Tony Dungy doesn’t understand what John Fox is doing with his quarterbacks

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Hall of Fame coach Tony Dungy can’t figure out why Bears coach John Fox is starting Mike Glennon over Mitchell Trubisky.

Dungy said on PFT Live that he has had his eye on Trubisky since the summer, thinks Trubisky looks ready to play, and can’t figure out why the Bears have gone with Glennon instead.

“What I saw in training camp, and what I saw in the preseason games, I don’t understand why Trubisky is not playing now,” Dungy said.

Dungy said that when you’re a last-place team that traded up in the draft to take a quarterback, you should want to see what that quarterback can do.

“You won three games last year,” Dungy said. “You mortgaged the future to take this guy. Put him in and let him get the experience. Now, if he struggles and you’ve got to go to Mike Glennon to bail him out, that’s fine. But he didn’t look like he was struggling, to me, in training camp.”

In Indianapolis Dungy inherited a Hall of Fame quarterback in Peyton Manning, but in Dungy’s previous head coaching job, in Tampa Bay, he inherited a struggling young quarterback who had been a Top 10 pick — and Dungy said the whole Buccaneers franchise understood that the only way to figure out what it had in that quarterback was to give him experience.

“When you draft Mitchell Trubisky, you have to make an organizational decision,” Dungy said. “When I came to Tampa in 1996 they had drafted Trent Dilfer with the sixth pick in the draft. We sat down, Rich McKay and I and the ownership, and we said, ‘We’re going to play Trent Dilfer for two years. I don’t care if we don’t win a game, I don’t care if we go to the Super Bowl. He’s going to play, because we have to find out if he justifies this sixth pick. Is he our guy?’ And we were all on board with that. And that’s what it’s got to be. This organization made a decision, somehow, not to start Mitchell Trubisky no matter what happens in training camp or the preseason, Glennon was going to start. I think the organization has to change.”

Fox sounded open to making a change after Thursday’s game. That change appears overdue.

66 responses to “Tony Dungy doesn’t understand what John Fox is doing with his quarterbacks

  1. Pace is tanking to land a top 3 pick in a QB rich 2018 draft to trade that pick down and to get a haul for that pick.

    Fox is a lame duck coach. If Bruce Arians got let go in AZ I could see Chicago nabbing him.

  2. You aren’t the only one, Tony.

    It is unacceptable to continue playing Mike Glennon. He is a joke. It quite frankly doesn’t matter how bad Mitchell Trubisky is, he can’t be any worse than this side show circus clown.

  3. Trubisky will get hurt…better to let Glennon take the beating now and let Trubisky “learn the game” on the bench. The bears aren’t playing for anything meaningful this season.

  4. Because it’s the right play, and Mike Glennon’s struggles in this offense can only help Trubisky more. Learning what not to do is Just as effective as learning what to do.

    Trubisky needs to learn this offense from the film room, sidelines, and through Mike Glennon’s success and failures in it. This is how you develop a QB. This is why Tony Dungy has never developed a QB.

  5. Fox is using Trubisky as leverage to keep his job next season.

    Plus, they can’t play Trubisky next week against the Vikings – he may get scarred beyond repair. They’ll have to offer up Glennon on a silver platter.

  6. I’m guessing that there is/was a financial component to Fox and the Bears playing Glennon? A way, however feeble, to justify all of the money that they paid him for some reason.
    Have to agree with Dungy, the vast majority of the time, it’s better to play the young ‘franchise’ guy right away, let him take his lumps, and learn through experience. If he can’t handle that, then he probably wasn’t your guy in the first place. It seems Trubisky is ready to go.

  7. Does Dungy think Seattle should’ve started Matt Flynn over Russell Wilson just because they paid a lot for Flynn?

    Also, Trubisky would get killed out there behind that offensive line. Do you want your #2 overall pick to get his confidence shaken that bad?

  8. Do you see the difference in L.A. between Jeff Fisher and Sean McVay? Last year, under Fisher, Jared Goff was getting the reputation as a bust. Now, under McVay, he’s getting the reputation as one of the really good young QB’s.

  9. The Bears must make the change. Glennon may be a decent back-up but it’s evident he is not a starting qb in this league. He is too slow in seeing the field and his accuracy is not good. If you draft a guy #2, you should be playing him. John Fox is too stubborn or too comfortable to get the job done. Maybe it’s time for a change. Not only at quarterback but at head coach as well.

