Jesse James hints that Steelers were outcoached

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It’s one thing for the Jaguars to crow that the Steelers played into their hands on Sunday. It’s another thing for a Steeler to say it.

At a time when so much focus has been devoted to things said by offensive players like Ben Roethlisberger, Le'Veon Bell, and Antonio Brown, a midlevel member of the offense may have provided the clearest indication yet regarding one of the biggest problems in Pittsburgh: Predictability.

“I think defenses have had good game plans for us,” tight end Jesse James said after the 30-9 loss, via Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com. “Jacksonville did a good job [on Sunday] taking away crossing routes, which we’ve been using the past couple of weeks. Obviously, they game-planned for that, hanging in the flat there, keeping an eye on us coming across. . . . I think we will just hopefully be a little less predictable, get more game-plan stuff in.”

While tactful, it’s a clear criticism of offensive coordinator Todd Haley. It’s ultimately his responsibility to ensure that the game plans change enough from week to week — and that strategy be disguised from snap to snap — to avoid situations like this.

Some (like Ben McAdoo) would say good execution can cure these flaws. But if there’s both an issue with execution and a problem with the telegraphing of plays, the Steelers are going to have plenty more days like the one they had on Sunday. And Steelers fans, whose patience is rarely tested because the team is rarely mediocre or worse, could quickly become restless.

44 responses to “Jesse James hints that Steelers were outcoached

  1. He feels like he doesn’t have to respect an African-American coach, just like Villanueva a few weeks ago. I think the Trump effect is stronger than people want to admit.

  2. “While tactful, it’s a clear criticism of offensive coordinator Todd Haley. It’s ultimately his responsibility…”

    Haley’s function is to present and craft a game plan but someone else (cough Tomlin cough) has to sign off on it. The HC is ultimately responsible just as surely as a captain is responsible when a junior officer puts the ship on the rocks.

  3. briang123 says:
    October 10, 2017 at 4:40 pm
    He feels like he doesn’t have to respect an African-American coach, just like Villanueva a few weeks ago. I think the Trump effect is stronger than people want to admit.

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    This. As a Patriots fan I agree.

  4. I dislike the Steelers…A lot. But I will say that as a Bengals fan I’ve been jealous at how buttoned up that team has been in my lifetime. All of the distractions seemed to stay in house or at least not affect the on-field product. Now it’s something new every week and the team is nowhere near its potential. If I were a Steelers fan (ewww) I would be hoping for the end of the Mike Tomlin era sooner rather than later.

  5. Why is everyone tiptoeing around the simple fact that the Steelers just aren’t that good? Their record is inflated because they play in the cream puffiest division in the NFL.

  6. Giving Ben 55 attempts against a top ranked secondary and Bell 15 rushes against a 30th ranked rush defense is the definition of outcoached.

  7. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    October 10, 2017 at 4:52 pm
    briang123 says:
    October 10, 2017 at 4:40 pm
    He feels like he doesn’t have to respect an African-American coach, just like Villanueva a few weeks ago. I think the Trump effect is stronger than people want to admit.

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    This. As a Patriots fan I agree.

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    As a Patriots fan who is not a moron, I do not agree. While I don’t think it’s appropriate or helpful to call out coaching in public, this has nothing to do with Tomlin’s race. It has to do with the fact that he is not now, nor has he ever been, a particularly good tactician.

  8. =========================
    This. As a Patriots fan I agree.

    Patsfanblahdeblah
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    Relax dude, everyone knows you’re a Dolphins troll and not an actual Patriots fan. Take a day off – go experience life outside.

  9. Why is everyone tiptoeing around the simple fact that the Steelers just aren’t that good? Their record is inflated because they play in the cream puffiest division in the NFL.

    I think a Cheesesteak eating genius like yourself should understand why. Nobody wants to eat crow when they are wrong in December. The Steelers play in a division where someone else has gone to Super Bowl in the last 45;years…..not the Pat’s . Try again with cheese.

