Thursday Night Football ratings won’t be easy to spin this week

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With everyone paying attention to how the national anthem issue is affecting the NFL’s ratings, Thursday night’s Bears-Packers ratings will be closely monitored. Unfortunately for both sides, the numbers will not be easy to spin.

CBS and NFL Network combined for a 9.9 overnight rating. That makes the game the most-watched TV program in America last night, and it’s an increase over the 8.6 rating that CBS and NFL Network got from last year’s Bears-Packers Thursday night game, which was in Week Seven. It’s also a big increase over the 4.8 rating that last year’s Thursday night Week Four game received, although that game was only on NFL Network, not on CBS.

However, it’s also a decrease from the 10.6 overnight rating that last year’s first Thursday Night Football CBS game got. So compared to the first game of the shared CBS-NFL Network schedule last year, Bears-Packers was down.

It’s also particularly difficult to assess Thursday night’s game because there was a long weather delay that came after a first quarter that the Packers dominated. We don’t know how many people decided not to bother with the rest of the game once the weather delay started.

So if you want to claim NFL ratings are down because of the anthem issue, or up because people love football, Thursday night’s ratings give you some data to support your point of view and some data that conflicts with your point of view.

139 responses to “Thursday Night Football ratings won’t be easy to spin this week

  1. I’m watching all the games, along with my kids. We’re not a racist family, so we don’t feel guilty about anything. But we love football, and nothing is going to change that.

  2. The damage done by these short sighted protesters will mostly never heal, they really turned off a lot of people.

  3. “Thursday Night Football ratings won’t be easy to spin this week”……then gives an article detailing how both sides can easily spin the ratings

  4. The media doesn’t get it. People want to WATCH THE GAME, not hear about protests and activism. Football is supposed to be an escape from our everyday grind. I watched it last night b/c of the football, nothing else. So to spin high ratings as somehow the public loving these protests is absurd. If it had been a Bears/Bucs matchup I guarantee viewership would’ve been much lower.

  5. Our points of view dont matter so they can spin it how they want to us. What matters are the media analysts that work for the advertisers and advise their management on how to value their contracts with the NFL.

  6. I’m not in denial that enough people will give up their entertainment to support their cause. That’s just the sad fact. I however am one of the few that has stopped watching. And I’ll continue to not watch until they bury this fiasco

  7. Our points of view dont matter so they can spin it how they want to us. What matters are the media analysts that work for the advertisers and advise their management on how to value their contracts with the NFL.

  8. Our points of view dont matter so they can spin it how they want to us. What matters are the media analysts that work for the advertisers and advise their management on how to value their contracts with the NFL.

  9. The game was essentially over by the time of the weather delay, and definitely by halftime. That could have had a lot to do with it.

  10. A 9.9 overnight is good and with the streaming options available to viewers it is really good. I have lots of friends threatening to leave and haven’t seen one do it yet. They all have their fantasy teams and some on Draftkings as well. Their too invested.

  11. The only view that gained real traction last night is that Thursday night games are dangerous for everybody. I’ve never witnessed so many injuries paired with so many turnovers. It could have been pure coincidence, but that game was a disaster.

  12. No one really likes the Thursday night games anyways. The NFL should ignore the alt-right conservatives who are being told to boycott by right wing talk shows. They’ll be back anyways. The NFL really needs to focus on getting rid of the Thursday games, lowering ticket prices, and stop gouging fans at the stadiums.

    America has a short attention span. The whole protest thing was dying down until Trump decided to stick his unwanted nose in the issue to reignite the powder keg. Way to go Donnie boy.

  13. How about Amazon couldn’t get the stream to work via iPads, only on PC last night. So if you left somewhere with a tv and pc to go watch it via mobile you got hosed. No notices, just hosed.

    And what you did see finally an hour later was a decent game but some announcer had such a muted, mundane voice it made you turn off the tv. I.e. Romo.

  14. the ones complaining about the kneelers are hypocrites. You knew they’d watch. all bark, no bite. as always.

  15. Well I skipped it, I skipped MON. & SUN night football also. I cancelled NFL red zone.

    If the Pat’s players continue to protest they will also be history.

