Owners fret over whether fans will make good on threats to flee

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Football fans routinely do plenty of huffing and puffing, but they rarely blow the house down. This time around, the NFL worries about the house getting blown down.

Every year, bad teams emerge and their fans (in most non-California instances) still support them. And even if any given season (or, in Cleveland, every given season) becomes lost, a reset to 0-0 is always less than four months away. For true fans, the tattoo on their soul is permanent, and disowning a favorite team is every bit as hard as disowning a child.

But this thing could be different. A league that has openly pandered to the military and the flag (and, in turn, to those who would react favorably to pandering to the military and the flag) now finds itself caught between a movement that has, after 13 months of simmering, exploded into a full boil that threatens to hit the league where it hurts the most.

As one source with knowledge of the situation explained it to PFT on Thursday night, the owners are indeed afraid. Not of their players, physically or otherwise, but of the fans who may indeed go away and never return. That’s why the league is trying to delicately defuse a loudly ticking bomb that could blow out the bank accounts via reduced box-office receipts, bad ratings! (and, in turn, less lucrative TV deals), diminished merchandise sales, and various other factors that could cause the golden goose not necessarily to die but to noticeably decrease her production of eggs.

Players should be concerned about this, too, since they’re feasting on those eggs. Under the current labor deal, they share the revenues; if less money flows in to the sport, less money flows out to the players — and the salary cap will drop or at a minimum stop growing like it has.

Yes, the concerns the players are raising are much bigger than whether their large paychecks shrink a little. But if there’s a way to harmonize the expression of those concerns with the fans who always will believe that kneeling or sitting during the anthem constitutes the kind of disrespect that will push them away, the players in their capacity as businessmen should want to find it.

One team at a time, players seem to be realizing that there’s a way to raise these concerns without creating the perception of disrespect to flag, country, military. If/when all 32 teams come to that point, the President can declare victory, devote one of 140 characters to a thumb’s up emoji to the NFL, and everyone can move on.

201 responses to “Owners fret over whether fans will make good on threats to flee

  1. Even if Kaepernick never happened, this league would take a hit eventually.
    Tickets are too expensive, concessions are too expensive, and half the teams/games are a joke.

    The NFL became huge before social media and cell phones. Todays generation is too concerned with selfies and facebook. They don’t live for Sundays and pigskin anymore, because quite frankly, there is more interesting things to do than get ripped off at a mega stadium.

    The NFL became huge because there was nothing really better on and we weren’t constantly glued to our phone. Oh, and it was only Sunday and Monday.

  2. They just figured this out? Just goes too show you that these guys are living in a bubble and have no clue what the fans think. Last night the packers and bears were on and I did not watch it. Why? Because they disrespect the flag and all it stands for. I’m sure I’m not alone on this.

  3. Nice to see you’re finally getting the fan point of view.

    Doesn’t matter intent. When you sit for the National Anthem, fans see disrespect for our soldiers and vets.

  4. Prior to the kneel downers, the NFL was trending the wrong way with young people.
    Take away fantasy sports and on line wagering and what do you have. A rich good old boy group of owners, cheating teams, overpaid athletes, a poor product on the field, concussions, a hated commissioner, relocation, etc. This has not been progress, but more of a form of outdated entertainment. Fans are looking at the costs, looking at the owners, the product on and off the field, and are finding other things to do with the money and time.

  5. Football for the fan is entertainment. When you take to the fun out of it for the fan there then is no reason for him or her to be there. For me I love football.. but not like this.

  6. If true, would be the first time in a very long time that the owners gave any real concern to the fans, and ONLY because it threatens their unbridled greed.

  7. Put my PSL’s up for sale after 22 years. I’ll still watch on TV when convenient but not spending another DIME on NFL product. America is not perfect but it’s the greatest country in the world and I’m not interested in multi million dollar athletes pretending that it’s not.

  8. Wow, if I didn’t know any better I would say that Florio, the owners and the players are finally getting it. The only problem is that many of the players are too stupid to follow this line of reasoning and/or figure they will be out of the league before it effects them. I do hope they work something out though, I want to get back to football being about football.

  9. Pandered to Military and flag? Not sure if that’s the right choice of words. If so then I think we all should “Pander” to the military and flag. I see it as my obligation as do “most” Americans that appreciates what this country stands for warts and all.

  10. wait-this is the same site that in the last year has dismissed owner’s concerns about hiring Kaepernick right?

    must be hard to live in a country where you truly believe 80% of the country are racist fools and you’re smarter than each and every one.

  11. I cant see how DirectTV did not have a talk with the NFL this week about the effects on the media contract.

  12. Facts:
    77% of NFL fans are caucasian.
    37% are over age 55.
    25% have incomes greater than 100k annually.

    Given those statistics it is easy to see why owners would be concerned> That demographic is more likely to be paying for entertainment and not political discourse, and the longer the discourse continues the entertainment won’t be enough to keep them in seats.

  13. Target didn’t believe it would happen either, then their sales tanked. You just can’t offend 1/2 your customers and expect no backlash. Problem is, normal people don’t scream and yell and burn our own cities down, we just take our money elsewhere.
    I bought hockey tickets for the first time in my life.

  14. What you call pandering, I call supporting and honoring men and women who risk and lay down their lives protecting and ensuring our freedom so we can live the lives we are living. If Kaepernick would have kept the flag and the anthem out of his causes, the vast majority of the country would be supporting him. He knew what he was doing. He’s an anti-American leftist who wants to tear down the country. He is smiling at the chaos he has created even though nothing has changed in regards to police shooting, criminal justice reform. He just used those issues to promote his anti-Americanism.

  15. After all this mayhem and being called out, only 10% of players took a knee.

    Now compare that to the Populous of America and determine, as a business, who would be better served to focus on.

    Right or Wrong and you can agree or disagree, but Trumps comments made everyone show their cards, including the NFL and its fans.

  16. No ones going away. You’ll have a few morons who denounce the league and burn all their stuff and stop watching this year. But those same morons will just have to buy all new stuff when they go back to watching football next year.

  17. I never thought I’d hear myself say this, but Josh Norman summed it up perfectly after last Sunday’s game. It’s NOT about disrespecting the military or who has fought and died to defend what our flag represents. That’s NOT what it’s about. It’s about bringing light to an issue that is staring us in the face. People who think the kneeling/sitting is about disrespecting our country, the military, or our veterans need to open their eyes and understand what the real issue is. Good on players and teams (mostly) uniting on this issue.

    You want to stop watching NFL because of this? I bet you don’t. If this causes you to truly boycott the NFL (no peeking at the scores Sunday night!), then you were a shallow fan to begin with.

  18. “A league that has openly pandered to the military and the flag (and, in turn, to those who would react favorably to pandering to the military and the flag)”

    “Pandered.” Interesting choice of word. I think “openly supported and paid respect to the military and the flag” would be more accurate.

    Pandered? Really? That’s the word you chose? I feel the urge to throw a fairly well known quote at you from Inigo Montoya in “The Prinicess Bride,” but alas, I’m pretty sure you do indeed know what “pandering” means.

  19. Owners need to worry. We are sick of this disrespectful bs by the players. They can kneel or orotest all they want elsewhere. We’re tired of millionaires who work for billionaires preaching to us…..

  20. As well they should. They won’t have to worry about losing my revenue…I haven’ given a dime for tickets or merch since 2002 and I watch live games on a free stream, when I watch.

    I’ve been moving away from the NFL for about 10 years now and it’s been a tough road watching my favorite TV sport go down the tubes.

    It’s a shame hockey just isn’t as exciting on TV.

  21. The NFL has a long history of players who have committed pretty serious crimes. Drug abusers, rapists, guys who commit domestic violence and even guys accused of committing murder. But it’s taking a knee that’s making all these fans upset? Doesn’t make sense.

