What’s the solution to the anthem protests?

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The Commander-in-Chief continues to express, in 140 characters or less, his views regarding the NFL and the national anthem. Most recently, President Trump suggested that “[t]he only way out for them is to set a rule that you can’t kneel during our National Anthem!”

While that would definitely be a “way out” (although probably not a good one), there’s another way. The Browns first showed the path in Week One with a pre-anthem video, and the Cowboys followed a different branch of it last night with their pre-anthem display of unity by kneeling as a group.

The key is the word “pre-anthem.” The league needs to find a way, separate and apart from the national anthem, to allow players to raise concerns about racial equality and social justice without doing it during the national anthem.

When the anthem protests began last year, the anthem was the only platform for drawing attention to these issues. Two of 32 teams have now shown that there’s another way to do this, which allows the concerns to be expressed while also permitting players to stand for the anthem.

During a Tuesday morning media briefing, NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart pointed to players like Dolphins receiver Kenny Stills and Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins, who have said that the issue isn’t simply about showing that players can protest, but that it’s about moving to progress. During Sunday’s Football Night in America on NBC, Stills explained to Tony Dungy that Stills had stopped kneeling during the anthem because it was taking focus away from the reasons for the kneeling.

So here’s where the league needs to emerge not as an advisor to the teams (which it has been doing since the President challenged the NFL on Friday night and beyond) but as a leader. The league needs to devise a vehicle for allowing all players to express concerns separate and apart from the anthem, which in turn will make it easier for teams to steer them away from using the anthem as a vehicle for protest.

Ultimately, this responsibility falls on the desk of the Commissioner. He’s the leader of the sport, and this is not simply an opportunity but an obligation to come up with a solution that permanently defuses a debate on which there is no space for reasonable minds to differ.

One side will forever believe that kneeling or sitting during the anthem always disrespects the flag, the country, and/or the military. The other side will always believe that kneeling or sitting for valid reasons does not disrespect anything or anyone. The challenge for the Commissioner is to give players a way to use their platform that takes the anthem completely out of the equation, like the Browns did 16 days ago and like the Cowboys did last night.

It won’t be easy, but it will be the only effective way to bring this issue to an end. Short of changing the rules to make standing during the anthem mandatory.

259 responses to “What’s the solution to the anthem protests?

  1. Well considering that none of the protesters or enlightened media members have even tried to offer a solution to the perceived reason of the protests then how can we have a solution to the protests.

    The protests, at this point, has turned from police brutality to racism to now just anti trump. Their message has gotten so muddled that they no longer have a clear goal, if they ever did.

    It’s just like all of the other activist organizations, they are very good about ‘bringing awareness’ and placing blame but solutions? Not so much

  2. There are many qualities consistent in great leaders – unfortunately Goodell has none of these qualities so I have very little confidence in this happening.

  3. Easy. The solution is the same solution to end world hunger, homeless vets, and treating cancer. No one knows.. But we’ll squabble and pick sides until it does end. Meaning, it’ll never end.

  4. Each team should go start their own grassroots movement in their community to start.

    But whatever the end choice,It shouldn’t be infringing on my right to see what I paid for, which is football, nothing more, nothing less.I go to sporting events and concerts to see a sport I love or hear music I like…that is it. Anything involving politics I will go to at my discretion.

  5. I wonder if the league is still under contract with the defense department regarding pregame flag displays and having players on the field during the anthem. Prior to 2009, players were in the locker room during the anthem. Should they go back to that practice?

  6. People may not like Trump and the way he delivers his messages, but I think something that is being overlooked in all the dialogue I have listened to on this is that there is a large amount of people who agree with Trump’s basic message which is to stand for the anthem. Anyone in the NFL who believes this is not a factor in ratings going down is not paying attention. It is a factor and I think it may be a big factor.

  7. Stop not prosecuting cops who murder minorities that did nothing to deserve it. Work for equal treatment under the law. None of this is rocket science.

  8. The related stories about ratings being down because of this and I think one of the reasons may be the excellent Vietnam series on PBS. I have not watched a Sunday, Monday or Thursday night game since the series started late week and I won’t until it’s complicated

    The other thing the series remind is how so absolutely the country was divided. The riot at the Democrat Convention in 1968 makes this issue seem like a cat fight.

  9. dmca12 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:38 am
    People may not like Trump and the way he delivers his messages, but I think something that is being overlooked in all the dialogue I have listened to on this is that there is a large amount of people who agree with Trump’s basic message which is to stand for the anthem. Anyone in the NFL who believes this is not a factor in ratings going down is not paying attention. It is a factor and I think it may be a big factor.

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    It is a manufactured factor. Players weren’t even on the field during the anthem until a few years ago and the number of players kneeling was what, 6-10 out of 1800? It was a minor issue until Trump needed a distraction from his latest screw ups and gave his base something shiny to focus on, as usual.

  10. crush22 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:34 am

    The solution?
    Stop talking about it.
    As soon as they don’t get the media’s attention, it’ll go away.

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    Ahhhh yes… the ol’ sweep-it-under-the-rug-and-let-it-continue-to-fester technique. Never fails.

    Or we can actually agree to disagree on the method they chose, talk about that later, and talk about the actual message they are sending which is that black people should be treated equally in the country. Not told they are treated equally and to not complain. But actually treat them equally.

  11. Funny thing is that this whole thing was dying down until Trump opened up about it. Less players were doing it, less media attention to it. Now all the players are going to keep doing it to spite a President that they do not care for or respect.

    But I do agree – attention has been drawn to the issue, now do some talking about it. Pre-anthem videos are a great start, as it shares the opinions and beliefs of the players. But like I said, the protests won’t go away now that Trump has called for them to. (Excellent distraction on his part to draw attention from the fact that he can’t pass any Repeal/Replace legislation.)

  12. A. Realize the 1st amendment does not protect you at your job.
    B. Stop the hypocrisy. If the NFL is going to fine players for 9/11 or charity cleats and disallow decals honoring cops, players should be fined for not standing during the anthem.
    C. Actually do something you’re protesting about. Pretty much none of the players are doing jack to bring communities together. Rather they are exacerbating the problem.

  13. How about not using your work place for your social agendas? Maybe time to get rid of the anthem at these events altogether to take away their chance to show disrespect

  14. Leave politics out of football. Why is it in football anyway…football is a whole different animal being that it’s a sport and not designed to be a political platform.

  15. I would just ignore the millionaires who feel like victims. I didn’t vote for Trump, but a lot of clueless people did, so my conscience is clean.

    The fact people think kneeling for a national anthem can have an impact on social and economic change to help minorities (not just blacks), is a bit disturbing.

    What needs to happen is our corrupt politicians at the federal and state level need to held accountable and rational legislation to add new revenues to improve publicly funded entities like the police and add more quality teachers so GOOD people would actually want to do those jobs.

    Some fat load who shops at Walmart with an IQ of 80, who happens to be a racist, shouldn’t be a cop.

  16. We have become an absurd civilization. Civil can be highly debatable.

    if the right and the left could just let the people have print, TV and radio back that would be a huge step in the correct direction. The right and the left own all forms of media so literally everything has been politicized. How about we go back to being a free country. Which means propaganda free. No matter if you are an independent (like most Americans) a republican or a democrat you get fed a ton of propaganda whether you realize it or not.

    To the protests, we should probably have a real discussion about being a police state country. 911 changed how our law enforcement is trained. Today’s training is far to aggressive. Guns are out far too often. Less military style training and more peace officer style of training. Any citizen of any race should be perfectly protected when under police custody. ONE is too many US citizens to die while being under police custody. We need to get that to be part of all 50 states all of the time.

  17. I will not go to games with my wife and kids where the very stadium my tax payer dollars built broadcasts the players political views no matter how benign they may seem. I feel like this the stadium is a tinderbox just waiting to explode. I think this has created an unsafe environment for the fans. The players have the media following them around 24×7, twitter accounts, etc… They should express your political views there. This stuff has to end before I’ll go back.

  18. Again the point is being missed. People are paying with time and money to be entertained not to have politics infringe or their very limited and valuable recreational time. Most of us look at sports and movies as an escape from politics, not as a platform to preach at us.

  19. aliveguy24 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:46 am
    Media stop making a big deal out of it. Poof it’s gone.

    Now that the players have raised awareness. Do something.

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    Agreed, even though we’ve been aware of police abuse an inequality for many years.

    This isn’t new.

    What is new is Kaepernick being benched, being entitled and selfish, and quitting on his team because he didn’t care.

  20. I like nascar reaction. about 6 of their owners said simply protest during the national anthem and your fired immediately.

  21. Good article Florio. It was unbiased and spoke intelligently. You are right to point out those that have hit the right answer. They have separated the protest away from ‘disrespecting the flag’. And having done so they have taken the first step to recognize and respect the views of the other side. Now its time to reciprocate and give their protest and the point they were trying to make equal recognition and respect.

    Im no Trump supporter but he may have called this one right in his own tangerine circus clown way. Because of my opinion of him my own feeling is that its just a case of an out of control raving lunatic accidentally saying the right thing. But I do think that might have just happened.

  22. “…to allow players to raise concerns about racial equality and social justice…”

    Why should the NFL or the team owners have to provide these guys with a platform for their pet peeves??? When I’m at work I’m expected to work, when I’m not at work I can engage in my personal interests. Why are these guys any different???

  23. SIMPLE! Support your social causes outside of the workforce.

    Then people who are sympathetic can join you and the people who oppose your position don’t have it shoved it their faces.

  24. That is not a solution, a pre-anthem protest. There are two things that are disgusting to a lot of us. #1 and more importantly, disrespecting the flag, the country and those that have fought and died for this country. #2 keep politics out of sports. Sports are a safe place, an escape from politics, an area conservative or liberal we can all come together, it isn’t liberal fans or conservative fans, its just fans of a particular team regardless of political beliefs. You want to push your social issues, go ahead, but not while in uniform, do it on your own time like the rest of us have to do.

  25. As I’ve said for years, nothing Goodell does makes any sense until you realize he hates the league and wants to destroy it. Top stars and role models are routinely punished, while the worst and most corrosive players are celebrated. He is like a teacher who only gives detention to the best students.

  26. There is no solution. Both sides are angry, and anger doesn’t solve anything. Protests just make people more angry, as we saw this weekend. Especially when your protests don’t have a specific, measurable goal in mind.

  27. The first thing they can do is have the owners pay back all the money the state gave them for the stadiums and use it to fund social justice programs. Stop the stadium funding in LA unless rams and chargers pay the whole costs themselves so the local community can fund minority programs! There’s a solution my friends and think of all the MONEY it would put in the hands of the underserved. Stop kneeling and looking like fools and start doing the right thing.

    I’m sure players would be willing to take less money on all of their contracts to share the burden with the owners. #givebackalltaxpayermoneytofundunity.

  28. Serious question here. Why do we even have a national anthem before sporting events but pretty much nowhere else in the entertainment world (no anthem before movies, concerts, etc.)? How did the anthem become attached to sports? Was it the Olympics?