    Look out BELOW….

  16. Mark Twain said it best:
    “Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: ‘There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.'”

  17. Just have to get someone out there to do some different kind of protest before the game. The media will inevitably ask what the protest was, and the guy will say that he’s protesting something like abortion.

    The left media (CBS, ESPN, NFL, NBC) will make sure nobody sees the protests ever again.

  18. The lightning storm and stoppage of play definitely impacted ratings. How can you possibly say it didn’t. Some of us on the east coast actually go to sleep at night.

  19. edukator4 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:36 am
    any way to tell if people tuned in for the anthem and made a decision to stay or leave past that point?
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    If there are people that actually tune in just to see what happens during the anthem….then I give up on all of humanity!

  20. The Bears stink. I think last years Bears Packers game is a much better comparable.

    I intended to tune in to this game because I was a bit excited about the Howard and Cohen after last week. However, after I saw the score was already 14-0 after 7 min I didn’t bother.

    If not for two of the Bears games being so competitive I would have never thought of tuning into a Bears game.

  21. I didn’t watch primary because most games suck, see Ravens-Jags in London. Second, it’s late and some of us have to go to work. And lastly, these protests are taking attention away from the games, and I am sick of listening arguments for or against.

  22. I watched, and will be watching this weekend. If some guy on TV takes a knee for the anthem, that’s his choice and nothing that impacts me in the slightest.

  23. I was a bit excited about watching Howard and Cohen, but the score was already 14-0 when I arrived home, so I didn’t bother tuning in.

    Last years Bears packers game is a better comparable because the Bears just aren’t generally competitive enough yet to draw a national audience.

  24. If a Good team (or teams) are playing, I’ll watch.

    I’ll gladly tune in to watch Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, Ben Rothlesburger, or Russel Wilson throw it around.

    Blake Bortles, Josh McCown, or Hoyer? Not so much.

  25. When the results are “Too close to spin”, that’s a victory for the league. Because it means that if in fact anybody actually stopped watching because of the protest, it certainly wasn’t the mass exodus predicted by the Trumpflakes.

    My prediction is for every 100 Trumpflakes Who have vowed to never watch football again, one may actually stop. And even that one will start watching again before too long

  26. You can toss this anyway you want , Bears fans were optimistic and showed up to watch ….blah blah blah but in the end it comes down to the combined network total .

    “So compared to the first game of the shared CBS-NFL Network schedule last year, Bears-Packers was down.”

  27. TV ratings are one thing, ticket sales are another. TickPick claims that ticket sales are down 17.9% from last week. I think this whole season will be interesting and there’s not too much definitively that you can tell week to week. If players continue protesting during the national anthem, the NFL will take a hit. If they realize that they don’t have to disrespect the national anthem to protest, they still have a chance of retaining a lot of people who are still on the fence.

  28. So, y’all are boycotting football, yet continue to post comments on an NFL-related website?? If you’re going to go away, just go away, from all of it. We don’t need you and the NFL doesn’t need you, either.

  29. Easy to spin – total impressions had to go up because the televised game had an extra hour or so of coverage. This means that more people had the opportunity to cycle in and out of the broadcast, thus increasing sampling and increasing overall impressions.

  30. The 9.9 this year is possibly a lower total number of viewers than last year the night after the debate when everyone was watching fake news spin Hillary’s tremendous effort in advance of her coronation scheduled for a few weeks later.

  31. I was able to watch the game via Amazon on my iPad; there were some sound issues initially but it straightened out and the stream was very clear throughout. I turned it off late in the third quarter. But it was a very good streaming experience via Amazon on the iPad.

  32. You’ll know the ratings are in free fall when the NFL starts putting ads on the Red Zone channel. That will be the strongest indication that viewers are tuning out the regular games.

  33. ch0rn says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:46 am

    No matter what happens, CNN will call it racist.

    _________

    They will also point out all the fascist neo-Nazis that had their hands over their chests during the anthem.

    They will also point out loads of Russian moles in the crowd- wearing Carhart jackets and cheese wedges on their heads in order to go undetected.