  22. It’s too late. The damage HAS BEEN done and fans are gonna do what we gotta do. The player’s created this mess, the owners did’nt rein them in or come up with a way to protect the game, and the media feed the frenzy. The fans have a long memory & if revenues & viewership drop, TOO BAD!!

  23. The NFL should be concerned. As you alluded to they will always have a solid base but being at the game last night just about all the fans aren’t having it. When the players asked the fans to link arms in disguise of kneeling to continue the protest fans weren’t buying it. I’m not sure how much they panned the crowd but it had to be 90% with hands over heart during the anthem while chanting USA beforehand in our own form of protest. To the players and NFL it was unmistakable. Yet as I listened to the radio and watch tv this morning the msm acts like it was all unity with the fans. More fake news.

  24. I left in 2016 when my team was taken and the NFL said “we don’t want you”. It was at that point that I said “I don’t need you”, gave away all my gear and watch about 10% of what I used to on TV. When I do watch I make note of the sponsors and then do not buy from them when making purchases. The handling of the protest issue by the NFL confirms that they do not care about the fans and what they think/feel.

  25. Kaep’s original quote: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color”

    Spin it to be about police brutality if you want but the origin was demonstrating against the flag and country.

  26. If they make a “social injustice month” for football as they do breast cancer awareness I will not watch for that month. That’s for sure.

  27. I’m hoping all of these “fine people” – people who not only remain silent in the face of injustice but who then choose to get bent out of shape over a peaceful protest – will quickly self-deport out of NFL stadiums, team shops and online forums. This isn’t an airport, no need to announce your departure – just GO.

  28. Good Riddance to all those who are planning to boycott the NFL. Bye Bye don’t let that door knob hit you on the way out. All this does is tell me that people are so closed minded to the issues the players are protesting. They don’t want this country to change get to a better place, they want the status quo. But I wish there was a role reversal…whites in the place of blacks. Then and only then would they get a realization of what injustices blacks have gone through all of these years. Most will see this statement and say stop complaining, but you will never feel another persons pain until you place yourselves in their shoes.

  29. PFT is worried about the boycott.too, and it should be. You helped fan these flames, now you reap what you sow. Picked the wrong side, against your own interests.

  30. The players got professionally TROLLED and took the bait. Trump made it about him like he always succeeds in doing. Now the players have to back down, and Trump will gloat. The guy is a pro, dear players, so just take the ‘L’ and move on.

  31. gsomatt says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:26 am
    Nice to see you’re finally getting the fan point of view.

    Doesn’t matter intent. When you sit for the National Anthem, fans see disrespect for our soldiers and vets.

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    Strange place in our society. Kneeling for an anthem as a protest to police brutality is somehow more disrespectful to veterans than actually being disrespectful to veterans.

  32. Speaking for myself I am not going to boycott football. I love the game too much. I have gotten exasperated with all the politics and do wish they would extract them from the sports. But I am not going to cut off my nose to spite my face denying myself that which I have enjoyed too much for too many years.

    That said, the amount of effort I am willing to do or money I would pay has indeed taken a hit. Not just from the protests alone though, that blame is shared with a number of things the league has done or allowed that I think have undermined the sport. So if I am free Sunday afternoon (in my house the weekend chores and erreands need to be done first) I will watch the games on tv and all their commercials too. And Sunday night barring something more interestimg (and that yardstick has shifted a little too) being on I will watch those. Same for Monday and Thursday. But shelling out extra money for Sunday ticket is out of the question these days and their attempts to move into streaming services will happen without me. It has to just ‘be there’ for me to watch, I am just not going to chase it. But still to just conciously boycott it all is just not going to happen here.

  33. theegodfrey says:

    Listen none of you are going to watching football who are you kidding going to those who say they will boycott this goes for both sides of the fence.
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    First of all . . . . . what??????? Can you retype your comment? I have no idea what you were trying to say.

    Secondly, I was talking to a couple of co-workers today and they told me they have stopped watching the NFL all together because of this anthem business. A lot of people huff and puff about not watching the games, but I actually know people who have followed through with it. Since Goodell went along with framing Tom Brady, I have only watched the Patriots games and have not spent one cent on anything to do with the NFL. I think the loss of revenue and viewership is due to many reasons too numerous to list, but you all know what they are. Take your pick – but the common denominator is the NFL is imploding in on itself. After Brady and Belichick retire I very well may stop with football altogether. They just can’t get their act together and I’m getting tired of it. This is from a 50 plus year fan.

  34. Strange they would worry that much about this given they’ve spent years intentionally trying to price the regular fan out of the stadium experience. Ticket prices just keep going up, parking fees are ridiculous, concessions are robbery, and the only seats you can get are nosebleed because the luxury suites have all the good spots taken. How are they going to tell if people are staying home out of patriotic outrage or simply because they finally got the memo they aren’t wanted at the games?

    The NFL views fans as inconveniences–they’ll still take all your money but don’t expect them to pretend to like dealing with you.

  35. Oh how far we’ve come since that national unity, the sea of yellow, that beautiful rendition by Whitney, the flyover, and the chorus of cheers when our men & women overseas were shown on the Jumbotron back in 1990. Thanks for the memories NFL, it was nice knowing you.

  36. Don’t show players during the anthem.Cut to a military/fourth of july scene
    or the person(s) singing and then back to game.
    don’t turn on channel till 1:10, so you miss the kickoff.

  37. Fans are crying out they don’t want politics to mix in with their football and yet these same fans don’t have a problem with a war song being played, war soldiers holding the flags and sometimes or even all the time, war jets flying overhead after the war song.
    Talk about double standards!
    I dunno why we have this ridiculous tradition.
    There are other places one can show their American pride in the flag and in war.
    All that junk doesn’t belong in football or any other sporting event either.
    I will continue to not stand at any event where the war song is being played.

  38. So far it’s a free country, and we are all able to make any number of stupid decisions. Kneeling for the anthem isn’t illegal. I noticed a guy yawning during the anthem last week, is that something the NFL should crack down on?

    This will blow over after nuts on both sides get tired of arguing about it. The NFL should be more worried about fixing terrible and inconsistent officiating than someone’s stance during the anthem.

  39. Pandering? It’s called a love and appreciation for our country and the countless souls who have fought and died bravely to defend our way of living. There’s honor in that, an honor these players, coaches, owners and league executives have sneered at. So maybe a cynic would look at it as pandering, maybe NFL Owners and League Execs look at it as pandering and chalk it up as another form of a ‘business expense.’ But their paying audience sees it much differently.

  40. “A league that has openly pandered to the military and the flag (and, in turn, to those who would react favorably to pandering to the military and the flag)”

    Correct me if I am wrong but doesnt the military pay the NFL to honor the flag and veterans at games? Charging money to do something is not pandering.

  41. Put my PSL’s up for sale after 22 years. I’ll still watch on TV when convenient but not spending another DIME on NFL product. America is not perfect but it’s the greatest country in the world and I’m not interested in multi million dollar athletes pretending that it’s not.

    Ha HA. PSL’s did not exist 22 years ago

  42. I’m kinda shocked that this story was finally written… on this site?

    Check the comments, and make sure to look at up and down votes.
    This feeling isn’t something new. Fans are not happy.

  43. I’ve had pay tv in one form or another since 1985. I almost turned it off during the 2016 elections. I only kept it on to watch football. Now that the league is going this way, I felt no issues turning it off on the morning of week 3 MNF. I’m saving $100 a month and will watch on antenna. I will complain directly to the sponsors of the NFL and the networks.

  44. Frazier28/7 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:23 am
    Even if Kaepernick never happened, this league would take a hit eventually.
    Tickets are too expensive, concessions are too expensive, and half the teams/games are a joke.

    The NFL became huge before social media and cell phones. Todays generation is too concerned with selfies and facebook. They don’t live for Sundays and pigskin anymore, because quite frankly, there is more interesting things to do than get ripped off at a mega stadium.