  10. I can understand the Bear situation. They just paid Glennon 45 million. It is a little hard to pull that investment after a few games. That said. Glennon has not looked good

  11. Why did they keep Glennon in at the end of a blowout? They should have put Trubisky in to finish up the 4th quarter.

  12. Nobody does. For all but a handful of Bears games in the John Fox era they have been a total clown show. If Ryan Pace won’t step in and mandate major changes over this “mini bye” the Bears have then there is no hope for the team or its fans and the McCaskeys had better expect to see a lot of empty seats in Soldier Field from here on out.

  13. I wouldn’t say they mortgaged the future they traded a 3rd and a 2nd i think. The only reason I can think of why fox hasn’t put him in is because if the team does bad with tribusky he will get fired but if he says we were getting the rookie ready it will buy him an extra year. Glennon is garbage and holding that team back. Apart from the WR every position group on that team has talent and is ready to compete.

  14. the irony is that the reason you dont put trubisky in was sitting in the studio last night: David Carr. he took such a beating that he never had a chance to live up to his potential.
    the reason you let a qb sit and learn on the nech was on the other side of the field last night. Aaron Rodgers.

  15. charliecharger says:

    September 29, 2017 at 9:19 am

    Do you see the difference in L.A. between Jeff Fisher and Sean McVay? Last year, under Fisher, Jared Goff was getting the reputation as a bust. Now, under McVay, he’s getting the reputation as one of the really good young QB’s
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    Great analogy. John Fox and Dowell Loggains have never been a part of developing a young QB. Neither of them have any idea what to do, so it will be worse for Trubisky than it was for Goff last year. Pace needs to be building his short list of offensive-minded coaching candidates, or at least reputable QB developers. I would fire Fox and Loggains, release Glennon, and start Sanchez for a few weeks until the dust settles for the offense. Let Fangio be the interim HC, and see whether you can get a “consultant” to come in and help call plays on offense.

  16. homesbypatrick says:
    September 29, 2017 at 8:59 am
    Pace is tanking to land a top 3 pick in a QB rich 2018 draft to trade that pick down and to get a haul for that pick.

    Fox is a lame duck coach. If Bruce Arians got let go in AZ I could see Chicago nabbing him.
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    They passed on Arians and hired Marc Trestman instead in 2013. Arians has health issues so I see him
    retiring instead.

  17. Long time Bear fan who will not watch this crap on TV….what a dumpster fire!!! It is not only QB play, it is the game plan and penalties. Just awful.

  18. patsxsaintsfan says:
    September 29, 2017 at 9:26 am
    I wouldn’t say they mortgaged the future they traded a 3rd and a 2nd i think. The only reason I can think of why fox hasn’t put him in is because if the team does bad with tribusky he will get fired but if he says we were getting the rookie ready it will buy him an extra year. Glennon is garbage and holding that team back. Apart from the WR every position group on that team has talent and is ready to compete.
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    The 3rd pick in the draft, (2) 3rd rounders and a 4th rounder for Mitchell Trubisky. If that isn’t a mortgage then it is at least a large equity line.

    And if I was chicago, I wouldn’t play him yet either. The kid had very little college experience starting a total of 13 games. He came out as a Junior. I can guarantee you he doesn’t know squat about playing QB at the NFL level art this point.

    You put him out there and he will be scrambled eggs. Is that good experience? Don’t think so. If it were me I would take the Aaron Rodgers approach with him. Bring him along, get him ready and when he is you put him in.

    bears are committed to the kid for 4/5 years no matter what. They can be patient and they should be patient.

    Dungy is a tool.

  19. There’s two sides to every story. And these NFL EXPERTS, chuckle chuckle, aren’t in the locker room or at practices to even be able to tell an organization what they should do. Maybe they should hire that expert to be the coach. There have been successes done both ways. And we all know that there IS benefit from sitting back and watching the NFL action up close and studying actual film of the current team on film. The QB understudy can sense what the team is trying to do while continuing to learn MORE of the playbook. So when he does get in, he is MORE ready. Either way could go real good, or real bad. This is a team sport not an individual sport and the QB position is the most interdependent position on the entire field. And McClennon is also a first year player on the Bears and is learning a new system. He has had some game experience. But, you don’t pay a QB $15 million to NOT play football and you also have him under contract next year. When you turn to Mitch, it should be for good not to take him out and put McGlennon back in. This is the Bears mess to deal with. They set themselves up for issues the minute they paid McGlennon all that money and knowing he was a young guy looking to become a starter somewhere.

  20. I too am convinced that Trubisky is going to be the better choice but I still hope they keep him on the bench, learning and developing, unless and until they are absolutely SURE he’s ready; more so mentally than physically.

    The Bears are definitely better than many people thought they’d be but I don’t think they’re quite ready to take that next step. They appear to be close, but not quite there yet. Better to sacrifice a few wins this year if it means more success for Trubisky, and the team, in the long haul.

