Belichick: Koetter did as good a job with Winston as any coach in a QB’s first two years

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In Bill Belichick’s first two years coaching Tom Brady, Brady went from a fourth-string sixth-round draft pick to a Super Bowl MVP. So Belichick knows something about getting a young quarterback ready to play.

And Belichick thinks Buccaneers coach Dirk Koetter has done an extraordinary job coaching Jameis Winston, as good a job through their two and a half years together as any coach has done with any quarterback.

“With Winston, I think he’s done a great job with him in two years, probably, arguably as good as any coach has done with any quarterback in the first two years of a career,” Belichick said, via the Tampa Bay Times. “Some of that’s the player, but certainly a lot of that’s the guy coaching him, the guy working with him every day. I think Coach Koetter and his staff have done a great job there.”

Koetter was the Buccaneers’ offensive coordinator when they took Winston with the first overall pick in the 2015 NFL draft. After that season, the Bucs fired head coach Lovie Smith and promoted Koetter because they believed Koetter was the perfect coach for Winston, and they worried they wouldn’t be able to keep him as a coordinator for long. Belichick thinks the Bucs were smart to pair Koetter and Winston.

36 responses to “Belichick: Koetter did as good a job with Winston as any coach in a QB’s first two years

  1. I didn’t like Winston coming out of college I thought he turned the ball over too much and had way too many off the field issues. I thought mariota would be better and still do if he can stay healthy but that doesn’t look like something he can do. If Winston wants to become a top 10 QB he has to win this game. This patriots defense is awful and if you want to be taken seriously you have to win a statement game like this and Winston doesn’t have a win like that in his career. Should be a good game on Thursday and with a loaded NFC south and not having a bye week they can’t afford to fall too far behind Carolina and Atlanta let alone New Orleans.

  2. It’s just Belichik playing mind games. A couple weeks ago he was making JJ Watt out to be all world. Belichik hates talking to the press but enjoys saying how great the next opponent is.

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    There was no shortage of people predicting failure for Winston coming out of college. He’s still raw and prone to miscues. However, he’s on the right trajectory and Koetter has to be given credit for it.
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  4. I might be a tad bitter about how this team lost its focus during what may be one of the last good years of Tom Brady’s career, but I just hope they hold the Bucs to 50 points while game planning for their next flag protest.

  5. It’s like 90% the player. Coaches definitely matter (see McVey with Goff taking over from his high school level predecessors), but Jameis had an extraordinary grasp of pro concepts even back in college. Since his rookie year, this has all been done with a subpar running game as well since Doug Martin isn’t in a contract year and the other guys are role players at best.

  6. rageviral says:
    October 4, 2017 at 9:27 am
    But Mariota is still better.

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    Better at what exactly? Staying off the field? Because I agree with that. Better at reading defenses and airing the ball out? Nah fam. Mariota is good but Winston is on his way to elite status.

  7. smithdp says:
    October 4, 2017 at 9:30 am
    It’s just Belichik playing mind games. A couple weeks ago he was making JJ Watt out to be all world. Belichik hates talking to the press but enjoys saying how great the next opponent is.

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    Part of it is because Belichick has zero intention of speaking to his game planning like they want him to. So praising the opponent is a great form of deflection. It fills the allotted time slot while revealing nothing of what he is thinking nor gives them anything they can whip into some sort of bulletin board material the other side can use. If the other side listens at all (generally they know not to) they would actually be lulled by it.

  8. patsxsaintsfan says:
    October 4, 2017 at 9:27 am
    I didn’t like Winston coming out of college I thought he turned the ball over too much and had way too many off the field issues. I thought mariota would be better and still do if he can stay healthy but that doesn’t look like something he can do. If Winston wants to become a top 10 QB he has to win this game. This patriots defense is awful and if you want to be taken seriously you have to win a statement game like this and Winston doesn’t have a win like that in his career. Should be a good game on Thursday and with a loaded NFC south and not having a bye week they can’t afford to fall too far behind Carolina and Atlanta let alone New Orleans.
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    Huh, I kind of thought going into KC and beating the Chiefs last year (who were undefeated at home at that point), or beating Seattle/Atlanta were pretty good wins. Saying that this is a statement game and that he doesn’t have a win like this in his career, then also saying the Pats aren’t that good is kind of strange. I worry that the Bucs can’t score enough to keep up, Lavonte and Kwon being out will hurt, they seem to be the only players able to get sacks and create turnovers on a regular basis. If Winston figures out his deep ball to DJax it could turn into a good game

  9. liner113 says:
    October 4, 2017 at 9:52 am
    Bill also said Greg Schiano was a great coach, so there’s that.

