Stephen Ross: It’s “incumbent” on players to “stand and salute” flag

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Dolphins owner Stephen Ross has supported the rights of players to not stand during the anthem. But Ross now believes that the time has come to consistently stand.

Via Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald, Ross couched the issue on Sunday in terms of pragmatism, explaining that if the President and a significant portion of the public believe that standing for the flag is a referendum on patriotism, players should treat it that way. Ross said that President Trump’s comments from 16 days ago “changed that whole paradigm,” prompting Ross to change his views on whether it’s acceptable to not stand.

“I think it’s incumbent upon players today if that’s how the public is looking at it, is to stand and salute the flag,” Ross said.

It’s a surprising comment, largely because there’s nothing Ross can do to force players to stand for the anthem, and there’s nothing he can do if they choose not to. It’s possible, then, that the Dolphins are the team whose players were reportedly told to stand or to stay in the locker room.

However it plays out, it will make for an interesting scene in Miami in about 10 minutes.

45 responses to “Stephen Ross: It’s “incumbent” on players to “stand and salute” flag

  1. It’s incumbent upon the country to live up to its promise for all Americans. Making the country honor that is patriotic anything less is unacceptable.

  2. It’s a surprising comment, largely because there’s nothing Ross can do to force players to stand for the anthem, and there’s nothing he can do if they choose not to. It’s possible, then, that the

    Sure he can. Not only is it the rule book but he is the boss. So if they go on the field they must stand..

  3. The vocal minority tried to make you believe they were the majority again, but just like in the election, the silent majority won.

  4. Who cares(except the ppl with no lives). Give this story a rest.Was at college game yesterday and both teams came out after the anthem to avoid this crap.I go to church every Sunday plus bible study but I’m not gonna have an aneurysm if someone I run into screams that he is a atheist. I tend to not worry about what other ppls beliefs are. All these ppl crying saying they will never watch another game because a few players kneel? My god, get a life.I won’t even mention the racist name calling during the anthem(when the racist should be singing the anthem and um…minding there own business.

  5. Go Trump Go!!!!!
    Making America Great Again?

    Thee owners do not want to feel the wrath of the GOAT President

  6. Intelligent people would not challenge their boss/owner and anticipate keeping their job. Of course, many athletes (and other people) are not noted for being Einsteins.

    Ask my 34 employees what would happen if they willfully disregarded one of my edicts.

  7. It’s a surprising comment, largely because there’s nothing Ross can do to force players to stand for the anthem, and there’s nothing he can do if they choose not to.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~
    You’re the lawyer, right? Ross, and to a lesser extent the league, is the employer. He can certainly tell them to not disrespect the flag while in uniform and/or while in his stadium. It is clear that Ross supports his players. It is also clear that he sees the problem with where/when the players choose to make their statement. That is far different than disagreeing or belittling why many say they kneel. The act itself (kneeling during the anthem) is directly disrespectful. The reason why they choose to kneel is fine…except for the idiots that want an apology from POTUS. Thank you, Mr. Ross, for understanding the reasonable request from many fans. Now, please do two things: #1 Talk to Stills and his crew and give them another forum…and #2 tell Gase to stop calling 6 yard pass plays on 3rd and 10 😉

  8. He could fire an employee for not following company policies. That’s a boss’s right last I checked. I would love to see that happen. Would make my day.

  9. What was proven is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ talks…

    The NFL has lost it’s shirt financially…while alienating it’s FANS…

    LOL

    It probably won’t totally recover either..

  10. The vocal minority tried to make you believe they were the majority again, but just like in the election, the silent majority won.

    The silent “majority” won the election? That’s an interesting perspective you have considering more Americans voted for Clinton than Trump. But, yeah, let’s get all fired up about the freedom and democracy that we are so certain we have!

  11. “The vocal minority tried to make you believe they were the majority again, but just like in the election, the silent majority won.”

    Clinton received 65,844,610 votes, or 48.2% of the total vote.
    Trump received 62,979,636 votes, or 46.1% of the total vote.

    (If you have evidence of 3 million illegal votes I’m sure we’d all love to see it)

  12. nflfollower says:
    October 8, 2017 at 1:17 pm

    He could fire an employee for not following company policies. That’s a boss’s right last I checked. I would love to see that happen. Would make my day.

    ——————-

    The owners did and his name is Colin Kaepernick… now the owner just need to fire the rest of the anti-American protesters.

  13. “the silent majority won”.

    Ha! People have been claiming that various forms of silent majorities exist for the past 50 years. There is no such thing, it is a myth.

  14. “I think it’s incumbent upon players today if that’s how the public is looking at it, is to stand and salute the flag,” Ross said.

    So players have to suspend their Constitutional right to protest if the owner and a certain percentage of the public don’t want Black people kneeling quietly to draw attention to injustice and inequality? Really? Are you absolutely sure about that? Wanta take it to court? Because you’ll lose.

  15. joetoronto says:
    October 8, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    The vocal minority tried to make you believe they were the majority again, but just like in the election, the silent majority won

    ————————–
    Well, except for the fact that the person with the most votes (majority) didn’t actually win. Yes, Trump won due to the rules currently in place, but that doesn’t mean he represents the majority.

  16. Of course owners can move to cut or bench players, but then those players can move toward playing elsewhere. And if players collectively support each other that owner will not be fielding much of a team.

  17. Mr. Florio, I know the 1st Amendment is misunderstood by many but as a journalist covering this issue for weeks and weeks now, I would have hoped you would have looked it up. The 1st Amendment means that the players have a right to kneel or not take part in the anthem ceremony in the sense that the government can’t throw them in jail or otherwise punish them (despite what the prez wants or thinks) BUT as a private employer, Mr. Ross is absolutely legally able to fire or bench any player for doing so- so it is not correct to say that there is nothing he can do. Maybe you meant politically or practically there is nothing he can do, but your article seems to imply that there is legally nothing he can do. Also, just for fun, its the same 1st Amendment that gives Mr. Ross the freedom to fire or bench such player employees. That is, the government can’t force Mr. Ross to employ anthem protesters if he doesn’t want to.

    Contrast this with Nick Saban saying Alabama players have a right to protest and he won’t do anything to punish them. Mr. Saban is correct. As a state university, Alabama Is the same as the “government” in the 1st Amendment and the school can’t legally do anything to punish players for protesting.

    Pedantic, maybe, but the exact meaning of “the players’ rights” is critical to understand for the discussion of this issue. Wouldn’t you agree?

  18. Let me make this very clear. You cannot legislate or demand nationalism. This has been done in the past with horrific results. You are asking for the 2nd rise of Nazism. It is better to discuss and debate than mandate.

  19. Mr. Florio, I did not know you went to law shool. So I guess you do understand the 1st Amendment and I misunderstood your article. What DID you mean when you wrote Mr. Ross can’t do anything when his players protest?

  20. The Dolphins are irrelevant.

    From the Miami Herald less than two weeks ago:

    “Our country needs unifying leadership right now, not more divisiveness. We need to seek to understand each other and have civil discourse instead of condemnation and sound bites. I know our players who kneeled for the anthem and these are smart young men of character who want to make our world a better place for everyone. They wanted to start a conversation and are making a difference in our community, including working with law enforcement to bring people together. We all can benefit from learning, listening and respecting each other. Sports is a common denominator in our world. We all have the responsibility to use this platform to promote understanding, respect and equality.” – Stephen Ross.

  21. the unbelievable amount of stupidity in some of these comments is mind boggling.Trump won due to the rules currently in place…those are the only rules that have ever existed in this country.want to take it to court…ummm yeah,kneeling and protesting when you’re at work on company time you,re the one thats gonna lose.black or any other players cave to the owner…uhh yes because the owner is the boss and he makes the rules.what planet do you people exist on?

  22. “So players have to suspend their Constitutional right to protest if the owner and a certain percentage of the public don’t want Black people kneeling quietly to draw attention to injustice and inequality? Really? Are you absolutely sure about that? Wanta take it to court? Because you’ll lose.”
    …………………
    You do not have a constitutional right to protest while you are on the clock. You are getting paid to do a job and to represent your employer. The courts would support the employer.
    There are also much better ways to bring proper attention to an issue than by showing disrespect for the freedoms you are attempting to exercise.

  23. You/they want to stand, stand. You/they don’t want to stand, don’t stand. Blind obedience is not patriotism. You want blind obedience feel free to move to North Korea and worship Dear Leader (although ours would absolutely love adulation, be it forced or otherwise). This country was founded on protest. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with not standing for a song. It definitely got folks attention, although the reason behind it have been obscured. It’s not about a lack of respect.

  24. The protests began due to Police Officers not being charged in several instances with a crime for the homicide of Afro Americans. Some police officers were charged with a crime. The reason some were not has to due with there not being intent to commit a crime. The Police Officers can lose their jobs for not adhering to department policy. However to be charged on a criminal basis there has to be intent to commit a criminal offense. If there is no intent, there is no crime! All Prosecutors nationally know this! I’m really surprised that the National Police Organizations have not made this clear in a public statement drafted by their legal council.

  25. ilovemyravens says:
    October 8, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    Or just take out the anthem all together so the fake patriots and their dodger-in-chief

    …….
    Trump literally holds the highest ranking military position on the planet. Someone of his stature is not suitable for infantry. He’s a leader not a low iq bullet sponge.

  26. Was it patriotic for NFL owners to ask the Armed Services to pay NFL teams over $10MM in fee to promote their displays?

    Was it patriotic for our president to skip military service by utilizing “Fake” medical conditions?

    Is it patriotic for our president to appropriate symbols like the flag and the anthem to burnish his failing image?

    The flag and the anthem are “our” symbols, left, right and center. Some want to pretend they own them exclusively.

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