    The NFL became huge because there was nothing really better on and we weren’t constantly glued to our phone. Oh, and it was only Sunday and Monday.
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    This is spot on and so true.
    I’m a Packers fan and my girlfriend just sorta is.
    She claims to be but I’m not so sure.
    When we watch games together, she puts her head in my lap and keeps her face staring at her smartphone the entire time the game is on.
    I find it annoying since I want to share in the experience of watching with someone else.
    I would rather watch the game alone when I am at her place then dealing with her “phone.”

  45. I don’t buy merchandise anymore. I haven’t for about 4 years. I’ve actually started the process of liquidating my memorabilia that was decorating my office. I have other interests to adorn the walls and to fund. I still watch a game, maybe two on Sunday. That’s about it. Heck last week I took my kids out for lunch because they wanted to and missed the first quarter of the Steelers game. Ten years ago, I wouldn’t have considered doing any of these things. I’m not making a conscious effort to boycott and I’m not angry at the players. The NFL, the Steelers, they just don’t represent me anymore, who I am, what I stand for – or anything really. It’s just a game, a form of entertainment and the game is not as interesting ad it used to be. It was a conscious decision by the owners, the players, everyone for the NFL to exist as it does today. My guess is in 10 years, the league will be in shambles.

  46. bigblue00 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:41 am
    Oh how far we’ve come since that national unity, the sea of yellow, that beautiful rendition by Whitney, the flyover, and the chorus of cheers when our men & women overseas were shown on the Jumbotron back in 1990. Thanks for the memories NFL, it was nice knowing you.

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    Yeah, you mean way before any of the players even left their lockers until after the anthem was over.

  47. As far as I am concerned, the only ones dumb enough to see it as disrespecting the country or military are the morons that voted for the current president.

  48. You hear this sentiment quite a bit (someone posted it above, in fact):

    “It’s NOT about disrespecting the military or who has fought and died to defend what our flag represents. That’s NOT what it’s about.”

    While I can wholeheartedly agree that the actual subject of the protests are not about “disrespecting the military… or what our flag represents,” here’s the problem with that stance:

    The chosen act of the protest IS a disrespectful act in an of itself. There are other ways to make your point and protest – countless ways, even – that don’t carry that baggage. In fact, that baggage is making your actual message get lost in the noise – and if you can’t see that, you’re blind.

    This is an easy one:

    Your message may not disrespectful to the flag or those that serve – but your chosen vehicle of delivering that message absolutely is. Period.

    Keep the message. Change the method of delivery.

    You’re welcome.

  49. I suspect if the owners leaned on the networks not to show the anthem, the players would quit kneeling now that they know they’re not on TV and there won’t be highlights of them kneeling. It has always seemed like a “hey, look at me, movement.”

    And if the networks didn’t show the anthem, that wouldn’t be a bad thing. Years ago, networks quit showing the anthem except for conference title games and the Super Bowl. Only after Kaepernick started kneeling and a handful of players decided they wanted to join the fad did the networks start showing the anthem again.

  50. The whole mess could have been avoided by giving the players a minute BEFORE the anthem to do their thing and when the anthem plays, stand as their own rules dictate, quiet, respectful without any political expressions. They could have reigned in Kap in the same way and this wouldn’t be a discussion at this time.

  51. mjb2017blog says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:37 am
    Good Riddance to all those who are planning to boycott the NFL. Bye Bye don’t let that door knob hit you on the way out.

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    Thats a fair opinion for you to have. But the league and owners need to have that same opinion about the dollars those people would have spent.

  52. NFL could lose 25% of its viewership and it would still dwarf that of other pro sports leagues.

    ps – in Canada, we are all laughing at the mess you have created in America.

  53. packmanfan says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:43 am
    Fans are crying out they don’t want politics to mix in with their football and yet these same fans don’t have a problem with a war song being played, war soldiers holding the flags and sometimes or even all the time, war jets flying overhead after the war song.
    Talk about double standards!
    I dunno why we have this ridiculous tradition.
    There are other places one can show their American pride in the flag and in war.
    All that junk doesn’t belong in football or any other sporting event either.
    I will continue to not stand at any event where the war song is being played.

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    What the . . . “Junk”?
    They probably don’t play the national anthem in Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea or Iran.

  54. “The national anthem, flag, and military are all woven together.”

    “The Confederate flag and racism are woven together.”

    I get what Josh Norman says – I don’t believe the intent of the Anthem protests is to disrespect the military. However, people feel a certain way towards the Anthem, and their opinion of it is as stated above. Just as some have an opinion on the meaning of the Confederate flag. Neither of these above statements are strictly right or wrong, but we must at least understand the perspective, have empathy, and live accordingly.

    And the best way to do that is probably to find another platform other than the National Anthem to protest.

  55. To those of you who say, you not watching the NFL no more…Good Riddance! Don’t let that door knob hit you on the way out. I really wish there was a race role reversal, where whites are put in the place of Blacks. Blacks slave traders assaulted and took white European men, woman and children captive as slaves, blacks tell whites what they can learn and how to learn it, Whites go through the injustices of the Jim Crow South. I know most will see this post and say stop complaining, slavery was x number years ago. But why should people of color stand up for a flag that still represents a time when my people were enslaved. Your law enforcement still embodies the same principles they were created for (to police blacks and keep them in line), your labor laws, child support laws, and educational systems are all designed to keep the black man down. So, why? Why should we respect symbols of a country that has shown me and my people nothing but disrespect?

  56. jamaltimore says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:28 am
    Put my PSL’s up for sale after 22 years. I’ll still watch on TV when convenient but not spending another DIME on NFL product. America is not perfect but it’s the greatest country in the world and I’m not interested in multi million dollar athletes pretending that it’s not.

    I make a good income, but I simply cannot fathom plunking down 5-10K for the right to have a seat reserved for me that doesn’t even include the ticket price…Thats arrogance at it’s best

  57. I cannot even begin to tell you how sad I am that now even football is ruined by politics. It has been a long time since any award show was watchable. Whether the Oscars, Emmys, Tonys, or Grammys you can’t just tune in to see who won and expect it to be about the shows. At worst it used to just be a “Free Tibet” at the end of an acceptance speech or a little scolding about blood diamonds or something but now it is wall to wall beginning to end politics. Ditto all the late night shows which used to be entertaining comedy and interview shows, now just pure politics all the time. At least we still had sports. Not anymore.

  58. torgow says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:39 am
    The players got professionally TROLLED and took the bait. Trump made it about him like he always succeeds in doing.
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    Last I checked this wasn’t about players vs trump, this was about cops killing people and the government protecting those cops from being held accountable no matter how much proof and video there was.

  59. {face palm}

    Utterly hopeless.

    People are watching and this is what this country is up in arms about.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg.

    “It is not the beginning of the end, it is the end of the beginning.”

    Carry on.

  60. “If they make a “social injustice month” for football as they do breast cancer awareness I will not watch for that month. That’s for sure.”

    There are a lot of problems in this country. Injustice, inequality and income gap are just some of them. However the fact that you think there’s something wrong with tackling the problem of injustice says you don’t really know what this country is supposed to be about, which is “liberty and justice for ALL”. Not just Trump and his cronies, not just the 1%, not just one group of people or another. ALL.

  61. Some of you still don’t get it. It’s not that they are protesting, it’s that they are doing it during the anthem. Find a different way to do it. At some point in time morals have to be part of the decision, and if these players grew up in places where morals were in high demand they probably wouldn’t have anything to protest.

  62. Marty says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:43 am
    Pandering? It’s called a love and appreciation for our country and the countless souls who have fought and died bravely to defend our way of living. There’s honor in that, an honor these players, coaches, owners and league executives have sneered at. So maybe a cynic would look at it as pandering, maybe NFL Owners and League Execs look at it as pandering and chalk it up as another form of a ‘business expense.’ But their paying audience sees it much differently.

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    Is football your safe space?

