Johnathan Joseph says some players were unconvinced by McNair’s apology

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Texans players were disappointed by the fact that owner Bob McNair didn’t meet with them on Friday to explain his quote about not having “inmates” run the “prison.” McNair met with them on Saturday morning, but it apparently didn’t have the desired effect.

Dana Jacobson of CBS reports from the site of Sunday’s Texans-Seahawks game that veteran cornerback Johnathan Joseph told her that the report was not regarded as persuasive by all players.

Multiple reports indicate that a majority of Texans players will be kneeling during the national anthem. Joseph told Jacobson that the players previously stood out of respect for McNair. Now, they’ll be kneeling to defy him.

Tackle Duane Brown told PFT on Saturday morning, before the in-person apology, that the players plan to play to win the game for themselves, not for McNair. Win or lose, this issue isn’t going away any time soon.

90 responses to “Johnathan Joseph says some players were unconvinced by McNair’s apology

  1. Good for them. And tjacks….who said you had to like your boss or employer? They stood initially out if respect for the team owner. The team owner showed he had no respect for them so here we are.

  2. Keep them in the dressing room. Their participation in anything other than playing football really isn’t necessary.

  3. Aren’t all the Billy Bobs suppose to be watching that Thank You for your Service movie? They are all about respect and all yet that movie is not doing well.

  4. The world needs ditch diggers too. Maybe hey should quit and help their fellow community members rebuilding their homes. That would be really honorable

  5. Too many of The same noisy folks who so eagerly display their hatred and disgust for football players who kneel for 45-seconds in peaceful protest are noticeably silent about the alt-right flying their Nazi flags in public demonstrations on US soil. If that weren’t so disturbing, it would be laughable.

  6. Win for yourselves? How about you win for the city that has supported you losers that has given you undying support and sold-out stadiums since the franchise’s inception?

  7. I’m really torn about this game.

    I have no feelings about the Texans and dislike the Seahawks.

    I should be hoping for a Texans win, but actually hope the players embarrass themselves thoroughly.

  8. Time for them to take a stand and sit out. Without pay. See if they realize who signs their checks then. If I hate my job so much and I start talking bad about my boss, I am probably unemployed soon after. These guys don’t even realize how the real world works.

  9. “Multiple reports indicate that a majority of Texans players will be kneeling during the national anthem. Joseph told Jacobson that the players previously stood out of respect for McNair. Now, they’ll be kneeling to defy him.”

    Ha! Good. This slow moving trainwreck is awesome entertainment and a heck of a lot better than the garbage product on the field

  10. How do they not get it is a common saying?! It’s in movies, TV shows, Business vernacular, etc. This has the crossed the line on ridiculous. It’s just manufactured outrage.

  11. Guess what? Players aren’t the ONLY ones who get to be “concerned” about things. Owners also have that right, as they have a lot of skin in the game too.

    And when one of them dares to address their concerns, using a well-known metaphor that even a complete idiot knows the meaning of, people choose to become offended and blow their collective gaskets.

    Want to know what’s ruining the NFL? THIS!

    Want to know what’s ruining our country? THIS!

  12. Meanwhile, Bruce Maxwell, the lone MLB player who knelt got arrested in Scottsdale, AZ yesterday for pointing a gun at a delivery girl. (Yes, in Scottsdale, AZ)

    #deliverydriverslivesmatter
    #handsupdontshootandthatsyourpizzaontheground

    Why are these kneelers whether it’s Michael Bennett to Bruce Maxwell not cognizant of their own behaviors?

    Oppressed by these ‘racist’ owners who give them millions to play a game and being asked to stand for the national anthem.

  13. I can’t believe these players think that Kneeling during the Natl Anthem is a good idea. Its killing the ratings, and eventually will cost them lots of money, and they aren’t convincing anyone to come around to their twisted way of thinking. So dumb. Their owner used a commonly used choice of words–WHO CARES. Get a grip.

  14. Wow!! “Kneeling to defy him” That will certainly show him…smh…all over a saying that has been around for eons and is true!!! But, you will surely cash that game check!!! Maybe these snowflake SJW’s need to suck it up and be glad they make millions!! So sick of this….

  15. If I were McNair, on the bye week, I would suspend the players complaining, and bring in UFA’s to take their place. See how they like missing paychecks.

  16. Hey Trump Trolls….Tell me exactly how any protest statements affect YOU. You would choose to stand for the anthem and wouldn’t be offended by having your boss allude to your working in a prison environment (yeah, “just a saying”, sure). Hey, that’s great for you. But why do the Trump Trolls get so frothing-at-the-mouth angry at how someone else is choosing to make a statement? It doesn’t affect YOU in the least. We know why our Idiot In Chief is doing this….he hates the NFL for preventing him from being part of their exclusive Owners’ Club. But don’t you have some other things in your life to get really concerned about? You are being totally played by your cult leader and are so wrapped up in hatred and anger to even see it. And yes, I don’t expect any of the Trump Trolls to have any clue what I’m saying.

