Aaron Rodgers injury may usher in a radical rules change, and other Week 6 thoughts

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The hit that broke Aaron Rodgers‘ collarbone on Sunday wasn’t illegal. Maybe it should be.

Vikings outside linebacker Anthony Barr hit Rodgers just after Rodgers released a pass, and the two of them tumbled to the turf with Barr on top of Rodgers. That rather ordinary hit broke Rodgers’ collarbone and dramatically affected the entire NFL season, possibly knocking Rodgers out until 2018 and in the process ending realistic Super Bowl hopes for the Packers.

I think it may be time for a radical rule change, one that makes hits like Barr’s illegal. It may be time for the NFL to consider dramatically expand the roughing the passer rules, and treat quarterbacks like kickers and punters: Basically, you can’t hit them at all once they’ve thrown a pass.

I know, I know, you’re going to tell me I’m soft and weak and ruining the game of football, and that we might as well just play flag football if we’re going to do that. And I’m here to tell you I’ve heard it all before.

I heard the same thing when the NFL changed the roughing the passer rules to prohibit low hits on quarterbacks after Tom Brady suffered a season-ending knee injury in 2008: “How can defensive players possibly be expected to avoid those hits?” But defensive players adjusted, and it’s now unremarkable that those hits are penalized.

And I heard the same thing when the NFL implemented the horse-collar tackle rule: “How can any defensive player ever catch a runner from behind?” But defensive players adjusted, and now the horse-collar tackle rule has been adopted at every level of football and is completely noncontroversial.

I believe the same thing would happen if the NFL dramatically changed the roughing the passer rule. Yes, at first it would seem wrong to see defensive players penalized for putting a shoulder in a quarterback’s chest after he throws a pass. But defensive players would get used to it, coaches would get used to it, and fans would get used to it.

And it would make the game safer for the quarterbacks, the most important players on the field. Is it really a good thing for the NFL that Aaron Rodgers might miss the entire season? Are hits like Barr’s really so fundamental to football that we can’t outlaw them for the health of quarterbacks and the good of the sport? I don’t think so.

The NFL already protects quarterbacks far more than it did when I was growing up as a football fan in the 1980s. But the league can do more. Roughing the passer needs to be expanded.

Here are my other thoughts from Sunday:

Stop with the “system quarterback” stuff. As soon as Rodgers went down, the debate began about what the Packers should do: Should they just stick with backup Brett Hundley? Or should they sign a free agent? And of course the name of Colin Kaepernick came up, as it always does, followed by the debate about whether Kaepernick fits the Packers’ system.

Here’s the thing: The “system quarterback” stuff is B.S. Quarterbacks don’t need to fit a system. They need to be good football players. No quarterback on earth is capable of doing all the things Aaron Rodgers does in the Packers’ system, but there are talented quarterbacks who can come in and contribute, and their physical talents don’t have to match Rodgers’ talents perfectly. The Packers don’t need a quarterback who fits the system, they need a quarterback who’s a good football player.

Take a look at what Texans rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson has done. The system he ran at Clemson was nothing at all like the system Houston coach Bill O’Brien runs. But Watson came in at halftime of Week One and has played so well since then that he’s a legitimate MVP candidate. It’s not that Watson fits O’Brien’s system, it’s that Watson is a terrific talent and can succeed in any system. The idea of a system fit is the most overrated part of evaluating how a quarterback will do on a given team.

Lions seeing the problem with overpaying Matthew Stafford. In Sunday’s loss to the Saints, Stafford had a 48 percent completion rate and five turnovers. When I wrote after the game that I saw that performance as evidence that Stafford shouldn’t be the highest-paid player in the NFL, I heard back from a lot of people that the problem isn’t Stafford but the players around him. I don’t disagree with that, but it’s part of the point: When you’re devoting a huge amount of salary cap space to one player, as the Lions are with Stafford, you have less money to devote to bolstering the rest of your roster. I believe the Lions would be better in the long run if they had a deeper roster — even if that had meant not extending Stafford this year, and risking losing him in free agency next year.

I am astonished by Adrian Peterson. I’m not sure I’ve ever been more wrong about a player on a new team than I was about Peterson yesterday. I thought he was totally washed up, done, not going to contribute a thing in Arizona after the Cardinals got him in a trade with the Saints. Instead, Peterson had his first 100-yard rushing game since 2015 and the Cardinals blew out the Buccaneers. I don’t expect Peterson to play that way every week, but he certainly looked like a good addition to the Cards’ offense yesterday.

The Falcons choked, again. The stakes were obviously nowhere near as big, but I thought the Falcons’ meltdown yesterday against the Dolphins was an even more improbable loss than their Super Bowl fiasco. Atlanta had a 17-0 halftime lead over a Miami team that had looked like the worst offense in the NFL this season — 17 points should have been more than enough to win. And then the Falcons proceeded to allow that lousy Dolphins offense to march down the field on four long scoring drives in the second half, with Jay Cutler throwing two touchdown passes and Cody Parkey kicking two field goals, and the Falcons didn’t score another point. Miami won 20-17. That second-half performance by the Falcons was as ugly as it gets.

Alberto Riveron needs to explain himself. Riveron, the NFL’s new head of officiating, overturned a Jets touchdown late in their loss to the Patriots. I think it was a terrible decision, and I want to hear Riveron answer for it. I’ve already heard the referee’s explanation — he said the Jets’ Austin Seferian-Jenkins fumbled and didn’t regain control until he was out of bounds — but the referee doesn’t make the final decision. Riveron does. And I believe that decision was in error because the ruling on the field was a touchdown, and there’s no replay angle that indisputably shows Seferian-Jenkins didn’t have control of the ball before he went out of bounds. Riveron talked to Peter King about the ruling, but his explanation was less than convincing. And if you don’t take my word for it, believe Riveron’s two predecessors, Dean Blandino and Mike Pereira, both of whom said on FOX that they thought Riveron got it wrong. When a game as big as Jets-Patriots turns on a call like that, Riveron needs to speak up.

223 responses to “Aaron Rodgers injury may usher in a radical rules change, and other Week 6 thoughts

  1. QB’s are already overprotected. Period. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t break the pocket and scramble. Defensive players cannot just let up at an instant…and by the way, players like Rodgers, Big Ben, Alex smith, etc use this novel concept called a pump fake all the time. So what is a defensive player supposed to do? Let up because he might throw the ball? Or let up because the QB might give himself up out of bounds or slide…until he doesn’t and ends up getting a first down?

    It sucks rodgers got hurt. It’s also football.

  2. … MDS… maybe, if the QB is in the pocket, this can be considered for a ‘foul’, but you know it won’t stop the hits and the injuries. However, once the QB breaks either out or steps up in the pocket, he becomes fair game.

  3. zvikes says:
    October 16, 2017 at 5:43 am
    If Barr doesn’t hit Rodgers, he could have easily faked the pass and then ran forever. It would be too big an advantage for QBs.
    /////////////////////////////

    The ball was gone for 1-1000, 2-1000! He wanted to hurt him, tried to hurt him, and succeeded in hurting him, then barked about it. He’s a Viking alright.

  4. “QB’s are already overprotected…It sucks rodgers got hurt. It’s also football”.

    You’re missing the point. The NFL game is at it’s best when the very best players are…playing. Do you really want to watch the level of play without AR, Mariota, Carr? How about with Stafford limping around? Perhaps your lust for catastrophic injuries is temporarily satisfied by big QB hits, but afterwards you’re just watching bad football.

    Rules protecting QB’s aren’t sissifying the game. Rather, those rules help preserve the level of play intelligent fans want to see.

  5. No, no, and no. Just because the golden boy got hurt doesn’t mean it should be illegal. It’s football, people get hurt, even guys who get every call their way. If the NFL changes the rule over this, they might as well make it two hand touch or flag football. I know packers fans will cry, that’s what they do, but don’t change the rule because of one old man’s shoulder.

  6. Packer fan here. Completely clean hit on Aaron. It’s sickening that because one guy gets hurt you want to change the game. Stop it. There are 53 men on a roster for a reason. This is a team game not an individual sport. Stop forgetting that. Side note. Packers are done this year.

  7. Definitely a shame about Rodgers, but if you change that rule you’d have to make it illegal for QBs to do a pump fake, as “overly deceptive”. How can a defender with 600 lbs of linemen double-teaming him, in the heat of battle, tell the exact instant a QB releases the ball? Pipe dream.

