At 40, Tom Brady is not acting his age

AP

When Patriots quarterback Tom Brady put up 447 passing yards yesterday against the Saints, it represented a new all-time high, the most yards ever for a quarterback 40 or older. And that will almost certainly not be the only age-specific record Brady breaks.

Brady is currently leading the league in passing yards, and if he leads the league for the entire season he’ll be the oldest player ever to do so, eclipsing Fran Tarkenton, who led the league in 1978 at the age of 38.

And with 714 yards this year, Brady is on pace for a whopping 5,712 yards on the season. Obviously, he’s unlikely to keep that pace up for 16 games, seeing as no player in NFL history has ever even had 5,500 passing yards in a season, but if Brady keeps up to anything even close to that pace he’ll easily break the record for a 40-year-old quarterback. Brett Favre had 4,202 yards in 2009 at age 40, and no other 40-year-old quarterback has ever topped 4,000 yards in a season.

Brady will get old eventually, because everyone does. But while 40 is typically ancient by NFL player standards, Brady is not acting his age.

134 responses to “At 40, Tom Brady is not acting his age

  1. Member last week when everyone started the “he’s done” stuff for the millionth time in the last 5 years?

    I member.

    Gonna be hilarious when one of these “he’s done” people say it for the 20th time and they pat themselves on the back for being right when he actually is done.

    =)

  2. From most accounts the Saints defense has been bolstered in the off-season, and is supposed to be much improved over last year.

    If that is true they must have been truly horrible last year.

  3. James Harrison get “randomly” tested 5 times in one year for PEDs, passes every time.
    40 year old Tom Brady plays like he’s still 25, I wonder how many times he’s been “randomly” tested. Not saying he’s using, I hope that he’s not.
    Just would like to think the “random” testing was actually fair to all.

  4. Brady also corrected 2 incorrect calls made on the field by the officials. I can totally understand how that must have cheesed off the home crowd. Replay showed Brady was correct both times.

    I have to say that Tony Romo has great TV personality. First time in a long time I feel that I can say that a commentator added to the game experience. Bravo Tony. Keep it up.

  5. There is a great YouTube video of Brady walking back to the team bus after SB LI. Just six minutes of hallways filled with stunned bystanders muttering “great game, sir.” At this point you either get it or you never will.

  6. .

    Brady will get old eventually, because everyone does.”

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    In reality you’re correct. However, in a football context, I don’t think Brady will let that happen. He doesn’t want his legacy tarnished by a season where he’s non competitive. He’d retire on his own terms first.
    .

  7. Even against KC there were times in the game where Brady looked like he couldn’t be stopped. Once they get it really rolling it could be really hard to stop them. Defense played ok. Stopped the run… limited the big plays. Allowed too many yards and points, but much of that was in garbage time, which was most of the game.

  8. “father time”

    We just kept hearing and reading about it, for this wishful thinking delusional line of thought by trolls.

    We just kept hearing about it. Where is it?

  9. That miserable Brady. Ruining the hopes of all the small minded haters out there who are sure he “is done for good” after each occasional Patriot loss, and often after each win.

    Lolz

  10. factschecker says:
    September 18, 2017 at 9:45 am
    Brady also corrected 2 incorrect calls made on the field by the officials. I can totally understand how that must have cheesed off the home crowd. Replay showed Brady was correct both times.

    I have to say that Tony Romo has great TV personality. First time in a long time I feel that I can say that a commentator added to the game experience. Bravo Tony. Keep it up.

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    Well, when you’re so used to Goodell telling refs to try to cheat the Pats during games like that, you’re accustomed to being incredulous, while on-guard, ready for shenanigans ordered by Goodell from 345 Park Ave.

    Ratings aren’t plunging by accident. Fans have had enough.

  11. The only real question regarding this year is when will he run out of guys to throw to? The fact the Pats had three WR’s on the active roster only means those guys will take even more hits raising the likelihood they don’t last long.

  12. factschecker says:
    September 18, 2017 at 9:45 am
    Brady also corrected 2 incorrect calls made on the field by the officials. I can totally understand how that must have cheesed off the home crowd. Replay showed Brady was correct both times.

    I have to say that Tony Romo has great TV personality. First time in a long time I feel that I can say that a commentator added to the game experience. Bravo Tony. Keep it up.

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    Romo was absolutely awful, as suspected. I felt like every time he opened his dumb yap, I was watching a postgame interview of his with that dopey face of his.

  13. terripet says:
    September 18, 2017 at 9:33 am
    Wait till he plays real defenses like Denver be a different story. The Saints will give up 600 points this year they are horrible.

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    Actually… I can’t wait. That’s why we watch the sport, to see great teams playing against each other.

  14. terripet says:
    September 18, 2017 at 9:33 am
    Wait till he plays real defenses like Denver be a different story. The Saints will give up 600 points this year they are horrible

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    Just imagine what Brady and the Pats would do to the Colts. He might hang 70 on them. Moreover, just imagine the Colts having to play the Broncos. They might end up with negative points.

  15. piscataquis007 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 9:42 am
    James Harrison get “randomly” tested 5 times in one year for PEDs, passes every time.
    40 year old Tom Brady plays like he’s still 25, I wonder how many times he’s been “randomly” tested. Not saying he’s using, I hope that he’s not.
    Just would like to think the “random” testing was actually fair to all.

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    Why would you assume he hasn’t been tested? Harrison likes to talk about it. Most players just deal with it and you never hear about it.

  16. This will be an interesting year. If Brady does play great and wins another super bowl….do they re-sign him or say thanks and go with Jimmy G?

    Most likely they will have to pick one QB after this year.

    It could be amazing or it could be an ugly divorce.

    Who knows? Brady and Coach Belichick could both come to the Jets in 2018! they should have an opening for a QB and head coach!

  17. tylawspick6 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:06 am
    factschecker says:
    September 18, 2017 at 9:45 am
    Brady also corrected 2 incorrect calls made on the field by the officials. I can totally understand how that must have cheesed off the home crowd. Replay showed Brady was correct both times.

