us have issues with our country but we don’t disrespect the flag………..

  34. Obama and his Socialist friends both here and abroad are doing their best to tear apart this country. If you believe their false narrative that all police are racist & all blacks are oppressed, that makes you a uniformed American. Educate yourselves.

  35. Good. This is the way free speech works people. You don’t need to condemn sides and tell one side to “love it or leave it.” Let both protest peacefully! That’s how conversations move forward and what the founding fathers envisioned.

  36. Thank you to the police, fire and EMS, and to anyone else who serves or puts their lives at stake to keep us safe.

  37. Once the NFL starts to lose some high value sponsorships over this, we will see Goodell forced to make a decision. NFL cannot be allowed to lose money……EVER!!!!

  38. Doing whatever the Eff you want to do during the Nat’l. Anthem is a constitutional right.
    You could lay down a mean game of 3-card monte if you want while the bombs are bursting in mid-air. We fought, bled and died for those rights, over and over and over again.
    Police have a job to do and criminals have a job to do. Everyone should be sure to do their jobs.
    End of story.

  39. Cleveland police spokeswoman Sgt. Jennifer Ciaccia told the HuffPost that the police department is not boycotting the Browns and that the union “does not speak for” the department.

  40. Ironic, since the whole protest is about rouge policemen! At the end of the day; people need to get on with understanding that our constitution protects peaceful protest for EVERYONE and stop being so damned self-righteous! What really matters is, let’s say a president is in bed with the biggest communist regime in history! That would be something to get angry about, not someone peacefully exercising their rights! At the end of the day; the flag doesn’t need to be unfurled in some billionaire’s stadium that he’s likely ripping the taxpayers off for anyway!

  41. You would think that the police would also “stand for” free speech and free expression, but I suppose not in the current climate that we live in. ‘Merica!

  42. I guess this is an expected answer to the protest using the NFL and National Anthem as the stage.

    Im no officer but I think that this only further fuels the cause. I would want to be there and help with the event as it is about a tribute to America, to those who fought for the freedom(s) these young men are using, and those who died fighting for this very freedom. I would be there proudly. I would want to end this stigma that is plaguing this country. It starts as a personal choice. I guess Im saying I would be different. I would show that even though you are doing something that in my opinion disrespects what I stand for…I wont go to that level. I will rise above it. God Bless America!!!

  43. Patriotism is a wonderful thing and I think everyone should stand for the national anthem.

    However, forcing people to stand for the national anthem is not patriotism…

  44. OK, I get what the’re saying but how does stooping to the level of the kneelers help? Here is a chance to prove that you will show up and peacefully stand up against those who focus only on what they perceive to be the the negative aspects of this country.

    This was a chance to show the kneelers that you’re better. Missed opportunity.

  45. I applaud this decision.

    I think that if all the squatting protestors would do what JJ Watt and the three football players did with North Nashville and their pizza shop, athletes would gain some respect for their activities.

    Until then, anthem squatters need to be rebuked and fired.

  46. As a retired public servant, I am extremely disappointed with the actions of the Cleveland Police department. We are the role models for others to follow. By boycotting the national anthem field activities, it damages “The Shield” for what it stands for. If the Cleveland Police officers would like to make a political statement, they remove their union president who supports a bigot President. Now that showing patriotism at it’s finest.

  47. The owners should be able to control their working environment. The players are, after all, employees. No political activity while working, using the employers resources, or on employers property. Outside of that, go for it. My opinion, if you engage in political activity such as is happening now, security should escort you back to the locker room and you do not play that game. New contracts should be written to enforce that, NFLPA be damned. Anyone else on here working have the right to leave your job, protest and be paid for it or not lose their job? Feel free to weigh in!

  48. Browns issued a statement saying they support right of individuals to choose not to stand for the anthem.
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    When players take a knee or whatever, they aren’t merely “not standing” (i.e. just sat quietly or not involved) they are actively striking a pose for camera in their typically narcissistic diva-like narrow-minded fashion to snub the feelings of others.