  8. At one time, the solution was the quarterback “in the grasp” rule. By that rule, the play would be stopped once the defender had hold of the qb and there was no need to slam them to the ground. But that rule is no longer enforced. We see qb’s like Russell Wilson complete passes when they are in the grasp, falling to the ground, or even actually on the ground. There are a lot of rules that have been monkeyed with to make for more exciting extended plays by quarterbacks. Remember when intentional grounding was a rule that was enforced against top flight qb’s? Now if a qb moves six inches, he is out of the pocket and there is no calls made on the top qb’s. I think we need to get back to enforcing what is on the books before we put in too many new rules.
    Not sure you are ever going to be able to legislate against broken collarbones and separated shoulders for qb’s unless you go to flag football.

  9. I agree with the author of the article. One hit should not change the results of an entire division and league; which this injury does do. Injuries are part of football for sure, but if you watch the replay, the ball was gone for a couple seconds before Rogers was hit, that is too long and should have at least been called a late hit. The defender was not even touching him when the ball was released. Thats a late hit, if nothing else.

  10. Unless you plan on not allowing the qb to run past the line of scrimmage, the rule makes no sense. Rodgers can run the ball, and be was outside of the pocket. There was nothing illegal or dirty about the hit. Its just bad luck. You don’t rewrite the rule book because of bad luck.

    You want to change the rules? Figure out why that play in the jets game wasn’t a TD. If anything has to be reworked, its the replay system.

  11. Yet another knee jerk reaction. What’s next, no hitting at all because someone might get hurt?

    #pansyball

  12. Am I the only one that thinks Sefarian-Jenkins didn’t secure possession of the ball by the time he hit the pylon? The replay I saw, when he rolled over and made contact with the pylon, the ball wasn’t firmly tucked between his elbow and forearm as it came to be after he already hit the pylon and rolled through to the ground. I mean, I think they got it right.

    I’m a Browns fan too, so I’m not favoring either side. By the way, another week 6 thought: This Browns team is a worse team than 1999. It’s apparent no one in the organization knows what they are doing.

  13. I agree that QBs have to much protection now. Once they break the pocket they should be treated as any other runner. I have seen Cam Newton faked a slide, the defenders let up and he ran in for a TD. If they wanted to be treated as a QB then be a QB and don’t break the pocket. Once they are out they are fair game. Unfortunate if they get hurt, but that’s the chance they take.

  14. I’m with PFT here. If you look at replay that hit could easily have been avoided. These defenders take huge shots on teams’ most valuable assets and they pretend that they can’t help it and can’t let up. But that’s BS and we see these gratuitous hits constantly. Something needs to change. I enjoy watching Rodgers and Brady and want to see them at their best, not constantly hobbled by injuries suffered from unnecessary hits.

  15. .
    “Stop with the “system quarterback” stuff.”

    —–

    It’s a manufactured sports phrase that defies definition. Tom Brady is often tagged with that label. However, the Patriots playbook is based on the old NY Giants offense which traces it’s roots to Ray Perkins, Ron Erhardt and Charlie Weiss.
    It’s hardly a secret.
    .

  16. Oh Park Ave just likes it when Rodgers does his little twinkle toes dance in yo face after a scramble TD pass and has enough cache to do insurance commercials well Iam hear to say to get that he must risk injury it’s part of the process

  17. So you want a new NFL rule that says no hitting Rodgers? How about a rule that says quarterbacks MUST stay in the pocket, then we can go along with the no hitting rule otherwise all they have to do is pretend they are going to pass, pull it down and run. It’s football, it’s a contact sport.

  18. The NFL should be more concerned with horrendously bad calls like what happen too the Jets

  19. I want to watch Derek Carr without a broken back, Romo batttling without broken ribs, Rivers in the AFCCG without a freaking torn ACL. That would be good football.

  20. Man talk about an over regulated society creeping its ways into peoples thinking. That kind of rule would change the game forever.The whole idea of defenses is to get to the QB and hit him hard but within legal boundry’s. Having a talented tough QB is hard to find and why they make so much money. Besides how many games have Rodgers, Brady, Rivers, Manning, Brees, and others missed in the carers? Not many so please no more brilliant ideas, stuff happens.

  21. You shouldn’t be able to hit WRs too hard either so that we don’t lose players like OBJ for the year or RBs to protect the David Johnson’s of the NFL.

  22. If the bottom 20 QBs got injured exactly like Rodgers did, this article would not have been written. That’s why your argument is bad.

  23. A rule change like this would make a read/option qb unbeatable. A qb could NEVER be hit until after he crossed the line of scrimmage, period. Even then, all he would have to do is throw an illegal forward pass to avoid a hit, creating, at worst, offsetting penalties.
    This almost sounds like an article to advocate a rule change to enable Kaepernick to get a job.

  24. If they can’t be hit they should not be allowed to run. I am a Rogers fan but once they leave the pocket it’s fair game.
    Treat them like kickers if you want but only in the pocket.

  25. What’s next? Two-hand touch or flag football? I’ve seen QBs get taken down just like the hit on Rodgers and they hop right up and go on to the next play. Sometimes you just land awkward and get injured, nothing more.

  26. Expanding the QB protection rules and criticizing Stafford’s contract seem contradictory to me. You want to give QBs even greater protection because they are so important which is why QBs who just got new contracts will be among the highest paid.

    I must say that I am open to some new QB protection rules. Lets not get too extreme though. Maybe there is some sort of gear that could be developed too. All I know is that bad QB play is unwatchable…. unless my favorite team’s defense is playing against them.

  27. I see, NOW you want a rules change. Brady has been getting planked all year well after the ball is gone. BTW the hit on Brady’s knee did not change the rule, it was a hit on Carson Palmer.

    As far as ugly 2nd halfs for Atlanta go, this wan’t their ugliest. 25-3 comes to mind. Sort of a pattern forming.

  28. Injuries are a part of every active sport at every level. You cannot legislate injuries out of sport without legislating out what makes them interesting and competitive. If you don’t want to see injuries, watch chess.

  29. I’m a Packers fan and there’s one thing I know. Since the cave man days, defenses have tried to knock QB’s out of the games — especially the great ones. There’s no better way to even up the odds for your team than knock a great QB out of the game. Deacon Jones used to say he hated all QB’s and wanted to take their heads off — even the ones on his own team in practice.
    If anyone thinks that Anthony Barr and the Vikings weren’t thrilled to see Rodgers heading i into the locker room on a cart after that hit — well, I have a bridge to sell you. I would bet the ranch that he got a lot of pats on his back at halftime in the locker room.
    So — if your idea was in pl;ace yesterday, there would have been a penalty. But if you think Barr still wouldn’t have taken that shot on Rodgers, I say you’re wrong. It’s worth a 15 yard penalty to get the QB out of the game.
    One thing I found very interesting. Right after that hit, Troy Aikman voiced that he though there should have been a flag thrown. But them they asked Mike Pereira his opinion and he explained that he thought it was not an illegal hit. Immediately and without any hint that he was doing so, Aikman agreed with Pereira that the hit was totally legal and should not have been flagged. That’s typical of Aikman and many of these analysts who comment on the games. If Aikman thought it should have been flagged, then he needed to say so when Pereira gave his opinion and stuck to his guns. But he weaseled out of it and agreed with Pereira and sounded like that was the way he saw it all the way.
    C’mon, Aikman. Show us some guts.
    I thought it was legal too, but there is no doubt that Barr tried to put his full weight on Rodgers as they hit the ground. And it worked. Rodgers has a broken collar bone and is out for the year. He has reduced the Packers chances of winning the NFC North drastically, so in my opinion, Anthony Barr should get some votes for MVP of the National Football League.

  30. I still don’t understand why people say the only options for the Lions were to make him the highest paid player or let him walk?

    What they should have done was trade him before the draft for a boatload of picks and focus on building an actual football team, instead of one that continues to rely on the performance of a single player every week.

  31. Michael David Smith, Good nfl updates and thoughts on Rodgers hit: My thought is this: it WAS already an illegal hit called ‘unnecessary roughness’ and should have been flagged, because Barr was in position to easily see Rodgers had released the ball giving him time to pull up and simply push Rodgers. Then, on the way down he had time to avoid intentionally putting the full brunt of his weight on Rodgers as he hit the turf. The most bothersome of all to me was the lack of outrage by anyone but Rodgers as he sent some choice words Barr’s way. Mostly the gall for Aikman and others to suggest it was a ‘good non-call’. I can a rule change begin based on a non-call. I turned off the sound on my TV after that. I’m done with Aikman.

  32. Some people think above average quarterbacks are easy to find.

    I have no problem with Barr hitting Rodgers at the point he did. Barr did intentionally land with his full weight on Rodgers. There is hitting the quarterback, then there is hitting the quarterback with intent to cause pain or injury. Barr hit with intent.

  33. I don’t wish any player to getting hurt, but Rodgers getting hurt is good for football. Why? Because of parity. Sometimes key players get hurt on clean hits. This then provides parity within a division for the short term and at the same time should make the Packers stronger long term. Their weaknesses are fully expose and management will need to address them or get canned. No way this team was going to make the Superbowl with that defense.