  63. Most logical Americans understand this issue and some can even discuss it across racial lines. I think the Cowboys handled it well this past Sunday at it’s peak. They kneeled in solidarity before, and stood in solidarity for our Flag.

    No one logical (at least those who aren’t genuinely racist) is opposed to any African American or other race voicing his (or her) concerns over both actual and perceived injustices we’ve seen over the course of the last few years.

    With that being said, you can’t kneel for the Anthem that we all collectively represent as Americans, and in turn expect respect yourself for your call to justice while simultaneously giving the finger to the flag. The whole reason we are allowed to kneel in the first place was bought on the blood and tears who died for it.

    Bottom Line — show respect from both sides and try to be bigger than yourself or your town. Kap may have had the best intentions in mind when starting this, but maybe not the best execution. Praise him for at least getting the conversation started.

  64. I’ve seen people put away team apparel until the following season over losing seasons, but never burn it to the ground. This thing is for real to some people. To Lions fans, Barry Sanders is king, as is Calvin Johnson. I still have a Sanders jersey from the 90s and I would never think to torch it. The NFL and NFLPA are fooling themselves if they think many people aren’t serious. Sanders and Johnson jerseys are being thrown onto bonfires in some households. I’ve never seen Lions fans that angry. And believe me, Lions fans have not had a lot to cheer for over the years. I’m hoping that all of us will contribute to taking every concern seriously that people on both sides of the argument have. People rarely speak up for no reason when they have a concern. And in a democracy and as adults, we should be able to find a middle ground. That is a similarity that the anthem’s theme and many protesters share – to live, fight, and work together.

  65. PFT’s Most Moderated says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:32 am
    I never thought I’d hear myself say this, but Josh Norman summed it up perfectly after last Sunday’s game. It’s NOT about disrespecting the military or who has fought and died to defend what our flag represents. That’s NOT what it’s about. It’s about bringing light to an issue that is staring us in the face. People who think the kneeling/sitting is about disrespecting our country, the military, or our veterans need to open their eyes and understand what the real issue is.
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    It no longer matters what the issue is or isn’t, it’s about how the method is being perceived. That’s what it IS about now. No matter how noble or well intended the protest the method has become the madness.

  66. I won’t watch, but the real threat is not people like me that will give up altogether, but the ones who will only watch their own team and not the national games, that is much easier to give up and any national game is 80% non-fans of those teams. I bet at least 25% to 33% give up their non-team’s games and merchandise it will be a lot harder to click that “purchase” button on the internet and the easy “buy the guy a t-shirt” gift will be harder after wives and daughters have been listening to their dads and husbands complain about the sons of canines for 3 months, they certainly don’t want to hear “why’d you buy this?” around the christmas tree.

  67. Superstar players like Brady are out of touch with the average football fan. They do not connect. The last superstar player to connect with your average fan was Peyton Manning. Peyton even visited troops in Afghanistan while playing. When was the last time Brady visited the troops? That matters to middle America.

  68. Where was this overreaction when the nativity scenes had to be removed? The Ten Commandments? Our country has been boxing us in for 70 years. Get over it.

  69. The owners are missing the point. A lot of us have concerns over inequality and many other things. But we watch football to get away from the things that stress us out. We don’t need more at a football game other than if our team is winning or losing. If any of my drivers wanted to protest inequality on their own time I’d be right alongside them. Do it at a customer’s location and I have a problem with that. The NFL is no different.

  70. I put my 6 psl’s up for sale. I have had them for over 20 years….. I have cancelled two road trips for this year which had become a tradition the last 12 years with my son. If any business tells me they don’t appreciate me, fine…I will spend my hard earned dollars elsewhere. I also did NOT watch any football after the National Anthem in London last Sunday. Did not watch last night. Will not watch Sunday. My golf game should improve- now I play Saturdays AND Sundays…. The NFL is playing with FIRE. They may get the sense through the TV Media and social media (twitter, facebook) that way more people agree with players protest than actually do because of their loud voice, but I would bet the house that the majority of their PAYING customers (like me- 6 psl’s, countless shirts, jerseys, hats, memorabilia, paying for team road trips, etc) are OFFENDED. The silent majority.

  71. Just because certain factions are louder doesn’t make them the majority. The NFL is going to be just fine financially. Growth and profits may be down but they’re still growth and profits.

  72. Bloodfart says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:59 am
    torgow says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:39 am
    The players got professionally TROLLED and took the bait. Trump made it about him like he always succeeds in doing.
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    Last I checked this wasn’t about players vs trump, this was about cops killing people and the government protecting those cops from being held accountable no matter how much proof and video there was.

    it WAS about cops killing people and the government protecting those cops. Kap kneeled, everyone put in their 2 cents, then it sort of fizzled out. Trump then trolled America and America, as usual, took the bait. Now it is NFL vs Trump. You could explain this to a 4 year old and they would let you know just how stupid it is. You literally elected an internet troll to run your country. Don’t be surprised that things like this are now the new normal.

  73. I wonder how many of the protesters served our country. With that said, lets delete veteran’s day, most of those that benefit by it haven’t any connection to it.

  74. Perception is reality and the reality is the players’ complete and utter disrespect for the flag, the fans that pay their salaries, and the United States of America.

    It’s so sad that the players could be fooled into following a guy that wore socks with pigs depicted as police officers, a guy that wore a t-shirt in support of a communist dictator, Castro, and support a guy who clearly made up a faux “protest” after being benched for bad play.

    This liberal left and anyone else who chooses to support this nonsense has lost its collective mind.

  75. larryodavid says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:49 am
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    Yeah, you mean way before any of the players even left their lockers until after the anthem was over.
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    I mean back when the players, the league, and the public were unified. A time when the color of your jersey mattered more than the color of your skin. This, however, is a notion that probably escapes you since you seem to be a fan of Larry David’s.

  76. Facts:
    77% of NFL fans are caucasian.
    37% are over age 55.
    25% have incomes greater than 100k annually.

    Given those statistics it is easy to see why owners would be concerned> That demographic is more likely to be paying for entertainment and not political discourse, and the longer the discourse continues the entertainment won’t be enough to keep them in seats
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    I am VET, I understand the fact folks in the minority are upset about the police tending to target them. I also understand everyone has the right to speak out and peacefully protest.

    So I am asking this now. Based on the Washington post these are facts: 987 people were unarmed and killed by police in 2016, 53% were white, 24% were black, 17% Hispanic…. this is what we are all complaining about correct?????

    But in Chicago, 762 people were murdered, there were 3550 shooting incidents and 4331 shooting injuries that occurred in 2016.

    Lets focus on addressing one city at a time and helping to better educate, and open up better economical opportunity to those who strive to do better in education grants. Let People learn to help better themselves and their cities will begin to turn away from an ugly way of life….

    That is worth more effort and time than this kneeling is.

  77. Very few will leave, many will make threats but stay, another small percentage will leave but come back (like on a Monday then come back on Sunday).

    There’s a higher chance people leave because of Goodell than the protests.

    **P.S. Some people complain about NFL players protesting then burn their gear is exactly one of the reasons why America is the way it is. They’re complaining because someone isn’t standing for the flag and protesting peacefully, but they themselves are destroying property to protest the protest? lol. I get it’s their property so it’s their right, but it’s also the players’ rights to protest in a peaceful manner. If people don’t want their gear anymore, I’m sure someone else will be more than happy to take from you…donate that stuff, not destroy it.

  78. Kaep’s original quote: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color”…oppressed you so much that you were able to “opt out” of a 16.5 contract…lol

  79. Haven’t watched a game since Sunday of week 2. Haven’t missed it as much as I thought. I think I’ll keep my money and time dedicated to something that doesn’t disrespect my country. See ya.

  80. The NFL charges for every little time slot during the games. Of corse advertisers have to but also even the honoring of the flag and veterans is charged for and paid for by the military. So perhaps the way to make this fair is that anyone is allowed to stage any protest or statement at a game they want to, but they have to pay for their slot just like everybody else. It will then be up to someone whether a point is important enough to them to put something out of their own pockets toward it. If you are afraid that having to actually commit something not just give lip service would dry up support for the protests then be sure to downvote on this mention of such a concept.

