Pressure is mounting on Browns

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A history of impatience with coaches, General Managers, and team presidents has caused Browns owner Jimmy Haslam to swing the other way when it comes to the current configuration of the football operation. With the team at 1-19 since 2016 and in grave danger of falling to 1-20 against the supposedly tanking Jets on Sunday, the pressure is mounting on the entire organization.

As one league source predicted earlier this week, a loss today to the Jets could result in major changes of some sort.

It’s unclear what those changes would be, especially with the bye still three weeks away, after games against the Texans in Houston, the Titans at home, and the Vikings in London.

Yes, London. The place where multiple NFL coaches have gone to get fired. Even if no changes are made following a loss today, an 0-8 start (1-23 since last year) capped by a nationally-televised loss in England could be the last straw for coach Hue Jackson. If the last straw even lasts that long.

If change becomes before then, it could happen elsewhere in the organization, like what the Lions did two years ago when firing G.M. Martin Mayhew and keeping coach Jim Caldwell during the season. When executive V.P. of football operations Sashi Brown said this week that the team’s rebuild is still ongoing, the intended audience possibly wasn’t fans and media who dubbed him Captain Obvious but ownership, which has bought in to a Crock-Pot process but which as some point is going to want to lift the lid and try the veal.

Some in league circles have pointed to the Browns’ obsession with stockpiling draft picks as a way to create the perpetual perception that the best is yet to come, thereby avoiding accountability for current struggles. At some point, however, those picks need to become players who can perform in a league full of parity. The “sorry, but we have too many young players” routine won’t work for much longer, especially with young players on which they passed (like Deshaun Watson) tearing up the league almost instantly.

A win today would at a minimum delay what could be inevitable at this point. Those repeated claims of a lack of dysfunction between the coaching staff and the front office are becoming less believable, and they’re starting to give rise to an even bigger question: If the Browns are 1-19 with a coaching staff and front office that are on the same page, how bad would this team be if they weren’t?

48 responses to “Pressure is mounting on Browns

  1. Disagree. They likely targeted Sam Darnold as a one in generation impact player, but can’t say they are tanking yet another year without intense angst among the paying fan base.

  2. The reason this new regime was brought in was because the Browns were the worst organization in the NFL. The biggest reason they were the worst is because they kept making changes every year or two. These guys have only been here one year. If they don’t give these guys a couple more years, the owner should just sell the team. I was under the assumption that the owner was buying into the five year plan. They wouldn’t have put Kizer in at QB if the goal was to win now. They would have gone with Osweiler, the QB who helped lead the Broncos to a world championship. Myles Garrett hasn’t played yet. Guys like Aaron Donald and J.J. Watt make a difference. Garrett is one of those guys. I don’t think any changes are coming soon. They need to give these guys at least three full years. They might not win a game, but you’ll never find out if you keep changing. Why did you hire them in the first place? Haslam would have to turn over the hiring process to someone else. He would have to admit he doesn’t understand what it takes to be successful on the football field in the NFL. Maybe it’s just a financial investment for him. He’s doing quite well in that regard, but so is Jed York. It would be better for fans if the TV revenue was divided up according to wins and losses. Then every owner would be in it to win.

  3. The only major change that would help the Browns would be Haslam selling the team. He has no business owning an NFL franchise.

  4. This team has been so hard to watch ever since it came back in the league. I hope we turn it around, but we have been here soooo many times before. Don’t forget, Haslam fired Chud after a 4-12 season because “it was not good enough”. Chud looks like a miracle worker now. The Cavs won, the Indians are close and the Browns are once again bottom dwellers. It’s hard to be a Browns fan.

  5. I think Hue Jackson is beyond his depth. His decisions are baffling (going back to his time in Oakland) and often seem to be based on racial factors rather than football sense. I’m not calling the man a racist (calm down folks). I am merely saying race seems to have more influence in his decisions (especially QB decisions) than it should. Looking at their roster it seems to me that they should be better than they are. Then again, I think the same thing about my Dolphins’ roster too. So, take that with a grain of salt. 😉

  6. Hue Jackson is safe.

    Sashi Brown will be gone by draft time.

    I wouldn’t trust any general manager from Boston.
    SEE: Sashi Brown and mike tannenbaum

    QUESTION: Who in their right mind hires a general manager who was born, raised, went to high school, and went to college in Boston?!?

  7. Yeah again I am not sure there is a story here, unless it is one of MFs and PFTs imagination (which wouldn’t be unusual). While I 100% agree with the statement that we’re all (Browns fans and HFL fans alike) are getting tired of the stockpiling and always have new young players on the roster (they have to start producing) I disagree with the hot seat assessment. Even with Haslam as the owner. They may not have been winning in 2017 (rookie QB, whole lot of injuries, and a receiving corps that couldn’t catch a cold) but as someone who has watched them for four decades I can tell you this is a different football team. I think people outside of the media and PFT (two separate things) can see that, and you don’t just give up on that mid-stream.