  34. Sucks Rodgers got injured but that is football. Defensive players can’t stop on a dime. Also as others have said what about pump fakes? Will they outlaw those too?

  35. OVERREACTION – Sorry Rodgers got hurt but it still is Tackle football and Rodgers has broken the pocket to run before so you’re giving the offense another advantage if you add more rules to protect the QB’s. Which are NOT applied equally across the league. Watch how many times Cam or Ben take cheap shots after the play where those draw flags if it’s Brady.

  36. What else could Quinn do in 2 years? The problem isn’t Staffords contract, the problem is the previous GM that couldn’t draft. Last year Quinn went out and got the top WR on the market (yes the market was poor in free agent WRs, but that didn’t stop Quinn from signing Marvin Jones). This year he got the top RT and an all pro guard. So the problem is a lack of depth which you get through the draft. I’d wait longer than 6 games to say Staffords contract is hurting the team

  37. Ridicolous. I know you guys have this massive crush on Aaron Rodgers but you are ruining the game of football with all these protections. No one wants to see a player get hurt but you can’t over regulate…it happens. Whats next? You can’t allow a RB to cut anymore because he could tear his ACL? Oh wait…RBs aren’t important? Dime a dozen? Please. Get over yourself and your Rodgers love. The game is bigger then Aaron Rodgers.

  38. I would agree with the rule change for the same reasons. I can’t stand Tom Brady and I have watched their games hoping that he would throw interceptions and make game changing fumbles but never wanting him to get hurt or suffer career ending injury on a legal or illegal hit. It was not the same with him out. And even with Matt Cassell playing well, I didn’t watch another Pats game. The same with Aaron Rogers, it won’t be the same. There are how many elite quarterbacks in the NFL? Quarterbacks, elite quarterbacks cause other fans to watch them because they are seeing an elite player. Brett Farve was another one, he went big or he went home. I loved watching him play. I think the NFL has lost many quarterbacks who may have achieved that status but did not because of injury. Tony Romeo being one of them.

  39. Someone needs to look up when low hits on QBs were outlawed because it was not after Brady got hurt. After Brady they just added to the existing (Carson Palmer) rule that a defender couldnt lunge from the ground at the QB low.

    Rule: A defender on the ground, who hasn’t been pushed into the quarterback, can’t lunge at a quarterback’s legs at the knee or lower. This strengthened an existing rule.

    I have yet to see that specific penalty ever called.

    I am not 1 that always complains about the NFL becoming flag football because I see my team’s QB take plenty of beatings with no flags (contrary to common beliefs) but If they outlaw that hit on Rodgers I’m done. He was outside the pocket and is 1 of the best running QBs in the game. What the heck was the defender supposed to do according to the guy calling to outlaw the hit?

  40. Pump fake would slow pursuit of the QB, plus hitting the QB is a Hugh part of “making a QB uncomfortable”.
    System QB is a thing, if you have a QB thats a one read and run, he will not fit in a pocket passer system. Now you could argue that that QB is not “good”. Deshawn showed he could do more in college, and he has progressed even more in the NFL.

  41. To all the starting Quarterbacks in the leauge; if you are the major focus of your offense (which you are): throw the ball away. Why take chances like that? There is no need, especially in week 6 of the regular season. Use the protection that is granted to you. Take a knee, slide or fall down or throw the ball away. I saw Jared Goff run 10 yards east and get tackled out of bounds. The same way Sam Bradford tore his ACL in 3013. Throw the ball away and plan the next play.

  42. If the QB who got hurt was Keenum, Hogan, Hoyer, Goff, etc…. you would never even entertain this “Aaron Rodger’s” rule number 3.

    FYI…..
    Aaron Rodger’s rule#1: Throw as many flags as possible to help him.
    Aaron Rodger’s rule#2: Keep giving him as many tries as possible until he completes a hail mary.

    By the way, the refs messed up on rule#1 this week.

  43. Barr drove Rodgers to the turf and rolled him and he could have easily not done that…. end of story

    and now the entire NFL is different for the year, which is just wrong

  44. Just how would any of these Q-backs make out without receivers or an O-line ? Not well at all. What is needed is a group of world famous experts that will make the NFL great again. May we suggest, chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, and to lead, maxine waters. What could possibly go wrong ?

  45. It seems like Cam Newton has taken hits worse than this for years, but mostly overlooked because he is bigger and stronger than Aaron Rodgers. Either let them play or wrap them in bubble wrap,just be consistent.

  46. This is so ridiculous. The hit by Barr was legal….PERIOD! Yea it sucks for Packer fans that they lost Rodgers, but it’s football. Get over it. Other teams like the Vikings have lost way more players to injury in the past few years. You don’t hear the NFL changing rules over them. So why should it be any different for Rodgers. As a Vikings fan I am very sorry for the lost to Packer fans. I really am. It is not at satisfying watching the purple beat the Pack without their best players, but to call that a cheap hit, or to change the rules more is pathetic.

  47. Welp – it wasn’t a dream. The Packers season is over and it’s only mid October. Now I know what it’s like to be a Vikings fan and it doesn’t feel good. Sadly – the Browns are probably circling the GB game as they have a chance to finally get a W. I usually don’t notice Winter unless the Packers season is over which is usually January. It’s going to be a long, cold Winter in Wisconsin.

  48. The “system quarterback” stuff is B.S.

    —-
    Nah not really.

    It’s the real reason why Kap is no longer in the game, not the other stuff.

    Also see Tebow, Tim. Good in one system, lousy otherwise.

  49. I’m a Packer fan, and I think there’s no need for a new rule.
    I guess I’d fit into your pre-supposed, “might as well just play flag football” camp. It is a violent game. Don’t wanna get hurt, don’t (take the millions and) play.

  50. You can’t make the comparison to kickers and punters, as the object for the defender here is to block the ball, not tackle the kicker.

    If you imply the same for QB’s then the QB can simply pump fake the defender all day, since the defender would have to stop and lose a step for every pump fake.

    Injuries suck, period, but as a Cowboys fan (and hence a witness to Tony Romo’s many injuries!) I’ve learned to accept them as part of the game.

    Somethings you can plan your way out of, but some injuries are going to happen as part of the game and there’s nothing you can do, unless you want to challenge the essence of how the game is played.

  51. I remember back in the ’94-’95 Divisional round, Kordell Stewart was headed towards the sidelines and Ted Johnson was about to level him, but let up(per the rules) to let him run out of bounds.

    Kordell saw this and tiptoed past him down the sidelines and scored the game’s only TD and the Pats lost 7-6.

    Don’t change any more rules, please.

  52. Also disagree about the rule change. QBs are protected enough and you have to let defenses play defense. I’m not interested in watching the game turn into 84-77 score games every week.

  53. This is dumb. Clean hit, the only reason it’s a discussion is because Rodgers got hurt. If he didn’t get hurt (or if it was Bortles instead of Rodgers), we wouldn’t be having the conversation. How about this: if you don’t want to take extra hits, stay in the pocket. Problem solved.

  54. LyinRogerMustGo says:
    October 16, 2017 at 7:44 am

    The “system quarterback” stuff is B.S.

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    Nah not really.

    It’s the real reason why Kap is no longer in the game, not the other stuff.

    Also see Tebow, Tim. Good in one system, lousy otherwise.
    ——————————————————————
    ALL QBs in a sense are “system” QBs. They learn the team’s system, and they go from there. Tebow is NOT a good QB, system or no system.

  55. If this was any other QB, MDS, you wouldn’t be saying anything. The entire NFL treats Rodgers & the Packers like they’re somehow above everyone else & deserve special consideration from all, including the refs. Football is a violent game, players get hurt, Rodgers fell wrong.

    End of argument.

  56. Eli gets hit harder every week for how many years yet he gets up and throws another pass
    What makes Rodgers so special

  57. I wonder if the author would be making this proposal if it had happened to Kevin Hogan or Brian Hoyer instead of Aaron Rodgers? An overreaction because it happened to a top tier QB on a contending team. Leave the rule as is. Pity this happened but no reason to make yet another very subjective call.

  58. Smart move by Zimmer taking Barr out due to “concussion.” Packers would have killed him had they left him in the game.

  59. And if Rodgers didn’t get hurt, guess what, no questions about the hit. How many times has he been hit like that already this year and nothing??? Freak accident, if he hadn’t tried to break his fall he would have landed differently and maybe no injury. No Packer players from the bench went crazy calling for a flag from the video I saw. Maybe after the seeing the video he realizes what a baby he was for yelling at Barr and that’s why he failed to come to the sideline to support the TEAM the rest of the game?? If I’m Hundley and those receivers I would be a little put off by that. There is no “team” in “Rodgers”……

  60. change the roughing the QB rule right after you ban quarterbacks from fake pumping….9 out of 10 times Rogers fakes that throw and makes the defender look like a fool….he wasn’t even in the pocket!!! why not cut to the chase NOW and make it flag football. Even then the Quarterbacks flags will be slightly shorter anyways!!

  61. There was nothing wrong with Barr’s hit. It was almost simultaneous when Rodgers passed and Barr hit him. Don’t see how Barr would’ve stopped from getting to him. You probably would be talking how Barr was too soft if let up on getting to Rodgers, these players just can’t win. Dumb.

  62. I thought the Barr hit was already a foul. I’ve seen plenty hits like that flagged in the past when a defender does not let up after the ball has already been thrown, but drives the QB to the ground with his full weight. Again, just shows how confusing the rule book has become and how inconsistently the game is officiated.

  63. If they make it illegal to hit the QB outside of the pocket after a pass, then they also have to make pump fakes outside of the pocket illegal. Otherwise you just have to pump fake to get defenders to let up and get more yards.

  64. So Romo breaks his collarbone but no rule change, but, Rodgers does and now we want to change the whole game? Got it…makes sense.

  65. randomguy9999 says:
    October 16, 2017 at 7:40 am
    Barr drove Rodgers to the turf and rolled him and he could have easily not done that…. end of story

    and now the entire NFL is different for the year, which is just wrong——————————————————————————————————————–Let take a wild guess….you have never played at any level .

  66. Since when is a bobble or losing control a fumble? That’s just over officiating.
    How can you have a pick play on the Guy they are throwing the ball to.
    Since when do you have to wait for officials to get in position, maybe they should hustle and get in better shape.
    Those ar just a few from the little I watched. None involved m6 favorite team.

  67. This is ridiculous. I didn’t see a call for rule change when Romo broke his collarbone twice! I’m sure there are plenty of other QB’s that have broken there collarbones. To call for a rule change because the beloved Aaron Rodgers got hurt is transparent. If it was Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer, or any other tier 2 or 3 QB you wouldn’t have said a peep. If a QB wants to be a hero and throw a TD just as he’s getting hit then he assumes the risk of getting injured.

  68. Watch a Seahawks game and see how many time Russell Wilson gets hit late after he throws the ball or slides and gives himself up. No one wants to change any rules for him. It’s tackle football for crying out loud. Suck it up Nancy!

  69. Al Riveron played a crucial role in the deflategate set up of the Patriots in the AFCCG a few years ago. Without his stupidity, it may never have materialized as anything. No one expected him to “explain himself” then, but all of a sudden he makes a call that benefits the Pats and he is a Patriots loving moron that needs to justify his actions…

    Get real people. We can discuss the play all we want. But there are a few things that were conclusive. He conclusively lost control of the football. There is no question about that. The only question is about when he regains control. Riveron concluded that he regained control, with an assist from the pylon/ground. Problem is, that means he was out of bounds when he regained control. The rule was applied correctly. My wife knows almost nothing about football, and her first comment was “it looked like he fumbled the ball” before the ref even went into the review. Apparently the “I hate the Patriots glasses” make people see things very differently. You all know that if it was the other way around, and it was Gronk that was involved in the play in question, no one would be questioning the call, and no one would expect Riveron to explain himself.

  70. Don’t need more rules. There’s already a rule in place for this which says you can’t drive qb to the ground. It’s a judgment call as to whether Barr did that. I say hitting Rodgers was fine but he could have held off as opposed to drink g him down.

  71. I dont think the hit was late or “dirty”, but at the same time its clear from watching the video that Barr didnt have to completely throw his entire body weight on Rodgers either. Most of the time in that situation, defenders give the QB a little push or shove where it puts them on the ground but dont follow through with a complete tackle.

    I will say this though, Ive seen a lot less get flagged for roughing in this league.

    A lot of this injury stuff going on in the league right now is one of two things:

    1) Muscle and soft tissue injuries related to the bodies of these players simply not being ready for football. These guys hardly practice anymore. After training camp, the pads are put on at most once per week in the NFL on the practice field. And now training camps are a sliver of what they were years ago, where two-a-days and extensive conditioning got these guys ready to play a long season of football. Now, none of that is allowed in the CBA because of players whining about being overworked. Well…they reap what they sow. If you dont train for what you are doing, there’s no way your body is NOT going to get injured. You can do all of the running, lifting, and training you want on your own…there is no substitute for putting pads on and practicing. This is a violent game played in pads, not a game played in t-shirts and shorts.

    2) Because of these diminished practices, players technique has suffered. Thus, leading to more injuries. Why are more guys getting concussed? Because nobody in the NFL knows how to tackle. In the NFL, the tackle is now just putting your head down and throwing yourself into a defender.

    The product on the field is suffering because these guys are getting lazy with technique. Which is a shame because athletically these guys are too gifted to look like crap every week. And they’re too gifted to be getting hurt every week, but none of them want to practice.

  72. I don’t mind a little contact after the throw. What Barr did was different. He drove Rodgers to the ground unnecessarily. Dirty play and now one of the greatest players in the game is gone for the year.

    This just solidifies my disdain for the Vikings even more.

  73. The QB is already over protected. I get how important they are to the game…but honestly every position is important. Look at the Panthers, they lose Luke Kuechly and all of a sudden their d gets super leaky.

    If you want to change the rules, to be that….then QBs shouldnt be allowed to leave the pocket, and once they are touched they should be down. Otherwise wayyyy to many 15 yard late hit penalties will happen with your purposed rule changes.

  74. guypatsfan says:
    October 16, 2017 at 8:03 am
    Tebow is NOT a good QB, system or no system.

    ———-

    And yet he has more postseasaon wins than Derek Carr, Marcus Mariotta, Dak Prescott…. You get the idea

  75. Maybe the QBs should be a little smarter about leaving the pocket when you have big fast freakish athletes like Barr running around. If they are the most important players on the team they have personal responsibility to try to protect themselves.

  76. nyneal says:
    October 16, 2017 at 7:18 am
    I’m a Packers fan and there’s one thing I know. Since the cave man days, defenses have tried to knock QB’s out of the games — especially the great ones. There’s no better way to even up the odds for your team than knock a great QB out of the game. Deacon Jones used to say he hated all QB’s and wanted to take their heads off — even the ones on his own team in practice.
    If anyone thinks that Anthony Barr and the Vikings weren’t thrilled to see Rodgers heading i into the locker room on a cart after that hit — well, I have a bridge to sell you. I would bet the ranch that he got a lot of pats on his back at halftime in the locker room.
    So — if your idea was in pl;ace yesterday, there would have been a penalty. But if you think Barr still wouldn’t have taken that shot on Rodgers, I say you’re wrong. It’s worth a 15 yard penalty to get the QB out of the game.
    One thing I found very interesting. Right after that hit, Troy Aikman voiced that he though there should have been a flag thrown. But them they asked Mike Pereira his opinion and he explained that he thought it was not an illegal hit. Immediately and without any hint that he was doing so, Aikman agreed with Pereira that the hit was totally legal and should not have been flagged. That’s typical of Aikman and many of these analysts who comment on the games. If Aikman thought it should have been flagged, then he needed to say so when Pereira gave his opinion and stuck to his guns. But he weaseled out of it and agreed with Pereira and sounded like that was the way he saw it all the way.
    C’mon, Aikman. Show us some guts.
    I thought it was legal too, but there is no doubt that Barr tried to put his full weight on Rodgers as they hit the ground. And it worked. Rodgers has a broken collar bone and is out for the year. He has reduced the Packers chances of winning the NFC North drastically, so in my opinion, Anthony Barr should get some votes for MVP of the National Football League.

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    Boo Hoo

  77. chriswirthblog says:
    October 16, 2017 at 7:20 am
    Michael David Smith, Good nfl updates and thoughts on Rodgers hit: My thought is this: it WAS already an illegal hit called ‘unnecessary roughness’ and should have been flagged, because Barr was in position to easily see Rodgers had released the ball giving him time to pull up and simply push Rodgers. Then, on the way down he had time to avoid intentionally putting the full brunt of his weight on Rodgers as he hit the turf. The most bothersome of all to me was the lack of outrage by anyone but Rodgers as he sent some choice words Barr’s way. Mostly the gall for Aikman and others to suggest it was a ‘good non-call’. I can a rule change begin based on a non-call. I turned off the sound on my TV after that. I’m done with Aikman.

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    Boo Hoo

  78. randomguy9999 says:
    October 16, 2017 at 7:40 am
    Barr drove Rodgers to the turf and rolled him and he could have easily not done that…. end of story

    and now the entire NFL is different for the year, which is just wrong

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    Sniff Sniff, tissue please.

  79. I laugh when I read comments stating if it were a lesser QB than Aaron Rodgers, then we wouldn’t be hearing this. Well — duh — of course it has everything to do with who the player is. This league is driven by the players who are considered the superstars and anytime a marquee player goes down, it hurts the league.
    And — remember this, too — it’s players like Aaron Rodgers who are responsible for all the money guys like Blake Bortles and other average QB’s make. They drive the price for QB’s way up and it filters down to the other QB’s, even the bad ones and back ups.
    Packers haters love the fact that Rodgers got hurt and is out for the season. Heck, I freely admit that I love seeing superstars on other teams having to be put on IR, too. Anything which increases the chances of the Packers winning is fine by me. Any fan of any team who says they don’t feel the same way is a liar. I don’t want to see any player hurt so badly that his career is in jeopardy, but having them hurt enough to be put on IR is never going to upset me. So I don’t blame Vikings fans for loving this.
    And now people are writing the Packers off, and it’s totally understandable. But the Packers are playing with house money now, and it’s always easier to play the spoiler role than be one of the favorites. Don’t be surprised if the Packers beat a couple of teams they shouldn’t beat and put a huge dent in their playoff chances.

  80. Bruce Arians once said that when a player gets injured, the player that caused it should be suspended for the same amount of time the injured player misses. Is it time to consider such a rule?

  81. Just to point out, the so-called Brady Rule is actually the Carson Palmer rule and was added when Carson got his knee blown out in the 2006 playoffs.

    Otherwise, I disagree with the need to further restrictions on the QB. Yes, it is a business and Rodgers is a major player, but there would be no talk of such restrictions if this happened to a Blake Bortles.

  82. Good grief. It is not about the battering other QB’s have previously taken, it is about keeping the best players (regardless of team) playing in the future. It is not about how QB’s may pump fake more effectively, it is about helping make sure the game continues to be played at a high level.

    The best players shouldn’t be sacrificed on the altar of “injuries are a part of the game”.

  83. Green Bay- no one is crying for you… this article wasn’t written when mine was broken 3 times! -Tony Romo’s Collarbone

  84. They shouldn’t be able to hit QBs after the ball is released especially if the defensive player sees the ball released!

  85. Good Lord. There was nothing wrong with that hit. Barr did what he should do every time he is presented with that same situation. Rodgers could easily have brought the ball back down and continued to try to run and Barr would have pulled up and watched him run away.

    It’s football. Big guys tackling big guys will lead to injuries no matter what you try. Injuried happen in flag football.

    I’m a Packers fan and I have no issue with that tackle. It was just an unfortunate result for Rodgers (who we have to assume has weak collar bones at this point).

  86. yankeemofo says:
    October 16, 2017 at 7:57 am
    I remember back in the ’94-’95 Divisional round, Kordell Stewart was headed towards the sidelines and Ted Johnson was about to level him, but let up(per the rules) to let him run out of bounds.

    Kordell saw this and tiptoed past him down the sidelines and scored the game’s only TD and the Pats lost 7-6.

    Don’t change any more rules, please.

    Thought that was Todd Collins in Jan 1998?

  87. bigemiramar says:
    October 16, 2017 at 7:32 am
    Wasn’t it the “Carson Palmer” rule that started in 2006 after the 2005 low hit on Palmer?
    _____________________________________________

    Yes it was but there aren’t a legion of Carson Palmer haters out there that have spent the last 10 years spouting lies and blaming him for everything from soft football to why they can’t get dates. “When the legend becomes fact… print the legend”

  88. After throwing the football, the quarterback is basically a defenseless receiver. He’s in no position to protect himself. I don’t like the wussification of our country or of football, but MDS has a point here.

    The problem is, there are some times when it is so close that you, as a defender, cannot stop your momentum, and that is almost impossible to police.

  89. cowboy19 says:
    October 16, 2017 at 9:01 am
    Green Bay- no one is crying for you… this article wasn’t written when mine was broken 3 times! -Tony Romo’s Collarbone

    —————–

    No one asked you to cry for GB. Sucks Rodgers got injured but as a Packer fan, that was a good hit and legal. Our D would do the same to any other QB if they had the opportunity. That’s the name of the game, gotta shake them up to throw them off tempo.

  90. The NFL needs to avoid knee-jerk changes to its rules based on its pet quarterbacks getting broken in the course of the game. There’s already discretion for the referees to cause a roughing penalty if the quarterback is driven into the ground. Why not just put red shirts on them and not allow them to be hit at all. Part of the calculus of being a quarterback is how long to hold the ball versus the hit that you are going to take when you release it.

    The only way to prevent that injury is to make it illegal defenders to tackle the quarterback. Every hit where the quarterback’s first impact with the ground is the shoulder risks a collarbone break. As any cyclists knows, the ground vs. your shoulder has one high risk casualt.

  91. Hits are part of the game. Rodgers is a wuss yelling at a legal hit. Let’s change to the FLF Flag Football League while we’re at it.

  92. I don’t want to change any rules, but I sure hope the NFL hands down a big fine. Ball was out and Barr didn’t just hit Rodgers, he tackled him and landed with his full weight on him. He intentionally drove him into the ground. It wasn’t illegal but it was cheap. Just like that team and their fans. Injuring AR isnt going to erase 5 decades of futility.

  93. Wasn’t the hit on Carson Palmer. Bernard Pollard’s low hit on Tom Brady in 2008 is what started the rule on hitting quarterbacks low. As for this new rule change; do you want the ratings to tank even further?

  94. Sorry but it is too late in the season for Kaep to be signed. And if he were he would be horrible unless he was in a system he was already familiar with. He has not had the preseason, etc to learn the plays and you can’t change the plays just for him and expect everyone else to relearn the new system. He would end up playing horrible and everyone would say it supports their claim that he sucks as a QB (which I would agree with unless he is in a 1-read-option system). He is just not a good pocket passer, and it doesn’t fit his skill set. Cutler was able to do it because he was going into a familiar system, and some would say he has had limited success. Oh and Kaep would be with the Ravens if his girlfriend hadn’t got on social media and ran her mouth. Can’t wait for that to come out in his lawsuit.

  95. Doesn’t matter, Rodgers is still out for the season and it’s only a 15 yard penalty. Vikings will take that trade all day.

  96. Im a Vikings fan and I think it BLOWS that Rodger went down. It even takes a little from the win IMO. However, MDS, you cant go with this plan of yours. The game of football is already an unbalanced one for the offense (see Saints vs. Lions). If you cant make that type of contact on a QB games will devolve into scoring explosions.

    I mean, if you did make a changes it would have to VERY situational and the rule would have to be written much more specifically than many current NFL rules. And I think you would have to expand the “intentional grounding” rule as well to prevent QB’s from just flicking the ball away to draw the penalty. But I still dont think it’s a good idea.

    I am interested if we will get a updated take from Rodgers. One when he’s not as angry as he was just after the hit. I wonder if after reflecting on it he would say it was ok. Maybe not. Maybe we’ll never know…

  97. The real issue is teams are not able to develop a backup qb. Practice time/time with the coaches is so limited by the CBA. Because of that the vast majority of the time in practice is devoted to the starter. The NFL and NFLPA need to figure out how help teams develop real back qb’s…….not clip board holders.

  98. boltschick says:
    October 16, 2017 at 6:53 am

    I want to watch Derek Carr without a broken back, Romo batttling without broken ribs, Rivers in the AFCCG without a freaking torn ACL. That would be good football.

    *****
    No, that would be FLAG football.

  99. The mistake is continually moving to a more and more QB driven league. There’s no reason to do it. It’s more fun when teams can compete many different ways.

    There’s no reason to change the rules again. QBs have to be football players.

  100. I can only imagine how Rodgers would use a rule change like this to his advantage. Running on every play constantly pump faking.

  101. shiftyshellshocked says:
    October 16, 2017 at 9:27 am
    Doesn’t matter, Rodgers is still out for the season and it’s only a 15 yard penalty. Vikings will take that trade all day.

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    I don’t think so actually… No team wants to take star players out for the season. It’s bad for league revenues. That was flukey. The ground cause the damage, not the hit.

  102. For Pete’s sake! I would say, as a Cowboys fan, why dont you ask Aikman or Romo about this? Romo’s hits that cost him games, season, careers, were almost ALL after they got rid of the ball. Boo hoo. He got hurt, yes, the guy landed on top of him. Go watch the Giants game where Romo got his collarbone broken if you want to see a guy throw his full weight on top of someone, a much, much bigger guy. I dont seem to recall the outrage over that one? hmmmmm

  103. I thought the hit on Rodgers was late. It looked like Barr had time to see the ball was gone and not land on him. Also, I do not like Rodgers.

  104. berniesmullet says:
    October 16, 2017 at 6:42 am
    Am I the only one that thinks Sefarian-Jenkins didn’t secure possession of the ball by the time he hit the pylon? The replay I saw, when he rolled over and made contact with the pylon, the ball wasn’t firmly tucked between his elbow and forearm as it came to be after he already hit the pylon and rolled through to the ground. I mean, I think they got it right.
    I’m a Browns fan too, so I’m not favoring either side. By the way, another week 6 thought: This Browns team is a worse team than 1999. It’s apparent no one in the organization knows what they are doing.

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    The call was correct… I just think the sidelines in the endzone need to be treated more like a normal sideline. Just change it so only the back of the endzone has that rule. Then the Jets would have got the ball back on the 1 or something like that, which would make more sense. I’ve see that a few times. In the 2005 playoffs, Ben Watson chased down Champ Baily on a long interception return. He knocked the ball out of his hands just before the endzone and based on the camera angle at the time you couldn’t tell if the ball went out of bounds in front of the pylon or behind it. It was ruled that it went out the sideline before the pylon and replay couldn’t overturn it. However, it was the difference between the Patriots maybe winning and losing, as the Patriots could have got the ball back if it was ruled a touchback. Over an inch of sideline? The rule doesn’t make sense.

  105. thermy1 says:
    October 16, 2017 at 9:18 am
    Hits are part of the game. Rodgers is a wuss yelling at a legal hit. Let’s change to the FLF Flag Football League while we’re at it.

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    It was a bit late… That’s all. But it was a tame hit. It was nothing. The ground caused the injury, not the hit.

  106. I see packer fans saying he drove him to the ground. I guess they don’t see that there players do the same thing. Wasn’t it last year when Mathews led with the crown of his helmet and broke the Bears QB’s wrist?

  107. Well, with Rogers out, the bottom line of profits for the NFL machine being most important to the league will be a little soft this year.

  108. “Bruce Arians once said that when a player gets injured, the player that caused it should be suspended for the same amount of time the injured player misses. Is it time to consider such a rule?”
    __________

    No. And the first hint to the answer was “Bruce Arians once said”.

  109. For fans that watch Clay Matthews every week, I am surprised at the comments about being late or driving the QB into the ground. The only time Matthews plays hard is when the QB is in his sights, and then he plays well past the whistle and arguably outside the rules. Ask Brian Hoyer how the crown of Matthews’ helmet feels. Ask Bradford the same, after having to go to the locker room temporarily in the 2016 contest in Minny.

    That was a clean hit, and Barr is is a much better sportsman and competitor than Matthews.

  110. The name of the game is depth. If you don’t have it you lose. That’s football. That’s team athletics. Protecting one player more than another contradicts the meaning of a team. On the other hand, it sucks that players, including important players, get hurt, because more importantly THEY ARE PEOPLE MORE THAN PLAYERS. But again, football isn’t tennis. In football you’re allowed to have a depth chart – in tennis you’re not. If QBs don’t like the structure of the game then they should play tennis or stop demanding ridiculous stacks of cash that force teams to bid on them. Additionally, teams should stop bidding ridiculous stacks of cash so they can have more quality depth, instead of whining about wanting tennis rules.

  111. “treat quarterbacks like kickers and punters: Basically, you can’t hit them at all once they’ve thrown a pass”

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    A Chicago player thrust himself into a Ravens punt returner’s knees yesterday after he called for a fair catch. No penalty.

  112. Rodgers is the most complete QB in the league. I’ve seen him wiggle out of tackles or take being shoved hard, only to regain his balance and either run for a first down or make an extraordinary off balance pass. He does it every freaking week. As much as it pains me to say it, the guy is amazing. Barr’s TACKLE was textbook. He used his momentum and weight to bring a dangerous runner and thrower to the ground. If Barr hit Montgomery that way, he’d be congratulated for making a great tackle for a loss. The second Rodgers left the pocket, he became a running threat. If this was any other player, this would be a non-issue. Sucks that Rodgers got hurt. But that’s Football. Don’t change the rules!

  113. while I do believe you are going in the right direction, I think you have gone further than needed. Perhaps an appropriate compromise is not to change the timing of when contact is allowed with the qb but to simply make a defender who lands on qb accountable within the rules. This is unfair to the defenders, but is in best interest of game very similar to how the defensive backs are now accountable for not letting up before hitting the spread out receivers.

    Every qb broken collar bone replay looks the same. Big dude lands on qb who is in a vulnerable position. I think it would be unfair for Barr to have not been allowed to have a go at a qb holding the football, just suggesting that the rules can be tweaked so that it is upon Barr in that situation to let up to the extent that he is predisposed to not landing on top of the qb simply because ‘he can’.

  114. stellarperformance says:
    October 16, 2017 at 6:02 am
    zvikes says:
    October 16, 2017 at 5:43 am
    If Barr doesn’t hit Rodgers, he could have easily faked the pass and then ran forever. It would be too big an advantage for QBs.
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    The ball was gone for 1-1000, 2-1000! He wanted to hurt him, tried to hurt him, and succeeded in hurting him, then barked about it. He’s a Viking alright.
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    I know you are probably a Pack fan and upset that Rodgers is gone for the year, but your 1-1000 2-1000 claim simply isnt true. It was a fraction of a second. To his credit Rodgers is a smart savy player that could easily pass fake most defensive players out of their cleats. It was a football play. Someone got hurt. We cannot legislate injury from football.

  115. Ok why don’t we just ban hitting quarterbacks and receivers all together?

    This is ridiculous! If that had been Bradford hit by Matthews, nobody would have said anything!

    I cannot stand the special treatment that is constantly garnered to the packers!

  116. As for the Fumble ruling, I posted this else where, but I can do it again:

    The issues is possession. You cannot establish possession in the air. You must put two feet down or an elbow or knee. Thats the issue. If you concede that he lost control before he entered the endzone, then you can ignore the pylon entirely. He went out of bounds and hit the ground, so it’s a fumble out of bounds. A fumble going out-of-bounds in the endzone being attacked results in the defending team assuming possession via touchback if the offensive team forced the ball into the endzone.

  117. I would argue that a better solution is to roll back the rule changes from the last two decades that have declawed defenses and assisted offenses and return the sport to a team focused game instead of a purely quarterback driven league.

    The league has been reduced to nothing more than the haves and the have-nots in terms of a franchise quarterback and the subsequent ability to go deep into the playoffs. There’s something wrong when there’s 22 guys on the field but one guy is more important by several magnitudes.

  118. Yeah, this has to be one of the silliest takes on the QB protection rules that I have heard in a while. Rodgers was outside the pocket. Barr didn’t hit him high. Didn’t hit him low. Didn’t drive him into the turf. Completely a clean play. Bad luck though. Also, anytime the NFL makes a new rule, they end up completely over-calling it on the field. That’s when the game suffers because mo flags mo problems. Keep the penalties to “egregious” acts where it looks like a defensive player is trying to take out a QB and I think we can all agree to toss the laundry.

    Why not say what you really want to say: “If the QB gets hurt, then there is a penalty” because that’s basically where you’re going with this.

  119. pzebich says:
    October 16, 2017 at 6:52 am
    So you want a new NFL rule that says no hitting Rodgers? How about a rule that says quarterbacks MUST stay in the pocket, then we can go along with the no hitting rule otherwise all they have to do is pretend they are going to pass, pull it down and run. It’s football, it’s a contact sport.
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    “Dancing is a contact sport, football is a collision sport.” – Vince Lombardy
    You can go to the ballroom, or the grid-iron.
    One is a heck of a lot more fun to watch than the other…

  120. If they can’t be hit they should not be allowed to run. I am a Rogers fan but once they leave the pocket it’s fair game.
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    Says it all. I like Rogers too, but he is brittle.

  121. Stop treating life as if it were a product. You can not control life no matter how many product rules you put in place. Life is unpredictable.

  122. If they are going to make that rule then they need to make a rule that any physical touching of the QB and he is down – even if you touch him with a pinky finger its a sack or a tackle ( if QB is running ). You cant expect players to bring down a 6’4″ 220lb man without being physical.

  123. Maybe they should just pass a rule that all injuries are illegal. Wouldn’t it be nice to see all of the teams have all of their players healthy all of the time? Wouldn’t that be the fairest way to play the season and see who the best team is? Unfortunately, life isn’t fair. Too bad about Rodgers but that’s how it goes in the NFL.

  124. RE: the overruled Jets TD.
    Of course it was overruled.What other decision would you expect out of the NFL when it concerns the exulted Patriots and their sainted QB?

  125. Didn’t Romo break his collarbone in similar fashion against Philly in 2015 by being tackled once the ball was out of his hands? But now that princess Erin is hurt by such a play they now need to change the rule? Rodgers ain’t the first to be hit like that and won’t be the last. There is already a rule in place:roughing the passer. If the defender can’t pull up in time it’s not called if he could pull up and didn’t it’s called and that’s good enough for me

  126. Romo broke collarbone in the same manner. You cannot nuance how a player falls tackled to the ground. And you can’t tell tacklers to let up because of the pump fakes. Do people know how frustrating it is to take down a quick-footed and savvy QB in the open field? Try it.

    Rodgers’ loss is tough on his team, viewers. But a rule change suggestion now is unwarranted. So neither is the call for a longer season. Teams can barely survive with rosters now. Practice squad call-ups seem more frequent, but I’d need the data to prove it.

    Rodgers has some culpability in this. And the Division III QB earned his roster opportunity.

  127. There is no comparison of penalties relative to kickers and punters. Kickers and punters are uniquely vulnerable given that they cannot significantly change their position to avoid a hit particularly since one leg is not on the ground for an extensive period. Regarding the QB,the game is too fast to ask the defenders to back off anymore than they are.

  128. The real problem with the NFL is that the rules are such that a team can lose one player and go from a Superbowl contender to an also ran. I love watching a great passing game but it is time to change the rules again to make the running game more viable. So you can actually win a Superbowl without a Hall of Fame QB

  129. docsmith54 says:
    October 16, 2017 at 11:16 am
    …….
    Rodgers has some culpability in this….
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    I don’t know about “culpability,” I think it was just a football play that we have seen under similar scenarios many times and, unfortunately, we have seen some QBs get injured (Rodgers obviously, Romo, Matt Schaub, Jimmy Garoppolo last year, Jameis Winston just yesterday, and others).

    We don’t need reminders that football can be an unforgiving game, but we get those reminders every football weekend. I guess you can argue that they are all culpable for playing the game.

  130. I’m a Packer fan. Personally I don’t think they should change the roughing the passer rule. But I will say this, there are only 10-12 good quarterbacks in the league, maybe. Nobody wants to watch a backup quarterback lead a team. If Brady, Brees, or Roethlisberger aren’t playing I’m not watching their games.

  131. You fall on an outstretched arm with all your weight on it you are going to hurt your shoulder, not every time, but frequently. If a defender is on your back at that moment, that’s more weight and more stress on a joint and the ligaments and tendons that support it. Rodgers was hurt on a clean hit. Trevor Siemian dove at Janoris Jenkins’ feet last night, landed on his left arm and wound up going to the locker room. He was able to return, but it was merely that clumsy dive that hurt is shoulder. It happens all the time, as I can testify from personal experience. No legislation can fix that problem.

  132. How is a defensive player, whose line of sight is often blocked by the player right in front of him trying to protect the QB, supposed to see the QB’s exact point of release on every play? To expect him to pull up and avoid the hit with a penalaty and or fine hanging in the balance is a ridiculous standard to hold them to when they can’t always see what the QB is doing. Rodgers has been hurt a few times already in his career because he moves around so much. You already can’t hit a QB late, that’s good enough.

  133. The defense being physical with the QB has always been an essential part of the game. Being able to wear down a QB physically and mentally is central to strategy.

    Can’t wait to see all the nit-pickey ref calls with this rule change.

  134. I don’t like the idea of having the QBs protected more. But in this play for example – there isn’t really a need to wrap him up and smash him into the turf. I don’t have a problem with a hit or push after a 1-1000 count. But after that is serves no purpose other than hurting or banging up the “most important player” on the field. There should be a happy medium the league can find.

  135. There are many things that can be cleared before getting to this overreaction. I wonder, did anyone ever complain that all of Rodgers’ free plays (under flags for offside) were also unnecessarily dangerous to the health of the players? Go ahead, play hard and if you succeed, it will be for naught anyway.

  136. Make it easy. Qbs are fair game to be tackled. Defenders just can’t land on them unless they are engaged (being blocked). Barr would have tried to tackle Rodgers, if he were required to, but rules allow he can just run over qb, as long as not deemed to be late on confrontation, and that is the same for every broken collar bone replay that we see.

  137. The Packers (and some others) are the problem. Football is played with offensive linemen for a reason. The Packers often have the QB run out of the pocket in order to “trick” the other team. You live by the sword, you die by the sword. It’s the coaches and Rodgers who at fault if they lose games because they’ve been decimated. The rules are fine.

  138. System QB is definitely a thing. Some systems make some QBs look way better than they really are. Just look at Matt Cassell at New England and afterwards. Or Matt Flynn with the Packers and afterwards.

  139. I see the despicable ‘ambulance chasing’ media is fast to the scene, ready to further erode the game of professional Football. As far as Rodgers injury, only Popwarner kids get the benefit of being slightly more ‘bubble-wrapped’ than Bradycheat & Rodgers! Everyone that plays football runs the risk of getting hurt, or any sport for that matter. I guess that’s why they get paid the ‘big bucks’…isn’t it? These days, college & high school games are actually more interesting to watch, because at least they play with their hearts rather than their wallets.

  140. Whats sad to see is some Packers fans saying the season is over, but you profess how loyal you are to your team. Give the Hundley kid a chance, the Pack is still tied for first right? I never gave up on the Vikings when Teddy got hurt, but you do have the bandwagon fans and fair weather fans that when faced with adversity just wanna throw in the towel. However this is what happens when you don’t build a team with depth to withstand a whole season of football.Expecting the same player to carry the team week in and week out is not good and now the fall out comes.

    The Barr hit was legal and just because its Aaron Rodgers doesn’t make a difference. There are not rules for the rest of NFL QBs and then Rules for Aaron Rodgers. You are taught to go to the whistle and that’s what Barr did you cannot expect defensive player just to stop in mid stride and pull up. Getting hit is part of the game and injuries happen. If Aaron would not have stuck out his arm to brace himself and QBs are taught this he probably wouldn’t have broken his collarbone. The game moves very fast and watching slow motion replays doesn’t do any good. So Packers fans, put on your big boy pants, cheer for your team and don’t blame Barr for the hit. Blame your GM and coaches for not having depth on your team.

  141. hailtothenamechange says:
    October 16, 2017 at 11:34 am

    Quarterbacks would just continually pump fake and go forever untouched.
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    Only until they got to the line of scrimmage, unless they change that rule too.

    Besides, I doubt any defense is going to let a quarterback run around behind the line of scrimmage and pump fake it all day.

  142. This issue easily separates the sports fans from the fans of carnage and human suffering. Sports fans watch to appreciate the athleticism and strategy. The sports fan isn’t waiting with feverish anticipation of the next injury. The injury advocates are watching for their twisted thrill of seeing someone get hurt.

  143. At the end of the game every player should get a trophy, and fans should get a banner. Then all will gather in the middle, take a knee, and sing “Everything is Awesome” with the crowd in unison. This will fix the fans punching each other as well. Everyone will leave happy and fulfilled.

  144. I want to see the best players stay upright, but not hitting the qb is just a silly idea. How about this compromise. Make it a penalty to drive the QB into the ground. Hit them, take them down, etc. But we see these plays where they shift all of their weight to drive the QB’s shoulder/back into the ground in an obvious attempt to injure them. That can be cleaned up.

  145. You can’t protect QB’s like kickers. With kickers, defenders are trying to go for the ball. It is pretty easy to stick out a hand and avoid making contact with the kicker’s body. With QB’s, especially mobile QB’s, defenders are trying to hit the person. So when someone like Russell Wilson runs all over the field and then chucks a throw he has no intention of completing to avoid a sack, it is already frustrating but part of the game. Now combine that same play with his intent to collect a 15 yard penalty and you will see lots of cheap first downs when the defender has already committed to a tackle.

  146. It makes no difference if you think the hit was late or not, if it was, then Barr gets a 15 yard penalty, Rogers is still out of the year, Packers still lose the game and maybe Barr gets fined a few thousand dollars of his quarter of a million game check. More rules to protect the QB is like adding more laws to make owning a gun more difficult. It still won’t stop bad people from doing bad things with a gun, just like it won’t stop QB’s from getting hurt in a physical game where 11 guys are trying to stop the QB. The only “fix” would be to make the QB wear a red vest like in practice and turn the NFL into a flag football league. Thats the equivelent of confiscating all guns in the U.S. Won’t happen.

  147. Please. I am very saddened that Rodgers got hurt, but please, I beg you. NO MORE RULES. We had the Palmer Rule, and when Brady got hurt, because the stupid ref didn’t think the Palmer Rule didn’t apply, the NFL had to upgrade it, so there’s the Brady Rule. NOW, we are having people suggest ANOTHER RULE? I have seen Brady hit AFTER the ball is thrown many times, and no one has suggested this rule. Now, Rodgers gets hit, and now they want another rule. Please.