  34. Okay, okay I see what’s happening here
    You’re face-to-face with greatness and it’s strange
    You don’t even know how you feel, it’s adorable
    Well, it’s nice to see that Liberals never change
    Open your eyes, let begin
    Yes, it’s really me, it’s Trump, breath it in
    I know it’s a lot: the hair, the hands
    When you’re staring at a demigod

    What can I say except “your welcome”?
    For the election, the anthem, the triggering
    Hey, it’s okay, it’s okay you’re welcome
    I’m just a ordinary Demi-guy!

  35. Does anyone remember the anthem being played before a 1pm regular season game on TV?

    No. They used to straight to the kickoff. The networks obviously have an agenda based on this teamed with their refusal to show disgruntled fans last week.

  36. My tv stayed on after seeing all players standing for the flag. Otherwise, buh-bye. Pretty sure I’m not alone on that one.

  37. joetoronto says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:36 am
    The damage done by these short sighted protesters will mostly never heal, they really turned off a lot of people.

    _____________________________________

    They turned off the people who are the right wing equivalent of the liberal triggered snowflake. “Can’t bear to watch. Someone did something I don’t like.”

  38. I now tune in to watch 2 minutes into the first quarter so I don’t have to listen to the political BS. I even turn the sound off as to not listen to the left wing announcers.

    I will watch the game but nothing more.

  39. “sweetnlow44 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 12:04 pm
    TV ratings are one thing, ticket sales are another. TickPick claims that ticket sales are down 17.9% from last week. I think this whole season will be interesting and there’s not too much definitively that you can tell week to week. If players continue protesting during the national anthem, the NFL will take a hit. If they realize that they don’t have to disrespect the national anthem to protest, they still have a chance of retaining a lot of people who are still on the fence.”

    Stadium attendance in the NFL for week 3
    2016 – 1,111,097
    2017 – 1,079,660

    Stadium attendance in the NFL for week 4
    2016 – 1,023,936
    2017 – We shall see soon ……

  40. Article fails to account for streaming: I watched on Amazon Fire TV, which was pretty painless: really clean picture and no buffering issues.

    As for protests? C’mon…making it about the physical symbols of patriotism is merely the Orange Howler Monkey’s way of playing Defame, Divert, and Divide yet again…the only thing he’s been able to accomplish is to wreak havoc and make mountains out of molehills, thereby keeping us snapping and slashing at each other.

  41. moosejawman says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:50 am
    No matter how you slice it, people watched for the anthem and how the fans would react. The Packer fans stood with America, not the players or owners

    —————
    Not really, i turned on the set a few minutes before kickoff then I was in the kitchen puttering until I heard the kickoff go. Thats pretty much what I have always done for years. As such I usually miss the kickoff play but I am settled in by the first or second scrimmage play. Anything else is long since over by then. And btw, they used to not televise the anthem anyhow, not always, but often not.

  42. They turned off the people who are the right wing equivalent of the liberal triggered snowflake. “Can’t bear to watch. Someone did something I don’t like.”
    ——————————————————————————————————————
    ….or it’s something that doesn’t impact my life directly and can’t relate to and until it does, I don’t care.

  43. There are actually people in this country so stupid and empty that they will stop watching football because some men are silently and peacefully wishing for a better America on bended knee.

    Imbeciles are offended by all the wrong things………..

  44. The ratings for the NFL for ALL of last season was down around 8%. It’s not about one game or a few games but the trend and the trend for the NFL is down. It’s not just the protests but poor quality of play, softer game, too many commercials, etc. The saying that you can’t see the forest for the trees applies well here.

  45. BillAndTomsAsteriskAdventure says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:55 am
    At least the fans in GB weren’t fooled into turning Lambeau into some weepy safe space.
    ——
    That’s cute. Look in the mirror. The kneeler complainers are the snowflakes. Lambeua was a safe space. They didn’t kneel because they didn’t want to offend YOU!!

  46. You’ll know the ratings are in free fall when the NFL starts putting ads on the Red Zone channel. That will be the strongest indication that viewers are tuning out the regular games.

    Couldn’t be further from the truth. The whole objective of any effort is to sell advertising (read: revenue streams). The trouble with doing so for Red Zone is “when can you cut away?” and that can now be resolved by using the quarter-screen trick they’ve developed. You can probable expect them to start selling ads whenever the new advertising contract year comes around.