  8. They have baseball people in talent evaluation positions. The stockpiling of draft picks to “avoid accountability for current struggles,” is right out of the baseball play book of drafting high school kids and using their extended development as a way to buy some time/job security. The NFL has proven time and time again that it is not only a “win-now” league, but talented personnel people can turn a team around fairly quickly………………and certainly make it competitive.

    Problem is, the Browns don’t have the right coach, the right personnel people or the right owner.

  9. Hogan clearly looks like the better football player. But hue will continue to throw in the “quarterback” with all the arm talent. Problem is his brain is slow and Kiser can’t process the game.

    Anyway, Hue’s team keeps regressing, he has no idea what a successful running play looks like as he keeps running from shotgun, says Crowell needs more carries, as if anyone other than hue controls that. The offense looks like high school at best. Hue is way overrated.

  10. Start by changing your name. Who can take pride playing/working for a team called the Browns? That is the worse name in all of sports.

  11. hoyerthedestroyer says:
    October 8, 2017 at 10:30 am
    Disagree. They likely targeted Sam Darnold as a one in generation impact player, but can’t say they are tanking yet another year without intense angst among the paying fan base.
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    And these are the mental gymnastics fans will always put themselves through to keep believing. Two issues here: Sam Darnold may not be the best QB in his own conference this year, much less a “one in a generation” player, and if they knew getting him was the plan, what on earth is a team with this many needs doing drafting Deshone Kizer in the second round this year?

  12. This team is putrid. Hue Jackson might be a great guy but he sux bad at being a head coach.

    Who totally fails at their job for more than a year and stays employed in the real world we all have to live in?

    1 win so far people! ONE!!!!!!!!

  13. FinFan68,

    What decisions based on race, starting a second round pick over Osweiler who we all saw be terrible in the preseason when they tried to hand him the job? Back in Oakland btw, he was trying to trade for Carson Palmer (who is white) to replace Jason Campbell (who is black) before Al Davis died, and Davis told him no. Then, he did it after Campbell got hurt and Davis had died. So yeah, that’s an ignorant comment. The Browns problem is who is picking the players. I maintain that the answer to this would be to hire Scott McCloughan to pick their players. His track record is pretty good. Even that Washington team has been transformed in a short period of time by what he put on it roster wise.

  14. Start by changing your name. Who can take pride playing/working for a team called the Browns? That is the worse name in all of sports.

    A name is only as good as the man who wears it. There was a time when “the Browns” was respected and feared. Cleveland has always hated the Browns owners; the original owner, now thought of as a saint, was a branch of the “wire” problems that evolved out of Chicago; and the other owners did too much or too little. One was poor, the others too rich, and one the apple of a federal investigation’s eye.

    Why do so many Browns players accomplish nothing here but become good to better players elsewhere? It’s coaching…plain and simple. And the destruction of the Cleveland Browns begins with its head coaches. And continues even to today.

  15. Darn right they should fire him. Results are needed to show the fans and ownership that the plan is an actual plan. On a side note barring a miracle playoff win the Bengals will let Marvin Lewis walk at the end of the season and hire Hue ASAP. At least that’s one Bengal fans dream when we let Hue leave after the Pitt-Bengal playoff debacle.

  16. They cut decent-good players. They didn’t re-sign decent-good players. Their former QB, which they didn’t want to start is now starting for another team and has them at 2-2. They now face their castoff who has a good shot at beating them.

    They passed on Wentz, and took Kessler about 3-4 rounds too high, and by doing so missed Dak Prescott. This year they passed on Trubisky, Mahomes, and of course Watson. They took Kizer who isn’t ready and may never be given his issues at Notre Dame.

    All this while sitting on so much cap space they traded for Brock Osweiler for a 2nd round pick.

    They used many of their picks on crap. Let’s get rid of their receivers and draft 4 of them. Yet who ends up leading the team? The QB turned WR Pryor who coach Hue Jackson lobbied to come to Cleveland. Not Sashi Brown. Of course they then let Pryor leave.

    Yet the Browns are supposed to fire Hue Jackson? Sashi Brown has been making these decisions, and Jackson doesn’t have the players to compete.

    They have some picks stockpiled, but they actually have to make some of them and have them work out. There’s also a time element that guys not picked until year 3 might not perform well until year 4-5. That’s a problem because they might not be around by then given they are barely into year 2.

    Just remember folks Sashi Brown never won a World Series (in other words SQUAT) in baseball, and everyone is already utilizing various forms of analytics so the first mover advantage simply isn’t there.

  17. With a rebuilding process, you need to eventually start to see some progress, with individual players, and overall team performance. Inevitably, individual and team progress leads to wins. If you’re not seeing that, you can’t entrust the future to the current regime. If they blow the bevy of draft picks they possess by picking guys who can’t play, or asking them to play for guys who can’t coach, you’ll set this franchise back another 6 years. They get to 0-8, heads have to roll.