  49. If the Association doesn’t want to participate, that’s their prerogative. But for this Loomis guy to suggest that the Browns organization shouldn’t “allow” team members to kneel during the anthem shows a stunning lack of understanding of individual rights and real patriotism..

    Standing at attention during the national anthem, wearing flag pins, all that stuff is not patriotism, it’s a show of patriotism, and to say that an employer should force its employees to participate in that is not patriotic at all. It’s not real if the player is being forced to participate. That’s Kim Jong Un stuff.

  50. Seems kind of petty to me. It’s the players right to peacefully protest if they choose, just as much as its the job of the police to enforce and protect those very rights rights. If anything, the police continuing to support the NFL in the pre-game amidst the protests will show more character, leadership and continuity, than declining to attend. Hope this ends soon, but i fear it wont.

  51. Another example that actions have consequences. If more took stands like the Cleveland PD, then many may think twice about their actions in advance.

  52. We ALL SHOULD honor the the brave who have sacrificed their time,and lives , BY STANDING FOR OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM, AND FLAG
    THANKS TO ALL WHO HAVE SERVED

  53. What a disgrace. The policeman are mad and they’re taking it out on our military? Not participating in a flag ceremony shows disrespect to our men and women who are overseas protecting us, and all our veterans. Shame on them. I’d fire them all. Ronald Reagan would.

  54. creflowdollars says:

    I love how people in a country that allegedly loves God so much are mad that players PRAYED during the anthem.
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    Because we know why they chose to “pray” (for PR purposes) during the anthem, and not before or after.

  55. The Browns can hire some rent-a-cops or otherwise cast out police officers to participate. That is basically what they do with the caliber of NFL players they trot onto the field.

  56. GOOD FOR THEM, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE MILITARY WALK OFF THE FIELD ALSO BUT THEY HAVE MORE RESPECT THAN TO DO THAT.

  57. Our military fought for our rights to make our own choices. If you want this country to mandate flag appreciation, move to North Korea. People have the right to speak their minds. That’s what makes us a free country.

  58. There is no right and there is no wrong. We have two groups of people butting heads like two year olds fighting over a toy. Do what any parent would do – take the toy away. The NFL should just have the anthem with the players in the locker room. If you watched the wired portions of the NFL, then you know they are talking, joking, and doing about anything other than be respectful, for the most part. Not all, but most. For those that wish to participate in the National Anthem let them come out and do it, for those that want to talk, kneel, sit or do something else, then just take that opportunity to give the NFL a black eye away from them. It seems the NFL isn’t that smart. They make a stink about player behavior and giving the NFL a black eye and this anthem thing has gotten more press and a bigger black eye than anything since Aaron Hernandez. The anthem is for those in the stands, not the players and let’s put an end to this by making an adult decision to just have the anthem with the players in the locker room and go back to football.

  59. What an awesome response! I love the people who say the police are being petty. How can you say players are exercising their right, but then argue that police can’t do the EXACT SAME THING? If you can’t argue for the police departments rights as equal with the players then you are irrational, illogical and small-minded. It’s scary how many people want their opinion to stand on shifting sand. Right and wrong change with the seasons to some folks. They just want right and wrong to change with their ever changing opinion. Here’s an idea. How about we support the police and make their jobs easier?

  60. There are plenty of issues that need to be resolved in the U.S., but it’s still the best country in the world to live in. Ask some illegal immigrants why they don’t want to go back to their country. And besides that, entertainment (the NFL, etc.) should not be political. To those who choose to kneel during the National Anthem: Move to another country, and pronto.

  61. I’ve been in the Navy for almost 9 years now. The comment above saying that even military personnel dodge colors so they don’t have to stand outside for the anthem and salute the flag made me laugh because it’s so true.