  148. The NFL really needs to put in a rule that a QB is a passer and not a runner and may not run more than five times in a game. It is time to end the fake QB’s from having the option to run when they are unable to run.

    And if a QB uses all five rushes in the first half, he will draw an illegal run penalty which is 10 yards from the spot of the ball and a loss of down on every other rush.

    If a team wants to change QB’s to get another five rushing attempts, so bit it.

  149. I agree that QBs are already protected enough, and if a guy doesn’t want to risk getting hit he should stay in the pocket.

    If you aren’t allowed to hit a QB that rolls out and runs all the time how can you possible play defense?

    No sympathy for Packer fans complaining about this hit but cheering Clay Matthews through the years when he took every cheap shot possible in every game. Call it karma.

  150. It’s already bad enough that the Packers have the refs on their back pocket week in week out, but God forbid one of their players gets hurt. Let’s change the rule book right away.

  151. What rules got changed after Favre got hammered in 09? Answer= NONE. You cannot change rules cause a prima donna crybaby who by the way was OUT of the pocket and a runner, gets hurt. Barr did not LIFT and Drive him. All due respect, he should of never put his arm out to break the fall. He may of not gotten hurt.

  152. “Take a look at what Texans rookie quarterback Deshaun Watson has done. The system he ran at Clemson was nothing at all like the system Houston coach Bill O’Brien runs. But Watson came in at halftime of Week One and has played so well since then that he’s a legitimate MVP candidate. It’s not that Watson fits O’Brien’s system, it’s that Watson is a terrific talent and can succeed in any system. The idea of a system fit is the most overrated part of evaluating how a quarterback will do on a given team.”

    Um, you do realize that O’Brien changed his offense to fit Watson’s system from Clemson, right? Last time I checked in the 3 years prior to Watson starting none of the Texans QB’s ran read options and jet sweeps.

  153. A QB should not be throwing the ball under duress. They are opening themselves up for injuries. Take a sack, protect yourself, don’t rely on anything else. Russell Wilson handles these situations well.

  154. It sure looked like Barr took 2 full steps,after Rodgers had thrown the ball, before he wrapped him up and drove him into the ground. Should’ve been a late hit to the QB, personal foul, 14 yards and a big fine. The ball was long gone and Barr was well aware of the fact. He just HAD to lay a hit on him. He might not have been able to come to a full stop, but wrapping him up and pounding him was the very definition of unnecessary roughness. BTW, Pats fan w/no love for Rodgers or the Pack, just hate to see something so avoidable put a player on IR.

  155. Aaron Rodger’s rule#1: Throw as many flags as possible to help him.
    Aaron Rodger’s rule#2: Keep giving him as many tries as possible until he completes a hail mary.
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    Incorrect.

    Simpler. Much simpler.

    Aaron Rodgers rule – DOMINATE

  156. Y’all are the type of meatheads that cause so many intelligent people to have distaste for this fantastic game. Injuries to the best players make the games less interesting. How many of you were glued to the Brisset led Colts game last night? Use your brains please.

  157. Just what we need….more flags, more rules tilted in favor of the offense, more drives that end in touchdowns due to defensive penalties prolonging them on 3rd and long.

  158. Wow now Aaron rodgers gets hurt and you ask for a rule change,
    What happened when Cam newton, Russell, RG3 , josh mcown, etc got hit outside the pocket, you shrugged and said well
    1. they should stay in pocket,
    2. such a rule would be tough to enforce
    3. qb can pump fake and take off on a run.

  159. >cardinealsfan20 says:
    >You’re missing the point. The NFL game is at it’s best when the very best players are…>playing. Do you really want to watch the level of play without AR, Mariota, Carr? How about >with
    Thats absurd, then why not give running QBs enhanced protection as well, are they not stars, RG3 was a star and got lit up in 2012 and 2016 outside the pocket.
    At that time all I heard was if you give running QBs such a protection, they will fake and take off, defense will be impossible, you cannot have it both ways.

  160. SO many people say “wah wah it’ll turn the NFL into flag football”

    Well…would that really be so bad?

    For good reason, they’ve banned many of the plays that result in the big, violent hits we grew up loving. Most of the game is short throws to open recievers anyway, so it’s not like much would change.

    Maybe this is an idea worth exploring?

  161. For those Packer fans saying that Barr hit Rodgers late, there was less than ONE SECOND between Aaron’s release of the ball and Barr’s contact with him… not 2 seconds or 3 seconds. It was a legal hit at shoulder level.

    If Rodgers hadn’t awkwardly put his arm down to break his fall, he wouldn’t have likely been hurt.

    It’s too bad a star player got hurt, but stuff like this happens. There was no intent to injure.

  162. Maybe they should just have the quarterbacks wear red jerseys like they do in practice. Then they can change the rules to state that you can’t touch the guy in the red jersey. The game would be pretty boring, but hey, at least the quarterbacks would be safe.

  163. I hate that idea. But if that rule is added then part of the rule should be that the QB loses that protection if he throws a “balk”. Otherwise the QB will frequently say “Nyah nyah, you can’t touch me if I throw, so I’ll pretend to throw and you’ll slow down!”

  164. Packer fan here,
    It’s over and done with. I still think Barr meant to let Rodgers know he was in for a long day. He didn’t need to piledrive Rodgers but in all fairness I don’t see where the NFL needs to make more rules to give QB’s an unfair advantage. It’s football. We Packer fans have had a few days to absorb what happened. It’s time to move on. Rodgers is done for this season.
    He’ll be back in 2018. Until then we’ll see what Hundley has to offer.

  165. If you do this rule, I think you also need a pump fake rule. Otherwise, you are slanting the table way too much in favor of the QBs. The final rule would look like this:

    Defensive player cannot hit a QB after releasing the ball
    QB cannot gain any more forward progress running after doing a pump fake

    It is only fair that if you ask guys like Barr to let up if they see a throwing motion, that it does not result in another 10 yards for a mobile QB. These guys have to decide in a split second.

  166. I think the best new rule they could make would be to place a weight limit on the players. It would take away the incentive for juicing, it would reduce the chance of the smaller players getting injured, and it would even the playing field. Who knows? Maybe some of the CTE players are suffering is actually from steroid abuse. I think the days of the 400 pound lineman are not that far away.

  167. “QB’s are already overprotected…It sucks rodgers got hurt. It’s also football”.

    You’re missing the point. The NFL game is at it’s best when the very best players are…playing. Do you really want to watch the level of play without AR, Mariota, Carr? How about with Stafford limping around? Perhaps your lust for catastrophic injuries is temporarily satisfied by big QB hits, but afterwards you’re just watching bad football.

    Rules protecting QB’s aren’t sissifying the game. Rather, those rules help preserve the level of play intelligent fans want to see.

    —–

    So we should change the rules so the same players dominate and no one gets a chance to rise? Why aren’t rules changed when other players are hurt?

    Not everyone loves Aaron Rodgers and some people like to see teams rise and fall. If you are only interested in football because of certain QB play, or certain players than you aren’t a true fan. The game has been around forever and it was popular without players like Rodgers. This is soo dumb and I hate how bias people and the media are. There are 31 other teams. There are 100’s of other players. Not just Rodgers, Brady.

  168. If Rodgers hadn’t awkwardly put his arm down to break his fall, he wouldn’t have likely been hurt.
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    Debatable, to say the least.

    The full force coming down completly on his throwing shoulder may have been far worse.

  169. It was illegal. Obviously and indisputably. The NFL Rules clearly state:

    “A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. ”

    This is incontrovertible. Now we all know that the Vikings would happily trade 15 yards and/or 10K$ for the opportunity that Rodgers’ injury provides but to imply the hit was “legal” is inane.

  170. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    October 16, 2017 at 12:03 pm

    System QB is definitely a thing. Some systems make some QBs look way better than they really are. Just look at Matt Cassell at New England and afterwards. Or Matt Flynn with the Packers and afterwards.

    ————–
    Cassel’s best year wasn’t even with the Pats. And Flynn is only known for one incredible game, that doesn’t really hold up either. You need better examples.

  171. the release these quarterbacks have is ridiculous compared with the time it takes for a defender to halt their momentum. people are going to get hurt. it really sucks for the league and for fans when a superstar like Rodgers is lost due to injury but it is a physical sport and people are going to get hurt. also, what message does it send to average players who get hurt that rules only get looked at when a guy like Rodgers gets hurt?

  172. No sympathy for Packer fans complaining about this hit but cheering Clay Matthews through the years when he took every cheap shot possible in every game.
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    I think if you payed attention, those people are the minority.

    CMIII is pretty overrated for my $$$.. if the defense were better, I’d be fine going without him. They don’t have that luxury right now though.

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