    I have to say that Tony Romo has great TV personality. First time in a long time I feel that I can say that a commentator added to the game experience. Bravo Tony. Keep it up.

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    Romo was absolutely awful, as suspected. I felt like every time he opened his dumb yap, I was watching a postgame interview of his with that dopey face of his.

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    I thought he did a nice job. What specifically did you not like about the content of his analysis?

  18. raiderej says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:12 am
    By week 9 you’ll not only see his age, you’ll see the beginning of the end of his career.

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    It’s already boring without Peyton in the league. Don’t rush Brady out too.

  19. He is amazing…after all is said & done, he is the G.O.A.T…..

    –Broncos Fan

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    Agreed, I appreciate Tom Brady a ton, especially considering the dearth of great quarterback play nowadays. That being said – that Denver Defense aint New Orleans that is for dang sure. A defense in an offense driven league that will hit and intimidate you. Not sure they can beat NE but they will sure as hell put some bruises on those little receivers and on Tom himself when all is said and done

  20. In reality, they have played more football than anyone else as Brady gets them to the AFC Championship seemingly every year and the wear and tear is showing. The defence is now paper thin and guys like Hightower are playing out of position and leading to injury. 6 of Brady’s top 7 offensive players Edelman, Mitchell, Amendola, Gronk, Hogan, Burkhead and Dorsett are out with injury in only week 2 leaving only Cooks and the backs. The end will come and Brady will probably get the blame but its a team game and you are only as good as the guys catching the ball. Go out swinging what else can you do? GO PATS

  21. “By week 9 you’ll not only see his age, you’ll see the beginning of the end of his career.”

    You’ve been saying this for five years. It’s like saying “someday you’re going to die”. Eventually you’ll be right, but you’ll still have looked like a fool the dozens of times you made the same prediction and were flat out wrong. =)

  22. Just imagine if the Pats didn’t lose Edelman, Mitchell,and now Amendola, maybe Gronk too. Some people say that Rodgers and Matt Ryan are better than he is. Those two are gunslingers, Brady is more like an assassin. At his age, he is an anomaly. Let’s just all enjoy greatness. We already lost Peyton. Remember the excitement of Brady-Manning games and the hoopla accompanying them? Gone.

  23. ajsjr40 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:02 am
    The only real question regarding this year is when will he run out of guys to throw to? The fact the Pats had three WR’s on the active roster only means those guys will take even more hits raising the likelihood they don’t last long.

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    When I saw this article I figured it was just something to tweak the trolls so they would fire up their clickers. I’m pleased that most, even some obvious haters, are still showing respect for what they see happening. Its ok to be a hater but dont be more a hater than one is a lover of this great game.

    And all that said I agree with this posters comment. I love the team they built and am rooting hard. But I cant lie and say this injury train isnt starting to feel like 2015. It would still take about 3-4 more weeks at this pace to be like two years ago, but so far we are three weeks in a row with multiple significant guys getting banged up so its been enough to make me uncomfortable. I have no doubt this will be a good team for the duration of the year. But I worry that depletion will make them just deep into the playoffs good and not win a superbowl good.(like 2015)
    I hate the trend.

  24. Let’s be realistic here, it was the Saints D he just played. Great QB no doubt about it and even at his age but this still was against a D that most of us commenting could of completed some passes!

  25. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:55 am
    Sam Bradford looked like a pro bowl QB against the Saints defense. Calm down Pats homers.

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    Sam Bradford if healthy and playing behind a stron oline has pro bowl potential. Take heart Vikings fans.

  26. Oh please. The first one was a pick, but the second one Brady knew they had 12 men on the field. It was why they went with such a quick snap without even having a play called. He just threw the ball away so they could take the penalty and automatic 1st down

  27. Totally agree with the Broncos fan that pointed to the Nov 12 game at Denver. Granted, it is following a bye, but daaaaaaaaaaaaaaang… that Broncos defense is just crazy good. Hope injuries aren’t nagging or else the Pats figure something else out on offense or else it is going to be another long day at Sports Authority at Mile High (5th time in the last 6 games??? how does that happen?)

  28. telallprod says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:11 am
    No one was saying that he was done last week… literally no one.

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    100% False.

    I must have read “father time” 1 billion times last week here and everywhere else.

  29. “No one was saying that he was done last week… literally no one.”

    Lolz are you new here? Because there were literally hundreds of posts stating Brady was finished on here after the first game.

  30. friscokid49 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:51 am
    Brady is the one of the greatest QB in the NFL. The debate is if he is #1 or #2.

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    There is no drbate. Thats only for guys too biased to admit he is #1 all time. They hate it so much and try anything they can to deny it. Meanwhile Brady drives them nuts because he wont stop doing things to prove it which makes those guys feel like they have to keep posting in the desperate hopes that enough comments from them can change reality.

  31. shogunassasin30 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:28 am
    He is amazing…after all is said & done, he is the G.O.A.T…..

    –Broncos Fan

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    Agreed, I appreciate Tom Brady a ton, especially considering the dearth of great quarterback play nowadays. That being said – that Denver Defense aint New Orleans that is for dang sure. A defense in an offense driven league that will hit and intimidate you. Not sure they can beat NE but they will sure as hell put some bruises on those little receivers and on Tom himself when all is said and done

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    Denver’s D has no depth to it and their Safety group is very vulnerable. They start a rookie back there and Stewart has no range at all. They’re about as traditional a defense as you’ll find.

    A good running team with balance will do damage on them.

    Wake me when they play a challenging offense this year. They get Buffalo next week.

    Paper Tiger.

    Their O Line is next to be exposed, but it likely won’t happen vs a crap opponent.

    Long, long season….Titles aren’t won in September.

  32. telallprod says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:11 am
    No one was saying that he was done last week… literally no one.

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    I envy you sir. Wherever you went for vacation last week it must have been awesome.

  33. tylawspick6 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:15 am
    telallprod says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:11 am
    No one was saying that he was done last week… literally no one.

    0 0 Rate This

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    100% False.

    I must have read “father time” 1 billion times last week here and everywhere else.