    Every day after quarters like clockwork everyone would run inside the skin of the ship to not have stand and salute the flag. It wasn’t just the low ranking people either. Officers were doing the same thing. High ranking officers can be seen playing games or talking on their phones while just outside the door the anthem is being played. So before you make false claims about who these players kneeling are disrespecting realize that military personnel disrespect the flag more ways than one on a DAILY basis not just during the 14-16 NFL games played a week.

  62. I’m sure everyone will be staying home now and not going to the game, since I’m sure seeing a flag unfurled is what people were truly paying to say

  63. Mr Loomis and his fellow officers early in their adult lives did CHOOSE to become police officers correct??? No one forced them to join the Cleveland PD? It’s the players rights to stage peaceful protests. If it’s been noted that players should get “real” jobs when they don’t like their salary, etc, the exact same logic can be used with any PD. If they don’t like simple peaceful protests, some criticisms of how they perform their jobs very much in public view, Get Another Job.

  64. Heck, guys on base avoid colors if they can, so when I see cops bellyaching over it I chuckle.

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    Not most “guys”, get off your high horse, you think you have everybody figured out! Let’s remember the kneelers are really supporting a “guy” that hates Police and support Castro…how many “guy” on base do that?

  65. Seriously I don’t know what’s worst kaep not voting or the police protesting the player protest by protesting the same thing that made them upset in the first place lmao!

  66. Bravo to the police and emergency responders of Cleveland!!! If the players believe they have the right to free speech on their employers time, and the employer supports that, then the police and emergency responders have just as much right to their free speech. No double standards here. This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous.

  67. I’m surprised, since the NFL usually makes the Department of Defense pay (500 million) for the NFL’s salute to the military.

    I would not be surprised if the police were required to pay for front row seats.

  68. Not that anybody cares what I think but to me, this is the only way to make people truly see the protest… to get people actually thinking about what is wrong in the USA… BUT at the same time, these guys aren’t protesting the flag.. they aren’t protesting the national anthem… they are protesting DURING the national anthem in order to get people’s heads out of their arses and finally say “racism is WRONG”… and one more thing…
    All the amazing service men and women… isn’t this “freedom of speech” and “right to protest” exactly what they are fighting for??? God bless the soldiers. God bless the good policemen out there, because we all know there are a lot of them, but they should stand up and say when a fellow officer is wrong, as well. They aren’t “standing by their brothers”, they are condoning wrong doing by not saying anything, which, in the end, is just as bad.

  69. ubb44 says:
    September 3, 2017 at 6:47 am
    Good. America is getting sick of spoiled millionaire athletes whining about how rough they have it.

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    Comments like this show how ignorant some people are…”Millionaire athletes ” aren’t protesting their income…it’s about the way minorities are treated by law enforcement in this country…try being harassed by the police yourself and actually having to worry that being innocent isn’t enough to be safe around some of these police officers…people want to call these players out but don’t even know what is really going on…I have seen firsthand what some of these police officers are capable of and if it happened to you, you would feel a whole lot different about the situation…

  70. I guess the Cleveland Police on respect certain rights guaranteed by the Constitution. The first amendment isn’t one of them.

  71. Hopefully all of these politics that have been complicating sports lately drives the leagues to focus solely on the onfield product and take all of these time fillers away from the game. Just play music in between whistles and leave the social issues and tributes out of it.

  72. Do any of these athletes realize they are impacting interest in the NFL, both at the stadiums and on TV? Have they thought about the leverage they are providing the owners for the next CBA negotiations? I doubt declining viewership is going to be much of a bargaining chip for players.

  73. An anthem protest?!?!?!? How dare they disrespect the flag and those who fought for the freedom it represents!?!?!?!?!?! LOL, hypocrites.

    So I have this straight- disrespecting the flag is OK if you don’t do it first?

  74. So now the police are disrespecting the flag. I guess they will be sitting at home on their couches while the anthem is going on. Hypocrites.