  17. Nobody cares; yawn. All you SJW whites and racist blacks can go to your safe-spaces together. It’s Sunday, it “used” to be about football. Now look at it.

  18. So don’t play. Don’t play at all. You hate your owner and feel enslaved. Just don’t suit up and make a statement. Then demand a trade. That I can respect.

  19. I’m a huge Texans fan and love the team but I don’t get this. It seems these players look at everything threw such a strong racial lens it has warped there preseption of reality. I don’t know Bob Mc Nair and for all know he could be racist but this incident is not an example of racism and shouldnt be treated as such. An old man used a phrase I myself have use a lot and they twisted it to mean something evil and racist. I hope these players can get away from looking at everything threw this racial lens because it’s not healthy and will cause them to see racism where non exist.

  20. Call me crazy or whatever – but if someone had paid me tens of millions of dollars for playing a kid’s game, I think I’d give him the benefit of the doubt in a case like this. First of all, he did apologize. Secondly, It’s not like he said anything that we all haven’t said many times over the course of our lives – especially since it is an oft-repeated saying that has absolutely no racist connotations. Grow up children and realize that if you weren’t an elite athlete making millions, you’d have to put up with your boss saying things far worse to you – all of us working stiffs have been there. You all have no idea how the real world works.

  21. When flag draped coffins have returned home to their final resting place, they don’t display race, ethnicity, religion or sex. They cover the hearts of a dead AMERICAN. Can they at least repsect that?

  22. Memo to all NFL owners….no more idioms and colloquialisms. The players don’t understand them and might find them racist. Keep your comments to mono-syllabic words and easy to understand phrases. And memo to NFL players….the words idiom and colloquiallism are not offensive words. Please use your dictionaries if you’re not sure.

  23. He shouldn’t be apologizing to begin with, it’s not racist and it’s the truth. This is the bad thing about any union, even ones that pay their EMPLOYEES millions of dollars. They don’t care about the business at all. Bad part about the NFL model is their salary is directly affected by revenue. Maybe next McNair will say “cut off your nose to spite your face” and that’ll turn into some sort of SJW mantra that he has to apologize for.

  24. So how many of you here put down the nachos and get your butts off the sagging couch on the rare occasions they show even part of the anthem?

    None.

  25. How in the world the Kneeling Football League let the focus go away from an entertaining sport to a social justice platform is so confusing. Enjoy reading about the train wreck though! Okay enough reading, off to Oktoberfest activities.

  26. there is nothing to apologize for you hypocritical racist loons…not all the players are black you know? get over yourselves

  27. But the players were convinced that McNair’s use of a common statement (inmates running the prison) should be taken out of context as an intentional racist remark?

    Talk about moral relativism – at its worst.

    The players are losing the battle AND the war. It’s going to cost them on the salary cap in upcoming seasons.

  28. I LOVE IT!

    Kaep just keeps on winning. As justice and civility always wins in the end. Petulant children in here showing what we all know is true. A little uncomfort and the privileged lose dey minds!!

  29. and just when the Texans were looking to be on the rise they are probably going to have their season derailed by media pot-stirrers and the fools falling for the garbage they spew.

  30. Other idioms and sayings that need to go lest you be called a racist:
    “Going off without a hitch”
    “Throw the baby out with the bathwater”
    “Cut your nose off despite your face”
    “A broken clock is right twice a day”
    “Even a blind squirrel finds a nut”
    And definitely stay away from at all costs….”That’s the pot calling the kettle black!”

  31. gstewart400 says:
    October 29, 2017 at 12:59 pm
    Hey Trump Trolls….Tell me exactly how any protest statements affect YOU. You would choose to stand for the anthem and wouldn’t be offended by having your boss allude to your working in a prison environment (yeah, “just a saying”, sure). Hey, that’s great for you. But why do the Trump Trolls get so frothing-at-the-mouth angry at how someone else is choosing to make a statement? It doesn’t affect YOU in the least. We know why our Idiot In Chief is doing this….he hates the NFL for preventing him from being part of their exclusive Owners’ Club. But don’t you have some other things in your life to get really concerned about? You are being totally played by your cult leader and are so wrapped up in hatred and anger to even see it. And yes, I don’t expect any of the Trump Trolls to have any clue what I’m saying.
    _____________________
    Here’s one for you: It’s called “The Emperors New Clothes”. And you, my friend are the Emperor.

  32. Message to NFL owners. Take back the asylum. Things have gotten backwards. It always ends up this way when you get deep into the PC culture. Just like so many children to today disrespect their own parents and talk to them like they are some teenaged friend. “Slap”. That should wake them out of the stupor.

  33. Where is JJ Watt in all of this? Why isn’t he stepping up and telling them to kneel during anthem isn’t the way to defy McNair? Talk about guys out of touch. They’ve lost this battle.

  34. