Signs point to NFL potentially telling players to stand

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The NFL hasn’t specifically said that it plans to consider revising the rule that makes standing for the anthem optional, but all signs point to the league taking up the possibility — and quite possibly changing the rule to require standing. Although NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart didn’t say during a Tuesday media briefing that the league definitely will be considering a potential revision to the provision of the game operations manual that says players “should” (not “must”) stand, a discussion/debate over whether to make standing mandatory is possible if not likely, especially in light of recent comments from Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and Dolphins owner Stephen Ross.

Based on the Tuesday memo from the Commissioner to all teams, which was published not leaked by the league office (which means they wanted the media and fans to see it), it’s fair to wonder whether the outcome will be the implementation of a rule that requires standing. The reference in the memo to an “in-season platform to promote the work of our players” on “core issues” regarding their communities coupled with the declaration that “we believe that everyone should stand for the National Anthem” suggests that the league, through the authority vested in its $40 million-per-year pin cushion, will be telling the players, “Here’s a vehicle for giving attention to the causes that are important to you. Now, you will stand for the anthem.”

This could spark a legal battle with the union over whether that change can be made without submitting the issue to the tit-for-tat of collective bargaining. From the league’s perspective, so what? Like other instances of going too far and then forcing the NFLPA to push back via the court system, the league would be able to tell the President and anyone else who has a problem with kneeling for the anthem that the league has done everything it can to force the players to stand. If, ultimately, a court blocks the NFL from forcing players to stand, the outcome came be blamed on “activist, unelected judges” who don’t properly respect nation, flag, and country.

Along the way, the NFLPA and the players will potentially become the villains, from the perspective of the President and those who refuse to accept that kneeling or sitting for the anthem is ever anything but disrespectful. The NFL and its owners will emerge with clean hands, and the NFL and the owners ultimately need to be concerned about that because the players will come and go but the owners will always hold the equity in the league.

Could it get ugly if the owners ultimately secure the ability to force players to stand, at the risk of being kept from playing? Sure. But as we’ve learned through multiple strikes and a lockout, players want to play. If the NFL successfully adopts a rule requiring players to stand for the anthem with the consequence being that they won’t play and they won’t get paid if they don’t, they’re going to stand for the anthem.

The only remaining question may be whether the NFL legally can pull it off. For now, it’s looking possible if not probable that they’ll at least try.

149 responses to “Signs point to NFL potentially telling players to stand

  1. This is the right thing to do. They will not get my business back until next year but…

    Is there is any doubt that Trump trolled these players…

    #Trump_Winning

  2. News of them “potentially” doing that is not enough. Nice try though. Do it or the boycott will continue and worsen. Don’t believe me? Thats fine, you probably didn’t believe ratings would drop to begin with.

  3. Stop playing the Star Spangled Banner. It should be played at military and sporting events. It’s military-centric. Play America the Beautiful instead. You want to make a statement and gesture that honors our flag and our country? Get rid of the confederate flag.

  4. Good! This topic is a draw and no winners…IMO let the players kneel, stand on their head, whatever but once the anthem starts STAND put your hand over your heart! Too bad Goodell doesn’t have the gonads to be forceful on own and not buckle to the pressure.

  5. I don’t care. The NFL can take a long walk off of a short pier. The product isn’t worth wasting my weekend on anyways. I’m 4-1 in two fantasy football leagues and I’ve watched one half all season. I’m done.

  6. It’s about time NFL. The Trump fans will claim victory, the Trump haters will call Trump a racist, and yes, maybe we can begin to talk about football again.

  7. Frankly, it’s too late. They don’t seem to understand (and that goes for many in the media) they’ve seriously damaged their brand. There was a whole lot of scoffing and snickering when fans said last year that if the NFL continued to allow the flag to be dishonored that they’d stop watching. To many, the flag stands for many things people hold sacred. The NFL thought it was simply to big and powerful to worry about it and catered to the protesters. They thought they were too big to fail. They were wrong. Unless there is a complete housecleaning and a sincere humbleness afterward, the NFL as we knew it will be a shadow of what it once was.

  8. Of course the league can mandate that with the possibility of penalties. It’s a private business. Freedom of speech doesn’t protect you from a private employer taking action against you. And of course players should be standing for the anthem. Contrary to what most are saying it is disrespectful to sit or kneel. You’re representing your team and sport on a worldwide stage. You’re also in the presence of a military color guard and at times an honor guard. You stand because you’re representing something much bigger than you. Protest whatever you want on your own time. No other private business would be ok with employees making personal statements that may not align with the company while on company time. Why is this even an issue?

  9. They’ve got every right to do it. They SHOULD do it, to end, once and for all, this silly, ridiculous, idiotic issue. The players can protest anywhere and in any way they like on their own time (as long as they’re not breaking any laws). They can work for positive change in areas that need it. But refusing to honor a simple request/rule by your employer to stand for the Anthem is silly, selfish, and childish. Let’s get over this nonsense already. It’s caused infinitely more division in this country than unity… and isn’t unity what they’re ultimately trying to accomplish? It’s the epitome of irony and stupidity.

  10. Hardly a surprise. It was obvious from the beginning the owners would cave. Unfortunately a lot of players aren’t smart enough to see the wisdom of such a move and now that their support of Soros and all things politically left wing is out in the open a total ratings rebound is doubtful. Oh well. Stupidity has consequences.

  11. Players got their point across.

    NFLPA will fight this.

    Owners will threaten players until one of their “Good” players force their hand.

    Owners can’t win this.

    Lol I love it !!!

  12. I think this is an easy issue to solve. NFL players are employees of the NFL. If they do something that effects ratings and profits the league has every right to tell them to stop. If a teacher took first period to push their beliefs on the students I’m sure he or she would be fired and no one would question it. Then why do these players get a pass?

    I believe you can find some common ground by telling the players to stand, but also dedicating time and resources to local communities to strengthening the relationship between law enforcement and black communities.

    However, I do unfortunately believe this is going to get out of hand because some players like Malcom Jenkins are already saying ‘they will not be stopped or silenced’. I think for some this has transitioned into more of a pride thing rather than a movement which is dangerous.

  13. We saw the type of men they are. They don’t care about the fans. They think they’re smarter than us in their attempt to “educate” us about our own society. I don’t think I’ll be able to root for them again. Maybe I’ll watch some playoff games, maybe not. All I know is the next fiasco/scandal under Goodell is as sure as Lucy pulling the ball from Charlie Brown.

  14. Well…just stand. The kneeling has done absolutely nothing to better the cause for which it began. That cause has basically been lost because now it’s a trend. Kaepernick has even abandoned it. Stand up and move on.

  15. I am sure that they are going to go with it, they would be foolish not to.

    It is shame that the owners are looking more after their interests than their union is. Right now the NFL is losing money based on this, to bad the players are to dense to either realize or care about this fact.

    They will be happy when they get their new contracts, but they will forget this ever happened. What really needs to happen is that they players that aren’t protesting need to tell the others to pick a different means of protest. However, they won’t do that for fear of being labeled a racist.

  16. You know what would be a novel idea? Let it be up to the owners. This isn’t a law and this isn’t an area where state law or Federal law could supersede. It’s a private business run by private owners (minus Green Bay). That being said, what if the rules were, what an owner wants is what the players are expected and will do in regards to the anthem? This would change how free-agents view teams, and would have vast other affects. It would also hold true to what private business could do as well as what free Americans can choose to do.

  17. As I said earlier, be careful this is complicated. There is so much involved here. Most do not realize just how deep and dark this rabbit hole is. Jerry in trying to take the easy way out just opened 55 gallon drum of worms… today its a union, tomorrow the ALCU then the religious organizations etc. etc. etc…

    Should have just left well enough alone..

    Wake me when this is over and this country gets back to normal…

  18. IF The players were smart they will stand and hold hands in solidarity. They would still be able to get their message across, but at the same time refusing to salute the flag as a way to protest. Or they can all turn their backs on the flag while still standing, this way is more disrespectful than kneeling during the anthem. Protests are made to make people uncomfortable

  19. All they need is a spectacle on Thursday night previewing what might happen on the weekend. For example, if the 4 QBs kneel, there will be no QBs and it will be one of the ugliest games not featuring the Browns or Jets. IF they get an inkling that might happen Sunday as well, the Networks will not be happy.

  20. Whatever ones beliefs on the anthem issue, rest assured that Goodell has zero principles, he will always act strictly out of self interest and follow the money. He’s just a rag in the wind.

  21. His own brand of industrial social justice coming to a town near you. Got to nail Brady with nothing & everyone outside of NE loved it. He get to do whatever the billionaires want to do. Billionaires out negotiated temporary millionaires.

  22. Can they make the players stand? Well, Since the NFL made up of a bunch of private employers. They should be able to make up any rule they want that infringe on free speech. They should be totally unconstrained legally. That is my take.

  23. The social issue that spawned this all has made it aware to all who follow. Sadly, it seems to me it’s only divided us more as a country. Both sides can be blamed and applauded. It’s a rough time for the country right now, but we need to prevail and unite!

    Can we just agree to disagree as long as no laws are being broke and people hurt? Respect thy neighbor and thy neighbor show the same respect?

  24. Considering the SCOTUS has already determined that one does not have a right to free speech in the workplace, all this talk about court injunctions, etc is pure nonsense.

  25. Call me a fool but the words ‘should stand’ from the Commish vs ‘must stand’ is kind of a big thing. Why not just say ‘pretty please stop kneeling, were losing money’.

  26. Stand, or else what? I hope Dez, Dak and Zeke all kneel at the next game so we can watch if Jerry benches them.

  27. Players too stupid to see the error of their way. May cost them mucho $$$ as fans flee the game. Now owners must step in to try to save the cash cow if they can. Its not about patriotism at all, its all about $$$. No wonder 75% of players go broke a couple of years after they are out of the NFL. Yeah, you took a knee, big deal, very few care,

  28. Sorry NFL, too little too late, and only after you felt the pressure of advertisers and had already rubbed your hubris in the face of us normals. You are going to have to feel the pain for a while and do a lot more groveling before the vast majority of former NFL fans find their way back to your sorry spectacle.

  29. Oh, in other words, the owners took seriously the threat to take away their tax exemption. Trump should do it. These guys are hypocritical bums.

    Once the money starts impacting their purse strings everything changes.

    Either way, America wins!

  30. The signs you’re referring to is dollar, dollar, dollar BILLS… my guess is the real meeting goes like this; If you want to keep making millions you better stand up. It’s not like any of you are priactively doing anything anyway with the supposed inequality stance that you’re taking. So do the league, the coaches, the networks and yourselves a favor… Get your head out of the sand before you figure out your education will get you a minimum wage salary and your posse, girls, and cars will all leave you.

    Signed,
    Reality!

  31. This is stupid. Our country was built under the promise, nay, guarantee of freedom of speech. Whether you hate or tolerate these protests, we have to concede the fact that these men are exercising those same inalienable rights that we all have. Furthermore, the American anthem is a symbol, & by extension “social construct.” Not everyone shares the same assumptions of what the anthem represents. Since values & culture largely shape how we interpret the world, who are we to judge those who protest it? Who are we to say that they are disrespectful or un-American? And I say this as an Iraqi war veteran, who spent most of 2003 & part of 2004 in Tikrit, Iraq. I’d like to believe that those who served before me & those who are serving now or will in the future, will continue to fight for those freedoms that we all enjoy. If not, what’s the point?

  32. This the essence of capitalism and the rights of private businesses…let alone public service. Freedom of expression, freedom of speech. Beautiful things. But freedom of consequences does not come with that inaliable right. Put another way, if my employer had a policy of not politicizing my beliefs on the job (ie, walking the halls pushing my politics on coworkers and customers)…and I chose to disregard, I would accept the consequences if / when I was canned. If you support the right of players to demonstrate…not supporting the right of the employer to limit or prohibit those acts…is the height of hypocrisy.

  33. All it would take to blow up this idea is for some key players to kneel and effectively dare their team’s owner to sit them. I can’t see the owners taking that risk over a symbol. Can’t imagine the coaches would be too thrilled with the threat of benching either.

  34. I’m with the players and it isn’t close. White billionaires trying to control mostly minority players is history repeating itself. I hope they strike when the next CBA is negotiated.

  35. (sighs)

    i wish someone would ask a kneeling player “what will make you stand again?” id love to hear this answer

  36. “Signs point to NFL potentially telling players to stand”

    If they want any fans left. The clock is ticking and I kinda like my Sundays clear…

  37. Show a total lack of respect for the men and women who gave their lives to making America the great nation where we have the freedoms which we have.

  38. The other thing is how those us who aren’t in the 37.5% who approve of Donald Trump will react. PFT commenters and NFL owners lean further right than majority of the nation. This issue does not have the national solidarity that Trump and his ilk claim it does.

    The NFL owners are so misguided and selfish that they have gone out of their way to try to obscure the damage that head trauma has on players. They’re being willfully blind of video evidence of police violating the rights of black citizens. The owners motto should be “No Lives Matter.”

  39. Can’t owners just beam something shiny on faux news to distract baby Huey to some other issue that’s number 4,878 on the list of things we Americans actually care about. Right above his “beef” with the oscars and whether his iq beats Rex (Ryan maybe). Such an embarrassment.

  40. Eyes on 2021. How critical will public support for the NFL and/or NFLPA be when the time comes to negotiate the next CBA? Does the NFLPA really want to fight something like this in court and risk alienating a significant portion of the fan base? How’s that going to play out when the players look to hold out the next CBA battle?

  41. As soon as the President mentioned eliminating the tax exempt status the memo went out

    That simply means less viewing audience = less income

    more taxes = more expenses

    they know it’s time to fix this because they’ll be in big financial trouble

  42. So much for principle, eh, players? All along, we all knew it was about the money, even for the players. But standing up is the decent thing to do, so let’s to it.

  43. “If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation,” ruled the Court, “it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein.”

  44. I detest the kneeling BUT Goodell is clearly a horrible and spineless leader. Yes, I have three season tickets, have not gone to a game and will not for rest of the year. Point is, it seems like we are lacking principal on all sides.

  45. This isn’t a constitutional issue. It’s a work place issue.

    What is the NFLPA gonna do? Nothing.

  46. Loving all the people “Not watching football on Sundays” but still care enough to come onto a football site to comment about pro football.

    If I don’t like something, I don’t go talk about it all the time.

    I’m against forcing patriotism on people myself, but hey, maybe some people like the way North Korea is run.

  47. Goodell’s contract should not be renewed. An effective CEO should have seen this whole problem coming and squashed it early on. Goodell’s history has been reactive instead of proactive and has tended to focus on issues that are not important. One example is deflategate which could have been handled early on with a fine and a reprimand which is exactly what MLB did with the sign stealing issue a few months ago. Unfortunately politics with the owners and liberal politics seem to guide Roger.

  48. The solution seems simple. Protest anytime other than the 90 seconds that the anthem plays. If you aren’t protesting the flag as you say, this solution makes sense

  49. yes, and those signs are on the numbers listed on the ratings, which are falling lower every week! down 17% on MNF.
    maybe these players should protest by staying home for the game and watching the real Americans play on TV.

  50. Roger Goodell should’ve done this 6 months ago. This kneeling, sitting, not coming out of the locker room … it’s not bringing more awareness to social inequality and is not solving any problems; it’s just offending millions of Americans. Whether you agree or disagree with what the players are protesting … I think we can all agree that there are better ways to protest and to get involved in the community than by blatantly disrespecting the National Anthem and Flag.

  51. Next step? White House suggests prison time for anyone who does not salute or honor the American flag while in it’s presence…SMH. You know what is worse than fake patriotism? Forced patriotism.

  52. The N.F.L. is letting these players know to do like every other “average” person who doesn’t have access to a media platform in front of millions of fans. Take up your cause on your own time using your own resources and not at the cost of the league and enjoyment of their fans.

  53. “Signs point to NFL potentially telling players to stand”

    If they want any fans left. The clock is ticking and I kinda like my Sundays clear…
    ____________________________
    So what’s stopping you? Free country, still, right? Or must you have a stage to make a stand?
    SMH

  54. Doesn’t not matter to me. NFL players are put here to entertain us with their athleticism not their brains. They are here for our viewing pleasure. Nothing more, nothing less.

  55. “The other thing is how those us who aren’t in the 37.5% who approve of Donald Trump will react.”
    _______________________________

    Polling out this week suggests that 55% of American voters polled by the Winston Institute want the players to stand for the anthem. In the demographic of males, 34 -54, the percentage rises to 72%, undecided/don’t care is 14% and in favor of kneeling is 14%. That demographic is the one which is the core of NFL viewers and the one who spends money on the NFL. That is what the NFL owners are concerned about.
    The NFL owners could care less about the President’s poll ratings. They care about the $$$ they are losing (or, not gaining). Why is this an issue to them? Third quarter financial reports were just delivered to the owners, and, I would wager, along with viewership, they are down from last year.

  56. “Along the way, the NFLPA and the players will potentially become the villains, from the perspective of the President and those who refuse to accept that kneeling or sitting for the anthem is ever anything but disrespectful.”

    The protesting players and the NFLPA that backs them are the villains.

    Kneeling during the anthem was disrespectful before Trump became president – the former occupant of the White House just failed to speak out against it (and many other things).

    The players have every right to protest as individuals. But when they put on a uniform, they forfeit those rights.

    Lack of understanding on the part of the players doesn’t excuse them from the facts of life.

  57. Cowboys players are gonna be looked at as sellouts throughout the league. Once again, Jerry trying to look like Tommy Tough guy with the players (remember him banging his fists together in the lockout and the players laughing him out of the room?). This is going to get ugly and the Cowboys will go 5-11 this year Bcuz they don’t trust Jones.

  58. If all players can just unit and not play the game then owners and Trump would have no businesses either.

  59. “optional” “should” not “must”
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    We need to get away from this synthetic argument. There are many clear-cut rules that say “should” – even in the NFL rulebook: Once a QB releases a pass, a blitzing defender “should” try to avoid hitting him, and if he does rough him the zebra “should” throw a flag. I know it sometimes isn’t spotted (Bucs got in two free late low hits on Brady just last Sunday), but please tell me, is Roughing the Passer deemed an optional rule? And is penalizing it optional? Of course not. Because it isn’t whether a rule says “should” or “must” but what any penalty is should you decide not follow it.

  60. gavisphere says:

    October 11, 2017 at 3:06 am

    Why not just stop playing the anthem? Problem solved.
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    Why should we stop? Because the players won’t honor the Anthem and flag?

    lets do something positive and direct…… Have the NFL players work to clean up Chicago. Lets have them protest the shootings (3550 in 2016), (Death from gun fire 786) injures from shootings 4550….

    Stop making a stupid stand on something that isn’t going to change over night.

    Focus on what really needs to change…. our cities need to be helped and the people in them 9 ALL RACES) need the help……

  61. Yeah, way to go Kap. You are a whining instigator. You caused all this trouble then said ok I will stand so a team would take you. I’m glad you are unemployed.

  62. Regardless of which side of this issue you are on the nfl under the leadership of
    Roger Goodell has suffered long lasting harm.
    He must have photos of somebody to still have a job.

  63. Heard at next week owner’s meeting

    “So our anti-trust deal and tax breaks are on the table?”

    Amazing what they will do to protect their money. I am all for standing for the anthem and these protests are totally worthless, as is the nfl game now, but it makes me think even less of the league that only cares about the $$$$$$$

  64. Deniers of social injustices are living in lala land, as they are certainly present in many, many communities in this country. NFL players have made a choice to take a stance in the name of social injustice that craps on something many people hold dear. They’ve done this and made their point, so when do they do something that actually contributes to balancing of social injustice? One would hope they have a plan, but it continues because it is trendy and rebellious. I don’t feel offended by what they’re doing but for them to not see that this is going to hurt their pockets in the long run is plain stupidity. If they feel so strongly that they’ve saved money for the aftermath of standing their ground in all this then they may accomplish something, otherwise they’ll be learning an expensive lesson. Either way, peace and love all.

  65. I’d like to see an entire team kneel, or a big-name quarterback, just to call an owner’s bluff. Jerry is NOT benching Dak for an entire game. Opening series? Maybe. It’s easy to bench a third string safety but when it’s your bread and butter, the owners are as greedy, and MORE SO than the players.

  66. Money talks.
    You wouldn’t listen any other way.
    Listening now, huh.
    The conversation CK wanted (though we’re not going Che/Casto, CK) is happening.
    Back to work, men.
    Or there will be no work.

  67. thisistheendifyouletit says:
    October 11, 2017 at 5:32 am
    Thank you Kaep…for all you’ve done for the….NFL? Social Equality? Hate Stomping the Flag? What did you really even make this mess for?

    ———–
    Because he got benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert

  68. Again, my brothers and sisters, the flag and the anthem and the troops have nothing to do with it. The act of protest is designed to call attention to the continuing racial oppression in the country — just as sit-ins at lunch counters in the south at the start of the civil rights movement were designed to do. The brave brothers and sisters who took their seats and refused to give them up were not interested in burgers, fries and shakes but in being respected and treated like human beings. CK and those who followed his example are not disrespecting anything but instead are using the power of the freedom of speech to create a conversation so that black and brown folk do not have to be fearful every time they get behind the wheel of a car, every time they are approached by a police officer. If we do not allow certain segments of the population to hijack the narrative, if we ignore obvious PR stunts, then we will all be closer to the day when no one has to kneel, sit or raise a fist. I for one am sad that Goodell and the front office of the NFL is caving to a minority view within the population.

  69. ridiculous. The Supreme Court has ruled you cannot force a child to stand for the pledge of allegiance, what makes them think they can force an adult to?

    They want to put an end to this controversy…..start a dialogue with the players, start making some efforts as a league to address some of the concerns of these players, which happen to also be the concerns of millions of Americans.

  70. SplusM says:

    October 11, 2017 at 12:13 am

    This is stupid. Our country was built under the promise, nay, guarantee of freedom of speech. Whether you hate or tolerate these protests, we have to concede the fact that these men are exercising those same inalienable rights that we all have. Furthermore, the American anthem is a symbol, & by extension “social construct.” Not everyone shares the same assumptions of what the anthem represents. Since values & culture largely shape how we interpret the world, who are we to judge those who protest it? Who are we to say that they are disrespectful or un-American? And I say this as an Iraqi war veteran, who spent most of 2003 & part of 2004 in Tikrit, Iraq. I’d like to believe that those who served before me & those who are serving now or will in the future, will continue to fight for those freedoms that we all enjoy. If not, what’s the point?
    ______________

    You fought for freedom of speech in the workplace? I missed that war I guess…

  71. For all the Trump lovers. What happens when he decides that what you are doing at your job isn’t to his political liking, so he pressures your boss to make a change? This goes far beyond standing for the anthem.

  72. It’s a shame they can’t get together and figure out how to make this work in a fashion that benefits everyone. Where employers, in most states, can decide who they want to fire or not utilize, an imposed solution is not a solution, it will just manifest itself in a different manner that will then create it’s own problems. D Smith, Goodell, figure this out and figure it out now because in the long run if the fans tire of this garbage from the NFL, everyone, and I mean everyone, is out of a ludicrous amount of money. Ridiculous amounts of money. The NFL is a 3 Billion, with a B, business. That means there are 3 billion and one reasons to fix this and the one more reason than the money is because history shows that those protesting are looked upon more favorably over time and this will end up being a huge embarrassment for the people running the show, D and Roger.

  73. There are many things I can’t do at work because it might upset customers, even though I have a constitutional right to do many of these things. The NFL is a for profit private enterprise, not a government institution. Ultimately, the owners of this for profit private enterprise can dictate a code of conduct that is to be followed by all it’s employees. Why is that so difficult to understand?

  74. “Signs point to NFL potentially telling players to stand”

    That’s what’s known in the real, non-propaganda World as an understatement. This is what Goodell wrote too the owners yesterday, which speaks for itself of what to expect going forward:

    “We live in a country that can feel very divided. Sports, and especially the NFL, brings people together and lets them set aside those divisions, at least for a few hours,” Goodell wrote. “The current dispute over the National Anthem is threatening to erode the unifying power of our game, and is now dividing us, and our players, from many fans across the country.”

    Goodell added: “Like many of our fans, we believe that everyone should stand for the National Anthem. It is an important moment in our game. We want to honor our flag and our country, and our fans expect that of us.”

  75. stellarperformance says:
    October 10, 2017 at 10:05 pm
    Stop playing the Star Spangled Banner. It should be played at military and sporting events. It’s military-centric. Play America the Beautiful instead.

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    They would just kneel for that song, too.

  76. I think it’s funny how half the posts have to do with people boycotting the NFL, and yet they are reading and posting on a site that is about and promotes the NFL. You people reek of Hypocrisy. And most of you were watching the NFL last week. ” “The ladies doth protest too much, methinks.”

  77. jdubkc says:
    October 11, 2017 at 9:35 am

    You fought for freedom of speech in the workplace? I missed that war I guess…
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    What are you arguing for? Are you arguing that the freedom of speech doesn’t apply to the workplace? If so, you’re not wrong, but you’re not entirely right. The current bargaining agreement makes it clear that NFL players “should” stand for the national anthem. The word “should” is a qualifier, meaning that it places a limit on that argument. By comparison, the word “must” is an absolute. So, the NFL is essentially saying that NFL “should stand for the national anthem [but they don’t have to].” This means the players have a contractual right to kneel in protest until a new collective bargaining agreement is made. Any challenge to that by the owners will likely be successfully challenged by the Players Union.

    The protests of the national anthem is not disrespectful to the US, nor to its veterans. What I find disrespectful is that many of you hide under the cover “workplace rules” to persecute players for their freedom speech. You don’t have to agree or support what they’re doing, but to call them un-American or unpatriotic is simply a slap in the face to the millions of Americans who have died during war to protect these rights.

  78. gergie1957 says:
    October 11, 2017 at 11:24 am
    I think it’s funny how half the posts have to do with people boycotting the NFL, and yet they are reading and posting on a site that is about and promotes the NFL. You people reek of Hypocrisy.

    So if someone boycotts the NFL they can never read about it or discuss it? You don’t understand how a boycott works.

  79. Players should be given the option to stay in the locker room during the National Anthem. Kneeling when everyone is asked to “please rise and remove your caps” is just flat out disrespectful and should not be tolerated. I would rather have them not be on the field, then to be on the field acting disrespectful.

  80. People that are talking about how they are boycotting the NFL because someone is kneeling is foolish to me. They are doing this for a good cause it’s not they are doing it because they hate America or they just want to piss people off. How is this affecting you life and what you are doing? Many of these players aren’t just kneeling but actually trying to make a difference in the community. Ex: Denvers LB Marshall meets with the Denver Police on the regular, donates his time and money to help his cause, and attends events to spread awareness and his message. We always claim that athletes need to be role models and the moment they start being real role models we bash them for it. They are bringing awareness to an issue happening to a lot of people in the black community. I am white and I can clearly see the issue and I am 100% fine with the way they are bringing awareness to everyone. If they started destroying a flag or start spreading a hateful message my beliefs on this will change.

    Go Broncos!

  81. SplusM says:

    October 11, 2017 at 11:29 am

    jdubkc says:
    October 11, 2017 at 9:35 am

    You fought for freedom of speech in the workplace? I missed that war I guess…
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    What are you arguing for? Are you arguing that the freedom of speech doesn’t apply to the workplace? If so, you’re not wrong, but you’re not entirely right.
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    Look man if I worked at Gates BBQ and every time someone ordered ribs I would kneel in protest because I am a FEMA person and am against cruelty to animals do you think I would have a job? do you think the customers would come back? Am I free to express my beliefs? Yes. Does the fact that you fought in the middle east prevent me from being fired? …. What am I fighting for? I just want my ribs and fries with no side of your whine.

  82. gergie1957 says:
    I think it’s funny how half the posts have to do with people boycotting the NFL, and yet they are reading and posting on a site that is about and promotes the NFL. You people reek of Hypocrisy. And most of you were watching the NFL last week. ” “The ladies doth protest too much, methinks.”

    I’m not sure if you understand how the internet works, but if I’m on Gab and someone links this article, I can click on it and come here, and comment even if I’ve never been before.

    I know, it’s like magic, right?

  83. > We will see just how much conviction the players have to their cause of protesting
    > coats them a game check.

    Or like Kap, their career.

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