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    Exaggerating again?

  34. friscokid49 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:51 am

    Brady is the one of the greatest QB in the NFL. The debate is if he is #1 or #2.
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    I can’t get my head around what possible argument could be made for Joe Montana as #1. Is it the ubiquitous “Montana was 4-0 in Super Bowls” thing? Montana was also 1 and done 4 times in the playoffs in his career. So in essence the argument is that Montana one and dones (including 2 blow out losses where his team couldn’t score a TD) are somehow superior to Brady advancing to the SB and losing there. Makes no sense. Never did. Have to be a rabid SF homer to try to argue otherwise.

  35. At 40, Jerry Rice had over 1200 yards receiving, caught a touchdown in the superbowl and turned his QB, Rich Gannon, into an MVP.

  36. walker1191 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:31 am
    friscokid49 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:51 am

    Brady is the one of the greatest QB in the NFL. The debate is if he is #1 or #2.
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    I can’t get my head around what possible argument could be made for Joe Montana as #1. Is it the ubiquitous “Montana was 4-0 in Super Bowls” thing? Montana was also 1 and done 4 times in the playoffs in his career. So in essence the argument is that Montana one and dones (including 2 blow out losses where his team couldn’t score a TD) are somehow superior to Brady advancing to the SB and losing there. Makes no sense. Never did. Have to be a rabid SF homer to try to argue otherwise.

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    Also, no way Montana wins 4 SBs in the salary cap era. No way.

    Part of Brady’s brilliance, along with BB’s, is adjusting to different personnel so frequently.

  37. Even though I never doubted that Tom Brady would recover after that loss to the Saints, to be fair this was against the Saints miserable defense. A unit I vastly overestimated. I mean my god he had time to call his wife in the pocket he had so much time. Texans are going to hit him much more often so let’s see how the old man reacts to them before saying he’s going to surpass all expectations for a 40 year old.

  38. Like a broken record, again and again … Seems like stuck on the same note.
    When not much to contribute what else left to say?
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    patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:08 am

    GOAT SYSTEM QB. I don’t think there is any doubt anymore.

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  39. “No one was saying that he was done last week… literally no one.”

    LOL

    Yeah, just like it was an interception when Brady caught the Saints with 12 men on the field. You guys live in this strange alternate reality.

  40. tylawspick6 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:21 am

    That being said – that Denver Defense aint New Orleans that is for dang sure. A defense in an offense driven league that will hit and intimidate you. Not sure they can beat NE but they will sure as hell put some bruises on those little receivers and on Tom himself when all is said and done
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    Denver looks tough. So do the Raiders. And the Steelers. And the Ravens. And the Chiefs. It’ll be a long season. The Patriots will be in the mix, but whoever advances to the SB from the AFC will have earned it.

  41. I can’t get my head around what possible argument could be made for Joe Montana as #1. Is it the ubiquitous “Montana was 4-0 in Super Bowls” thing? Montana was also 1 and done 4 times in the playoffs in his career. So in essence the argument is that Montana one and dones (including 2 blow out losses where his team couldn’t score a TD) are somehow superior to Brady advancing to the SB and losing there. Makes no sense. Never did. Have to be a rabid SF homer to try to argue otherwise.

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    Montana had 3 straight 1 and dones from 1985-1987, some of those being directly tied to BB’s brilliance as a Def Coordinator in that era.

    The irony.

  42. Joe Montana only played 9 years on a Super Bowl competitor compared to Brady’s 17. Montana played much better in Super Bowls (0 interceptions) and played against tougher competition to get there (Brady never played against a team as good as the Bears or Belichick Giants). Additionally the 49ers won 3 of their Super Bowls by the 3rd quarter. Compliments to the Patriots for their 4th Quarter comebacks in SB49 and SB51 but they were helped immensely by their opponents stupid play calls in key situations. An argument can be made that Brady is the best of his era and has played the QB position as well as anyone in history…but that same argument can also be made about Joe Montana.

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    walker1191 says:
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    I can’t get my head around what possible argument could be made for Joe Montana as #1. Is it the ubiquitous “Montana was 4-0 in Super Bowls” thing? Montana was also 1 and done 4 times in the playoffs in his career. So in essence the argument is that Montana one and dones (including 2 blow out losses where his team couldn’t score a TD) are somehow superior to Brady advancing to the SB and losing there. Makes no sense. Never did. Have to be a rabid SF homer to try to argue otherwise.

  43. Saw Montana play plenty at ND and then Niners. Excellent QB surrounded by superior talent his entire career and he produced with it. He was a winner, I always enjoyed watching his play, wouldn’t take anything away from him. But to suggest that he is remotely in the same league as Brady is laughable and just reflects entrenched denial and bias. Brady passed all his predecessors a long long time ago. There’s no argument to be had just ask an honest man -Terry Bradshaw.

  44. piscataquis007 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 9:42 am
    James Harrison get “randomly” tested 5 times in one year for PEDs, passes every time.
    40 year old Tom Brady plays like he’s still 25, I wonder how many times he’s been “randomly” tested. Not saying he’s using, I hope that he’s not.
    Just would like to think the “random” testing was actually fair to all.

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    Look at James Harrison then look at Tom Brady and you tell me which one you’d test 5 times. Just because the NFL is supposed to be fair doesn’t mean they need to be stupid.

  45. walker1191 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:43 am
    tylawspick6 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:21 am

    That being said – that Denver Defense aint New Orleans that is for dang sure. A defense in an offense driven league that will hit and intimidate you. Not sure they can beat NE but they will sure as hell put some bruises on those little receivers and on Tom himself when all is said and done
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    Denver looks tough. So do the Raiders. And the Steelers. And the Ravens. And the Chiefs. It’ll be a long season. The Patriots will be in the mix, but whoever advances to the SB from the AFC will have earned it.

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    The only thing any of those teams have going for it right now are easy schedules and fully healthy rosters, save for Denver who has lost some guys for the year on D, which will eventually come back to haunt them.

    None of those teams are better on paper than the Pats, though.

    Oakland’s D is meh, Denver’s offense is meh, and Pitt’s D is meh.

    Lots of Paper Tigers right now and the AFC is actually a weak field compared to the NFC.

  46. Also, no way Montana wins 4 SBs in the salary cap era. No way.
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    Opinion.

    Only 1 other 9er has 4 Rings.

    There was considerable turnover on the Montnana’s teams, for the SAME reasons Belichick turns his roster over.

  47. Every time someone points at Brady and says “System QB,” it is just like they are jumping up and down, holding sign that says “I don’t have the tiniest understanding of football.”

    Which system is Brady? The 2001-2 Defensive-based system? The 2005-7 long-ball system? Any one of the five or six systems since then? Really, which system?

  48. “Joe Montana only played 9 years on a Super Bowl competitor compared to Brady’s 17. Montana played much better in Super Bowls (0 interceptions)”

    Once again more strange justification….so now it counts against Brady that he’s been dominant for 17 years? And you conveniently leave out one of the most impressive drives in SB history (vs. the Rams), the second biggest comeback in SB history (2nd to himself) against SEA, and arguably the greatest comeback in SPORTS championship game history 6 months ago where the guy threw for 350 yards and 2 tds in 16 mins. Plus set a SB record for passes completed and yards.

    Give me a break.

  49. Yup…if Belichick never got into football, Montana would have won more Super Bowls and Brady less…

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    tylawspick6 says:

    Montana had 3 straight 1 and dones from 1985-1987, some of those being directly tied to BB’s brilliance as a Def Coordinator in that era.

    The irony.

  50. Montana had 3 straight 1 and dones from 1985-1987, some of those being directly tied to BB’s brilliance as a Def Coordinator in that era.

    The irony.
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    Never saw Montana in the playoffs to teams like this;

    17th points against (2007 Giants)
    25th points allowed, 27th yards allowed (2011 Giants)

    .. but he did lose to HOF’rs like Parcells, and Gibbs, you’re right about that. They just happened to go to 6 Super Bowls of their own, and accout for 4 of 5 of Montana’s NFC Playoff losses.

    Who kept Brady out of Super Bowls? Mark Sanchez? Joe Flacco? Jake Plummer? My goodness.. what titans………… *eyeroll*

  51. popcherrycoke says:
    September 18, 2017 at 12:20 pm
    “Joe Montana only played 9 years on a Super Bowl competitor compared to Brady’s 17. Montana played much better in Super Bowls (0 interceptions)”

    Once again more strange justification….so now it counts against Brady that he’s been dominant for 17 years? And you conveniently leave out one of the most impressive drives in SB history (vs. the Rams), the second biggest comeback in SB history (2nd to himself) against SEA, and arguably the greatest comeback in SPORTS championship game history 6 months ago where the guy threw for 350 yards and 2 tds in 16 mins. Plus set a SB record for passes completed and yards.

    Give me a break.

    ^
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    What he said

  52. Just looking at the situation objectively. Brady had twice as many chances but only moderately more success. Montana played in an era when QBs were done by their early 30s. Brady’s great at taking care of himself but he benefits from the advances in nutrition and training and more protective rules. Those 2 4th quarter comebacks were necessitated by his poor play and interceptions in the first half. Montana rarely needed to comeback because he and his team played great the entire game. Denver had the top defense in 1990 led by Wade Philips but Montana smoked them for 5 TD passes.

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    popcherrycoke says:
    September 18, 2017 at 12:20 pm
    “Joe Montana only played 9 years on a Super Bowl competitor compared to Brady’s 17. Montana played much better in Super Bowls (0 interceptions)”

    Once again more strange justification….so now it counts against Brady that he’s been dominant for 17 years? And you conveniently leave out one of the most impressive drives in SB history (vs. the Rams), the second biggest comeback in SB history (2nd to himself) against SEA, and arguably the greatest comeback in SPORTS championship game history 6 months ago where the guy threw for 350 yards and 2 tds in 16 mins. Plus set a SB record for passes completed and yards.

  53. raiderej says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:12 am
    By week 9 you’ll not only see his age, you’ll see the beginning of the end of his career.
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    That’s the only way the Raiders will sniff the SB.

  54. AreYouKiddingMe? says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:53 am
    piscataquis007 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 9:42 am
    James Harrison get “randomly” tested 5 times in one year for PEDs, passes every time.
    40 year old Tom Brady plays like he’s still 25, I wonder how many times he’s been “randomly” tested. Not saying he’s using, I hope that he’s not.
    Just would like to think the “random” testing was actually fair to all.

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    Look at James Harrison then look at Tom Brady and you tell me which one you’d test 5 times. Just because the NFL is supposed to be fair doesn’t mean they need to be stupid.
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    QB’s butter the NFL’s bread not DE’s/LB’s.

  55. Yeah….lets all play the “those accomplishments are actually negatives” game with all the usual suspects. It’s mind boggling. And the guy claiming that “turnover” on the 9ers is even remotely in the same ballpark as turnover for ANY team in the salary cap era is downright hilarious and immediately discredits anything else he has to say about anything.

  56. Belichick gets the credit for keeping the Patriots great all these years. Moss was gone but they got Gronkowski. Welker left but they got Edelman. Brady didn’t have anything to do with that. And while the salary cap kept some of the 49ers together it also worked against them. The Bears, Giants and Redskins were able to maintain a great team for most of the 80s.

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    popcherrycoke says:
    September 18, 2017 at 1:21 pm
    Yeah….lets all play the “those accomplishments are actually negatives” game with all the usual suspects. It’s mind boggling. And the guy claiming that “turnover” on the 9ers is even remotely in the same ballpark as turnover for ANY team in the salary cap era is downright hilarious and immediately discredits anything else he has to say about anything.

  57. Yup, you’re right dude. The salary cap is meaningless and Belichick is responsible for everything. Case closed.

  58. las0023 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:49 am
    Joe Montana only played 9 years on a Super Bowl competitor compared to Brady’s 17.
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    LMAO. The same lame argument every time the comparison comes up. By definition shouldn’t any playoff caliber team with the GOAT be a contender every year?