    13 5 Rate This

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    Well, he is. Maybe just not at the NFL level. Then again, Mark Domenik was a MORON DELUXE trying to buy up free agents, not understanding economics and teambuilding.

    Start there.

  10. Winston’s biggest issue is he believes in his arm talent so much and the abilities of Mike Evans that he sometimes forces throws. As a third-year quarterback, he’s definitely made strides each season and I think he’s well on his way to becoming elite. One advantage he has is at Florida State he mastered arguably the hardest and most pro-style heavy offense in the country. From a tools, intellect, leadership and talent standpoint, you don’t get much better than Winston, he will be a star.

  11. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 4, 2017 at 10:51 am
    I thought Belichick was a defensive genius? I guess he needs guys like LT, cheating and playing some of the worst QBs in a season to look good.

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    LT? That was 27 years ago. Before he even went to Cleveland.

    Since then though 5 Super Bowl Championships, 7 Super Bowl Appearances, 11 AFC Championship games and 14 Divisions titles.

    Doesn’t matter if he’s a defensive genius or not in your eyes. He gets the job done.

  12. If Goff continues his progress and turnaround, then Sean McVay deserves the coaching award. This season is really exposing just how awful of a coach Jeff Fisher was, more so than his record.

  13. I know this is supposed to b a nice piece about the Bucs, but it’s telling about the Patriots current problems.

    Belichick regularly goes out of his way to praise players, but his actions and, in this case, his words tell a different story.

    “Some of that’s the player, but certainly a lot of that’s the guy coaching him, the guy working with him every day. I think Coach Koetter and his staff have done a great job there.”

    SOME of that’s the player? A LOT is the guy that’s coaching him?!?

    It’s been said about him many times before – Belichick doesn’t value players. He thinks they’re all interchangeable, and if they’ll just shut up and do what he asks they’ll win. Sometimes it appears THAT’S his ideal player– one who’ll shut up and do as he’s told.

    The Patriots used to build through the draft.
    Now they draft good players and don’t even let them play our their rookie contracts (Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins).
    It’s one thing to dump aging and expensive veterans (Logan Mankins, Richard Seymour).
    But now good, young, productive players can’t even finish their rookie contracts?
    And where is the Patriots defense now?

  14. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 4, 2017 at 10:51 am
    I thought Belichick was a defensive genius? I guess he needs guys like LT, cheating and playing some of the worst QBs in a season to look good.

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    Umm, he is a defensive genius.

    He’s also an economic genius when talking about the salary cap which is why the Pats are never in cap hell with a weak roster, amongst other things.

    Further, his memory recall is also stunning, as is Brady’s, which is part of the ability to quickly diagnose things to help the team. Dorks like you are so jealous of it, so you like to call it “cheating”, because you have a closet of 5th place trophies as a Millennial and don’t know what a winner looks like.

    That’s your problem, not ours.

    BB has a gameplan, at least one we know of, from SB 25 on the wall in Canton, OH, which showcases said genius.

    I would also argue his ability to fight through institutionalized cheating, authorized by Goodell the last 10 years, makes him a genius as well. If it was anyone else, they would have retired and not dealt with the immature, childish garbage that comes out of 345 Park Ave with a half dozen owners on a conference call demanding new ways to try to slow down the Pats.

    Never in the history of sports has a coach been so great, a commissioner was specifically hired to try to stem the successes of said genius.

    Have a nice day!

  15. Winston definitely has the talent to be an elite quarterback. Thursday’s game is going to be a shootout considering how bad the Patriots defense is and I fully expect Winston to put up some numbers on Thursday. I have the Pats winning in a nail biter but I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Bucs win this game.

  16. smithdp says:
    October 4, 2017 at 9:30 am
    It’s just Belichik playing mind games. A couple weeks ago he was making JJ Watt out to be all world. Belichik hates talking to the press but enjoys saying how great the next opponent is.
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    Well, considering the Watt is a 4x 1st team all pro, one of 2 people to win 3X NFL defensive player of the year , and the only person to have a 20 sack season twice, I’d say all world is a pretty accurate description.

    signed- not a texans fan.

  17. It’s been said about him many times before – Belichick doesn’t value players. He thinks they’re all interchangeable, and if they’ll just shut up and do what he asks they’ll win. Sometimes it appears THAT’S his ideal player– one who’ll shut up and do as he’s told.
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    His players have been completely interchangeble.

    Milloy-Harrison-Chung
    Law-Samuel-McCourty-Revis-Butler
    Seymore-Wilfork
    Bruschi-Mayo-Hightower
    Vrabel-Ninkovich

    .. and I don’t think any coach in the last 20 years has done a better job with role players; Andre Carter, Otis Smith, Terrell Buckley, Roman Phifer, Junior Seau, Shawn Springs. There are too many guys to list.

    Belichick is a master of plug-and-play.

    He might not win Super Bowls every year, but you can’t name anyone that has done it better in this era. Not even close.

  18. thisisridiculous68 says:
    October 4, 2017 at 11:23 am
    I know this is supposed to b a nice piece about the Bucs, but it’s telling about the Patriots current problems.

    Belichick regularly goes out of his way to praise players, but his actions and, in this case, his words tell a different story.

    “Some of that’s the player, but certainly a lot of that’s the guy coaching him, the guy working with him every day. I think Coach Koetter and his staff have done a great job there.”

    SOME of that’s the player? A LOT is the guy that’s coaching him?!?

    It’s been said about him many times before – Belichick doesn’t value players. He thinks they’re all interchangeable, and if they’ll just shut up and do what he asks they’ll win. Sometimes it appears THAT’S his ideal player– one who’ll shut up and do as he’s told.

    The Patriots used to build through the draft.
    Now they draft good players and don’t even let them play our their rookie contracts (Chandler Jones, Jamie Collins).
    It’s one thing to dump aging and expensive veterans (Logan Mankins, Richard Seymour).
    But now good, young, productive players can’t even finish their rookie contracts?
    And where is the Patriots defense now?

    2 1 Rate This

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    Umm, they were number 1 rated D last year in terms of points allowed and just won the SB, by stemming the Falcons offense, allowing only 7 points in the second half. LOL

    This was without Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones, both of whom got inflated egos after SB 49, which is not the fault of BB. BB dealt each, cleared future bloated contracts, to maintain cap control and roster health. Arizona is in cap hell, will now rebuild and be wasting dollars on Chandler Jones for no reason.

    Meanwhile, Trey Flowers and rookie Deatrich Wise, appear to be diamonds in the rough under rookie contracts as NE looks to play in its 7th straight conference title game this year.

    Leave it to absolute morons to think 4 games in Sept is how NE will be in December and January.

    Love the delusions. Absolutely love it!

  19. The Patriots used to build through the draft.
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    2001 Defense

    Bobby Hamilton – FA
    Richard Seymore – Draft
    Bradon Mitchell – Draft
    Anthony Pleasant – FA

    Roman Phifer – FA
    Teddy Bruschi – Draft
    Willie McGinest – Draft
    Mike Vrabel – FA
    Bryan Cox – FA

    Ty Law – Draft
    Otis Smith – FA
    Terrell Buckley – FA
    Tebucky Jones – Draft
    Lawyer Milloy – Draft

    .. same with the offense, 5 starters were not home-grown players.

    I think they shifted from a defensive team to an offensive team based on Bradys development, but the WAY Belichick has built has never changed. He’s used every tool available, draft, free agency, trade.

  20. patsxsaintsfan says:

    October 4, 2017 at 9:27 am

    I didn’t like Winston coming out of college I thought he turned the ball over too much and had way too many off the field issues. I thought mariota would be better and still do if he can stay healthy but that doesn’t look like something he can do. If Winston wants to become a top 10 QB he has to win this game. This patriots defense is awful and if you want to be taken seriously you have to win a statement game like this and Winston doesn’t have a win like that in his career. Should be a good game on Thursday and with a loaded NFC south and not having a bye week they can’t afford to fall too far behind Carolina and Atlanta let alone New Orleans
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    What do you mean doesn’t have a statement win?
    Winston has won every game in the Falcons home stadium. Also, he beat KC at KC last year and was the first team to do so in a long time.

  21. Good thing they made the coaching change….Lovie Smith would not know a good QB or offense if it hit him in the face!!!!

  22. BB said JJ Watt reminded him of LT. Then he double-triple teamed Watt to death on the way to a win. Can’t wait to see what he has in store for Winston.

  23. Aarons444:

    As I told tylaws… I’m coming form this as a concerned Patriots fan, not a Patriots troll.

    Of course I did not mean that the Patriots entire team has always been exclusively Patriots draft picks.

    But, there has been a shift.

    You seem to have time on your hands, so look this up –
    Patriots 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft picks since 2000 who got second contracts with the Patriots and others who at least finished their rookie contracts without getting cut or traded.

    I think you’ll find things looked different up to 2011 than they seem to be trending now.

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