  29. Protesting during the anthem makes the story about the act – not the subject matter the protest is supposed to address. The narrative on Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem became a story about Kaepernick and why he wasn’t employed as a quarterback. The narrative became about pig socks, a Fidel Castro shirt, a debate on whether his skills were worth the PR mess that came with him, etc. The narrative was about everything BUT what it was supposed to be about. And that’s the way it is now as well.

    The NFL – and the players – well, they’d be better of finding actual avenues to truly WORK for change. Avenues to actually DO something. Get into the communities, be true leaders, try to effect actual change.

    The anthem protests don’t do that. They don’t even spark the right conversations, as I mentioned above. But I guess they make the players feel like they are doing something – even though it is a largely ineffective (and maybe counter-productive in the long run) gesture and many of them aren’t doing much else of substance. The kneel, they play, they go home and check their investments. Not that there’s anything wrong with that – there’s not anything wrong with that at all. But that’s all they are really doing.

  30. How about we have the NFL commissioner enforce the rules that require standing at attention for the anthem.

    Those that refuse – first they get fined, if they persist they get suspended.

    If we can suspend one of the NFL’s most popular players for “allegedly” (all scientific evidence to the contrary) using a football that was a few ounces too light – I’m sure we cand suspend a player if we have photographic evidence that they were standing as required.

  31. My guess is that most of the players spend more time deciding how they’re going to protest than actually doing anything about whatever they’re protesting.

  32. Media should stop focusing on it. Don’t show guys kneeling during the anthem. They won’t, media is the reason the country is very divided. More than Obozo and orange clown have.

  33. For myself, this has given me the final reason to cut the cord. I thought about it last year during election season but held off because i liked to watch NFL and college football too. Now that things are heading this way, I don’t feel any qualms about stepping off the pay tv model.

  34. Seems like teams are trying to out-do each other regarding protests… Pretty soon the Giants will have Jay Z adding to the importance of their protests, and Katy Perry will be headlining the 49ners protest. Now that I think about it, this will be great for ratings!

  35. “The league needs to devise a vehicle for allowing all players to express concerns separate and apart from the anthem, which in turn will make it easier for teams to steer them away from using the anthem as a vehicle for protest.”

    Twitter.. Facebook.. Instagram? Aren’t these “vehicles” players can use to express their concerns?

    Stop using the league as the vehicle to express your concerns.

    If you want people to care about an issue, offer to speak in social settings, volunteer your time, donate to groups that are already working in the areas that concern you.

    Sure, it’s one thing to sit, kneel or hideaway in a tunnel/locker room it’s another to get out and work towards a solution.

  36. ocdn says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:40 am
    Stand if you like, kneel if you want, Uphold the 1st Amendment in the Constitution.
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    Sorry but kneeling for the anthem is NOT protected speech under the first amendment. The first amendment says clearly that the federal government cannot abridge free speech. But the NFL is a private company and free speech rights do not apply if owners decided tomorrow to have a rule that players must stand for the anthem. Any player failing to do so could be fired legally.

  37. Stop playing the national anthem before the game. Before this kneeling started, we never saw the anthem at home. It was another commercial break. That’s how much people actually cared. And, guess what I’m doing now that they are showing it? Using the bathroom, grabbing a beer, grabbing a snack, etc. Yes, I do stand for the anthem at games. But don’t pretend you’re so offended that you’re standing at home, hand on heart, singing, and will give up football if players kneel. Just like the Redskins issue, your fake altruism isn’t fooling me. BTW: the rating were sky high last weekend. Trump is finally bringing people together…against him…

  38. ch0rn says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:54 am
    “Can’t we all just get along” — some guy back in the day.

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    That wasn’t “some guy”. That was Rodney King.

  39. Why solve the “problem?” The people who wanted to boycott already did accept that they aren’t coming back, did just chalk it up as losses. Sign Kaep to the practice squad somewhere so he’s not “blackballed” and let’s get ready for some football.

  40. Time to involve the silent partners of the NFL – the sponsors. Shine the spotlight on the enablers. ATT is a major supporter of the Cowboys; Eva Bank is a long time supporter and Lyca mobile just joined Jacksonville as a Jaguar partner; HJ Heinz supports the Steelers … etc. Publish a list of each team’s major supporters and the endorsement deals for each NFL player. Let the customers (and NFL fans) of those supporters vote with their patronage. While I disagree with many of the things Kaepernick has said and done he had to know the career risk he was taking. It’s about time the other protestors showed the same courage!

  41. Whether at work or in the privacy of our own homes, how about we ACKNOWLEDGE there is a problem of inequality and we make a commitment as Americans to deal with it until there’s nothing to protest.

  42. NO ONE is saying these MILLIONAIRES cannot “protest”. What most Americans that oppose these photo opportunities oppose is the TIME AND PLACE of their childish antics. That, and the FACT that the NFL is failing to enforce its own rules on the matter. I am ALL FOR Kaepernick, Peters, Lynch, Marshall, etc. protesting whatever they want to protest, ON THEIR OWN TIME. Off-season, feel free to organize marches, make signs, hell even GIVE YOUR OWN DAMN MONEY to whatever cause you get excited over. But, when we are FOOTING THE BILL and paying to see football, then keep your political views to yourself and play the damn game.

  43. Funny how these folks literally don’t care that they are offending massive amounts of people so that they can bring attention to their cause.

    Is there a list somewhere of people that are okay to offend and ones who we’re not allowed to offend? It’s getting hard to keep track, but apparently it’s totally cool to offend individuals who consider the flag (and there are millions of them) a representation of the sacrifice many have made on behalf of our country. Clearly the media doesn’t care if these folks are offended. I haven’t seen a single mainstream media outlet decry these actions because of how deeply they are offending people. Why? Where is this list of who we’re allowed to offend without the media reprimanding?

  44. These players are supposed to be role models, they need to think long and hard what it means to be free. Think China would allow players to protest during their anthem? How many of these players gave money to any charity that raises awareness?? I think only 4 or 5 players actually volunteered their time to do anything about it. These players need to put up or shut up!

  45. I voted against Clinton (still would) but this sociopathic narcissist President threw gasoline a fire that was slowly dying bc he was pandering to his audience. He called out men and told them to shut up and get in line. Players are no longer protesting with Keapernic, they are rightfully protesting for their right to protest, there is nothing more American than that.
    If the NFL thought they had a problem last week, wait until the fights break out in the stands this week when half the fans start kneeling!

  46. You hear the booing. You see the people burning there jerseys. Maybe the NFL and the media members who talk on the pre and post game shows should pull there heads out of there hindquarters and see that they are killing the very thing that allows them to make there millions. It’s pretty simple keep ur politics away from paying customers. Most normal people in the real world can’t make political statements while at work without getting fired the NFL shouldn’t be any different.

  47. The ratings are out. ESPN claims ratings were up by 1% point over last year. After last season, ESPN announced they were using a different method to see who views their network. They are assuming the number of viewers per tune in. Like all liberal polling, numbers must be skewed in order to make it appear popular.

  48. The solution is for Trump to act presidential and focus on real issues like tensions with North Korea, helping those affected by the hurricanes (Houston, Florida, Puerto Rico), health care legislation, tax reform, Iran nuclear deal. There is so much more to focus on.

  49. So you’ve made people aware of inequality. Have those victims of it seen a cent or had their lives changed from it? Um no.
    But alot of hate has been incited, just look at these threads. Great victory nfl. You go girl!

  50. The solution?
    Stop playing the anthem.
    I am here to watch football.
    If one wants to show themselves as being proud Americans or needs to be reminded of it, there are other places to do that.

  51. The solution is to stop protesting our anthem. Millions of us equate that to messing with our family. You protest my anthem then I have no desire to hear what you have to say. Find another way that’s respectful of others and doesn’t take away from the game and cause the NFL to lose fans.

  52. I’m already done with this season. Football is no longer a fun diversion. Like everything else around us, it’s become a political drain. So tired of every day waking up to hear about how some group or person is outraged. Social media allows for everyone to voice their outrage, but unfortunately no one is taking any action. The 60s were about action. Today is about voicing outrage and getting validated by likes and re-tweets. I guess tweeting and kneeling feels like accomplishment. It’s not. It doesn’t move the needle at all. I’m just done caring about any of it.

  53. The solution?
    Stop playing the anthem.
    I’m here to watch football.
    There are other places to express and be reminded of being a proud American, if that is your thing.

  54. Fire the players that break league rules. If the NFL continues rolling over and ignoring their own rules, the “protests” will escalate. Be prepared for TD kneelings…it’s coming.

  55. 6jaws9 says:

    Maybe Trump is bringing the country together by dividing it?
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    If that were possible then Kaepernick would have brought the country together by dividing it.

  56. Read the U.S. flag code:
    http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html

    You’ll be shocked at how often we all violate it.
    4th of July plates and napkins: Nope
    Flag patches on your sports uniform: Nope
    Flag socks, t-shirts and bandannas: nope
    Carrying a flag horizontally: Nope
    Putting a flag on the trunk of your car at a parade: Nope
    Leaving you hat on: nope

    Kneeling: Nope, but apparently THIS ONE is important enough to start a national crisis.

  57. As far as the form of protest, I thought what the Cowboys did was perfect. Kneel in protest prior to the anthem in unity as a protest toward the equality issues, which was the intent of the protest in the first place, then stand up and respect the flag and the military. What is wrong with that?

    As far as the solution, that only comes when leaders in the country/state/community acknowledge that there is an equality issue and start to affect change. Showing love and unity in the NFL is a great start.

  58. The players claim it was never about disrespecting the anthem or military. If they are sincere- they should IMMEDIATELY issue a sincere apology (not for the kneeling or their feelings, but for the unintended consequences of angering and offending so many) and promise to never involve the anthem in their protest. They made their point, agree to disagree on the method of “protest” but agree to keep it off the field in future. The protests messaging became muddled anyway, and it is way more about grandstanding (“look at me”) and hasnt changed anything, anywhere…. This is why MOST companies forbid discussing politics and religion with clients/customers. There is no winner. They (NFL, Players/Coaches/Owners) started it- they need to come back hat-in-hand. It is they who need us (our money). We are the paying customers. Without us, they are in trouble.

  59. vikesfan320 says:

    Funny thing is that this whole thing was dying down until Trump opened up about it.
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    Wrong. It was dying down until the players decided to start protesting Kaepernick being umemployed.

  60. weepingjebus says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:54 am
    As I’ve said for years, nothing Goodell does makes any sense until you realize he hates the league and wants to destroy it. Top stars and role models are routinely punished, while the worst and most corrosive players are celebrated. He is like a teacher who only gives detention to the best students.

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    It’s very odd, isn’t it? But then again, if you get to the root of his agenda, it sort of all makes sense.

    He cheats certain players and/or teams for financial reasons and/or greed, and he suppports the kneelers because it would look bad if he didn’t, even though there is a slight ratings drop, partially from it.

    He knows a large chunk of the demographic is women (Ezekiell Elliott framejob) and a large part is African-American or minorities, with the idea of trying to expand the league overseas.

    Framing the Pats repeatedly, is tied to trying to gain public support, to deflect from something like Ray Rice and that creepy cover up, and hoping he can mantain parity, so other teams can make the playoffs, instead of the same ones.

    A league without real parity, can’t be sold overseas to investors of new stadiums, and those who wish to invest in general.

    So, once you figure out his angle, it’s pretty easy to see it, even if it is completely bizarre, since no other sports league behaves in this creepy, greedy fashion.

    I do hope this helps ratings drop more, though. Helps the union for the next CBA. It may be the leverage they need to take down Goodell in the end.

  61. I really can’t care any less what these athletes do or say. They exists for my entertainment only, just as the musicians and movie actors, whose opinions on anything outside their primary occupations mean absolutely nothing to me. I simply tune that noise out.

    As someone who was not born and raised in this great country I can’t grasp the point of playing the National Anthem at the sport games where the teams do not represent their Nations.

  62. ipdaily69 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:17 am
    Fire the players that break league rules. If the NFL continues rolling over and ignoring their own rules, the “protests” will escalate. Be prepared for TD kneelings…it’s coming.

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    There’s nothing wrong with kneeling for what you believe in in the endzone is there?

  63. Simple…football players play football, coaches coach and fans cheer for their teams. Everything else can happen outside the stadiums. No more using the platform of the NFL, that has been built on the backs of previous generations of players, for protests. Football has grown to immense popularity because it is an escape from the problems of the world. Keep politics and special interests OUT OF SPORTS.

  64. gtodriver says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:58 am
    How about we have the NFL commissioner enforce the rules that require standing at attention for the anthem.

    Those that refuse – first they get fined, if they persist they get suspended.

    If we can suspend one of the NFL’s most popular players for “allegedly” (all scientific evidence to the contrary) using a football that was a few ounces too light – I’m sure we cand suspend a player if we have photographic evidence that they were standing as required.
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    There is no such rule. I wish you would stop posting this lie. It was another social media scam.

  65. packmanfan says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:16 am
    The solution?
    Stop playing the anthem.
    I’m here to watch football.
    There are other places to express and be reminded of being a proud American, if that is your thing.

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    I feel like there are two views to that argument.

    One is that you are completely right. Nobody (or at least very few people) wants politics to infiltrate their entertainment on a weekly basis. That’s not why people watch sports.

    The other is, if you don’t interrupt entertainment and get people thinking about important issues, regardless of their viewpoint, then do the vast majority of people ever pay attention or get involved at all? I’m not so sure they would.

  66. The solution is easy keep alienating the FANS.

    Wait until advertisers leave and the salary cap drops.

    Then maybe some people will wake up and STAND.

    I just cancelled the red zone. Right now I could care less if the Patriots lose the rest of their games this season.

  67. I’m afraid the anthem protests have gone too far already.
    It’s gotten to the point where the players would rather impose their political ideology on the public than actually win the game.
    Sunday night was not a football game. It was a political statement by the Oakland Raiders. It does not matter how Carr tries to take the blame. He didn’t sit or kneel for the anthem, so his WRs and OL taught him a lesson.
    Apparently, the Raiders do not care that it cost them 1 of their 16 games to indulge themselves in this self righteous protest against the white POTUS. They sure showed him!!!
    Also, they do not seem to acknowledge that the consequences may be waaay worse than merely missing the play offs.
    I felt ill while watchng that “game”! I’m a Raider-lifer. Since the 70s powerhouse era. I’ve suffered through the last 15 years of bad play by the team, just like the rest of the Raider Nation. But NOTHING hurt more than watching them tank on Sunday night.
    Nothing.
    Not the Gruden-Bowl. Not the Snowbowl tuck rule game. Not the immaculate reception or the Jamarcus Russell era.
    I’m not kidding. The NFL has a very big problem on their hands and no real way to turn it around.
    I don’t really expect this comment to get past the moderators. I just want YOU to know. This is what MILLIONS of people are thinking. You don’t help the situation by fanning the flames.
    60 million people voted for Trump. The democrats lost 1,042 seats, at every level of govt, nation wide. They lost 900 State Legislators. NINE HUNDRED They lost the House, the Senate, AND the Supreme Court. They lost 5 special elections since the inauguration. They pumped $30,000,000 into John Ossoff’s Georgia campaign. What happened? He got SMOKED like the Raiders did Sunday night. Clearly, America has had enough of the abortion, open borders, “I identify as a tree today”, “you didn’t build that”, transgender bathroom illegal immigrant, Muslim advocating POTUS from the last 8!yrs.
    Way to have your finger on the pulse of America, Florio. Do you really think you can use the popularity of the NFL to shame Trump supporters?
    I’m not even American and I can see what’s happening from here. You idiots n the media are doing Trump’s campaigning for him for 2020.

  68. If players, owners, even yard crew workers want to make a protest do it on their own time.
    Get together and use their own funds to purchase commercial ad time to express their concerns. Or hire an attorney to print their concerns in a readable message. Stop using free air time as a platform before the games.

    For fans sick of the protest, stop attending games, stop watching games, stop buying NFL merchandise and NFL sponsored products. Hit the owners and league were it hurts in their pockets.

  69. I’ve had NFL season tickets since 1999. I will not renew next year. Thank you Michael Bennett and big mouth Richard Sherman for ruining my Seahawks for me.

    I’ve switched my loyalty to Spanish football. #halamadrid

  70. I think all communities need to work harder at understanding the other side. And all communities need to look in the mirror as to how they can do a better job of regulating behavior.

    I understand if a segment of society feels targeted by police, however, I also understand how police have to be worn down by dealing with some of the harshest areas in society.

    I respect the military, the flag the police and also the absolute freedom to express our beliefs in our society.

    Trump seems to be best at picking and politicizing battles. He also seems best at drawing our attention away from his inadequacies at running our country.

  71. It is up to each individual owner, NOT the league, NOT the 1st amendment. The owner has the authority to set a workplace policy and the discipline for violating the policy.

    I do take issue that if you can support one side of the issue but no the other. See Dallas Cowboys Arm & Arm helmet decal.

  72. There’s never going to be any one solution. A protest that is only permitted at certain times and places then ceases to be a protest. Specifically, if players are not permitted to “protest” during the anthem, then what exactly are they protesting?
    I personally think it’s the wrong place and time. It’s a sacred 2 minutes, while not illegal, displays of protest and activism in that moment goes against the mores / folkways of our society. It’s not that you can’t do it, but if society allows it, what’s sacred anymore? Where’s the order? Tradition? Why must the majority always bend over backwards for the select few that are not comfortable?
    There are always multiple views or positions to any topic or event. Could the answer be that the select few who have an issue find a way to get up to speed with the rest of society? Think about school, and the kid in math class that can’t figure it out. Should we stop the progress of the entire class to help the one kid? Or, get the one kid some extra help so that he can get up to speed with the rest of the class and continue to move forward?
    Political correctness is interwoven in this “protest” debate, and PC rejection ultimately landed Trump as President. Let’s understand that there will never be a single answer that appeases everyone. But stop putting stress on the 95% majority for appeasement of the 5%. This is equivalent to giving everyone trophies. It fails to recognize sometimes you don’t get what you want. This is life and truth, and it’s OK. As much as the call exists for the 95% to try to see the 5%, my position is for the 5% to better understand the 95%.
    Bottom line, don’t protest the anthem for the same reasons you don’t yell BOMB on a plane.

  73. No solution will be found. That would require a clear message. A clear problem. Even Kaepernick didn’t have a clear message. He complained about oppression yet wears a Castro shirt. I can’t tell if he hates oppression or loves it. Very confusing times.

  74. The easiest solution would be for people to not worry about whether someone else is standing,kneeling or doing cartwheels. If you believe you should stand for the anthem then stand for the anthem and then spend the rest of the day thinking about your life and your loved ones and how you can make their day better instead of wasting it being angry at somebody that doesn`t even know you exist.

  75. I’ve decided at the next Seahawks home game, I am going to stand for the anthem and sit for player introductions!

  76. Just play a different song. Play God Bless America or something – people who want to act like superpatriots can stand up, and people that want to virtue signal can sit or kneel, and then we can all get on with our lives and watch some effing football.

  77. Solution? This whole thing started because of a false narrative that was aimed at dividing, with no intentions of making things better. Solutions mean creating dialogue. Screaming racist anytime someone has an opposing opinion or facts isn’t a way to create that dialogue

  78. I’ve had NFL season tickets since 1999. I will not renew next year. Thank you Michael Bennett and big mouth Richard Sherman for ruining my Seahawks for me.
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    Without those two, you don’t sniff those 2 Super Bowls you were in a few years ago.

  79. aarons444 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:42 am
    Without those two, you don’t sniff those 2 Super Bowls you were in a few years ago.
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    AND??

    Completely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

  80. A protest is only worthy of being held if there’s a problem that can garner sufficient support to influence change. In this case, 95% of America doesn’t see &/or experience the racism they claim exists. So, the “protest” just becomes a “look at me” moment for those trying to fight for a cause that has no problem…at least not a very big one, and certainly not one worthy of this much social discourse. Back in the 50’s & 60’s, sure, there was a big problem. Today…well, not so much. This is all just a bunch of nonsense…trying to create an issue where there isn’t one & hasn’t been one for several decades. This is more about Leftists grandstanding to defy a President they didn’t vote for than an actual social issue. In fact, the actual “social issue” is between their own ears.

    Turn off the NFL!

  81. Here’s the solution…

    Play the first verse of “Life Every Voice and Sing” prior to the national anthem. Let each individual choose to act how they want during either song.

  82. briang123 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:15 am

    Lower ratings and loss of money will fix the problem rather quickly.
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    Nope. Then the media and players will portray the players as victims and martyrs. Then it only gets worse.

  83. Stand for the anthem and the flag in unity with the vast majority of Americans who believe in freedom and justice and equality and stop dividing the country and calling people the leftists don’t like racists.

  84. That’s up to the guys doing the protesting. None of them have offered any solutions, which makes their protests hollow and inauthentic.

  85. Here’s the solution…

    Play the first verse of “Lift Every Voice and Sing” prior to the national anthem. Let each individual choose to act how they want during either song.

  86. kcrobert10 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:11 am
    You hear the booing. You see the people burning there jerseys. Maybe the NFL and the media members who talk on the pre and post game shows should pull there heads out of there hindquarters and see that they are killing the very thing that allows them to make there millions. It’s pretty simple keep ur politics away from paying customers. Most normal people in the real world can’t make political statements while at work without getting fired the NFL shouldn’t be any different.

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    You hear the booing. You see the people burning their crosses saying James Meredith will never come to the University of Alabama. The Little Rock 9 will never come to our schools. Keep your politics away from us. Really?

    And you can protest on your employers time if your employer does not object to it. Thought I saw most of the owners out there locking arms.

  87. That is part of the solution but they want to protest social injustice which includes their belief that they are mistreated by law enforcement and there are hundreds of law enforcement officers there protecting them and the fans during the game. How do you think those brave men and women feel when they are on the field seeing a protest against them? They need to move the protest completely out of the stadium and just play football.

  88. NFL Employees in London knelt in protest for our song and stood for theirs. Keep letting that sink in. That’s a poop stain you can’t get out.

  89. Americas favorite brand says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:51 am
    Good article Florio. It was unbiased and spoke intelligently. You are right to point out those that have hit the right answer. They have separated the protest away from ‘disrespecting the flag’. And having done so they have taken the first step to recognize and respect the views of the other side. Now its time to reciprocate and give their protest and the point they were trying to make equal recognition and respect.

    Im no Trump supporter but he may have called this one right in his own tangerine circus clown way. Because of my opinion of him my own feeling is that its just a case of an out of control raving lunatic accidentally saying the right thing. But I do think that might have just happened.

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    Al the downvotes to the idea of each side respecting the views of the other and reaching agreement confirm a theory I had. There is no interest in reaching agreement, both sides just want to fight about it.

  90. When each side does not interact with each other in ordinary settings, divides won’t be fixed. Players could use their appeal to bring both sides to events where both sides interact with each other. It would do much more good than just protesting ever would. Present it as a “behave well and we’ll stay for a meet and greet”.

    Protesters would be better off doing the protest before the anthem then standing for the anthem. You don’t bring supporters to your cause by pissing large numbers of people off or making them believe that you are either misguided or disrespectful.

    Big picture though, do something that has substance.

  91. I think the NFL should just take it to the next level. Rename themselves the CHFL, the Cop-Hating Football League. Then just have Conference One and Conference Two.

    Because this SURE AS HELL isn’t the NATIONAL Football League anymore.

  92. Can you imagine if you are in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban and ISIS and other terrorists and you tune into one of these NFL games, which they do, Armed Forces Network has every game for our military people. And you’re sitting there and you see this, how do you think you feel?

  93. Big_Mike392 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:49 am
    briang123 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:15 am

    Lower ratings and loss of money will fix the problem rather quickly.
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    Nope. Then the media and players will portray the players as victims and martyrs. Then it only gets worse.

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    True, but if the goal is to bounce cheater Goodell and to get a more fair CBA, then it could be a great thing in the end.

  94. manzoa says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:03 am
    ocdn says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:40 am
    Stand if you like, kneel if you want, Uphold the 1st Amendment in the Constitution.
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    Sorry but kneeling for the anthem is NOT protected speech under the first amendment. The first amendment says clearly that the federal government cannot abridge free speech. But the NFL is a private company and free speech rights do not apply if owners decided tomorrow to have a rule that players must stand for the anthem. Any player failing to do so could be fired legally.
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    1) President Trump putting pressure on owners by telling consumers to boycott the NFL is a violation of the 1st Amendment, because in case you didn’t realize it, the President of the United States is part of the federal government.

    2) You’re right- if the owners wanted to, they could stop it tomorrow. How long do they have to continue to NOT do that before you realize that they obviously have no intention of doing so?

  95. Maybe in the pre game. The NFL has a pre pre game where the players get together at the video console and play the game. That way the problem is solved and best part is that there are no concussions, CTE or torned whatevers. Then the best part for the fans. Then media companies would be cut out and we could have our lives back.?????

  96. It seems to me they announce the anthem with something like the following “To Honor America, please stand for the singing of the National Anthem….” So if you choose not to stand, you seem to be choosing not to honor America….yet that is not what we hear the players say they intend so it seems they need another way to voice their concerns.

  97. manzoa says:

    September 26, 2017 at 10:03 am

    ocdn says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:40 am
    Stand if you like, kneel if you want, Uphold the 1st Amendment in the Constitution.
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    Sorry but kneeling for the anthem is NOT protected speech under the first amendment. The first amendment says clearly that the federal government cannot abridge free speech. But the NFL is a private company and free speech rights do not apply if owners decided tomorrow to have a rule that players must stand for the anthem. Any player failing to do so could be fired legally.
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    You are correct in the statement “The federal government cannot abridge free speech”, but no where does it say you cannot kneel or you have to stand. It does say you have the right: not to speak ( Specifically the right not to salute the flag)- West Virginia board of education vs. Barnetie, 319 US 624 (1943). You are also correct in stating the NFL is a private company but restricting a person to exercise their first amendment right in public and firing that person, Especially when you have some owners arm in arm with the players, sending a mixed message. Remember, they’re paying those players salary as well.

  98. Just like the “solution” to Vietnam War protests was ending the war, the only “solution” to the current protests is police officers stop harassing and killing minorities — or at the very least, they start going to jail when they do.

  99. Or here’s an idea, don’t want players making political statements? Get politics out of football. The Pentagon has been paying the NFL millions since 2009 for these “patriotic” displays, in a desperate attempt to gain public approval for what they are doing with our money. Not to mention the Pentagon may be a little touchy after STEALING $6.5 trillion from us all. Be sure and salute on their cue like a good minion though.

  100. Whether a sports fan or not, EVERYONE is aware now of the protests and why. So mission accomplished. Awareness raised. Now, those that feel so strongly, take time out of your DAY OFF and go start the conversation with the local police chief and others in power that can help to make a difference in your mind with the racial injustices going on in this country. It started with cops killing blacks. Maybe spend a night in a ride along with a cop, get a feel for his life and what they deal with every day. For something to get done it takes more than kneeling at the anthem. Just like wearing pink doesn’t cure breast cancer.

  101. Question for those demanding politics and sports be kept separate? Is there an arena or forum wherein black men should (or can) wield their collective influence, that is, their political influence that you approve of? The boardroom? The courts? I guess hip hop, they can have that.

    A lot of talk of sports being about escapism, followed shortly thereafter by pointed (albeit unread) reminders to the player so that they’re employees and should just do their jobs. You see the connection? They’re providing you with a service, and they’re an elite group of young men who’ve earned the right to help you escape. Without them you have no Fantasy, you’re less fanatical than you could be (about your team). Politics isn’t the simply the binary partisan nonsense you’ve been weened on, politics are the processes and outcomes that define human interactions.

    You think you have a say. You do. You also think you have the power. You don’t.

  102. Look,

    People have a right to protest under the 1st Amendment without government action, and a business has the right to decide what is acceptable for it’s employees to do at work.

    I hate Ck, and have posted numerous times that I think he is scum,and considering that my wife, sister and brother in law are all cops I feel that I have some skin in the game. I also feel like people should stand for the anthem, and that protesting should be done on their own time and not at work.

    With that said, I don’t control the NFL as a workplace, and they have a right to allow players to protest without punishment if they see fit, and players have a right to protest without government punishment.

    Regardless if I agree with their stance-I will stand here and defend the right of someone to protest without fear of government action, and the right of any employer to decide what their employees can and can’t do while at the workplace.

    Rights in this country can’t just apply when they are convenient or fit the narrative you like.

    With all that said, while Trump also has a right to send tweets and shoot his mouth off, I have right to say that perhaps he should focus on things like the fact that major hurricanes hammered Florida, put Houston under water, and completely destroyed the US territory of Puerto Rico.

    For a President who claims to put America first above anything else, actions speak louder than words.

  103. stellarperformance says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:28 am
    Do you know what disrespects our flag and our country? The confederate flag. Start there.

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    Very true. It’s the equivalent of a German citizen flying a Nazi flag.

    Then again, some Southerners aren’t the brightest bulbs in the shed.

  104. I can offer a solution to the “police brutality” problem, that seems to work in my community. It is small, 20,000 people, with every skin color under the sun. I sponsor a “How to not get shot by a cop” seminar every three months, have done for two and a half years. It is a rather simple one night event that gives common sense advice. Don’t run, don’t pull a weapon, or, anything that can look like a weapon, if you are carrying, advise the cop, don’t take a swing at him, etc. It is a packed house every time. I encourage every parent to bring their children over eight years old. I have cops, lawyers, and social services representatives there to talk and answer questions and give advice. Guess what? It costs me nothing but a few phone calls and two hours of my time!!
    It would seem to me that I accomplish more than Kaepernick or the players kneeling or any other protest.
    Any fool with two functioning brain cells can protest, but, it takes at least three to try to find a partially functional solution.

    Any fool can protest, but, it requires

  105. Here’s the deal folks, and I’m sure I’ll get plenty of hatred for this one.

    Being an American is like being married. If you don’t love her for what she is, right here and right now, then get out.

    And this is not some kind of mindless rant. I say this because there’s no guarantee things will EVER get better, and even if they don’t we’re in the best possible situation there is on the planet right now.

    Like Jack Nicholson once said: “What if this is as good as it gets?!”

    And what if it is, haters? What do you do then? Get out now before you get even more stressed by this supposedly oppressive country. Take your insults and your false narratives with you. We don’t need any more damaging static in this nation, we have plenty to keep us busy.

  106. I fully support equal justice under the law and equal treatment for everyone, but I don’t understand why an employer is obligated to provide a means for employees to protest during their work day. My employer does not do that, so why should the NFL? The NFL is not stopping anyone from expressing their views or protesting. Players are free to do that on their own time — just like everyone else.

  107. emphraser says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:24 am

    Question for those demanding politics and sports be kept separate? Is there an arena or forum wherein black men should (or can) wield their collective influence, that is, their political influence that you approve of? The boardroom? The courts? I guess hip hop, they can have that.
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    How about wielding their influence in the communities that need it?

    Taking a knee during the National Anthem accomplishes absolutely nothing, except for creating division.

  108. riverhorsey says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:59 am
    We teach kids not to name call but Trump teaches them to call people names. Why should or would the NFL and players listen to him about any rules ?……………….

    The left has been on a non stop name calling mission since Trump was elected. It’s nothing more than Trump Derangement Syndrome, as is most of the anthem protests

  109. topcide says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:26 am
    Look,

    People have a right to protest under the 1st Amendment without government action, and a business has the right to decide what is acceptable for it’s employees to do at work.

    I hate Ck, and have posted numerous times that I think he is scum,and considering that my wife, sister and brother in law are all cops I feel that I have some skin in the game. I also feel like people should stand for the anthem, and that protesting should be done on their own time and not at work.

    With that said, I don’t control the NFL as a workplace, and they have a right to allow players to protest without punishment if they see fit, and players have a right to protest without government punishment.
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    And show me ONE post or statement that says they don’t!! Just one. Trump never said it. I’ve never said it. I haven’t read any posts here that say these fools should be punished by the government!

    This is the kind of thing we don’t need. This kind of straw man BS puts words in people’s mouths that they’ve NEVER SAID. You need to stop twisting this up even worse than it already is. YOU are part of the problem, not the solution.

  110. well to learn that the dept.of defense who is always asking for money is paying the NFL for players to come out for it is the biggest joke of it all.

  111. The protesters are arguing for something that already exists (racial equality is guaranteed under the law, and a Harvard study — by a black man — proved there is no racial bias in police shootings)… so the solution is for them to stop fighting for something they already have and stand up for the national anthem.

  112. The Cowboys showed a great way of dealing with it last night, and I hope every team adopts it. If anyone has a problem with taking a knee before the anthem, then it was never about the anthem to begin with.

  113. jimmysee says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:44 am
    The solution? The police stop shooting unarmed black men. For starters.

    People get shot because they don’t comply. It doesn’t matter what damn color you are. Do what an officer says and everything is fine…

  114. lukedunphysscienceproject says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:20 am
    Next time you are at an NFL game, go into the concourse and ask the thousands of fans in there buying beer and hotdogs or relieving themselves (hopefully in a bathroom) why they aren’t honoring the flag.

    *This is a dumb argument. Those people aren’t buying hot dogs as some sort of display of disdain for their country. Don’t try and tell me this isn’t about hating America, Kaep flat out said it was from the beginning. He said America was never great, and that cops were like slave patrol.

    While. Wearing. A. Castro. Shirt.

  115. ringheadcrusher says:

    September 26, 2017 at 11:34 am

    Here’s the deal folks, and I’m sure I’ll get plenty of hatred for this one.

    Being an American is like being married. If you don’t love her for what she is, right here and right now, then get out.
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    Your argument is the absolute worst argument I have ever read on PFT, or any other webpage. Your “love it or leave it” attitude would constitute Americans still having taxation without representation, slaughtering of Native Americans, Slavery, Women Not being able to vote, and countless other atrocities and discrimination in our country.

    I can agree to disagree with every single person on PFT, except you. Anybody that has the same “love it or leave it” attitude should be embarrassed. And, I would also ask of you, do you live the same life mantra? Change nothing? Because that would be a fools way to live.

  116. smarter than you says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:59 am
    lukedunphysscienceproject says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:20 am
    Next time you are at an NFL game, go into the concourse and ask the thousands of fans in there buying beer and hotdogs or relieving themselves (hopefully in a bathroom) why they aren’t honoring the flag.

    *This is a dumb argument. Those people aren’t buying hot dogs as some sort of display of disdain for their country. Don’t try and tell me this isn’t about hating America, Kaep flat out said it was from the beginning. He said America was never great, and that cops were like slave patrol.

    While. Wearing. A. Castro. Shirt.
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    I didn’t compare them to Kaep. I’m simply saying that if it so important to stand stock still with your hat in one hand and the other hand over your heart while facing the flag during the national anthem in order to give proper respect for our military and our country, why is it OK for thousands of fans each week to completely ignore it?

  117. joe6606 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:57 am
    Just stop playing the anthem. Boom problem solved

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    Umm, the problem is racial inequality and police abuse towards minorities.

    So, what you’d be saying is two things:

    1. The kneeling is almost pointless (which it is).
    2. The REAL problem, would yet again be glossed over.

    We need to standardize police qualifications in this country, which means we need to have State Police-level quality officers at all levels, which means MORE revenue needs to be generated, which means legalzing marijuana and using those revenues to accomplish this without raising taxes.

    Legal fees, administration, court and time costs, would all be reduced for pot possession “crimes” as well, which would be a cost savings to any state or municipality.

  118. I find it odd when someone who hasn’t experienced racism tells someone who has experienced it that there is no issue or that it is a false narrative. How do you know it is false?

    Perhaps the point of this, like it or not, is to get people trying to understand one another.

  119. The NFL should set up a social justice charity, similar to what they did with domestic violence a few years ago. Even it it’s mainly for show, it would be evidence that they’re taking the players’ concerns seriously.

  120. I published my idea for solving this issue last night. Better than Trump’s idea, probably better than anything here. And the only real losers with my solution are the people who sing the national anthem.

    Because no solution is perfect…

  121. Adam says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:03 am
    “The league needs to devise a vehicle for allowing all players to express concerns separate and apart from the anthem, which in turn will make it easier for teams to steer them away from using the anthem as a vehicle for protest.”

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    No it doesn’t. The NFL is about playing football…..not a forum for players or anyone else to express their concerns on anything other than football. Has our entire country gone insane?

  122. Using freedom of speech to kneel during the national anthem of the Country that very specifically grants you freedom of speech…

    This is irony.

  123. Who made it a rule that the national anthem must be played prior to sporting events? Play it at military and political events only. They’re the only ones capable of loving and respecting our flag and our country anyway, right?

  124. The solution is really very simple and many of the anti-protest crowd have been saying it since the Kap thing blew up. Just find a different forum for the protest other than disrespecting the flag/anthem/country and what they stand for.

  125. sigh…..I think I’m just going to go watch the ‘Jimi Hendrix playing the Star Spangled Banner at Woodstock’ video.

    I need the inspiration. Whenever I hear someone sing it, no matter how great the singer is, there’s always a few words that I wish came out differently, or were emphasized differently. Maybe it’s time I take mu own shot at it. I can’t sing, but I’ll reach for my telecaster and begin working on my own rendition tonight. Not that I can play anywhere close to Jimi, because I can’t, and I won’t intend on trying to replicate any of the effects he made using his guitar.

    I just need the inspiration that I can draw from him.

  126. Invite a severely wounded, armless, legless (or both) soldier or Marine in full uniform to sing the anthem from a wheelchair, and let the spoiled millionaire players demanding equality see what it’s really like to be less than equal.

  127. why is there a need for a solution? the right talks about not being so politically correct and not getting so bent out of shape about stuff that impacts “snowflakes”. well, how about those who are offended by the quiet, civil protest take it easy and not get so enraged by it. it doesn’t effect you so why do you care? if it offends you, just do what you tell black people to do when they get mad about a confed statue: just ignore it and understand it is part of our history. well guess what, peaceful protest is also part of our history so calm down. and if you really don’t like it and feel the need to do something, then boycott the game and help drive ticket prices down for the rest of us who don’t give a crap about what other people do or believe.

  128. The league needs to devise a vehicle for allowing all players to express concerns separate and apart from the anthem, which in turn will make it easier for teams to steer them away from using the anthem as a vehicle for protest.
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    It already has. Post game-interviews allow them to actually articulate their concerns with far less chance of misinterpreting their intended meaning. Funny thing here, journalists are their to report things to the public. Wouldn’t that be the ideal place for those things?

  129. At this point all the protests are doing is inciting anger, distracting from the game, sullying the NFL’s reputation and making the experience pretty miserable.

    People have grown weary of the constant culture of whining and victimization in this country. Whether you watch a movie, TV, go on social media, check the news, turn on a late-night talk show, an awards show and now watch a game, you can’t escape it. I didn’t vote for Trump, but I hope he gets re-elected now just to spite the drama queens of the country who are tearing us apart with their relentless complaining.

  130. Last week fewer than 10 players protested. This week over 300 did. There’s nobody to blame for the escalation but the Donald. He LOVES sowing division – it’s really the only play he has. And yes, it was TOTALLY racist. Listen to all of the things he has said about it. There’s a deep element of “us vs them” in his words.

  131. atepper001 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 12:33 pm
    why is there a need for a solution? the right talks about not being so politically correct and not getting so bent out of shape about stuff that impacts “snowflakes”. well, how about those who are offended by the quiet, civil protest take it easy and not get so enraged by it. it doesn’t effect you so why do you care? if it offends you, just do what you tell black people to do when they get mad about a confed statue: just ignore it and understand it is part of our history. well guess what, peaceful protest is also part of our history so calm down. and if you really don’t like it and feel the need to do something, then boycott the game and help drive ticket prices down for the rest of us who don’t give a crap about what other people do or believe.
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    That’s funny. You do see the irony here, right? If your flip flop advice works for you then why not apply the same standard to the players complaining about being oppressed? How many oppressed millionaires have you met? Both sides should stop the drama. There was no reason to antagonize millions of Americans while making a statement. Many protesters cannot simply make a protest.That just doesn’t get them the attention they want. When they do it, they want others to experience some sort of pain or inconvenience from their protest because if they won’t listen at least they get hurt a little. That’s why people sit in the streets to stop traffic and it is why some players protest during the anthem. That does not make the protest valid. It takes away from the actual issue and focuses attention on the protest and protesters instead. Smart tactics, huh?

  132. onereasonableman says:
    September 26, 2017 at 12:16 pm
    I find it odd when someone who hasn’t experienced racism tells someone who has experienced it that there is no issue or that it is a false narrative. How do you know it is false?

    Perhaps the point of this, like it or not, is to get people trying to understand one another.

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    Well, I think that person is being ignorant. The fact is, even white people have experienced racism at one point or another, unless you literally were born in some rural area with no minorities and never left home before.

    That said, educated, rational people are well aware racism and unfortunate nastiness exists at a far more frequent rate for minorities, to the point it becomes part of their existence in society.

    The truth is, though, MOST white people, if not the large majority are as hurt by this stuff as much as the direct victims.

    My ancestors didn’t fight wars to stop this crap, only to see it still occur here at home in 2017.

    Sucks.

  133. Dear Mr. FLorio,

    With all due respect, you wrote that “The key is the word “pre-anthem.” The league needs to find a way, separate and apart from the national anthem, to allow players to raise concerns about racial equality and social justice without doing it during the national anthem.”

    I strenuously disagree that the key word is “pre-anthem.” It is the “key word” only if you accept the necessity of performing the anthem and honoring the flag before a game – in any sport! To not question that necessity is to continue thinking “inside-the-box.”

    In essence, the anthem and the flag have NOTHING TO DO with football or any other sport. There is simply no valid reason to play the song and flaunt the flag before games. In any sport. Sports are sports, and there’s nothing wrong with being an athlete or a fan. Patriotism is patriotism, and there’s nothing wrong with being patriotic (in the truest sense of the word). But where is it written that the two are one and the same? Joined-at-the-hip? And that we can’t have one without the other?

    I understand that football is an enormous part of American culture. What I don’t understand is why it has anything to do with patriotism or the flag. It is just a sport! In any crowd of people at any sporting event, there are as many opinions and belief systems as there are people. The common ground is that those people are there to watch and enjoy a sporting event, not to prove their patriotism or their Americanism

    If the practise were to cease immediately, the opportunity to “disrespect” either the anthem or the flag would disappear. It seems like everybody who comments on this is has very strong and passionate feelings on this “anthem” subject, and I think that’s a good thing. But everybody is also thinking inside the box.

    This entire situation would disappear if the anthem were simply not played at all prior to games. An earlier comment on this post made the excellent suggestion to move the anthem to halftime, and that seems like an intelligent and, frankly, wonderful compromise solution. Personally, I’ve long been an advocate of performing it at the end of games, if it needs to be performed at games at all.

    All the current hoopla surrounding this issue would simply cease to exist if the apparent (and nationally-insecure) need to combine sports and so-called patriotism were seen as simply one of many belief systems.

    Again, personally, I see the issue as one of national insecurity. The idea that combining sports with nationalism is the only way for us to prove that we’re “true Americans” is not only abhorrent, it’s dangerous. A fact of which we are just now becoming aware.

    Just as each of us celebrates touchdowns in our own unique way, we should have the freedom to play or watch sports and to demonstrate our “patriotism” and our love of country in any way we choose, as long as we don’t hurt anybody! Is that not our inalienable right under our Constitution?

  134. How about having the media stop covering the story? Or how about the snowflakes get over the kneeling. Kneeling isn’t a sign of disrespect, don’t you kneel in church? Are you being disrespectful when you are kneeling? No. The USA isn’t perfect and we need to improve that is all that this is about. Let it go.

  135. If I understand the original intention of playing the anthem prior to sporting events, it was to appreciate the privilege of making a living while playing a game. This arose when many athletes in the past who served in the military died or returned injured and could not resume or pursue their sports gigs. The anthem was also meant to remind fans and players that we are people who unify to protect and preserve our land, regardless of the sports team banner fans and teams fly during games. In other words, Vikings and Packers fans are actually on the same side, as are Yankees and Red Sox fans, in the grand scheme of things. From my understanding, standing for the anthem was a way to show respect for those who could not stand for themselves due to being dead or injured, and to thank them for standing up for the rest of the nation and protecting it. If my definition is correct, then standing shows fearlessness, strength, and unity, while kneeling or sitting shows submission, division, and defeat. Personally, I feel that there is no end-all-be-all solution to current events. America has always been known as a people of differing opinions who ban together when necessary. But I do think that the anthem is a figurative way for us to show that we can display our strength of banning together by agreeing to do the same thing while the song is playing, instead of appearing like a divided nation. Otherwise, the world perceives that division as a weakness from within and may attack us by using it against us. (Just my two cents. Feel free to disagree. I’m content with someone disagreeing with me, since we are in America.)

  136. Who goes to any sporting event for the national anthem? I do not know of anyone that does.Stop playing it as it isn’t required.

  137. How ’bout instead of protesting, doing something to fix your perceived problem?

    Meet with leaders. Try to find a solution.

    Because as it appears right now, like most “civil disobedience” this is simply protest for the sake of protest.

  138. “The league needs to find a way, separate and apart from the national anthem, to allow players to raise concerns about racial equality and social justice without doing it during the national anthem.” No, let’s just play and watch football. I don’t need to see the cause of the day. If the players want to raise concerns they can do it on a comment board like everyone else who has a job does — not at their work (This is my lunch hour, so I’m good here).

  139. willycents says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:32 am
    Don’t run, don’t pull a weapon, or, anything that can look like a weapon, if you are carrying, advise the cop, don’t take a swing at him, etc. It is a packed house every time.
    ________________________________________________________
    You mean like Philander Castile?
    …..and if you do your research it goes on and on.

    Why should a child in a playground lose his life because a police officer feels he is threatened by a toy gun?

  140. My solution is to DVR the game, starting at kickoff time. I start watching the game about 30 minutes after the scheduled start. This practice allows me to skip any coverage of millionaires acting like babies, and also commercials. Winning!

  141. lightningbuggs says:
    September 26, 2017 at 1:14 pm
    How ’bout instead of protesting, doing something to fix your perceived problem?
    Meet with leaders. Try to find a solution.
    Because as it appears right now, like most “civil disobedience” this is simply protest for the sake of protest.

    ————

    The NFL teams and players spend millions getting involved in their communities. They definitely are putting their money and time where their mouth is. That is something everyone should go look at. It’s definitely not just protest for protest sake.

  142. nomesayin says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:28 am

    That was the best post I have EVER read on this site…spot on truth

  143. How about following the league’s own rules about demonstrations and showboating. Look what OBJ did this Sunday. The NFL can find a platform for these players, off company time. Let’s see how many show up o their day off to hold a symposium or two. Instead, they have chosen to remain idle in the brain department. The NFL will go into decline and they will all pretend it’s got everything to do with everything else but the protests. Seriously, I thought I would go crazy without football. Football is no more and I feel quite fine. I just go to sites for comments, but never to discuss scores or a missed flag or anything. The NBA got cut off last year and so did ESPN. I have so much free time and catching up on books I’ve been wanting to read.

  144. The solution is…dont protest the anthem. That’s literally the only thing I’ve ever come across as an issue with anyone Ive heard talk about it.

    No one thinks racism, police brutality, etc aren’t issues.

    But the protesters are using the anthem as a way to gain attention that is the issue. It shouldnt be used like that.

    Protest at the coin toss, protest at post game interviews, whatever. Keep the flag and anthem out of the way of it. I dont buy this, “But the anthem isnt what they are protesting!” line. No, they are willingly choosing to protest at that moment. If I say chose to protest at someone’s funeral that teachers dont get paid enough yeah, my protest is about teacher pay, but thats the wrong place to do it.

  145. ghostlight13 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:18 am
    Read the U.S. flag code:
    http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html

    You’ll be shocked at how often we all violate it.
    4th of July plates and napkins: Nope
    Flag patches on your sports uniform: Nope
    Flag socks, t-shirts and bandannas: nope
    Carrying a flag horizontally: Nope
    Putting a flag on the trunk of your car at a parade: Nope
    Leaving you hat on: nope

    Kneeling: Nope, but apparently THIS ONE is important enough to start a national crisis.

    —————————-

    Can’t believe someone has to explain this, but here goes. Most of those things mentioned are means of celebrating the flag or the country or a holiday. The others are merely faux pas that if mentioned to someone (wearing a hat or carrying a flag horizontally) they would likely correct because they didn’t know that it is looked down upon.

    Kneeling during the flag is an intentional act of disrespect.

    See the difference now?

  146. torgow says:
    September 26, 2017 at 12:29 pm

    Using freedom of speech to kneel during the national anthem of the Country that very specifically grants you freedom of speech…

    This is irony.
    ————————

    Irony is people calling protesters un-American for disrespecting the military, when the military fights for the freedom of people to protest.

  147. Stand for the National Anthem.Pay your respect for those who serve our Great Country Plain & simple. Do it on your dime not mine. Fans pay way too much money to go watch a football game & have these guys making 20 million a year use it for their own agenda.This is the wrong platform the players themselves say they don’t mean to show no disrespect. Simple solution STAND AND BE PROUD.

  148. This is really simple. If you exercise your right to kneel, I will exercise my right to bash you for it. I won’t listen to your reasons for doing it, I will simply thing your a d bag for doing so and move on with my life.

  149. While i would never sit/kneel during the anthem and i wish that they would find another way to protest the people spewing the “they should find another way” line wouldn`t be talking about it if they had done it another way. For all the screwed up things Trump and NFL players have done it is our fault! The American people are the ones who have made it to where there has to be negativity or something that offended us to get our attention. If they hadn`t done it in a way that offended most of you then you wouldn`t have noticed so another way wouldn`t have worked and that`s on us not them. “We the people” still run the country we`re just the ones who would rather watch Jerry Springer or the Kardasions or do meth than be positive role models. We point at sports and tell them how to act while we`re acting like fools and telling them how they should stand when i`ve been to a hundred sporting events and have NEVER seen ALL of us standing with our hats off so if more people would correct their own flaws before making a hobby out of looking for what somebody else is doing they don`t like we would all be a lot happier people.

  150. “The league needs to devise a vehicle for allowing all players to express concerns separate and apart from the anthem…”
    ———————-

    The league needs to stay out of it. They’ve already made a mockery of domestic violence.

    Don’t a lot of these players already have charities and foundations and such?

  151. Take the anthem out of sporting events except for international contests like the Olympics where it is the appropriate way to recognize a country’s accomplishment of winning. It wasn’t always the practice of the NFL to play the National Anthem with the players out on the field. Perhaps some old ways were better and afforded less opportunity to be misunderstood.
    What Americans should be concerned about rather than this rather petty “crisis” is the fact that this President is using the power of his office to intimidate and curse American citizens, telling business owners who they should fire, while totally ignoring American Citizens faced with the devestation of natural disaster and threatening a foreign power with total destruction.
    Pay attention people! Trump is behaving like a snake oil salesman or slight-of-hand hustler, creating a distraction to take attention from the REALLY important issues. This was a deliberate negative attention seeking behavior designed to be a diversion. We need to keep our issues separate and remember this is the same individual who was defending Neo-Nazi terrorists and the Stars’n’Bars not that long ago, has repeatedly disrespected our veterans and POWs and has never done an unselfish thing in the service of this country that didn’t have an angle working for him (including his plans for a Russian Mar-lago business venture).
    Perhaps a solution or something to put this thing back in perspective would be to post Marie Tillman’s response.

  152. jimmysee says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:44 am
    The solution? The police stop shooting unarmed black men. For starters.

    ———————

    761 people shot by the police so far this YEAR. 9 were unarmed black men.

    40 people shot LAST WEEKEND in Chicago.

    But please keep buying into the narrative that we have an epidemic of police that are gunning down black people who are sitting on their porch and minding their own business.

  153. Trump is such a reactive moron he didn’t even know that the Cowboys weren’t kneeling during the anthem, or any display of the flag. It was before those two things happened…and like the self righteous egomaniac he is, right twitter…crafting a self purposed lie. He has to go. It’s time. We need a real leader.

  154. No, the responsibility lies with the players. What are they doing along with the protest? Are they in the communities assisting with the injustices? Just kneeling to draw attention is a noun, not a verb.

  155. lukedunphysscienceproject says:

    I didn’t compare them to Kaep. I’m simply saying that if it so important to stand stock still with your hat in one hand and the other hand over your heart while facing the flag during the national anthem in order to give proper respect for our military and our country, why is it OK for thousands of fans each week to completely ignore it?

    *I don’t think that’s the expectation. He clearly stated his intention that kneeling was a sign of disrespect to the country that was never great. I’m saying motives matter.
    There are lots of people who would willingly engage in the issue (criminal justice reform) that are turned off because they feel insulted. It was a bad choice of platforms. And the league should’ve known better long before Trump was even elected.

  156. audioflint says:
    September 26, 2017 at 1:11 pm
    If I understand the original intention of playing the anthem prior to sporting events, it was to appreciate the privilege of making a living while playing a game.

    —–

    I’ve read that the Star Spangled Banner is known to have been played at baseball games as early as 1897. Supposedly its first big moment was during the 7th inning of a 1918 world series game. Nobody expected it, but by the end of the song the crowd was pretty exuberant about it (apparently there was a write-up about it in the NY Times the next day).

    Red Sox owner Harry Frazee, not to be undone, opened every game in Boston with it.

    It wasn’t until 1931 that the Star Spangled Banner was adopted as the National Anthem.

    There’s a book called the Star-Spangled Banner written by Marc Ferris, who has done a lot of research on it (published 2014 -you can get it in kindle format too).

    It sounds like a good read, I may get it myself.

  157. the athletes should separate the national anthem and their expression of belief. they should adopt some physical move (the thinker for lack of a better idea from me). and each time they make a play, instead of doing a dance etc they do the decided upon move which raises awareness of an issue unrelated to donald trump’s agenda.

    this also sends the reactionaries who are being distracted by this contrived presidential circus to pick another scapegoat for their animus, and give us back the sports pages. i would suggest these “patriots” would be better served demanding good schools, esp in the rural areas where trump is popular, rather than falling for the easy bait. then their kids and grandkids would have a chance at a better future, because the factory and trade jobs that once employed the majority of the middle class families in these small towns aren’t coming back regardless of who is president.