  59. friscokid49 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 10:51 am
    Brady is the one of the greatest QB in the NFL. The debate is if he is #1 or #2.

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    That ship sailed in February 2015. Brady is #1.

  60. Montana’s first few years in SF they weren’t even a playoff caliber team. Took Bill Walsh a few years to sign the players needed. Additionally, Montana only having a 9 year window is due to the era he played in. QBs only played at a high level to their early 30s. These days with the advancements and safer rules, QBs such as Favre, Brees, Manning and Brady can play at a high level until they’re at least 40.

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    commentawaitingdeletion says:

    September 18, 2017 at 3:41 pm
    las0023 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 11:49 am
    Joe Montana only played 9 years on a Super Bowl competitor compared to Brady’s 17.
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    LMAO. The same lame argument every time the comparison comes up. By definition shouldn’t any playoff caliber team with the GOAT be a contender every year?

  61. It’s already boring without Peyton in the league. Don’t rush Brady out too.
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    Both are where they belong: Manning selling lots of pizzas; Brady winning football games and championships than anyone in history.

  62. September 18, 2017 at 4:03 pm
    Montana’s first few years in SF they weren’t even a playoff caliber team. Took Bill Walsh a few years to sign the players needed. Additionally, Montana only having a 9 year window is due to the era he played in.
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    But by your tally Brady has supposedly been on a contender for all 17 years he has been in the league which would include his rookie year where he had 3 attempts, the ’01 season when the Pats were projected to win 6 games, the ’02 season when the Pats were still rebuilding, ’06 when they were retooling and Reche Caldwell was Brady’s leading receiver, ’08 when Brady played less than a half, ’09 when they were again retooling. But Montana gets a pass for every less than ideal season and somehow was only on a contender for 9 years when he went to the playoffs 11 times? Strange how ‘qualified’ your criteria is, one would almost think you were trying to tilt the field in favor of your argument.

  63. Belichick said Peyton is the best he’s ever coached against and after Brady would be his first choice for QB. He never had the playoff success Brady did, but 3 straight AFC Championship game victories over the Patriots and just making it to the Super Bowl with Jim Caldwell and John Fox are noticeably achievements.

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    ibillwt says:
    September 18, 2017 at 4:52 pm
    It’s already boring without Peyton in the league. Don’t rush Brady out too.
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    Both are where they belong: Manning selling lots of pizzas; Brady winning football games and championships than anyone in history.

  64. All the arguments here are that IF Montana had. But he didnt. And then there is IF Brady hadnt, but he did. Montana was a great QB in his day and in NFL history. He has many great accomplishments. But now Brady has come along and surpassed all that. I know some if his long time worshipers are having trouble letting go but he Has been unseated as the best ever. Take heart, someday someone else will come along who out does what Brady has done, and all the longtime Brady worshipers will have to do their own letting go.

  65. Let’s face it… nowhere close to a Pats fan here, but Brady is the GOAT. It’s that simple.

    With that said, when he gets to the SB this year, his #6 should be his easiest one yet. Thanks to the NFC that is loaded with mediocre teams (Seattle has zero offense, GB has zero defense, Giants’ hey day days are over with Eli, none of the other teams are worth mentioning), the Patriots should and will win SB 52. And with Rodgers and Wilson seemingly going to max out at 1 ring, should Brady get 6 or 7, there is not a chance any of those young mediocre QBs should have a chance in hell of catching him.

  66. aarons444 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 12:11 pm
    Also, no way Montana wins 4 SBs in the salary cap era. No way.
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    Opinion.

    Only 1 other 9er has 4 Rings.

    There was considerable turnover on the Montnana’s teams, for the SAME reasons Belichick turns his roster over.

    …………….

    Why would the 80s 49ers get rid of players because of a nonexistent salary cap, like the current Belichick does?

    The “disease of more” as Pat Riley called it along with the cap make it harder to field a competitive team every single year for an extended period of time. Fact.

  67. Yeah, this guy seems like a freak of nature when it comes to aging and he plays in an almost perfect system. Hopefully Gisele doesn’t force him to retire earlier than he should.

  68. las0023 says:
    September 18, 2017 at 12:46 pm
    Just looking at the situation objectively. Brady had twice as many chances but only moderately more success. Montana played in an era when QBs were done by their early 30s. Brady’s great at taking care of himself but he benefits from the advances in nutrition and training and more protective rules. Those 2 4th quarter comebacks were necessitated by his poor play and interceptions in the first half. Montana rarely needed to comeback because he and his team played great the entire game. Denver had the top defense in 1990 led by Wade Philips but Montana smoked them for 5 TD passes.

    ………………………………………

    Brady has played 15 full years and has gone to 11 AFC title games and 7 SBs. That objectively is a much, much better rate of playoff success than Montana. And the Pats lead the majority of the Rams SB, btw.

    And to say “Montana rarely needed to comeback to win” is bizarre. It’s one of his best attributes. Montana is 2nd all time in 4th quarter playoff comebacks. I think you can guess who #1 is.

  69. Only because he had weaker competition. Brady just had to get past the Jets, Ravens or Steelers. Montana had to get past the Bears, Redskins or Belichick Giants. Brady has never faced a team that good.

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    Brady has played 15 full years and has gone to 11 AFC title games and 7 SBs. That objectively is a much, much better rate of playoff success than Montana. And the Pats lead the majority of the Rams SB, btw.

  70. If you’re just comparing careers, then it’s easy to say Brady had more accomplishments. If you’re comparing who’s the better QB then it’s important to take into account the variables. Which QB played on a better team, had better coaches, had tougher competition, had more favorable rules, better technology, etc.

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    Americas favorite brand says:
    September 18, 2017 at 8:48 pm
    All the arguments here are that IF Montana had. But he didnt. And then there is IF Brady hadnt, but he did. Montana was a great QB in his day and in NFL history. He has many great accomplishments. But now Brady has come along and surpassed all that. I know some if his long time worshipers are having trouble letting go but he Has been unseated as the best ever. Take heart, someday someone else will come along who out does what Brady has done, and all the longtime Brady worshipers will have to do their own letting go.