  47. The only way to spin it if the ratings were up is that people tuned in specifically to see what happened during the anthem. Pretty straight forward.

  48. …so the ratings would be EASY to spin, since there are stats that would support either side. Anyone that wants to construct a narrative around it would have all the ammo they need, regardless of what their stance is… again, how is this a tough spin at all when the stats don’t point definitively in any direction?

  49. “There are actually people in this country so stupid and empty that they will stop watching football because some men are silently and peacefully wishing for a better America on bended knee.

    Imbeciles are offended by all the wrong things……….”

    No, you don’t get it. People want to watch football not be bombarded with political and social BS in a place that it isn’t meant to be nor wanted by the fan base. The cause is entirely irrelevant. They could be kneeling in support of rainbows and unicorns and the reaction would be the same.

  50. And if you’d like a better example of people not wanting politics mixed with their sports, just look at ESPN’s tanking numbers.

  51. I believe there are people not watching due to the fact kaepernick does not have a job and people like glennon continue to be put out there as if they are starting quarterbacks. After seeing that clown show of a quarterback last night and a few Sunday it is clear kaepernick should be in the league somewhere.

  52. Also, it streamed on Amazon Prime. So dozens might have watched it that way after finishing Transparent or The Tick.

  53. Never seen one weather delay, much less two weather delays in a season before until this year. The wussification of the NFL is bringing it down.

  54. The Texas Iowa State game was not great in all aspects, but at least close and competitive and I didn’t see anybody protesting against the country. Thursday Night, is College Night! Let them spin it however they want doesn’t mean myself or any member my family is rushing back to the NFL any time soon. Certainly continue to enjoy reading about the mess though!

  55. I mean, does it really have anything to do with protests or the decline of the NFL in general…or does it have more to do with inaccessibility to the game? A lot of people are leaving cable TV behind and that number will grow every year. I know because im one of them. And while the NFL is trying to remedy that by setting up a system to stream games, when that also requires a cable subscription, you are losing those viewers outright. I readily admit that I watched on a pirate stream because the NFL cant come up with their own way to do it right. So my views, and everyone else who used that system arent counted. All the people who like the NFL but just cant watch the non sunday ticket games arent counted. Those numbers add up. And until the NFL gets it through its head that requiring cable to stream a game over internet defeats the purpose, they are going to continue to see drops in viewership as they shut out the cable cutters

  56. screamingyellowzonkers says:
    September 29, 2017 at 12:30 pm
    I now tune in to watch 2 minutes into the first quarter so I don’t have to listen to the political BS. I even turn the sound off as to not listen to the left wing announcers.

    I will watch the game but nothing more.
    _________________________________

    That’ll teach ‘em!

  57. They didn’t kneel because they didn’t want to offend YOU!!
    ———————————————

    You are correct, in a sense. They did not kneel because they did not want to offend 50% of their fans, and the 50% of the revenue that those people produce. Check out the results of Target offending 50% of their customer base…$2 billion in lost sales and 40% drop in stock price.
    I would wager that the other reason they did not kneel is because the owners told them not to.

  58. does anybody else wonder what we’d be talking about if these protests didn’t exist? Zeke Elliott? Tom Brady’s diet? OBJ’s relationship with the kicking net? JJ Watt raised an otherworldly amount of money for hurricane victims and nobody cares.

  59. I’m a cord cutter and the majority of cord cutters I know use HD bunny ears, so the suggestion that it’s effecting their ratings is laughable. They still get the hits from terrestrial viewers.

    People don’t want to watch anymore. It’s not just the protests. The game is not fun anymore, the players are absolute jerks and all you hear is whining. Not to mention, the NFL is as corrupt as Big Tobacco.

    Most of us just want to watch the game with our families and have no stress. All they do is bring stress into that.

    I mute the TV when I watch games. I turn it on after the anthem, skip half time and turn it right off afterwards. I stopped watching anything but the Eagles years ago.