  18. “And these are the mental gymnastics fans will always put themselves through to keep believing. Two issues here: Sam Darnold may not be the best QB in his own conference this year, much less a “one in a generation” player, and if they knew getting him was the plan, what on earth is a team with this many needs doing drafting Deshone Kizer in the second round this year?”
    *******************************
    Spot on…..and…….lets remember how many USC QB’s hage been successful in the NFL lately…….matt barkley? Cody kessler? Mark sanchez? How about matt leinert? Mayyybee caraon palmer is the one exception but USC does not produce NFL quarterbacks

  19. I think Hue is doing a fine job with a mediocre roster. Even competent wide receiver play would have won a game or two, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. What, exactly, is Hue’s fault in all of it? He never had a roster with which he could win, the ownership didn’t expect him to win, and he’s battled a superabundance of injuries. It seems to me that coach is the least of this team’s worries.

  20. The problem is not (only) that they are losing. The problem is that they are getting worse. I didn’t think that was possible after 1-15 but they were actually in some games last year. This year they have not held a lead for a single second of football and they really look like they have no idea what they are doing. The game planning, coaching, talent evaluation and talent development are all bad. Their schedule has gotten easier each week and yet they have managed to play worse each week.

    It really does look like everyone in the organization is losing confidence in the 5 year plan. I’m on board with analytics, but it needs to inform your rational decisions, not override them. Stats, trends, value, and PFF scores should all be considered but so should psychology. You gotta remember that they are people and not assets and that sports are emotional. Emotionally, it looks like everyone is quitting.

  21. If Kizer gets two good wide receivers… he will be good.

    Unfortunately… the Brown (like mike brown’s Bengals) don’t value wide receivers.
    Even though the nfl is a passing league.

  22. You do realize that’s this is really only week 5 of year 2 of the rebuilding process with Jackson right? I can understand impatience from the fans after watching lousy football for so long – but articles like this – which is speculation aimied at manufacturing a narrative is really getting old. I’m not a Browns fan (though I am very sympathetic) but everyday on this site someone is getting criticized for being impatient in one article and criticized for being too patient in another. This is just editorial speculation embedded in actual news stories. How about a page dedicated to conspiracy theroies, PC nonsense and opinion and perhaps one for actual news. Some of us come here to read news about the sport we love.

  23. Quit looking at the players. They all have performed at a high level at the previous level. They put their pants on one leg at a time, just like all the other players in this league. They’re just not buying in to Hue, who in turn is not buying into Sashi/Haslam

  24. I have absolutely nothing against the Browns or their fans but I said from the beginning that hiring Hue Jackson as HC was a horrible mistake. I observed him as a Raiders fan during his stint in Oakland and he’s overrated as a HC and even worse he’s a mentally unstable egomaniac. Mike Pettine wasn’t a very good HC but Jackson was a downgrade for Cleveland.

  25. doctorrustbelt says:
    October 8, 2017 at 10:45 am
    Hue Jackson is safe.

    Sashi Brown will be gone by draft time.

    I wouldn’t trust any general manager from Boston.
    SEE: Sashi Brown and mike tannenbaum

    QUESTION: Who in their right mind hires a general manager who was born, raised, went to high school, and went to college in Boston?!?
    —————————————————————————
    What does being born in Boston have to do with being a good GM? So by your logic, Theo Epstein sux

  26. “Disagree. They likely targeted Sam Darnold as a one in generation impact player, but can’t say they are tanking yet another year without intense angst among the paying fan base.”

    If the Browns are tanking for Darnold, that in itself is reason enough to fire the GM

  27. He was hired to rebuild. Let him rebuild.. as far as people talking about salary cap space. Think of all the players on 1st contracts. Of course they are going to be less cap space .

    I think they are a mess but I also think they need a chance to make an attempt. 20 games is not enough. Like some pats fan had said, patience.

  28. “I think Hue is doing a fine job with a mediocre roster. Even competent wide receiver play would have won a game or two, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. What, exactly, is Hue’s fault in all of it? He never had a roster with which he could win, the ownership didn’t expect him to win, and he’s battled a superabundance of injuries. It seems to me that coach is the least of this team’s worries.”

    I am interested in your definition of the word “mediocre”

  29. Hue is the problem. He’s the one playing a QB that can’t complete 50% of his passes and throws multiple picks a game. No team can win with that type of QB play. The best Hue’s offense looked this season was when Hogan was playing while Kizer had his head ache. But Hue thinks that he’s some sort of a QB whisper that can make inaccurate QB something special. Last year Hue benched his QB while winning a game. A QB that actually completes passes. Hue is the problem, need to turn the team over to Greg Williams.

  30. Only in a revenue-sharing environment can a product suck in perpetuity and still be profitable. Franky, I’m surprised more teams don’t do this. Also surprised the league doesn’t force a sale if an owner can’t put together a .500 team every seven or eight years

  31. Total dumpster fire. Hue all gotta go. Clean house and put the homeless guy in charge the rest of the year, let him tank for the #1 pick then back the brinks trucks up to Nick Caserio’s and Josh McDaniels doorsteps to bring Browns football back to Cleveland.

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