  10. I agree with Jesse James on the Steelers been out coached. Since last year, Ben has been on a decline. Like the Bills game last year where Bell had his best game as a Steeler, Ben almost lost us that game. And even in the Playoff, he starts hot and then his play drops fast.

    This year, he has been sub par at best. He has thrown an INT in every game he has played this year. He has missed wide open players on deep balls and is currently struggling to hit 300 yards per game. Now, I have the NFL game pass, and I always go back to watch Steeler games and it is apparent to me that Ben is playing like he is a mid level QB, how the Steeler brass don’t see that is baffling to me. If they did, they would have gone into the game with the Jaguars (ranked last against the run) with the intent of manhandling their undersized D-Line and Linebackers. The Jags are tops against the pass because they have fast players on defense. We got out coached and this is becoming a troubling trend with Mike Tomlin. He is always out coached when we play New England and then have lost this season against 2 teams with mediocre QBs. Pundits need to stop saying the Steelers are a championship caliber team until we play like one. So disappointing.

  11. Yep, many coaching staffs are overcoming 5 turnovers from the QB, two of them pick sixes in a game where the defense gave up 16 points otherwise. I’m pretty sure it happens never.

  12. briang123 says:
    October 10, 2017 at 4:40 pm
    He feels like he doesn’t have to respect an African-American coach, just like Villanueva a few weeks ago. I think the Trump effect is stronger than people want to admit.
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    So what’s the excuse when it’s Brown, Bell or Bryant not respecting the coach?
    That’s the problem when the race card is the only one in your deck, you don’t have any others to play.

  13. Nofoolnodrool says:
    October 10, 2017 at 5:17 pm

    I think a Cheesesteak eating genius like yourself should understand why. Nobody wants to eat crow when they are wrong in December.
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    Wrong about what? They get into the playoffs by virtue of being the top cream puff on the cream puff pole in a cream puff division. Then they get bounced.

  14. I don’t blame Steeler players and fans for being disappointed.

    This was supposed to be the year for them to get back to the promised land – with a new defensive philosophy to finally stop NE matched with their “lethal” offense.

    But here we are in October and it’s looking about the same as it always does – lots of hype, very little actual productivity on the field, the same poor coaching, the same out of control locker room.

  15. A lot of things went wrong Sunday, and a lot of players need to play better. And the coaches need to do their job. I frankly didn’t understand why they didn’t try to pound the ball running 4 times from first and goal at the 5. Three straight passes. Exert your will. But it was only 1 game. The KC game will tell the tale. This offense needs to finally get an identity and play up to their talent level. No more talk, just play.

  16. But here we are in October and it’s looking about the same as it always does – lots of hype, very little actual productivity on the field, the same poor coaching, the same out of control locker room.

    When was the last time you were in the locker room? What a fool….you are one of those 19-0 Jan Pats fans right….be quiet you won’t look so stupid.

  17. Nofoolnodrool says:
    October 10, 2017 at 6:06 pm

    When was the last time you were in the locker room?
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    That’s the point – you don’t need to be in the locker room because the players are either spilling their guts to the media, throwing temper tantrums on the sidelines in front of 80,000 people or otherwise making it very clear that it’s all about them and they don’t respect the coaches.

  18. So…I can’t wait for Joey Porter to come out and say the defense hates the offense again…that was a running theme before Big Ben took over at QB.

    This time it could be everybody hates everybody and every player hates Todd Haley.

    55 passes against the Jaguars is crazy. I know there were behind but throwing that much against that defense..I mean even the Jets opted to keep running it. How could the Steelers get away from Bell so much?

    Reminds me of a game of Giants vs Jets and Jets could not handle Giants pass rush, and the solution was for them to pass 68 times or something…
    Haley will push to sign Tyler Palco to play QB for the Steelers.