  60. Purple People Eaters says:
    September 29, 2017 at 12:05 pm
    So, y’all are boycotting football, yet continue to post comments on an NFL-related website?? If you’re going to go away, just go away, from all of it. We don’t need you and the NFL doesn’t need you, either

    *No

    This is our country and we’re taking it back. We’ve had enough of you getting our tv shows cancelled and our bakers having their businesses crushed. We love football, and some choose to sneak a peek without benefiting the league because this is temporary. You wanna talk about police brutality, fine, just not during the game! But you better be willing to talk about some of the problems that lead to it too. And a piece of advice…. it’s a free country, but if you want to be taken seriously I wouldn’t wear a Castro shirt and fail to vote.

  61. “Never seen one weather delay, much less two weather delays in a season before until this year. The wussification of the NFL is bringing it down.”

    Yeah, would have been a much better idea to have 60,000 people sitting on metal bleachers during a lightning storm.

  62. 60 years of NFL for me. 1st time I didnt get the package. bc the product put on the field sucks. Theres a flag on the play. rinse and repeat. buh bye

  63. That players were criticized and called disrespectful for standing for the anthem and linking arms, while fans who refused to do so were considered “allies”, says everything you need to know about how people who care more about symbols than their actual fellow human beings have lost their minds.

  64. According to the very reputable online ticket seller Tick Pick ticket orders are down 17.9 percent this week over the same time last week.

  65. theright0pinion says:
    September 29, 2017 at 12:19 pm
    Next the anti-American Liberals will be screaming “Death to America” and disrespecting the US flag just like the terrorists in the Middle East.
    —————————————————————-

    The “Anti-American Liberals” are fighting for our right to free speech and expression.
    In a free country….we are certainly on the correct side.

    The Trumpets are arguing for suppression of free speech, and falsely attaching the anthem to the military.

    Trump has shaken the low-hanging fruit again, and it continues to work on the uneducated. Over and over, it continues to work.

  66. So, everyone who benefits from the idea that viewers aren’t turning off the NFL are suppressing the fact that the actual -vs- expected viewers were lower…but that’s not spin, Nahhh.

  67. Was I dreaming or did the Bears really try to mount a comeback from a 4 TD deficit with a ground and pound attack?

  68. Purple People Eaters says:
    September 29, 2017 at 12:05 pm
    So, y’all are boycotting football, yet continue to post comments on an NFL-related website?? If you’re going to go away, just go away, from all of it. We don’t need you and the NFL doesn’t need you, either.

    —————-
    But guys need something to fill the time if they are not watching games.

  69. markg5wagon says:
    September 29, 2017 at 12:53 pm
    I believe there are people not watching due to the fact kaepernick does not have a job and people like glennon continue to be put out there as if they are starting quarterbacks. After seeing that clown show of a quarterback last night and a few Sunday it is clear kaepernick should be in the league somewhere.

    ——————
    There is a big difference between questioning whether Glennon should have his job and thinking that Kaepernick is somehow entitled to one.

  70. “Didn’t football get beat by Will & Grace? How do you spin that?”

    Football barely beat Will & Grace. 10.7 million to 10.04 million viewers.

    But the 10.7 million is 3.5 million viewers less than the Bears/GB game on TNF last year that it “beat”. It is 1.5 million fewer than the lowest TNF broadcast by NFL and a network last year Arizona-SFO, which coincidentally Mr. Kaepernick was involved with

  71. Vikes fan here who chose not to watch the game last night. Matter of fact; haven’t seen one game yet this season. Matter of fact; didn’t see any games last season either. I’ll keep an eye on the Sports news sights though so I know when football is about football again instead of politics and endzone dance compititions.

  72. “I believe there are people not watching due to the fact kaepernick does not have a job and people like glennon continue to be put out there as if they are starting quarterbacks. After seeing that clown show of a quarterback last night and a few Sunday it is clear kaepernick should be in the league somewhere.”

    This is just terrible rationale. Glennon is a placeholder until Trubisky is ready. Secondly, the 49ers, one of the worst teams in the league, didn’t want him. A terrible team, in the most liberal market in the country with the fans on his side and zero drop in attendance last year, with the entire locker room on his side….a guy that brought them to a Super Bowl a few years back……that team didn’t want him. What makes you think some other team would want that guy on their team? Maybe, just maybe the guy isn’t very good anymore. Shocking, I know.