  75. Time for Goodell to have the national anthem played while the players are in the locker room. Disarm these clowns. Which by the way only add up to about 1% of NFL players.

    Or

    How about the media/TV cameras focus on the 99% that stand for the anthem?

  76. To all of these posters that are claiming that the players have the right to demonstrate by kneeling DURING their job. Why don’t all of you who have said they have the right try to protest something at your work while you are on the clock. You may not like the outcome. I’m not against the message but do it on YOUR time not the company’s time.

  77. “The players cash in on what America has given them”.

    This opinion is so ridiculous. America hasn’t “given” the players anything, anymore than France, Great Britain, or Germany has “given” soccer players millions of dollars.

  78. bigswifty74 says:

    Our military fought for our rights to make our own choices. If you want this country to mandate flag appreciation, move to North Korea. People have the right to speak their minds. That’s what makes us a free country.
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    No one wants to “country” to mandate it. But employers can. The NBA does.

  79. Gosh everybody needs to grow up.

    It blows to know that to the majority of Americans, I fought AGAINST the 1st Amendment in Desert Storm. (I mean, I know I didn’t fight for a single American freedom there, but that is the go to cliche…)

    Most y’all didn’t deserve my service.

  80. To the military members who run and hide during the anthem; you are an embarrassment to your service and your country. You do not represent me or any other military veteran who’s proudly served this great nation. The next time you see a vet with no legs or meet a parent who lost their child in a war, be sure to tell them how putting down your phone and standing at attention for a couple of minutes to recognize their sacrifices is too much of an inconvenience. Don’t worry, your game of Candy Crush will still be there when the anthem is over, Cupcake. I feel sorry for the younger troops who watch you disrespect the flag and think it’s ok. Get out of my military before you do more damage.

  81. The national anthem is not owned by the military or any police force. It is a song for the country.

    To those “offended” by the players actions, why are you not upset about the political action bring displayed by sporting events. You cannot have it both ways.

  82. “What an awesome response! I love the people who say the police are being petty. How can you say players are exercising their right, but then argue that police can’t do the EXACT SAME THING?”

    They players are protesting to bring more attention to the larger issue of institutionalized racism in our country, in front of a large audience.

    The police are protesting because, according to their statement, players are being “allowed” to exercise their rights to protest. They are protesting management either not forcing players to stand during the anthem or firing players who do.

    So while both sides certainly have the right to do what they’re doing, these reasons don’t really seem all that equivalent.

    “Why don’t all of you who have said they have the right try to protest something at your work while you are on the clock. You may not like the outcome. I’m not against the message but do it on YOUR time not the company’s time.”

    I imagine if more jobs had mandatory public displays of patriotism, there’d be a lot more of this kind of protesting.

  83. You can blame all of this on Roger Goodell. He had the opportunity to shut this whole thing down as soon as it started. The threat of a big fine and suspension for anyone who did not stand respectfully for the National Anthem would have stopped it right away. The players freedom of expression can be exercised on players private time, not while on NFL/team time.

    Instead, Roger went into hiding under his desk.

  84. contender21open says:
    September 3, 2017 at 6:34 am
    IMHO…..
    The Cleveland police are just as wrong as the those taking a knee. While I agree with the protest of racism in America, I don’t agree with the way it’s being dealt with during the National Anthem. But, it’s still their right (like or not). Why punish everybody for the actions of a few exercising their right to free speech?

    Military Vet

    Ummmm…so one side has freedom of speech and the other doesn’t? Nice double standard. I see you are one of those who feel that freedom of speech does not include the freedom of others to express their views if they run counter to them. Too damn funny.

  85. Of course we depend on the thin blue line for protection. And of course we know that police put their lives on the line every time they pin the badge to their uniforms and go to work.

    But in this particular situation, When the police protest the protesters, they’re basically saying they’re okay with all of the wrongs that are being protested. In my opinion, it’s not a good look. And I have a brother in law who is a cop, and who *agrees* with me. Sorry hardliners.