  19. jim699 says:
    October 10, 2017 at 5:51 pm

    The Steelers lose 4 games that they should win every year. What’s different about this season?
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    Most arrogant overrated team in the league. “Should win”? That’s the problem – they somehow think just showing up is enough. Same with the so-called “lethal” offense. Everyone on the team is a supposed superstar and they can’t even put up 20 points when it matters.

  20. That’s the point – you don’t need to be in the locker room because the players are either spilling their guts to the media, throwing temper tantrums on the sidelines in front of 80,000 people or otherwise making it very clear that it’s all about them and they don’t respect the coaches.

    So a fan of helmet throwing and tantrum throwing Brady is going to leap to some very stupid conclusions……please stop posting you are hurting my brain with being so obtuse.

  21. Haley’s function is to present and craft a game plan but someone else (cough Tomlin cough) has to sign off on it. The HC is ultimately responsible just as surely as a captain is responsible when a junior officer puts the ship on the rocks.

    Thanks Captain Obvious the Elephant Vet. Stick to football……

  22. Nofoolnodrool says:
    October 10, 2017 at 5:17 pm
    The Steelers play in a division where someone else has gone to Super Bowl in the last 45;years….
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    Tweaking the Pats homers with nonsense doesn’t help the cause any. In the past 45 years the AFC East has sent a team besides the Patriots to the Super Bowl 8 times. The AFC North has sent a team besides Pittsburgh 4 times. In the Belichick era the Patriots are .782 against the AFC East and .828 against the AFC North, numbers don’t lie. The AFC North was the 2nd weakest division in the league last year with only the truly pathetic NFC West keeping it from being the worst. It’s true the AFC East hasn’t managed to dethrone New England but it has averaged more wins outside itself than any other division over the past 10 years and for the past 4 years in a row has beaten the Patriots as many times in 6 tries as the rest of the league has in 10. Maybe instead of posting nonsense about a division that has the Bungles and Brownies to wipe their feet on you could recognize both your team and division hasn’t exactly done it’s share. As a 50+ year fan of another team in the AFC East I can safely say the fans of the other teams in it would appreciate some help with the heavy lifting.

  23. Don’t have to hint, anyone that watched that game knew we were being out coached….15 times we rushed against one of the worst run defenses in the league….

  24. briang123 says:
    October 10, 2017 at 4:40 pm
    He feels like he doesn’t have to respect an African-American coach, just like Villanueva a few weeks ago. I think the Trump effect is stronger than people want to admit.
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    he who plays the race card is the racist

  25. briang123 says:

    He feels like he doesn’t have to respect an African-American coach, just like Villanueva a few weeks ago. I think the Trump effect is stronger than people want to admit.
    ===========================================================

    So now if a player questions a game plan it’s Trumps fault and all about skin color. But there’s something you may have missed in the alternate reality you live in. Todd Haley is white.

  26. We’ve heard all these years that Ben doesn’t need coaching and carries the coaches. So now he does? Make up your mind guys. He’s the one who accounted for the 2 TD lead to the Jags that necessitated they start throwing on every down btw despite many idiots here claiming something different. Until that point, they were mixing it up with Bell averaging his 3 yards a carry since coming back from his summer off. But again, why did Ben need coaching anyway? He’s done it all and is the only reason these guys have jobs. Maybe if he hadn’t been stinking the whole year, they wouldn’t have lost winnable games since the defense is giving up 15 PPG without his pick sixes. That would be good enough for most teams, especially when you have this amazing QB who requires no coaching and overcomes all of the incompetence around him apparently.

  27. realfootballfan says:
    October 10, 2017 at 7:44 pm
    We’ve heard all these years that Ben doesn’t need coaching and carries the coaches. So now he does? Make up your mind guys. He’s the one who accounted for the 2 TD lead to the Jags that necessitated they start throwing on every down btw despite many idiots here claiming something different.
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    From the moment Jax went up 14-9 Pittsburgh went away from Bell, he had 3 touches from that point on.