  73. 10 unarmed black men have been killed by police this year and 13 unarmed white men. You probably have a better chance of being killed by lightning or bees…So there is really nothing to protest.

  74. lukedunphysscienceproject says:
    September 29, 2017 at 11:57 am

    My prediction is for every 100 Trumpflakes Who have vowed to never watch football again, one may actually stop. And even that one will start watching again before too long

    *Then there are those of us who didn’t vote for Trump. We love our country despite its flaws. We see the issue at hand as being more complex than calling all cops pigs and claiming they “murder” people in cold blood with no consequences. We think insulting our country is the wrong way to go about trying to fix things.

    We will not watch in order to send a message, and yes, when the nonsense stops and the adults take over, we’ll watch again.

  75. Don’t forget they were up against Iowa State Football. It’s not really fair to use that against them. It was just bad timing to have to battle the Cyclones.

  76. chc4 says:

    The media doesn’t get it. People want to WATCH THE GAME, not hear about protests and activism. Football is supposed to be an escape from our everyday grind. I watched it last night b/c of the football, nothing else. So to spin high ratings as somehow the public loving these protests is absurd. If it had been a Bears/Bucs matchup I guarantee viewership would’ve been much lower.

    ==========
    Hit the nail on the head. This conflict has more to do with the media than the players or the government. If the media wasn’t making a buck off the controversy, they would stop watching the sidelines and focus on the festivities and the actual game.

  77. If they had a pregame show called “No Politics NFL Football Only” they would probably get a huge following and it would be a nice place to go before a football game. Honestly I watch Fantasy football shows up til kickoff because it’s interesting and they talk about performance and football.

  78. smarter than you says:
    *Then there are those of us who didn’t vote for Trump. We love our country despite its flaws. We see the issue at hand as being more complex than calling all cops pigs and claiming they “murder” people in cold blood with no consequences. We think insulting our country is the wrong way to go about trying to fix things.

    We will not watch in order to send a message, and yes, when the nonsense stops and the adults take over, we’ll watch again.

    =============
    In fact, it is so complex, you fail to understand those men on the sidelines lover their country too and NONE of them have ever said the things you said in your message above. Not a single one, but don’t let that stop you. At least you still have Nascar.

  79. popcherrycoke says:

    This is just terrible rationale. Glennon is a placeholder until Trubisky is ready. Secondly, the 49ers, one of the worst teams in the league, didn’t want him. A terrible team, in the most liberal market in the country with the fans on his side and zero drop in attendance last year, with the entire locker room on his side….a guy that brought them to a Super Bowl a few years back……that team didn’t want him. What makes you think some other team would want that guy on their team? Maybe, just maybe the guy isn’t very good anymore. Shocking, I know.

    ==========
    And the Chargers didn’t want Drew Brees anymore. Maybe he wasn’t good either, but somehow managed 5000 yards five times and a Superbowl ring. Shocking teams might decide to move on from good players because their plans changed.

  80. My ABSOLUTE FAVORITE all star team of all time… is the United States Militay. They work non stop for nearly minimum wages and spend lots of time away from their families to protect my liberty, freedom and our Constitution.

    I’ve watched NFL football every Sunday for the last 50 years and rarely, rarely ever missed a week. It would be a safe bet to say I’ve loved being an NFL fan but I don’t LOVE NFL football like I love our veterans and our active duty military personnel.

    So… when the NFL owners made the decision to allow their employees/players to abuse our National Anthem and insult our US Military veterans and active duty personnel even though they have the ABSOLUTE legal authority in the players contracts to DEMAND that they STOP this NOW, or you will be FIRED. Yes… the players union and the players agreed to that clause in their employment contract.

    So… until the owners of the NFL can figure out how to make my favorite team of all time… the US Military, not feel insulted then count me out! It’s principle. Again… this problem was allowed to incubate for 13 months by the owners of the NFL.

    The players have a viable point they want to make and the foolish owners decided to allow them to use their business enterprise and their fans, you and me, even though they didn’t legally have to. So I’m out!