    I’ve been saying for a while, the Bears returning to not just relevance, but prominence, will be good for Chicago, good for the NFCN, good for the greatest rivalry in all of sports, and good for the NFL overall.

  21. Different folks will have different thoughts on how to develop a qb. So Dungy think its to just throw them into the fire and let them get used to it. That may have worked with some but also there has been cases of genuine talent getting destroyed by the fire so the guy never develops and falls out. It probably depends on the QB.

    IDK if he knows what he is doing yet but with Brady and Garrapolo Belichick spent at least a year coaching each of them up before throwing them out there. Brady in particular was deemed extremely unready for the NFL when he was drafted but by the time he got inserted it looked like that time getting coached up might have helped. Also with Garrapolo, he did some garbage time in his rookie year and from then to when he had to cover Brady’s suspension was a huge difference.

  22. Do you see the difference in L.A. between Jeff Fisher and Sean McVay? Last year, under Fisher, Jared Goff was getting the reputation as a bust. Now, under McVay, he’s getting the reputation as one of the really good young QB’s
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    And we remember how Fisher and Vince Young feuded in Tennessee.

  23. I think that yes, you bench Glennon at this point, but you still don’t start Trubisky. You play Sanchez from now until at least the bye, and perhaps the rest of the season. Trubisky is far from ready, and playing on a bad team can ruin a kid.

    As far as equating Trent Dilfer and this situation, it’s absurd. Rookies, even first rounders, cost a fraction of what rookies used to cost teams. You can afford to let them learn at their own pace now.

  24. raiderlyfe510 says:

    September 29, 2017 at 9:06 am

    …Trubisky needs to learn this offense from the film room, sidelines, and through Mike Glennon’s success and failures in it…

    Trubisky doesn’t need to learn “this offense”.
    By the time he’s ready to go, there will be a new coach and a new offense to learn.

  25. The Mckaskey’s had better not worry about the National Anthem ramifications for empty seats, but the ought to worry about fans saying why are we going to Bears games to see pathetic football and then hear a coach fling a lot of B.S. at the podium to justify his lack of competence. Fox is not getting it done.

  26. Just my opinion from the outside looking in but John Fox knew Chicago needed at least 8 or 9 wins this season for him to have a shot at coming back. For Fox, it’s not like Denver where he could afford to clash a bit with the executives about the strategy of the team or Carolina where he knew he’d get a job the second he left because of his track record. This is it for Fox. If he gets fired this is probably his best shot.

    As fans of football I think we know what Glennon is and know that Trubisky has a higher ceiling. As someone working within the Bears organization he thinks that the years of experience both in-game and on the sidelines and in training camp gives them the best shot to win. He’s not thinking about the long-term future of the Bears, he’s thinking about surviving his last head coaching gig.

    At this point he has to see the writing on the wall though. Glennon is not going to get him those 7-8 more wins he needs. Give Trubisky a shot, let him work through the rookie blues, and maybe if the team looks like it is headed in the right direction the brass will keep Fox on for 2018.

  27. It doesn’t make sense to keep playing Glennon. There is nothing to gain. The Bears aren’t going anywhere, they have a decent run game, they have a pretty good o-line, they have a week and a half before their next game, why wouldn’t they start Trubisky? Glennon offers nothing in the present and obviously isn’t a part of their future. So what’s the point?

    Instead of watching your veteran backup caliber constantly make mistakes and turn the ball over, might as well let Trubisky do the same and at least get him some experience on the field.

  28. You don’t throw a rookie QB into action unless he has a receiver to throw to. He’ll learn bad habits that can’t be unlearned, and he’ll never learn how to throw the ball downfield.

  29. I see what the Bears paid to get Trubisky as a promising sign. That may sound nutty, but here’s why…

    There were three QBs projected to go in the first round. With the third pick, the Bears were guaranteed to have at least one of the three available to them, no matter what Cleveland and/or San Fran did.

    After the Browns took Garrett, if San Fran took one of the three, the Bears were guaranteed to have the remaining two available; yet, they paid dearly to ensure they got Trubisky. They very clearly wanted Trubisky and only Trubisky. If the Browns had taken Trubisky, the trade never happens. Pace was willing to gamble his entire career on Trubisky and I just can’t picture him doing that unless he felt extremely strong about the kid.

    I also believe they signed Glennon with this plan already in place. Glennon’s contract was written so the Bears have control of him for 3 years if they want (no Trubisky) but they can dump Glennon after 1 year, or 2 years, if they want (yes Trubisky).