  81. Maybe some will bail this weekend but by a few weeks it will all have returned to normal. The Packers and Bears showed the league how it is possible to do both – show solidarity against the cause as well as respect for the anthem.

    People who stay away will hear about a win, or an big play, injury, or something that will pull them back in.

    In a few weeks the smoke screen put up by Trump to distract from what is going on will have cleared and we’ll hear about another failed healthcare bill, a tax plan that isn’t great, and we’re closer to war with North Korea.

  82. I for one would like to seee the players get outflanked on this. Fans come to the stadium (ticket purchase only), stand for the anthem, one player takes a knee, wait for the anthem to end then siliently turn and walk out of the stadium.

  83. It’s ridiculous that THIS is the line. Oh sure, you can rape, kill, abuse, drink and drive, or do any other number of countless offenses, and we’ll keep watching because you’re just circus animals for our entertainment. But how dare you kneel to try to raise awareness for a social issue!?

    elvoid says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:50 am
    You hear this sentiment quite a bit (someone posted it above, in fact):

    “It’s NOT about disrespecting the military or who has fought and died to defend what our flag represents. That’s NOT what it’s about.”

    While I can wholeheartedly agree that the actual subject of the protests are not about “disrespecting the military… or what our flag represents,” here’s the problem with that stance:

    The chosen act of the protest IS a disrespectful act in an of itself. There are other ways to make your point and protest – countless ways, even – that don’t carry that baggage. In fact, that baggage is making your actual message get lost in the noise – and if you can’t see that, you’re blind.

    This is an easy one:

    Your message may not disrespectful to the flag or those that serve – but your chosen vehicle of delivering that message absolutely is. Period.

    Keep the message. Change the method of delivery.

    You’re welcome.

    The problem is, people “disrespect” the flag on a regular basis and no one’s ever batted an eye. When they display the field length flag, that’s disrespecting it. It should never be horizontal. Where’s the outrage been for that? There shouldn’t be clothes made of the flag’s pattern, or be used in marketing, but I’ve never seen any boycotts on clothing manufacturers or any other companies. Besides, it’s simply kneeling. That is still a sign of respect. It’s not like they’re throwing the finger towards the flag or anything like that.

  84. Conservatives have been whining about boycotting the NFL, but they’re still here whining on PFT and talking about football and playing fantasy. This is the only sport for them.

  85. I’ve watched NFL football every Sunday for 50 years, EVERY Sunday.

    I’m DONE! No more NFL football for me. I’m not made at the players that feel a need to protest social justice. I’m made at the owners that didn’t have the guts to tell them that racial politics and NFL football does NOT mix well. The owners let this go on and on for 13 months.

    I love the veterans, active duty personnel and the National Anthem much more, MUCH MORE, than NFL football. The best All Star team of all time the US Military protects my liberty and freedom for minimum wages. They leave their families for extended times to serve our country. The players entertain me for 3 hours a week. They make millions of dollars for playing a game and do nothing for our country except desecrate our national anthem to make their point.

    I’m DONE!!! No more NFL football in this lifetime.

  86. Agreed! You’re an elite football Mind. Those words “and never return.” Had a chilling effect on me when I read them. I understand that a lot of younger fans of a lot of other interests going.

  87. hoops737 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:36 am
    If they make a “social injustice month” for football as they do breast cancer awareness I will not watch for that month. That’s for sure.

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    Ok… so they all start standing and respecting the flag and the military. That should make many people happier, and it would more accurately reflect how the players feel about the military. Then the players stop protesting during games, and randomly disrupting your sport with politics. That should make some people happy.

    So now people would still be unhappy if there was some kind of event every season for equality where the players wore certain uniforms and participated in certain events to raise awareness?

    So what does that say? It’s not about the anthem, it’s that people don’t think there is an equality issue?

    Why wouldn’t all Americans want to make sure their neighbors, friends and co-workers are treated equally?

    Why is that bad?

  88. elvoid says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:50 am
    You hear this sentiment quite a bit (someone posted it above, in fact):

    “It’s NOT about disrespecting the military or who has fought and died to defend what our flag represents. That’s NOT what it’s about.”

    While I can wholeheartedly agree that the actual subject of the protests are not about “disrespecting the military… or what our flag represents,” here’s the problem with that stance:

    ———–

    Let’s be honest people. The actual subject of Kaep’s original protest was that Kaep was unable to beat out Blaine Gabbert for stating QB. No more….no less.

  89. smarter than you says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:31 am
    Target didn’t believe it would happen either, then their sales tanked. You just can’t offend 1/2 your customers and expect no backlash. Problem is, normal people don’t scream and yell and burn our own cities down, we just take our money elsewhere.
    I bought hockey tickets for the first time in my life.

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    Once you see a NHL in person you will never go back to football. I dumped my DIRECTV NFL package and just watch the regional games. Looking forward to baseball playoffs and start of hockey season.

  90. I seriously doubt that they are going to ever go bankrupt.
    There are and always will be millions of fans to keep the money flowing in.
    As for those leaving?
    They are probably not life long, die hard fans.
    Just bandwagon ones of the sport and the team of their choice in the first place.
    At some point when this is all over, either they will come back to the NFL or others will take their place.

  91. It’s real simple. Rich people, no matter their race are very often bad spokespeople for ‘oppression’.

    Politicians get away with it a lot, Trump got away with it but he also spent a decent chunk of his own change in his campaign. People respect the whole ‘money where your mouth is’ idea.

    If you can’t figure that part out…..your ‘protest’ will more than likely go nowhere.

    I didn’t see any protesting NFL’ers on tv or anywhere talking about any of this during the offseason, did you?

    Where were they? Were they on fancy vacations? Spending tons of dough?

    Were the oppressed people they claim to stand (or in this case, kneel) for on vacation from being oppressed too when the players weren’t on tv?

    You start to see why people call BS on all this?

  92. AGAIN! Pre 2009 pre-game timing rules didn’t even have the teams out for the anthem. If they wanted to be they could. Derrick Thomas us to always go out on days there would be fly overs at Arrowhead.

    Time it so they will still be in the locker room. Don’t even give them a choice to a point. It’s not illegal, it’s not unconstitutional, you just play the anthem at a different time and make it more about the fans that are there and in their seats.

  93. “A league that has openly pandered to the military and the flag….”

    Only a liberal would think honoring our veterans and the American flag is pandering. Does he think the kneeling players are pandering to BLM as well?

  94. Notice the picture at the top of the page? That might give you a clue of the kind of people you are ticking off. The ones who drop $750.00-$1000.00 for tickets,parking,hotel,food and drinks. Keep it up NFL.

  95. I foresee them doing a “moment of silence” where players can kneel/pray before the anthem to appease both sides.

    However, people still don’t understand that their protests are not against the Armed Forces and America. Just against racial injustices and some against the President.

  96. Frazier28/7 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:23 am
    Even if Kaepernick never happened, this league would take a hit eventually.
    Tickets are too expensive, concessions are too expensive, and half the teams/games are a joke.
    The NFL became huge before social media and cell phones. Todays generation is too concerned with selfies and facebook. They don’t live for Sundays and pigskin anymore, because quite frankly, there is more interesting things to do than get ripped off at a mega stadium.
    The NFL became huge because there was nothing really better on and we weren’t constantly glued to our phone. Oh, and it was only Sunday and Monday.

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    In a free market you charge what the supply and demand determines as the optimal price to make profit. The tickets are priced what they should be at based on number of seats available and what people are willing to pay. They could actually charge more for certain tickets as the secondary ticket market is also very profitable for some teams.

    Same goes for concessions.

    I think you are over generalizing the millennials. They still attend live events. TV is definitely different, but the NFL has worked hard to provide streaming services that help to correct that.