  81. mark0226 says:
    September 29, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    In fact, it is so complex, you fail to understand those men on the sidelines lover their country too and NONE of them have ever said the things you said in your message above. Not a single one, but don’t let that stop you. At least you still have Nascar.

    *You haven’t followed Kaep, have you?

  82. 10 million homes tuned in and could care less about the flag obviously.

    The ratings are down from 13% last year. Thurs Night Football barely beat Will & Grace. Try to spin that one. It will only get worse if they keep protesting.

  83. drflamehead says:
    September 29, 2017 at 2:55 pm
    10 unarmed black men have been killed by police this year and 13 unarmed white men. You probably have a better chance of being killed by lightning or bees…So there is really nothing to protest.
    ——
    Anyone with a half a brain knows that the police aren’t infallible. That’s not what the protests are about. How about the coverups and the lying? If the racist cop (doesn’t matter if the cop is white or black) was charged, prosecuted and tried, that’s what the kneelers want to see.

  84. Bonitalocal, Yeah the left is fighting for Freedom of Speech. Leftist prof swinging a bike lock at someone’s head for being conservative. Attacking people with urine filled bottles. Demanding no one being allowed on campus unless they meet the left’s definition of acceptable.

    Your free speech loving comrades tried to shout down Alan Dershowitz for the crime of actually supporting free speech.

  85. 10 unarmed black men killed by police this year? Like “Hands up Don’t Shoot”?

    10 black men dead is known as a slow Friday afternoon in Chicago Not that anyone actually cares about those lives.

  86. Anyone with a half a brain knows that the police aren’t infallible. That’s not what the protests are about. How about the coverups and the lying? If the racist cop (doesn’t matter if the cop is white or black) was charged, prosecuted and tried, that’s what the kneelers want to see………………….

    Many of these cases have been tried in a court of law, The shootings were found to be legitimate, Travan, Brown, Castille ect…all settled

  87. moosejaw – it takes someone posting video for police depts to take action.* The shooting happens. The police depts cover it up. Someone comes forward with a video. Everyone loses faith in the justice system. The kneelers are just asking for some change in these procedures (like, why would anyone be against 24/7 video of all police action?). Of course, they also want discourse. And look. You and I just had a civil exchange of discussion on topic. That right there is a beautiful thing! It’s also what a free country is all about and what our brave soldiers fight for – so we can have these discussions, talk things out and keep making this country the best place on the planet!! They kneel because they love this friggen country so much – – not because they don’t respect the troops. It’s quite the contrary. ::hat tip to you sir::

    *not all.

  88. smarter than you says:

    *You haven’t followed Kaep, have you?

    ==========
    Normally when someone has to claim to be smarter than others, the opposite is true, but lets go with that and you can show me where he claimed ALL copes are murderers as was stated in the original post.

  89. The fact is that the NFL has lost a LOT of “casual” fans. People who watch if they have time and are not die-hard fans of teams.

    I have been watching for 50 years, but have been SO turned off by having politics jammed down my throat by players and the liberal media that I have mode a conscious decision to NOT watch any live games.

    I watch ONLY the 30 minute condensed replay of my team’s game on NFL Game Replay. So I get no advertiesments, not anthem protests and no liberal network talking heads giving me their opinon on it.

    And I am NOT the only one doing this…

  90. People do not want pro football on Thursday night.The games suck because they are sloppy and players have to sit out because they don’t have time to heal. But the NFL is jamming TNF down fans throats. Kinda like LA not wanting a NFL team and the NFL giving LA 2 teams.

  91. “So, y’all are boycotting football, yet continue to post comments on an NFL-related website?? If you’re going to go away, just go away, from all of it. We don’t need you and the NFL doesn’t need you, either.”

    For those against the protests, it makes perfect sense to not watch but still be active on these sites. Otherwise one side wouldn’t see the backlash they have created.

  92. “And the Chargers didn’t want Drew Brees anymore. Maybe he wasn’t good either, but somehow managed 5000 yards five times and a Superbowl ring. Shocking teams might decide to move on from good players because their plans changed.”

    You just compared Drew Brees to Kaepernick. I’ll leave it to you to figure out why your comparison is absolute nonsense.

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