  30. When Dungy was hired in 1996, he told the press that Dilfer and Casey Weldon would battle in the preseason for the starting job, then the winner would have the job all season and not look over his shoulder. This account differs from what Dungy is saying now. I have a feeling it was B.S. before and now he’s revealing the truth that the decision was made upstairs, when he was hired.

    This anecdote may sound irrelevant, Weldon had been stealing more and more playing time the previous year when Sam Wyche was the coach. While not as physically gifted as Dilfer, he was more accurate, more mobile, and got the ball out faster than Trent. I think Wyche secretly really liked Weldon’s game, which is why he kept subbing him in in ’95.

    In ’96, Dungy never played Weldon (to my recollection) and by ’97 Weldon was gone; replaced by Steve Walsh as the backup QB. My suspicion, which can never be proven, is that Dungy wanted a backup like Walsh who knew he was nothing but a backup, rather than a guy like Weldon who actually looked better than Dilfer in practice and wanted to start. They wanted to keep the first round pick from looking over his shoulder.

  31. When Dungy was hired in 1996, he told the press that Dilfer and Casey Weldon would battle in the preseason for the starting job, then the winner would have the job all season and not look over his shoulder. This account differs from what Dungy is saying now. I have a feeling it was B.S. before and now he’s revealing the truth that the decision was made upstairs, when he was hired.

    This anecdote may sound irrelevant, but Weldon had been stealing more and more playing time the previous year when Sam Wyche was the coach. While not as physically gifted as Dilfer, he was more accurate, more mobile, and got the ball out faster than Trent. I think Wyche secretly really liked Weldon’s game, which is why he kept subbing him in in ’95.

    In ’96, Dungy never played Weldon (to my recollection) and by ’97 Weldon was gone; replaced by Steve Walsh as the backup QB. My suspicion, which can never be proven, is that Dungy wanted a backup like Walsh who knew he was nothing but a backup, rather than a guy like Weldon who actually looked better than Dilfer in practice and wanted to start. They wanted to keep the first round pick from looking over his shoulder.

  32. jeremycrowhurst – that’s a bit oversimplified. Are Kendall Wright and Markus Wheaton worse talents than the receivers he had at UNC? No. Is Zach Miller a worse TE than whoever he had at UNC? No. The kid has talent, he has natural sense for the game, and even with a banged up Bears WR core it’s still by far the most talent he’s ever had around him. Their o-line is pretty good and they have a good run game to rely heavily on. He wouldn’t be asked to do a whole lot and he’s not gonna unlearn every bit of sense he has that made him the #2 overall pick in the first place.

    That logic just doesn’t fly.

  33. jeremycrowhurst – are Kendall Wright and Markus Wheaton worse WRs than Switzer and Hollins at UNC? Probably not. Is Zach Miller a worse TE than whoever he had at UNC? No. Even with a banged up Bears WR core it’s still the most talent he’s ever played with. They have a good o-line and a good run game to lean on, he’s not gonna be asked to do a lot and he’s not gonna unlearn every bit of sense and awareness he displayed to make himself the #2 overall pick in the first place.

    Come on. These are some weak arguments people are making. “He’ll get injured, they have no receivers, his confidence will be destroyed” well the Bears protect better than most teams. He’s used to throwing to NCAA level WRs, and he seems like a really tough kid who can handle the ups and downs.

    The Bears are wasting their time with Glennon. And whoever suggested Sanchez lol just…..no.

  34. 1) “Dungy said on PFT Live that he has had his eye on Trubisky since the summer.” Spooky! We can only hope there was no laying-on-of-hands! DUngy needs to shut the f up. There’s nothing about his history or personality that should allow him to make snarky comments about other coaches. And while he may be a good human being (I don’t know), he was just an okay coach (who would have been a life-time assistant if he hadn’t lucked into Manning), who was nothing to write home about. It’s a miracle that he was able to parlay his God #2 persona into a network position. The man has the personality of a clam!

    2) Fox has never been anything but a game manager, and not a great one at that. He’s unlikely to change anytime soon.

    3) There’s something about the Bears ownership wanting to duplicate the defense-heavy ’50s & ’60s style of football that continues to affect their choice of GM and HC. In this modern era, they need new and innovative thinkers, not clones of Lovie Smith and Mike Ditka. They’ve likely got a QB (in Trubisky) who can lead them there, but with current coaching his promising career will probably die on the altar of some executive’s ego. Trubisky, or any other talented QB, will never really have a chance under the conservative and restrictive thinking of the kind of GMs and HCs they seem bound and determined to keep hiring.

  35. John Fox. Mike Smith, Marvin Lewis, Joe Philbin all weren’t head coach material but yet they held that position in the NFL in recent years. Coaching matters sometimes players rise above the bad coaches but it is only a matter of time before they ruin a team.

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