  86. I love the police/military folks that claim to fight to preserve our rights and then get so sad when we try to use those rights. What a crock! Grow up and accept that you only get to choose your own opinion (not everyone’s). We PAY you to do a job, not choose when and how we’re allowed to exercise our rights.

  87. Truth be Told:…

    “A group of about 100 law enforcement officers held a rally for Colin Kaepernick in Brooklyn on Saturday August 19 2017, according to NY1.

    The officers also invited New York City councilman Jumaane Williams to join them as they spoke about police brutality and other issues in the criminal justice system that unfairly target minorities.

    “The way he is being railroaded for speaking the obvious truth, this is not what America was founded on,” NYPD Sergeant Edwin Raymond said at the rally in a video from NY1. “Some may argue that what he’s doing is more American, because this country was actually founded on challenging injustice. As members of law enforcement, we can confirm that the issues that he is saying exist in policing and throughout the criminal justice system.”

    In times of Universal deceit telling the truth will become a revolutionary act!” George Orwell

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  89. The NFL uses police and the military to market their product. Plain and simple. If it wasn’t good for the NFL $, you wouldn’t see the police and military on the field in pre-game. Any other reason is a lie. If they do want to be there, fine, stay off the field! Nobody is there to see the cops.

  90. Our society is now being run by “Double Think” And Double Speak”.. if you don’t know what they mean.. look it up.. It is right in your face.. Critical thinking is wasted on 99% of the people.. THe only way to save America is for the 1% to have the courage to continue to speak out no matter how many “slings and arrows”.. In the end it is not about the NFL surviving, but history will record, “give the people the truth and the freedom to express the truth and all will be well….” Kap will never go down in history as a great NFL player, however, history should record his stance on exercising his free will Constitutional right to speak out.. I think the so called powers that be fear this above all.. AmericAwake!!!

  91. It figures police would be opposed to Free Speech. I guess it’s OK for 2-3,000 drunk idiots in the stands that don’t have enough respect for the flag to even remove their baseball caps or stop talking.

  92. To all the people who’s shallow opinions say, we should protest on our own time not at work.. Are you saying that the Constitution is not in effect within working hours? The First Amendment is suspended during working hours? However, a employer/Government has the Constitution 24/7 to spew the company line? WOW.. This is why the Revolution was fought.. For “we the people”. We see a wrong we have the right to speak out period.. At work. at play.. I know is hard for some to get their brain wrapped around this one! WE are not robots/slaves… How do you think we got unions in the work place? Because employers were treating the workers respectful and fairly??? Did the workers not protest? When Kap signed his NFL contract, did he give up his constitutional right to free speech? I don’t think so.. Think America Think!!!

  93. patjvike says:
    September 3, 2017 at 1:17 pm
    Truth be Told:…

    “A group of about 100 law enforcement officers held a rally for Colin Kaepernick in Brooklyn on Saturday August 19 2017, according to NY1.

    The officers also invited New York City councilman Jumaane Williams to join them as they spoke about police brutality and other issues in the criminal justice system that unfairly target minorities.

    “The way he is being railroaded for speaking the obvious truth, this is not what America was founded on,” NYPD Sergeant Edwin Raymond said at the rally in a video from NY1. “Some may argue that what he’s doing is more American, because this country was actually founded on challenging injustice. As members of law enforcement, we can confirm that the issues that he is saying exist in policing and throughout the criminal justice system.”

    In times of Universal deceit telling the truth will become a revolutionary act!” George Orwell

    I agree with Orwelll to a point but I suppose that depends on what you consider to be the truth. It’s about the way he did it with pig socks and castro shirts, not about his right to speak. By your logic, anything that I consider unjust is fair game for anything I want to say in return with no responsibility or fear of repercussion? That is a child’s notion of the right to free speech.