  158. fmc651 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 12:59 pm
    How about having the media stop covering the story? Or how about the snowflakes get over the kneeling. Kneeling isn’t a sign of disrespect, don’t you kneel in church? Are you being disrespectful when you are kneeling? No. The USA isn’t perfect and we need to improve that is all that this is about. Let it go.
    ___________________________________________

    Tell me, who gets to decide what is “improvement” and what is not??

    Is it you?

    I submit you have no clue how to “improve this country.” I submit to you that the things you THINK will improve this country would only weaken it, cost us all more money and divide it further.

    Now what, buddy?

  159. lukedunphysscienceproject says:

    I didn’t compare them to Kaep. I’m simply saying that if it so important to stand stock still with your hat in one hand and the other hand over your heart while facing the flag during the national anthem in order to give proper respect for our military and our country, why is it OK for thousands of fans each week to completely ignore it?

    *I don’t think that’s the expectation. He clearly stated his intention that kneeling was a sign of disrespect to the country that was never great. I’m saying motives matter.
    There are lots of people who would willingly engage in the issue (criminal justice reform) that are turned off because they feel insulted. It was a bad choice of platforms. And the league should’ve known better long before Trump was even elected.
    _____________________________________________________________________________
    You just made that up. Colin never said he would kneel as a sign of intentional disrespect. He used to sit during the anthem–which was intentional. Then he went on ride alongs with police, and talked with veterans. A navy seal told him sitting was not how it should be done, so Kaep said he would kneel out of respect for the military, the navy seal told him that was fine. I swear to Christ it’s like the telephone game in this country, and on this board. Nobody cares to get anything accurate or correct…especially the details! Just push along whatever alternative fact(s) suit your opinion or agenda.

  160. The biggest question for me is that if the protests are so important to bring awareness to these issues, why have none of us ever heard of anything organized outside of a kneel during the anthem? Who’s engaging with police, government officials or at the very least all of the FANS who I would suggest you have the most influence. Anyone can put a knee down and call it a day, but I call on NFL players pushing these protests to organize something JJ Watt style that people can actually get behind. There is no reason why all of this should be crushing the NFL and alienating half or better of the fan base to either the NFL as whole or more importantly your cause. Why not do like someone else suggested, meet and greet with players, police, military, government officials. Pass out information at the events. White players seek out non white fans, black player seek out non black fans. Take photos, have a great time and promote just being good people. You have a mega fanbase and the biggest opportunity with all of pro-sports (not just football) to make a push for real change. It won’t be easy and it will require more than a knee and a deaf ear to the way you are choosing to further your protest plight. Start with a huge player supported pro military showing pre-game for the rest of the year to show people that you really have nothing against this country, the flag, or the people who keep our freedoms safe. If that’s not the case, carry on.

  161. I’ve got an idea…let people enjoy their rights, however they choose…even if you don’t agree.

    i’m truly astounded by how many people are upset about people actually applying their constitutional rights…and perplexed by those who support the suppression of said rights because you’re at work. so in what jobs would it be appropriate to protest at work? what’s the monetary earnings threshold?

  162. audioflint says:
    September 26, 2017 at 1:11 pm
    If I understand the original intention of playing the anthem prior to sporting events, it was to appreciate the privilege of making a living while playing a game.

    —–

    I’ve read that the Star Spangled Banner is known to have been played at baseball games as early as 1897. Supposedly its first big moment was during the 7th inning of a 1918 world series game. Nobody expected it, but by the end of the song the crowd was pretty exuberant about it (apparently there was a write-up about it in the NY Times the next day).

    Red Sox owner Harry Frazee, not to be undone, opened every game in Boston with it.

    It wasn’t until 1931 that the Star Spangled Banner was adopted as the National Anthem.

    There’s a book called the Star-Spangled Banner written by Marc Ferris, who has done a lot of research on it (published 2014 -you can get it in kindle format too).

    It sounds like a good read, I may get it myself.
    ______________________________________________________
    If you understand the star spangled banner then you know the verse we don’t sing…the one where Francis Scott Key a slave owner, takes satisfaction in the deaths of freed slaves…right? But because we don’t sing it and most are ignorant of it…somehow this song is to be revered above all else. Give me America the Beautiful over the star spangled banner every day. The star spangled banner isn’t about America’s glory, its about a battle in the war of 1812–one that Colonial Americans started, by trying to take Canada by force from British rule…If everyone wants to get real, let’s get real. Crack the history books, don’t just regurgitate rhetorical talking points from MSNBC, FOXNEWS, CNN and the lot…

  163. 761 people shot by the police so far this YEAR. 9 were unarmed black men.

    40 people shot LAST WEEKEND in Chicago

    ———

    it’s ridiculous to make any kind of correlation between those two sets of statistics.

  164. radrntn says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:49 am
    well to learn that the dept.of defense who is always asking for money is paying the NFL for players to come out for it is the biggest joke of it all.
    ________________________________________

    I agree with you.

    Having said that, as a Marketing professional myself, I understand why they do it. It’s part of their recruitment campaigning, which is going on all the time vi tv commercials, local events, sports sponsorships and a lot more. In fact, the NFL is a perfect fit for them because of the viewer demographics. So this is just a piece of that recruitment effort.

    That said, I would guess it’s an incredibly expensive tactic and I would seriously question the ROI on it. So just from a pure business standpoint I don’t think it should be done. Use tv commercials or field banners or sponsorships during NFL games to accomplish the same thing but more effectively.

    And yet, I’m sure it never occurred to them that standing for the anthem would ever cause a firestorm, much less an argument of this magnitude.

    It certainly never occurred to me.

  165. conormacleod says:
    September 26, 2017 at 12:01 pm
    ringheadcrusher says:

    September 26, 2017 at 11:34 am

    Here’s the deal folks, and I’m sure I’ll get plenty of hatred for this one.

    Being an American is like being married. If you don’t love her for what she is, right here and right now, then get out.
    //////////////////////
    Your argument is the absolute worst argument I have ever read on PFT, or any other webpage. Your “love it or leave it” attitude would constitute Americans still having taxation without representation, slaughtering of Native Americans, Slavery, Women Not being able to vote, and countless other atrocities and discrimination in our country.

    I can agree to disagree with every single person on PFT, except you.
    _____________________________________________________

    That works out nicely because I’m the one here who cares the least about your opinion.

    Really, could you BE more predictable? I lay down a fresh take on that argument and you just spew the same old stuff? Disappointing. Your response is the absolute worst response I’ve ever read on PFT.

    1) you completely missed the point. 2) I’ll quote myself for the rest of my response:

    “Tell me, who gets to decide what is “improvement” and what is not??

    Is it you?

    I submit you have no clue how to “improve this country.” I submit to you that the things you THINK will improve this country would only weaken it, cost us all more money and divide it further.

    Now what, buddy?”

  166. You mean like Philander Castile?
    …..and if you do your research it goes on and on.

    Why should a child in a playground lose his life because a police officer feels he is threatened by a toy gun?

    ——————-

    Phillando Castillo I give you. that cop made a horrible decision and a man lost his life due to that.

    But, as far as a kid on a playground I assume you are referring to Tamir Rice.

    Tamir Rice did not have a toy gun, He had airsoft gun that was an exact replica of a Colt 1911 .45ACP handgun. it’s made of metal, looks 100% realistic, and the only thing that distinguished it as an airsoft and not a actual pistol was the orange safety tip- which had been removed(which is illegal).

    He was also not enough to own an airsoft gun as you have to be 18 to buy one, and it’s illegal to carry one around in Ohio in public.

    He also was walking around pointing it at people in a park and police dispatcher told the responding units that they were going to a scene of reports of a person pointing a gun at people.

    I have watched the video a million times, and I can honestly say that while I think the cop may have reacted possibly a bit too quickly, when you look at all the facts you can not blame the police for shooting him, I am sorry but you just can’t.

    I can honestly say that as a person who carries a concealed handgun often, if I was one of the people that he pointed that airsoft at, I would have shot him.

    I am sorry, but If Tamir Rice wasn’t doing what he did he would not have gotten shot.

    oh, and before you start up- I am not a trump voter, live in one of the most liberal cities in America, and I fall much closer politically to a democrat / liberal than a republican / conservative.

  167. The players have no free speech rights when they are on the field doing their job! Private employees have zero free speech rights and the owners can fire them or punish them. Football players have no additional rights and being black doesn’t make them special above the rest of us.

    It is time to start suspending players without pay!

  168. So, these prima donnas can express their opinions on whatever inane BS they want, but President Trump can’t? Why are these dipsh!ts trying to stifle the President’s First Amendment RIGHTS?

    See how your argument goes, boys?

  169. how about the snowflakes get over the kneeling. Kneeling isn’t a sign of disrespect, don’t you kneel in church? Are you being disrespectful when you are kneeling? No.
    ———————————————————————————–
    When you stand during the anthem it is a sign that you are standing on behalf of the dead and injured who protected you and our nation and can no longer stand for themselves. They stand through you and our united act of standing, in other words. When you kneel at church you are submitting to God, admitting that he is ruler of your life. You would not stand before God, in other words. Both are forms of respect in their specific intentions. (You gave a poor example in my opinion.)

  170. 345snarkavenue says:
    September 26, 2017 at 3:10 pm
    761 people shot by the police so far this YEAR. 9 were unarmed black men.

    40 people shot LAST WEEKEND in Chicago

    ———

    it’s ridiculous to make any kind of correlation between those two sets of statistics.

    ———-

    And you completely missed the point.

    There is an uproar over a minute number of police shootings that are questionable, where the officers are then tried and found guilty in the court of public opinion before receiving a trial. Then if they are prosecuted, a trial takes place and the officers are found not guilty by a jury of their peers, or by a judge, there are still riots and protests. Players then disrespect our National Anthem and flag in order to highlight these perceived injustices in defiance of lawful decisions made by courts and their fellow citizens. In the meantime, blacks are killing each other in record numbers in Detroit, NY, and Chicago, and we don’t hear a peep from these activists. Where is the outrage? No, we would rather highlight a few questionable police shootings where there is zero evidence of any racial bias by disrespecting our country.

    Show me actual laws that target black people. Show me actual video where an officer kills an innocent black person that isn’t resisting arrest, attempting to hurt the officer or another person, carrying or pointing a weapon or what could be perceived as a weapon, and then that officer is not investigated or prosecuted. Then we can talk about it. Then I will decry their actions too.

    Until then, leave the police alone, respect our flag and our Anthem, and concentrate on real, actual, undisputed issues like blacks killing one another in record numbers.

  171. manzoa says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:03 am

    Sorry but kneeling for the anthem is NOT protected speech under the first amendment. The first amendment says clearly that the federal government cannot abridge free speech. But the NFL is a private company and free speech rights do not apply if owners decided tomorrow to have a rule that players must stand for the anthem. Any player failing to do so could be fired legally.

    ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨

    Are you seriously saying that a right can be ommited is a private company says so? You’re absolutely wrong.

  172. topcide says:
    September 26, 2017 at 3:43 pm

    I am sorry, but If Tamir Rice wasn’t doing what he did he would not have gotten shot.

    ——————-

    If Tamir Rice wasn’t doing what he did AND IF HE WASN’T A BLACK KID he would not have gotten shot.
    A white kid should have been playing.
    A black kid was a menace.

    Is it so hard to understand?

  173. Pontricacio Contricanis says:
    September 26, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    Are you seriously saying that a right can be ommited is a private company says so? You’re absolutely wrong.

    ——-

    Actually, he’s absolutely right.

    If you don’t think so, try wearing a politically charged t-shirt to work in support of a candidate for office. Or pulling out a miniature flag and burning it while you are working the register. That’s free speech right?

    While you are at work, you are subject to the rules of your employer. If you violate the rules of your employer, you can absolutely be fired.

  174. audioflint says:
    September 26, 2017 at 4:59 pm
    how about the snowflakes get over the kneeling. Kneeling isn’t a sign of disrespect, don’t you kneel in church? Are you being disrespectful when you are kneeling? No.
    ———————————————————————————–
    When you stand during the anthem it is a sign that you are standing on behalf of the dead and injured who protected you and our nation and can no longer stand for themselves. They stand through you and our united act of standing, in other words. When you kneel at church you are submitting to God, admitting that he is ruler of your life. You would not stand before God, in other words. Both are forms of respect in their specific intentions. (You gave a poor example in my opinion.)
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    I’m going to respectfully disagree. In most stadiums the playing of the anthem is prefaced with something like “Please rise as we honor America with the playing of our national anthem” Rarely, if ever, do people ever reference fallen soldiers etc. unless it’s a military holiday or some other special event to honor our military service men and women. I get that some people make that connection, and that’s why they stand. My only question is why is it so egregious for other people to have other ideas about what the flag represents? Why is there only room for ONE reason to stand? Is it not possible for other people to have valid opinions, even if they differ from your own?

  175. Maybe stop playing the anthem before sporting events altogether? If so many people are confused as to the point and purpose of the anthem, to the extent that they think it’s all about dead soldiers, then it clearly has nothing to do with sporting events, anyway.

  176. How about taking a knee in the end zone when you score a touchdown? The entire offense or defense can run into the end zone drop down on one knee for a second or two.

  177. prideof10000lakes says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:36 am
    Well considering that none of the protesters or enlightened media members have even tried to offer a solution to the perceived reason of the protests then how can we have a solution to the protests.

    The protests, at this point, has turned from police brutality to racism to now just anti trump. Their message has gotten so muddled that they no longer have a clear goal, if they ever did.

    It’s just like all of the other activist organizations, they are very good about ‘bringing awareness’ and placing blame but solutions? Not so much
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    Huh? What kind of logic is that? Raising an issue does not require proposing a solution. Also, how is anyone supposed to “solve” institutionalized racism in law enforcement? The solution is cops should stop killing unarmed minorities. Sure, it’s that simple, but this solution in and of itself has no value without deep and far-reaching reform.

  178. mykpfsu says:
    September 26, 2017 at 9:47 am
    A. Realize the 1st amendment does not protect you at your job.
    B. Stop the hypocrisy. If the NFL is going to fine players for 9/11 or charity cleats and disallow decals honoring cops, players should be fined for not standing during the anthem.
    C. Actually do something you’re protesting about. Pretty much none of the players are doing jack to bring communities together. Rather they are exacerbating the problem.
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    This is incorrect. Plenty of NFL players do charity work. Kaepernick does lots of charity work and donates money to causes he believes in. But that’s not enough.

  179. jimmysee says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:44 am
    The solution? The police stop shooting unarmed black men. For starters.

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    761 people shot by the police so far this YEAR. 9 were unarmed black men.

    40 people shot LAST WEEKEND in Chicago.

    But please keep buying into the narrative that we have an epidemic of police that are gunning down black people who are sitting on their porch and minding their own business.
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    So how many unarmed black men killed by the police is unacceptable to you? 9 seems OK. When does that number reach a level that’s uncomfortable for you?

  180. canedaddy says:
    September 26, 2017 at 11:50 am
    The protesters are arguing for something that already exists (racial equality is guaranteed under the law, and a Harvard study — by a black man — proved there is no racial bias in police shootings)… so the solution is for them to stop fighting for something they already have and stand up for the national anthem.
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    No, there is no such study. Statistics show that young black men are several times more likely to be killed by police than white men of the same age. Remember the report that came out after Ferguson? How the discrimination against the local black community was institutionalized? They were using the black community as a cash cow, preying on them. Or what about “stop & frisk” in NYC? That was racial profiling at its most basic.

    Those are just a couple of examples. Believing really hard doesn’t make the pervasive racism in this country just magically go away.

  181. Start by locking up policeman/policewoman when they kill an unarmed civilian. Make it a federal investigation when it happens. Not some, “we investigated the problem internally and found we did nothing wrong.”

  182. It’s amazing how little research these NFL players do about the issue they claim to care about so much. I found some pretty compelling data to support the assertions that blacks are unfairly treated in just a 5 minute Google search (though I suspect the opposition probably has compelling data to show why this is so).

    If they want to make an intelligent argument, they should suggest a CNN Town Hall on Race and Policing, and ask for selected NFL players to have a seat at the table where they can intelligently discuss the issues. The minute the ask, the request will be granted, and this project will be a go!

    The problem is, they are lazy. This is too much work, and it’s a battle they could very well lose if all the facts from both sides are presented. The NFL players got all they really wanted: attention, hero worship from supporters, and sympathy from naively compassionate people who can be convinced of a point without hearing opposing arguments.

    Being intellectually lazy on a grand stage perpetuates the very stereotypes they find objectionable.

  183. The ULTIMATE solution is education, so that people in the U.S. don’t think exercising a right that veterans fought and died to provide them is somehow disrespecting those veterans.

  184. The best way to handle this situation is as follows:
    1.The NFL passes a rule requiring all players to abide by Title 36 of the US Code. This means that all players will have to stand for the anthem if they are able to. Therefore, the fans will be quiet because they will not feel that the players are disrespecting America or the military. For most people, the national anthem is a time to pay our respect to the men and women who have fought and died protecting our freedoms.
    2. The players can respond to media questions with their opinions regarding racial inequality and other causes they think are important. If Colin Kaepernick wants to rant during a press conference, what’s the big deal. The NFL’s media policy requires that players make themselves available to the media but they have a fair degree of freedom in how they answer.
    By making these changes the players will be allowed to protest with clear restrictions and the fans can stop complaining that the players are disrespecting the national anthem and/or the military.

  185. Americas favorite brand says:
    September 26, 2017 at 10:58 am
    Al the downvotes to the idea of each side respecting the views of the other and reaching agreement confirm a theory I had. There is no interest in reaching agreement, both sides just want to fight about it.

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    That is an incredible display of willful ignorance. It’s not that those of us who disagree with the protests WANT to fight about it…it’s that we’re sick and tired of leftist ideologues shoving their point of view down our throats…we’ve decided we’re not going to take it anymore and there is no point in compromise and understanding.

  186. lambchop731 says:
    September 27, 2017 at 2:32 pm

    Start by locking up policeman/policewoman when they kill an unarmed civilian. Make it a federal investigation when it happens. Not some, “we investigated the problem internally and found we did nothing wrong.”
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    Oh lambchop, how about players and liberals start by accepting court rulings when officers are found innocent and justified in shootings when they happen, instead of just feeding off the liberal media’s bias of painting them as guilty before the trail and sensationalizing the situation? In almost every case a federal investigation is done, do some research!

  187. I have a solution to this problem. The protesters should start mobilizing and begin protesting in front of police stations. They are the ones that are killing unarmed black men. What can be more perfect? They have a perception problem, and it is not going to change.

  188. Lots of people with clear opinions on both sides of issue. Never mix business with politics or religion. The owners have let the cat out of the bag by endorsing player protests while at work. Now that owners have said it is Okay, the players are protected from government intervention by First Amendment. The owners are more afraid of the players than they are of negative consumer reactions. Players taking the Anthem knee in London and standing for God Save The Queen illustrates my point.

    The players must now decide if some nebulous phrase like “social Justice” is important enough to create blow back from fans. Blow back entails lower TV ratings, season ticket cancellations, sponsor abandonment and so on. Performers need every fan they can get. Always smile and sign the autograph. If players persist, they will injure the marketability of their teams. Less profit means less cash for raises and bonuses.

    I suggest the players make Kaepernick or some other genius their spokes person and put them on TV. Let CNN feed them some softball questions to clarify this movement. Players should hide in the locker room till the anthem is over and then slither out in the hope that fans do not notice.

    I’ve already asked Steven Ross for my money back! Does it surprise you that this weasel has not responded back. This guy gets a reduction on his property tax and a rebate on sales tax plus a tax break for his foundation RISE. RISE is a tax hedge that supports voter registration. Why is it I think this might be an NFL Democrat voter registration drive?

  189. police stop shooting people? Media stop making such a big deal out of it? Me not giving a flying rats @$$?

  190. Kneeling won’t affect change. If players want to make a difference get off the ground and get into action. The Boston Tea party didn’t win independence. It was everything that took place afterwards.

  191. bighittz56 says:
    September 26, 2017 at 5:06 pm
    345snarkavenue says:
    September 26, 2017 at 3:10 pm
    761 people shot by the police so far this YEAR. 9 were unarmed black men.

    40 people shot LAST WEEKEND in Chicago

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    it’s ridiculous to make any kind of correlation between those two sets of statistics.

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    And you completely missed the point.

    There is an uproar over a minute number of police shootings that are questionable, where the officers are then tried and found guilty in the court of public opinion before receiving a trial. Then if they are prosecuted, a trial takes place and the officers are found not guilty by a jury of their peers, or by a judge, there are still riots and protests. Players then disrespect our National Anthem and flag in order to highlight these perceived injustices in defiance of lawful decisions made by courts and their fellow citizens. In the meantime, blacks are killing each other in record numbers in Detroit, NY, and Chicago, and we don’t hear a peep from these activists. Where is the outrage? No, we would rather highlight a few questionable police shootings where there is zero evidence of any racial bias by disrespecting our country.

    Show me actual laws that target black people. Show me actual video where an officer kills an innocent black person that isn’t resisting arrest, attempting to hurt the officer or another person, carrying or pointing a weapon or what could be perceived as a weapon, and then that officer is not investigated or prosecuted. Then we can talk about it. Then I will decry their actions too.

    Until then, leave the police alone, respect our flag and our Anthem, and concentrate on real, actual, undisputed issues like blacks killing one another in record numbers.

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    Literally the best post ever written on PFT.

  192. What’s the solution to the anthem protests?

    Stop doing them. Protest on your own time.
    I don’t kneel in my waiting from in front of patients to protest things I have issue with,
    don’t do it on the football field.

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