  71. Why would the 80s 49ers get rid of players because of a nonexistent salary cap, like the current Belichick does?

    The “disease of more” as Pat Riley called it along with the cap make it harder to field a competitive team every single year for an extended period of time. Fact.
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    For the EXACT same reasons as Belichick.

    Americas Game 1981 49ers, Randy Cross, 3x All-Pro, Walsh flat out told him he wouldn’t be around at a certain age.

    No cap wasn’t a license to spend money. Owners operated then as they do now.

    Who did Lott, Craig and Montana end their careers with? NOT the 9ers… Lott and Craig, cut after 1990. 3 years BEFORE the cap was instituted. Lott made the 1990s All-Decade team.. having only played 4 years that decade.

    Walsh was Belichick before Belichick. Fact.

  72. Take heart, someday someone else will come along who out does what Brady has done, and all the longtime Brady worshipers will have to do their own letting go.
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    Looking at the state of QBs today, thats going to be a VERY long ways down the road.

    Luck was poised to carry the torch, but it looks like he’s fallen flat on his face.

    .. Mariota is the only other candidate presently.

  73. Only because he had weaker competition. Brady just had to get past the Jets, Ravens or Steelers. Montana had to get past the Bears, Redskins or Belichick Giants. Brady has never faced a team that good.
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    They don’t get it, and thats fine.

    How many of them even saw that golden age? Not many, otherwise they’d realize what a $#!& show this League is right now.

  74. aarons444 says:

    September 19, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    Why would the 80s 49ers get rid of players because of a nonexistent salary cap, like the current Belichick does?

    The “disease of more” as Pat Riley called it along with the cap make it harder to field a competitive team every single year for an extended period of time. Fact.
    =====

    For the EXACT same reasons as Belichick.

    Americas Game 1981 49ers, Randy Cross, 3x All-Pro, Walsh flat out told him he wouldn’t be around at a certain age.

    No cap wasn’t a license to spend money. Owners operated then as they do now.

    Who did Lott, Craig and Montana end their careers with? NOT the 9ers… Lott and Craig, cut after 1990. 3 years BEFORE the cap was instituted. Lott made the 1990s All-Decade team.. having only played 4 years that decade.

    Walsh was Belichick before Belichick. Fact.

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    But Belichick would have loved to have kept the likes of players like Milloy, Samuel, Branch, Seymour, Vinatieri, Revis, Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins etc. if money wasn’t an issue. That was forced economics, HUGE difference.

  75. In the middle of his 49ers’ career and backed by one of his most dominant teams (13-1 entering the playoffs), Montana was benched midway through a first round home blowout-loss to the wild-card Vikings (QBd by Wade Wilson!). Compare that to Brady’s performance in what looked like an imminent blowout loss to the Falcons at the tail end of his career. On talent, poise, resilience and desire, Brady is the GOAT.

  76. las0023 says:

    September 19, 2017 at 7:46 am

    Only because he had weaker competition. Brady just had to get past the Jets, Ravens or Steelers. Montana had to get past the Bears, Redskins or Belichick Giants. Brady has never faced a team that good.

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    Pats beat the record breaking offense of the greatest show on turf, had to play Manning’s Colts and Broncos almost every year (because of their 1st place record), Legion of Boom, Big Ben’s 2x champion steelers, and many others. And with 4 more teams and more playoff rounds, the salary cap, more star player leverage, its harder to keep consistently going deep into the playoffs every year. But Pats and Brady have done it like no other team (ie 11 AFC title games in Brady’s 15 full years).

  77. But Belichick would have loved to have kept the likes of players like Milloy, Samuel, Branch, Seymour, Vinatieri, Revis, Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins etc. if money wasn’t an issue. That was forced economics, HUGE difference.
    =====

    Law-Samuel
    Milloy-Harrison
    Seymore-Wilfork
    Vinatieri-Gotch
    Samuel-Revis

    .. like Walsh, he hasn’t lost when he moved on from those guys.

    Along with Lombardi, these are the best personnel men in the history of the League.

  78. aarons444 says:

    September 19, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    But Belichick would have loved to have kept the likes of players like Milloy, Samuel, Branch, Seymour, Vinatieri, Revis, Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins etc. if money wasn’t an issue. That was forced economics, HUGE difference.
    =====

    Law-Samuel
    Milloy-Harrison
    Seymore-Wilfork
    Vinatieri-Gotch
    Samuel-Revis

    .. like Walsh, he hasn’t lost when he moved on from those guys.

    Along with Lombardi, these are the best personnel men in the history of the League.
    =========================

    No cap = easier.

  79. Pats beat the record breaking offense of the greatest show on turf, had to play Manning’s Colts and Broncos almost every year (because of their 1st place record), Legion of Boom, Big Ben’s 2x champion steelers, and many others.
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    He OWNED Manning. Those Colts teams only got him once. How many times did the Pats knock Colts out of the Playoffs? 4 times? That’s not a rivalry!

    The Giants nearly ended Montana’s career… TWICE! They knocked eachother out of the Playoffs multiple times… Gibbs’ teams, same story, minus the injuries.

    The other teams you named are one-offs.

    Brady has beaten Roethlisberger, but they never played eachother in the Steelers Super Bowl seasons. The Seahawks missed their chance at greatness. Perhaps the Broncos will maintain. Maybe the Steelers have a couple more shots with Roethlisberger… but to me, 30 years as a fan, right now its just too much like DiMaggio’s Yankees and Russell’s Celtics; there’s the Patriots, and nobody else.

    Brady is a living legend, as DiMaggio and Russell were.. but its a cr@p era of football at the moment (IMO)

  80. No cap = easier.
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    Couldn’t possibly disagree more.

    Your opponents could keep their teams together too = better teams, fiercer competition, tougher to win.