  94. Anthem and standing for it is a nice tradition. These few players r trying to tear that down. Keep the tradition what it is and don’t plaster it with your bad tidings. Express yourself in another venue. You have immense freedoms. Immense. Please and thx. -vet who is there bc he appreciates the people and their gratitude

  95. It is disrespectful to our flag and our country along with its veterans not to stand for the National anthem. If these people want to express their activist views, then kindly find another venue to do it in and not on the football field. Good for the Cleveland Police Department as they are standing up for what is right.

  96. I wonder what the Las Vegas odds are on the NFL continuing to lose market share this season? After all JD Power and Associates polled the number one reason for fan apathy and sagging NFL ratings? Disrespect of the country and flag by the sports media and players…People have the right to feel how they want to, but it is obvious in the market numbers the ones that recoil to injecting politics in football are the ones that are finding other ways to entertain themselves. And, in conjunction, revenue will continue to erode if instances like this are common fold this season , akin to last season. Maybe not at the stadiums, but certainly in the TV market

    Less fans watching…less TV revenue from the networks upon negotiation….Its a hell of a price to be politically correct. Just ask Target

  97. Not wading in to the right or the wrong with this, but I LOVE the people who support Kaep, not supporting the cops. It’s pretty hypocritical to think that Kaep can protest and people defend his right to protest, and then get butt hurt when the cops protest right back. You can’t support Kaep and not support the cops. You just can’t. And you can’t support the cops and not support kaep… but people will still pick and choose which is ok for them and which isnt

  98. The Cleveland PD’s reasoning is very sound and no one here has logically and rationally refuted it. How can an organization support people that protest police ask police to support their organization? No one has answered it correctly because it cannot be coherently correctly answered due to the law of non-contradiction. Everyone is saying its about disrespecting the flag, but take that portion away and it what it is about is law enforcement officers. NO ONE can refute their protest and support the players at the same time. It’s impossible.

  99. All I see is whining and crying on both sides. I don’t care what your stance is. The players have the right to kneel, and the cops have their rights to do what they choose as well. If you TRULY believe in freedom, you want it for all sides. Everyone needs to stop whining already.

  100. People often forget the pig socks in the narrative and that police deaths went up 40% after this protest and others decrying the police as being racist and murderers.

  101. captainwhodat says:
    September 3, 2017 at 9:19 am
    …can the Browns get anything right?
    ——————————————————————————–

    I’ve been a browns fan for 44 years….the answer is no.

  102. “The Cleveland PD’s reasoning is very sound and no one here has logically and rationally refuted it.”

    The police are protesting that management is allowing players to protest. Their stated protest is because NFL/team management is not forcing a small group of players to stand for the anthem.

    Their statement is that the Browns are hypocritical to support the armed forces while not forcing players to take part in the ceremony? Why exactly is that hypocritical? Why is it more hypocritical than the police not taking part in the anthem ceremony to protest that a small group of players are not taking part in the anthem ceremony?

    So I agree that the police certainly have the right to protest, while also thinking that the protest isn’t particularly coherent.

  103. I feel sorry for the people who say the kneeling is because of “activist views”…. it’s a pretty pathetic state that our country is in if the racism and minority targeting by, not all, but enough police officers isn’t blatantly obvious. It needs to be on a stage for everybody to see. It needs to be known to people that what is going on is bulls**t and needs to stop. What we need is for the police officers that know it’s wrong to step up and say so as opposed to “supporting their brothers”….. if they stepped up and opposed these bad cops, maybe we could be on the right path to getting those bad cops out of this profession. We depend on the police to protect us… it’s hard for the so many good cops that are out there to do this if they don’t start outing the bad ones.