    Fantasy is a big reason the fan base increased so much, so if fantasy demand decreases, that definitely would cause revenue to take a hit. I do think that is a factor.

  97. bigblue00 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:10 am

    I mean back when the players, the league, and the public were unified. A time when the color of your jersey mattered more than the color of your skin. This, however, is a notion that probably escapes you since you seem to be a fan of Larry David’s.

    _________________________________________

    People have always had different opinions about things, especially symbolic and social justice issues. Remember Muhammad Ali?

    Unity is really difficult in this day and age since everyone is offended by everything. Times change, people protest stuff. Gotta get over it. There are no safe spaces.

  98. “captainwhodat says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:14 am

    Kaep’s original quote: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color”…oppressed you so much that you were able to “opt out” of a 16.5 contract…lol”

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    You forgot to mention, Kaepernick was whining about how America “oppresses black people”, and the justice system is rigged, while Barrack Obama was President, and Loretta Lynch was Attorney General. smh

  99. Stand. Kneel. Boycott. Sit. Burn stuff. There is not a cell in my body that even slightly cares. I’m a big picture guy, “What is Dalvin Cook going to do for my fantasy football team?”

  100. What people fail to realize in all of this outrage is that the ratings being down goes way beyond this political nonsense. The ratings are going down because the quality of play has decreased a lot.

    Too many rule changes, too many flags, too many long replay reviews, too many bad teams, too much off-field drama, too many commercials, tickets being too expensive, parking being too expensive, concessions being too expensive, people having better things to do in this day and age, etc.

    All of that stuff combined is the real problem. If the NFL thinks that this political stuff is their only problem, they are going to be in for a very rude awakening. And I’m not sure I even care if the decline continues to happen. This game is a shell of itself from when I was a kid growing up.

  101. “The NFL has a long history of players who have committed pretty serious crimes. Drug abusers, rapists, guys who commit domestic violence and even guys accused of committing murder. But it’s taking a knee that’s making all these fans upset? Doesn’t make sense.”

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    You just proved your own point. The country will forgive and allow troubled pasts to make amends and possibly succeed, but then to insult that same country that gave you the second (and third) chance?

    They can go “F” themselves

  102. Has anyone seen the video of the Sacramento Police shooting recently? The video was just released. I think you can find it on YouTube but it’s very difficult to find being released by any of the major news outlets. Apparently it doesn’t fit the narrative. He killed his wife and child and tried to burn their bodies. When he was pulled over he got out of his truck and began walking towards police officers and firing his gun. One of the officers was hit. He was eventually gunned down. I wonder why this is not viewed as news, or why it may be being suppressed? I can’t know for sure, but it looked to me like he got out of his truck and began shooting knowing full well he would die, but he might be able to take out one or two of the police officers before he went. I can’t help but think that part of that kind of hatred is generated when you have a protests or movement that is as fragmented and disoriented as what’s going on with the NFL players, BLM, politicians, Etc. They can’t even articulate what this is about. It changes depending on who you ask, or when you ask. It’s a ridiculous and destructive narrative being pitched by the political left to divide people and activate them and use them as voters in the coming 2018 elections. It’s sickening.

  103. Americas favorite brand says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:43 am

    Correct me if I am wrong but doesnt the military pay the NFL to honor the flag and veterans at games?
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    Not since the NFL got caught and shamed. Talk about an outrage.

  104. theegodfrey says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:21 am
    Listen none of you are going to watching football who are you kidding going to those who say they will boycott this goes for both sides of the fence.
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    What????????


  105. captainwhodat says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:14 am

    Kaep’s original quote: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color”…oppressed you so much that you were able to “opt out” of a 16.5 contract…lol”

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    You forgot, Kaepernick said America “oppresses black people” and the justice system is rigged against people of color, while Barrack Obama was President, and Loretta Lynch was Attorney General. smh

  106. As a Baltimorean, I penned a letter to Ray Lewis and the Ravens offering a suggestion as to how Baltimore fans could get past this issue.

    I asked that: the Raven’s organization
    1) Please apologize to everyone who they “may” have offended and say it was not their intent.
    2) Let fans know that their intent was to bring about changes to make a better America.
    3) Acknowledge there may have been a better way to do this and that they respect and support America,the flag and those who have served.
    4) Promise the community that the organization will continue to work to correct social injustices in the community.
    5)Stand for the anthem.

    The response…crickets. That is the NFL’s biggest issue…EGO

  107. How about standing for the anthem to salute and thank the vast majority of cops that serve the public and do a great job instead of kneeling to protest the vast minority who are d-bags. There are bad apples in every profession and walk of life.

  108. “Yes, the concerns the players are raising are much bigger than whether their large paychecks shrink a little. But if there’s a way to harmonize the expression of those concerns with the fans who always will believe that kneeling or sitting during the anthem constitutes the kind of disrespect that will push them away, the players in their capacity as businessmen should want to find it.

    One team at a time, players seem to be realizing that there’s a way to raise these concerns without creating the perception of disrespect to flag, country, military. If/when all 32 teams come to that point, the President can declare victory, devote one of 140 characters to a thumb’s up emoji to the NFL, and everyone can move on.”

    It’s always been simple Florio, the players have to stop acting like ignorant morons.

    Take the racial lens out of it. Nothing about this is racial. It’s about policy.

    Stop antagonizing America with your ignorant take on the militarization of police by protesting during the anthem.

    It’s not hard. Don’t pretend only people of color face these issues. Don’t pretend only white people created this situation. Don’t piss off the wrong people.

    Basically it’s to lose the position. Don’t do what they’ve been doing, and stop being ignorant about what is actually happening in the US and how we got here. It’s not about race, it’s about policy.

    Keep pretending that it is the fault of white people, and that white privilege somehow protects white people from feeling the effects of the militarization of the police that the hundreds of white peoples deaths to police last year didn’t happen, and keep antagonizing America with such a position during the anthem, and you will reap what you sow NFL and NFLPA and deserve it with less $$$.

  109. nhpats says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:23 am

    Let’s be honest people. The actual subject of Kaep’s original protest was that Kaep was unable to beat out Blaine Gabbert for stating QB. No more….no less.
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    Do you get paid to post this lie over and over and over and over, etc.?

  110. jonwill57 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:27 am
    There’s never a good time or convenient place to protest…says those who see no evil and hear no evil.
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    jonwill57…I had a thought. If the Raven’s and Jaguars, when in England, would have stood and saluted the flag. After the game, reporters would have asked why. Their response, we love our country and we believe in the symbolism of the flag and we are going to use that symbolism to affect social change! They would be Hero’s today!!

    Just a thought.

  111. wartface says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:18 am
    I’ve watched NFL football every Sunday for 50 years, EVERY Sunday.

    I’m DONE! No more NFL football for me. I’m not made at the players that feel a need to protest social justice. I’m made at the owners that didn’t have the guts to tell them that racial politics and NFL football does NOT mix well. The owners let this go on and on for 13 months.

    I love the veterans, active duty personnel and the National Anthem much more, MUCH MORE, than NFL football. The best All Star team of all time the US Military protects my liberty and freedom for minimum wages. They leave their families for extended times to serve our country. The players entertain me for 3 hours a week. They make millions of dollars for playing a game and do nothing for our country except desecrate our national anthem to make their point.

    I’m DONE!!! No more NFL football in this lifetime.
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    Then you have zero clue as to what freedom really means.

  112. What does the “National Felon League” know about respect? They live in a bubble, and now are finding out that there is a silent majority that do not agree with them. It must be a shot to their inflated egos.