  81. In the middle of his 49ers’ career and backed by one of his most dominant teams (13-1 entering the playoffs), Montana was benched midway through a first round home blowout-loss to the wild-card Vikings (QBd by Wade Wilson!). Compare that to Brady’s performance in what looked like an imminent blowout loss to the Falcons at the tail end of his career. On talent, poise, resilience and desire, Brady is the GOAT.
    ======

    Every QB has an ugly Playoff loss on their resume.

    Look at the Giants teams Brady lost to in the SB. 1 was average, 1 was downright bad.

    And one of those losses to the Ravens was as ugly as it gets.

  82. aarons444 says:

    September 19, 2017 at 1:22 pm

    Pats beat the record breaking offense of the greatest show on turf, had to play Manning’s Colts and Broncos almost every year (because of their 1st place record), Legion of Boom, Big Ben’s 2x champion steelers, and many others.
    =====

    He OWNED Manning. Those Colts teams only got him once. How many times did the Pats knock Colts out of the Playoffs? 4 times? That’s not a rivalry!

    The Giants nearly ended Montana’s career… TWICE! They knocked eachother out of the Playoffs multiple times… Gibbs’ teams, same story, minus the injuries.

    The other teams you named are one-offs.

    Brady has beaten Roethlisberger, but they never played eachother in the Steelers Super Bowl seasons. The Seahawks missed their chance at greatness. Perhaps the Broncos will maintain. Maybe the Steelers have a couple more shots with Roethlisberger… but to me, 30 years as a fan, right now its just too much like DiMaggio’s Yankees and Russell’s Celtics; there’s the Patriots, and nobody else.

    Brady is a living legend, as DiMaggio and Russell were.. but its a cr@p era of football at the moment (IMO)

    ==================

    Well Manning did have a signature comeback to beat the Pats in ’06 for his Colts SB win. Brady to his credit, could have pulled it out if his best receiver (gulp, Reche Caldwell) hadn’t dropped an easy one that would have sealed it.

    And the “other teams are one-offs”? The Rams and Seahawks were trying to go back to back, that is the opposite of a “one off”. And Seattle is still fairly young.

    And the Pats did play Pittsburgh during their ’05 and ’08 SB seasons, and went 1-1.

  83. aarons444 says:

    September 19, 2017 at 1:24 pm

    No cap = easier.
    =====

    Couldn’t possibly disagree more.

    Your opponents could keep their teams together too = better teams, fiercer competition, tougher to win.
    ===================

    That’s about as subjective as it gets. There are 4 more teams all competing for the same player pool under the cap. Is it harder to constantly re-scheme your team every single year with new personnel or to keep it fairly similar? Is it harder to prepare for constantly changing opponents every year? Both are obvious YES.

    And those “fiercer, tougher, more competitive teams” were also considerably smaller and slower than todays players.

  84. The win against the Rams was mostly due to Belichick and the defense. Brady threw a couple of fine passes to wide open receivers to get them into field goal range at the end but 20 total points against one of the worst defenses in the league is nothing to be proud of.

    The Seahawks have remained a solid team but they haven’t played close to the level they were at in their Super Bowl year. In SB49, all 3 members of the legion of boom were hurt and they lost Jeremy Lane and Cliff Avril during the game. They were a shadow of themselves and the Patriots still needed the turnover to win the game.

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    And the “other teams are one-offs”? The Rams and Seahawks were trying to go back to back, that is the opposite of a “one off”. And Seattle is still fairly young.

  85. aarons444 says:

    September 19, 2017 at 2:23 pm

    And those “fiercer, tougher, more competitive teams” were also considerably smaller and slower than todays players.
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    Semantics

    ======

    They were your adjectives, so semantics all you want. I’m just posting fact points.

  86. aarons444 says:

    September 19, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    And video tapes….

    …………

    The paper reporting that story retracted it on both the front and back pages, an unprecedented move by a major metro paper.

  87. fritz96 says:

    September 19, 2017 at 2:39 pm

    The win against the Rams was mostly due to Belichick and the defense. Brady threw a couple of fine passes to wide open receivers to get them into field goal range at the end but 20 total points against one of the worst defenses in the league is nothing to be proud of.

    The Seahawks have remained a solid team but they haven’t played close to the level they were at in their Super Bowl year. In SB49, all 3 members of the legion of boom were hurt and they lost Jeremy Lane and Cliff Avril during the game. They were a shadow of themselves and the Patriots still needed the turnover to win the game.

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    The 2001 St. Louis Rams defense was 3rd in the NFL in yards allowed per game and 7th in points allowed per game, and 3rd in rushing ypg. Not one of the “worst defenses in the league” by any means. I think Brady and Belichick are proud.

  88. The paper reporting that story retracted it on both the front and back pages, an unprecedented move by a major metro paper.
    ======

    And that might mean something to me. If not for the other 2 scandals they authored.

  89. LOL. Let’s hope 20 years from now this guy ^ is still sweating bullets and losing sleep over Belichick and Brady. Please don’t move on with your life; stay just the way you are.

  90. Nothing is more predictable on these threads than little aarons/fritz backing in at the end with pseudo facts to fit the agenda. I am a Phins fan of a certain age, meaning the ’72 team was a life experience for me not a historical one. I saw Lombardi coach and lived through the true golden era of ’60’s- ’80’s football. The numbest argument I have ever heard is that it is easier in the salary cap era. NONE of the top teams (ie the ones with owners willing to spend) ever lost a player they wanted to keep, no one was able to raid the rosters of the better teams every year. If a player left the 80’s Skins, Niners or Giants it was because the team was ready for it or even wanted them to. True FA and the cap make it infinitely harder to stay consistently good, only a child would argue otherwise. I have seen them all from Starr to Brady and Lombardi to Belichick, the discussion is over. The sustained level of success Belichick and Brady have put together in a an environment specifically designed to defeat it makes every argument against them moot. As far as what makes great QB’s goes of all the ones I have seen Starr was the toughest field leader, Tarkenton had the best legs, Marino was the greatest pure passer, Montana and Rodgers are impossible for me to separate in terms of best inherent skill sets but at the end of the day Brady without the legs, release or best physical skills is the best pure winner of them all because he is the smartest of them all. He sees the game at a level none of the others did. I do not have to like the where he has done it to be in awe of what he has done. All the jealous sniping from the anonymous tall grass of a football forum and misrepresenting of facts does not change that.