  104. Jerry Jones said it right, if you want to Kneel, play for someone else! meaning: As employer, don’t use my organization to grandstand or use as a stage for your personal beliefs or protests. For the individuals posting and calling cops snowflakes it must be nice to sit there and text safely on your computers or phones you’re delusional comments, as “snowflakes” are out there 24/7 providing you a safe environment to do so. I wonder how safe and secure you would feel if there were no police at all. I bet you wouldn’t even have your little phones or computers still in your possession, to post your ridiculous thoughts.

  105. What is it with these multi-millionaire players/people??? Does’nt anyone of their races object?? NO!
    Well I do. and in the terms of the show “the Apprentice” DJT show___as far as I am concerned “your’re Fired”. Either respect YOUR national anthem or get the hell out.

  106. Years ago it was all about truth, justice and the American way. We as children had hero’s. Roy Rodges, Gene Autry, Superman, Army,Navy, Air Force, Marines other service memebers, Presidents, Athletes. Many others whom we looked up to because no matter what our race, beliefs or any other strong feelings we had WE were ALL AMERICANS. People who immigrated from other countries all boasted of becoming an American. Since then Jealously, hatred and other non human feelings became forefront. It did not matter if you were Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran….WE ALL went to church. In WWII people in the United States became together and were proud of our Heritage. But because we did not want any one discriminated against we allowed others who wanted their religion and culture to take its share of what America stood for. We became a melting pot, but in the process people became jealous over one culture, one race to have its rights. However, those rights overthrew what America was all about. If we as Americans would travel and live in another country or culture we would not have the freedom that those have had in America. We fought the British and won our Independence. All that became what is what Besty Ross did when the first American Flag was born. Francis Scott Key penned the Star Spangled Banner Anthem. We were one with God. And now we allow others like Muslims, Buddism, and others including Athesits to live together with us. So why are we fighting each other. BEcause WE are jealous and want our share. Well look at it folks and see the share some are getting now, in all races and religions in the USA. But do we help our fellow citizens out, even those of our own choice of living and race? NO! We want it all for ouselves. So I firmly believe that no matter what race you are and religion you are, be proud that you have made it here in the USA and don’t flaunt it. BE humble and be sure to remember who gave it to you and be thankful for being able to live in such a GREAT and Powerful nation~!!

  107. What would happen to most people if they protested at work? What would happen if you disobeyed compaNy policy, violated a written rule? Most all places of employment have some sort of repercussion about bringing negative feedback or publicity to the company. So most employee’s know what t/he consequence would be and refrain from violating company rules and follow them. It seems to me the Browns need to have a similar policy if the.y already don’t and they should enforce that policy. These players that are using their employer for personal gain and bringing negative publicity to the team should be held accountable. I know in the past they exercised their right to fine or release players they deemed to have brought negative publicity to the team for DUI’S and such so where are the consequences for protesting. Do your protesting on their own time and the Browns need to get tough kinda like the Cowboys have done.

  108. Um, no Ron Higgins….

    “Either respect YOUR national anthem or get the hell out.”

    Funny,but I bet you think this sentiment makes you a true American. A true Patriot.

    If you were actually a true American, a true Patriot, you would never tell people how to think, or feel, or what THEY should hold sacred.

    The fact that we have freedoms, means that we DON’T have to stand during the anthem. The anthem is a symbol. Nothing more. The flag is a symbol. Nothing more. The freedoms are what really matter. Veterans didn’t fight for the anthem or the flag. They fought for freedoms.

    Being an American means YOU get to choose what you hold sacred. No matter what anyone else says.

  109. patjvike says:
    September 3, 2017 at 2:22 pm
    To all the people who’s shallow opinions say, we should protest on our own time not at work.. Are you saying that the Constitution is not in effect within working hours? The First Amendment is suspended during working hours?

    Yes it is, example, try bringing your gun to work at the airport. Is this a violation of your 2nd Amendment rights? It’s astounding how simplistic a view so many have about the Constitution. Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically these categories: obscenity, fighting words, fraudulent misrepresentation, advocacy of imminent lawless behavior, and defamation. Threats are also treated as unprotected speech because they constitute intimidation.