  28. As a rule, I like Mike Tomlin. But if I have one issue with him, it’s this: Why is Jesse James telling the media the Steelers were outcoached? Why is Roethlisberger running about talking about whether he has or hasn’t lost passion for the game? The team doesn’t need to be mouthing off about its internal struggles in the press. And Brown doesn’t need to be doing whatever stupid thing he’s doing on any given week. These guys need to keep their mouths shut and focus on winning. I’m so tired of all the drama.

  29. Nofoolnodrool says:
    October 10, 2017 at 6:36 pm

    So a fan of helmet throwing and tantrum throwing Brady is going to leap to some very stupid conclusions……please stop posting you are hurting my brain with being so obtuse.
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    I’ve seen Brady yelling at his guys to play their best, while I’ve seen Antonio Brown throw a Gatorade container because he’s not getting enough touches. And it seems to be working for both of them – Brady led his team to the most recent SB win; Brown got the Steelers to throw him 19 passes (19!) in a game against the worst run defense in the league.

  30. @ John Baxter

    Ben hasn’t thrown an interception against Minnesota and Chicago. Those are the facts

  31. Mr. Art Rooney
    Please, please, please, start looking for a new Offensive coordinator Mr. Haley is not and has not been doing his job for quite some time now I think he thinks why put so much time in on game film when we have such a awesome Offense. Mr. Rooney Steelers Nation has spoken and I think it is time for you to listen, when a coach isn’t doing his job and thinks he knows every team in the NFL and doesn’t watch game film of his opponent, it is time to look for a new Offensive Coordinator.

  32. whybotherifeverythinggetscensored says:
    October 11, 2017 at 7:34 am

    Has anyone ever really been impressed by the way Tomlin coaches?
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    He was sort of refreshing his first few years, but his act has become stale.

  33. finnymcphin ,

    He threw back to back pick sixes kid. You can keep lying to other people, but I saw it. Also, exactly where was Bell tearing Jacksonville up? He stunk like he’s stunk in every other game besides the one last week this year.

  34. How much coaching is responsible for opening up a hole that lets a RB demolish that Swiss cheese d-line for 90 yards? Hahaha. Try again, Jesse.

  35. Y’all keep saying that Jacksonville’s rush defense is last, which going into the game, it was on paper. I bet it’s not at season’s end though. Just sayin

  36. Ben mentioned in one of the interviews that the Jags were loading the box – I think they knew the offense was struggling so they decided to prevent the run. Also keep in mind, the first pick 6 was a tipped pass. That’s generally on the offensive line if a d-lineman tips the pass. The second was a fluke, but in all honesty should not have been thrown. But still a fluke. After that, it was just them trying to do anything to get back in the game. Just a whole lot of Murphy’s law.

  37. There’s a plethora of reasons why the jaguars beat the Steelers asses.
    1 better game plan
    2. Better execution
    3. Better players
    4. More luck of the roll
    If the jags would have done what the Steelers did ( let the QB throw 8000 times) there would have been 25 interceptions.
    I believe the biggest deciding factor was that the jags just beat the Steelers on Almost every level.
    The even out trash talked them.
    Jalen Ramsey was in abs face every snap.
    This is simple smash mouth football folks.
    The jags were running every down and everyone including the cheerleaders knew it and Noone could stop it.
    The jags were sitting on crossing routes and everyone knew it and Ben still tried to throw it there.
    Here’s what Happened.
    The jags went to Pittsburgh and kicked the Steelers asses.
    Period.
    From a jags fan?
    It was a 60 minute orgasm.
    Get sum.
    And for the next opponents for the jags?
    Here’s what you can expect.
    You’re going to get ran over.
    Were going to take the ball from your offense.
    And you’re probably going to blame someone else for the big puffy eye you have.
    That’s on your face.
    Your eye
    Your face.
    Oh and here’s how it’s going to happen.
    Were going to line up with a horrible QB.
    Were going to run the ball.
    When I get the ball were going to take it from you and then we’re going to run it down your throat.
    Damn that feels good

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