  91. Which ones? The one where the NFL determined no competitive advantage was gained because the Jets tapes weren’t used in that game? or the one where the NFL decided to disregard the scientific community (and high school physics) and decided to believe only the “experts” they paid and hid the PSI logs they recorded?

  92. There’s honestly no point in trying to deny Brady… he is what he is as far as legend status is concerned.

    But honestly… there are no young QBs whatsoever to even come close. Brady can play for another 2-3 years if Derek Carr is the best that the NFL can do to challenge him. That’s a joke. And the NFC? Even a bigger joke.

  93. Agreed, but once again the credit goes to Belichick. As a GM he always maintains a good roster and he’s the best coach in the history of the game. The year Brady was out, the team was 11-5. They would have won more games with Brady but that’s still a great roster to win that many games with Matt Cassel. Same as last year, winning 3 out of 4.

    —————————–

    True FA and the cap make it infinitely harder to stay consistently good, only a child would argue otherwise.

  94. You’re right, I was thinking of the Rams the previous year. My point about the Seahawks in SB49 stands though. Not even comparable to the previous year’s team.

    ————————

    The 2001 St. Louis Rams defense was 3rd in the NFL in yards allowed per game and 7th in points allowed per game, and 3rd in rushing ypg. Not one of the “worst defenses in the league” by any means. I think Brady and Belichick are proud.

  95. There’s honestly no point in trying to deny Brady… he is what he is as far as legend status is concerned.
    =====

    I’m not denying Brady. He’s a top QB all-time, quite obviously.

  96. las0023 says:

    September 20, 2017 at 9:24 am

    Agreed, but once again the credit goes to Belichick. As a GM he always maintains a good roster and he’s the best coach in the history of the game. The year Brady was out, the team was 11-5. They would have won more games with Brady but that’s still a great roster to win that many games with Matt Cassel. Same as last year, winning 3 out of 4.

    ================================

    But don’t forget Belichick started 5-13 with a well regarded QB who went to several Pro Bowls. Brady took that same team and went on an improbable Super Bowl run with them. Brady and Belichick needed each other.

  97. I’m not denying Brady. He’s a top QB all-time, quite obviously.
    ______________

    And, “quite obviously”, there is no valid argument to put any other QB above him on any “all-time” ranking.

    And…..he aint done yet.

    GOAT

  98. aarons444 says:
    September 21, 2017 at 10:41 am
    And, “quite obviously”, there is no valid argument to put any other QB above him on any “all-time” ranking.
    =====

    In your opinion.
    _________________

    Which unlike yours contains no twisted misrepresentations like the cap nonsense.

  99. What did I misrepresent regarding the cap?

    I believe it was tougher to win in the 80s-early 90s with teams staying together longer. EVERY team was staying together longer, not just the 9ers.

    I don’t believe its harder to win today. Half-a-dozen teams prove it as they win continually, regardless of player turnover. Either you can manage the cap and continually rotate players (Pats, Pack, P’Burgh, Seattle..) or you fail (Browns, Jags, Bills..)

    And how exactly can you misrepresent a personal opinion? That’s all these are.

  100. aarons444 says:

    September 21, 2017 at 4:40 pm

    What did I misrepresent regarding the cap?

    I believe it was tougher to win in the 80s-early 90s with teams staying together longer. EVERY team was staying together longer, not just the 9ers.

    I don’t believe its harder to win today. Half-a-dozen teams prove it as they win continually, regardless of player turnover. Either you can manage the cap and continually rotate players (Pats, Pack, P’Burgh, Seattle..) or you fail (Browns, Jags, Bills..)

    And how exactly can you misrepresent a personal opinion? That’s all these are.

    =============================

    “half a dozen” teams”? The only teams that have consistently been good in the last 17 years are the Steelers and the Pats. There are no other teams that haven’t bottomed out at some point.

    And the 80’s “good” teams stayed together longer which made it harder for the “bad” teams to turn it around. Its easier to coach with more continuity. Don’t you think John Calipari would want to keep his players more than 1 year? How many more titles would have won (he only has 1 in 9yrs at UK)?

    And there were 4 fewer teams back then. That just mathematically makes it easier to win and to assemble talent. Your making it harder than it is.

  101. veddermn8 says:
    September 22, 2017 at 12:46 pm
    Your making it harder than it is.
    ________________

    No just dumber. No FA, no cap, an unlimited payroll, the ability of free spending haves to poach from the broke have nots and no one could leave your roster unless you wanted them to but somehow it was harder to build a team, lmao. 13 teams have won all the SB’s in the past 20 years, 9 teams won all the SB’s in the 70’s & 80’s. There were 4 back to back championships won from 1970-1990 there have been 2 since the advent of the cap in ’94 and one of them cheated the cap to do it.

  102. There were 4 back to back championships won from 1970-1990 there have been 2 since the advent of the cap in ’94 and one of them cheated the cap to do it.
    ====

    One team has cheated the NFL and its fans since 2001.

    Shame the punishment doesn’t fit the crime.

  103. aarons444 says:

    September 25, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    One team has cheated the NFL and its fans since 2001.

    Shame the punishment doesn’t fit the crime.

    ===================

    The NFL front office team?

  104. A camera in the wrong spot in one game (which the NFL determined provided no competitive advantage because tapes weren’t used in that game), a few PED violations and a bizarre ball deflation allegation that was disproven by all scientists not paid by the NFL. Small potatoes by NFL standards, you need to step away from the hype and get to the facts.

  105. aarons444 says:
    September 25, 2017 at 12:39 pm
    There were 4 back to back championships won from 1970-1990 there have been 2 since the advent of the cap in ’94 and one of them cheated the cap to do it.
    ====

    One team has cheated the NFL and its fans since 2001.

    Shame the punishment doesn’t fit the crime.
    ___________________________________________________

    Funny how it goes from devil’s advocate to respect my opinions to stomping feet once bested.

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