  113. httr4life4ever says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:57 am
    To those of you who say, you not watching the NFL no more…Good Riddance! Don’t let that door knob hit you on the way out. I really wish there was a race role reversal, where whites are put in the place of Blacks. Blacks slave traders assaulted and took white European men, woman and children captive as slaves, blacks tell whites what they can learn and how to learn it, Whites go through the injustices of the Jim Crow South. I know most will see this post and say stop complaining, slavery was x number years ago. But why should people of color stand up for a flag that still represents a time when my people were enslaved. Your law enforcement still embodies the same principles they were created for (to police blacks and keep them in line), your labor laws, child support laws, and educational systems are all designed to keep the black man down. So, why? Why should we respect symbols of a country that has shown me and my people nothing but disrespect?
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    I am sure planes fly out of this country on a daily basis. Get on one and go fix “your” country- but skip Nigeria since most of your black rival tribes sold other blacks into slavery to begin with. Not that you were ever a slave- or your father, or his father etc etc

  114. Facts:
    77% of NFL fans are caucasian.
    37% are over age 55.
    25% have incomes greater than 100k annually.

    Given those statistics it is easy to see why owners would be concerned> That demographic is more likely to be paying for entertainment and not political discourse, and the longer the discourse continues the entertainment won’t be enough to keep them in seats…………………………………………..

    It’s terrible for any business to not identify and protect their core base..

  115. NFL is declining because of their trash athletes who are always in trouble with the law for either drugs or domestic violence. When one of their biggest stars scores a touch down he crawls on all fours and pisses like a dog. And they are always crying about how rough they have it when we all have to deal with the same crap as them but down get to travel around the world or party with celebrities all the time. It’s these new age players that are ruining the league

  116. bigdbaby says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:45 am
    Put my PSL’s up for sale after 22 years. I’ll still watch on TV when convenient but not spending another DIME on NFL product. America is not perfect but it’s the greatest country in the world and I’m not interested in multi million dollar athletes pretending that it’s not.

    Ha HA. PSL’s did not exist 22 years ago
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    Actually , yes they did. In Baltimore we had to buy ours in 1995 / 96.

  117. nhpats says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:23 am

    Let’s be honest people. The actual subject of Kaep’s original protest was that Kaep was unable to beat out Blaine Gabbert for stating QB. No more….no less.
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    How about being honest yourself? Do you get paid every time you post this lie?

  118. You can bet your butt that the owners are way nervous. The drop in tv ratings, approx 20%, over the last year and thus far this season has them worried. IF the trend continues, that will be a drop of approx $30 million per team per year in income. The GB Packers had a profit last year of $30 million. Assuming the other teams were in that range, that makes each teams profit about zero.

    If the transcript of the meeting Tuesday, I would suspect that the NFL and the Owners present told the players the protests during the National Anthem would immediately stop.

    Mike, why not try to get those transcripts so we can see them?

  119. So it’s not about disrespecting the flag, it’s just about calling the United States a racist nation. Patriotism and respecting our flag is an American tradition. Another American tradition is taking responsibility for you own actions. Why should anyone take a knee in protest to problems brought on by bad personal decisions? Don’t point the finger at others when your having kids out of wedlock, breaking the law or failing to study at school. This goes for everyone of all races.

  120. Football is entertainment. Just like movies and music are entertainment. I don’t agree with the stance or political opinions of many of the actors in movies I watch, or singers of music I listen to. I also don’t care about the stance or political opinions of the football players. They are all entertainment to me. So I will continue to go to games, watch on TV, and listen on the radio until they are no longer entertaining me. It’s really that simple to me.

  121. larryodavid says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:37 am

    People have always had different opinions about things, especially symbolic and social justice issues. Remember Muhammad Ali?

    Unity is really difficult in this day and age since everyone is offended by everything. Times change, people protest stuff. Gotta get over it. There are no safe spaces.
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    People are entitled to their opinions, however there is a time and place to discuss that. I do not force my opinion on the customers who come into my store, and that should be no different for a company like the NFL.

    Where we do agree is that everyone is over sensitive and offended by everything lately. There’s an old saying about opinions I would like to say, but I imagine that would be frowned upon by our loyal moderators.

  122. Alot like to say that disrespecting the flag and what it stands for isnt what its about.When you kneel during the honoring of the flag then yes thats what its about. Its really not an opinion. Do you go to someones funeral and protest? I mean cmon get ur heads outta ur ass and look at things with an objective truth. Don’t be ignorant to the situation. They chose to protest during the anthem therefore they made it about it the flag and what it represents, otherwise they wouldnt do it during the anthem. These guys dont even understand that the reason they even have a platform to protest from or the reason that flag is still waving is because of those who made REAL sacrifices for that flag. Nobody is complaining about black people protesting, its the way they go about it.The way to create change is certainly not offending a majority of the country you live in.

  123. Sports, music and movies are entertainment. We spend our hard earned dollars to afford this luxury. Hollywood is complaining about movie revenue down. Why you ask, because the actors constantly tell you what you should think. Now the NFL has allowed politics in too. Was Trump wrong, yes, were the players played, YOU BET. Are they going to lose fans because of this, yes. Go back to 2003 and see what happened when the Dixie Chicks opened their pie holes in British soil. Their careers imploded. Same thing will happen here too, just on a grander scale. It’s exhausting listening to all of this nonsense. If you want to protest injustice, that’s perfectly ok, just don’t do it at my expense. My Sundays are supposed to be fun watching the gridiron, not debated.

  124. What worries me is not the protests but folks who call themselves patriots care more about the flag than what that flag is supposed to represent. As African Americans we have loved this country even when not reciprocated, we have died in every war this country has fought and still we die at the hands of those charged with protecting our rights, we live under a President who at best is oblivious, at worst is a racist, and you want to feign love of country, “We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal”, well if you truly loved this country the you would be protesting also because until we live by this quote that flag is just a piece of cloth.

  125. This Sunday, I will have to clean the garage or change the oil instead of watching my team, who will be playing their arch rival. But I am not going to “prostitute” my personal beliefs. They violated my country and flag. The NFL is not that important, even after 50 years of watching. So…”Cold Turkey”. Season’s over in my mind.

  126. The players AND owners forget all the time that without the fans dishing out 150.00 a jersey or more, 100 plus dollars a ticket, 5 dollars soda’s etc they would not be making the money they do. I for one hope the fans stop watching and going. These prices have been ridiculous for years. The NFL has peaked in popularity so they better watch and be careful what they do.

  127. mmack66 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:46 am
    nhpats says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:23 am

    Let’s be honest people. The actual subject of Kaep’s original protest was that Kaep was unable to beat out Blaine Gabbert for stating QB. No more….no less.
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    Do you get paid to post this lie over and over and over and over, etc.?

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    Embrace the truth son….this entire mess was caused by Kaep’s pouring

  128. Several fans seem to be of the belief that the NFL will take a financial hit when they sell their season tickets. While it’s certainly anyone’s right to sell their tickets for whatever reason, or none, the secondary ticket holder’s spending will replace that of the primary ticket holder and the league will go on as if nothing happened. If anything, the secondary ticket holder will buy apparel to christen his new status as a season ticket holder, helping to further enrich the league. All they do is win, win, win.

  129. Well, the NFL could learn a lesson from ESPN, which as a network never thought that they’d lose viewers due to their politicization of sports.

    Well, ESPN is losing viewers and money hand-over-fist. Hopefully, those running the NFL are smart enough not to walk down that road, but I’m not holding my breath.

  130. makinafootballmove says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:57 am

    People who live in the real world know that protesting for your favorite cause while at work will get you fired.
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    At a company meeting this morning, I took a knee for have your pets spayed or neutered. Still have a job. Even got a few donations.

  131. Very simple for the NFL. Suspend players, (w/o pay), 1 game for first kneel, 3 games for 2nd kneel, and the entire rest of the season for anything after that. Once these over-valued dimwits take a hit to their pocket book, they will finally get it. The fans get enough political discourse on a daily basis. On Sunday’s we just want to relax and root for our team. Heck, I bet half of these idiot players don’t even know what they are kneeling for.

  132. You should see the energy and activity on the Boycott NFL pages and groups. They have already lost a huge fan base and are about to lose their sponsors.

  133. mjb2017blog says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:37 am
    Good Riddance to all those who are planning to boycott the NFL. Bye Bye don’t let that door knob hit you on the way out. All this does is tell me that people are so closed minded to the issues the players are protesting. They don’t want this country to change get to a better place, they want the status quo. But I wish there was a role reversal…whites in the place of blacks. Then and only then would they get a realization of what injustices blacks have gone through all of these years. Most will see this statement and say stop complaining, but you will never feel another persons pain until you place yourselves in their shoes.

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    i dont think thats true at all. i think the fans feel that the players should be using their platform in a more positive way. for example, do more in the community, say less at the games.

  134. Where was all this outrage when draft-dodger Trump criticized war hero John MCcain and disrespected a Blue Star family?

  135. So are all of you outraged NFL boycotting folks giving up Fantasy Football too? If not, don’t pretend that your outrage is over the flag and treatment of vets.

  136. People are so outraged over the protesting, however when they sit at home to watch games, they don’t stand when anthem is played during games. They act like their the biggest patriot on social media and they know they are to busy stuffing their faces with snack food and chicken wings when they sit at home watching games

  137. This is a perfect time to oust Goodell. He’s only causing more controversy by allowing players to do whatever they want so long as they’re not supporting meaningful causes.

  138. walker1191 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 2:32 pm
    Where was all this outrage when draft-dodger Trump criticized war hero John MCcain and disrespected a Blue Star family?
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    #1 he didn’t disrespect any blue star family. Maybe a prop provided by there dems with a lot of fake outrage but no real insults
    #2 McCain is NOT a war hero. He is an ex POW. That’s not heroic.

  139. yourunclerico: you’re delusional.

    To the point, I have a question for those crying about their patriotism: why do you not listen to the many many people who have told you its not about the troops or the country and the veterans that agree with their protest? Why do you ignore what you’re being told while being “offended” for a group of people telling you to stop? Why weren’t you offended for the decades before standing on the field for the anthem was done?

  140. benwaballs11 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:09 am
    Perception is reality and the reality is the players’ complete and utter disrespect for the flag, the fans that pay their salaries, and the United States of America.

    It’s so sad that the players could be fooled into following a guy that wore socks with pigs depicted as police officers, a guy that wore a t-shirt in support of a communist dictator, Castro, and support a guy who clearly made up a faux “protest” after being benched for bad play.

    This liberal left and anyone else who chooses to support this nonsense has lost its collective mind.

    Everyone is forgetting the fact that Kaepernick was lead down the anti CHRISTIAN path by his Muslim girlfriend, this BS is about more than what meets the eye. Christianity is under siege in America and stools like Kap are leading the way.

  141. I too have stopped watching football, mainly because Colin Kaepernick was being whiteballed for bringing light to a situation. But if my fellow Americans for one second try to understand that Kaep did not kneel to protest the flag, he knelt to bring light to serious social injustices that have continued to persist in this country. If you recall, Kaep sat quietly for 2 weeks until asked about why he was sitting. He then had a conversation with a teammate who is a military veteran and together decided that taking a knee would bring light to an issue and would still respect the flag and the ideals that the flag stands for. Most Americans agree that America is the greatest country on earth. And it is our freedom to choose and the 1st Amendment that makes it great. I love America and am as patriotic as the next man and I agree with James Baldwin who said “I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.” As for disrespecting veterans, I think that is a convenient excuse to lash out at something you don’t like. It has been stated and re-stated that this protest has nothing to do with the military. Not to mention that the NFL was not thinking about the military until the military decided to pay the NFL and NFL teams close to 3 million dollars a year to advertise to its fans. While I honor and respect the brave men and women who fight to secure our democracy, I can’t help but to think about the Black servicemen who were beat, assaulted and hanged, in their military uniforms, when they returned from WWI & WWII because some folks in this country did not want them thinking they had any rights in this country, especially political and economic rights. Given the comments on this thread, I’m sure I will get hundreds of thumbs down, and that’s cool. But for those that really love America and belief in “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” for all Americans, find a way to have a friendly dialogue with someone with an opposing view and listen to where they are coming from. You might not agree but at least we listen and here each other out. And that is a start to moving things in the right direction. Football may go away but “We the people” will be here forever. Or until Trump and Kim Jong Un decide to wipe us off the face of the earth.

  142. pappyjoe69: he’s literally praying on the field. Praying is kinda your thing. Think about how dumb what you just said sounds.

  143. coachkew says:
    September 29, 2017 at 4:23 pm

    Get over it people. The sooner we move on from this the faster athletes return to standing and respecting the flag and National Anthem.

  144. yourunclerico says:
    I am sure planes fly out of this country on a daily basis. Get on one and go fix “your” country- but skip Nigeria since most of your black rival tribes sold other blacks into slavery to begin with. Not that you were ever a slave- or your father, or his father etc etc
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    Funny, that’s always the quick response, fly out the country and go to (fix) your country. You think you know my family history. Look up the Quander (my) family and then tell me who was a slave and who wasn’t a slave within my family. Go to the hood one weekend, spend your time there (you won’t) I know cause your scared. Put yourself in the shoes on a black man in America and then we can have a discussion. Until then fix this country because people like you and YOUR President are killing it slowly.

  145. objectivefootballfan says:
    September 29, 2017 at 10:56 am
    Players are not protesting the flag, it has nothing to do with the American Flag. NFL Players are protesting Police Brutality and Social Injustice and they are doing it Peacefully. People need to stop saying players are disrespecting the flag because they are DEAD WRONG.
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    I believe it is you who are wrong. Players are kneeling because of their beliefs that there is police brutality but by choosing to do so during the national anthem THEY are making it about the flag and what it stands for.

    I will quote Kaepernick’s original statement to prove my point (which means this likely will never get past the moderators). When asked why he sat during the national anthem Kaepernick said “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color”. His original protest was directly against the flag and country because he believe there is oppression. THAT was the original message. Not supporting the flag and the country for which it stands was the message. The reason for the message was a poorly thought out belief of systemic and institutional racism/oppression.

  146. YOU FRIGGIN’ RACISTS AND UNPATRIOTIC FOOLS DON’T LIKE IT, THEN DON’T WATCH. FAT CHANCE. YOU ALL WOULD RATHER WHINE ABOUT BEING MADE TO THINK. BUT YOU AIN’T GOIN’ ANYWHERE.

    WHITE WIMPS WITH NO TALENT THINK THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO TELL OTHERS HOW AND WHEN THEY CAN EXERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

    Signed:

    White guy who hates numb-nuts “fans” who think anyone cares what they have to say

  147. Anyone take note of all the neo-patriots with their hats off and held over their hearts during last night’s rendition of the National Anthem???…in sports bar no less. Yeah…like that’s ever happened in the past…I’m sold.

    I think Florio’s use of the term “pandering” hit it square on the nutz. 90% of the boneheads posting here are upset because someone TOLD them they should be upset. “Duh… OK Rocko, I’ll be mad then too.”

  148. A bit of unasked-for advice to the protesters

    1) Read the story of the killing of the golden goose that laid the golden eggs
    2) Don’t KEEP biting the hand that feeds you.

  149. How about standing for the anthem to salute and thank the vast majority of cops that serve the public and do a great job instead of kneeling to protest the vast minority who are d-bags. There are bad apples in every profession and walk of life.
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    why have cops and military vets gotten so riled up about this? there is no disrespect meant towards them. america isn’t about just them, it’s about the nation as a whole. what makes america so great is that we indeed have that right to peacefully protest. it all just sounds hypocritical to me. be happy we have these rights but don’t exercise them?

  150. My parents are staunch conservatives, pedantic almost. I am conservative, but more moderate than they are. With that said, do NOT have the players come out for the national anthem. They’re only doing it for the attention and it deters from football, which is what we, the consumers, want to see, and quite frankly, the only thing 90 percent of players are qualified to do.

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