    So please, let’s not waste anyone’s time with more comments about free speech under all conditions. That shows a complete lack of understanding of the Constitution and BoR.

  110. I’m tired of hearing police views on this and other issues, Their job is to enforce the law, not to push their personal bias. I don’t care if they don’t want to carry the flag. If they’re not providing security at the stadium, they have no reason to be there.

  111. I spent 6 years in the Army protecting the right of those people to kneel if they want, and the right of those Police to say no thanks if they want. I’m satisfied.

  112. patjvike says:
    September 3, 2017 at 2:22 pm
    To all the people who’s shallow opinions say, we should protest on our own time not at work.. Are you saying that the Constitution is not in effect within working hours? The First Amendment is suspended during working hours?

    Yes it is, example, try bringing your gun to work at the airport. Is this a violation of your 2nd Amendment rights? It’s astounding how simplistic a view so many have about the Constitution. Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically these categories: obscenity, fighting words, fraudulent misrepresentation, advocacy of imminent lawless behavior, and defamation. Threats are also treated as unprotected speech because they constitute intimidation.

    So please, let’s not waste anyone’s time with more comments about free speech under all conditions. That shows a complete lack of understanding of the Constitution and BoR.

    _______________________________________________

    You absolutely have the right to free speech at work. Your boss absolutely has the right to fire you for it. You absolutely have the right to sue the company for his actions. Your opinion seems pretty shallow to me. Free speech doesn’t mean no repercussions. But it’s speech that is still allowed.

  113. Players kneel during the anthem as a way to advocate against excessive use of force by police against minorities.

    Cops take offense to this.

    Shouldn’t they be agreeing? Isn’t something like this essentially tacit support for excessive use of force, even when they entirely change the meaning of whats being done, disingenuously?

  114. LakefrontLegend says:

    September 3, 2017 at 7:11 am

    That’s fine, there are millions of others who’d be willing to hold the flag at games. Let the cops have their safe space.
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    hmmmm…and there are not millions of other kids who would be more than willing and capable of being a 3rd or 4th string QB at games, so let crapernick have his safe space as well!

  115. standing up for the national anthem is a beautiful thing. It’s a privilege. Those who “protest” against it, don’t realize until they lose it. Or maybe they never knew what the national anthem is about.

  116. I couldn’t agree more with tindeaux above! Standing for the national anthem is a beautiful thing and a privilege and so is living in this country! And when you sit squat kneel or anything else other than stand for it then you’re delivering a direct slap in the face to all who have served and died for this country and made it possible for you to live here in it! Not to mention a disgrace to the families who lost their loved one that paid that ultimate price so that these spoiled dorks who’ve never had to work a day in their lives BECAUSE they live in a country that allows them to play a game for millions of dollars because of these freedoms, want to take so lightly. Pick up a weapon and stand a post or serve in a forward area then tell me how you can kneel for this. It disgusting!

    And yes, I’m a veteran of Dessert Storm!

  117. I have read so many views on this subject and the only one that stood out to me, and in my opinion is the best comment out there:

    campcouch says:

    September 3, 2017 at 7:06 am

    I just retired after 21 glorious years of organized chaos. I take no offense to guys kneeling, sitting, whatever. Personally, I think it’s silly to play the anthem and/or unfurl the flag before SPORTING events. Nothing of national importance to justify it. I’m not sure how many other civilians do this before work, but I’ve never heard the Star-Spangled Banner before Staples opens. Just end it. Heck, guys on base avoid colors if they can, so when I see cops bellyaching over it I chuckle. No particular group has ownership or representation by the song or ensign, they belong to the citizenry. What individuals choose to do is their call. Read the flag code. Pretty sure everyone at some point has “disrespected” the flag or anthem unintentionally or intentionally at some point. Just stop this activity and play ball.

    And that, people, is the truth of the matter.

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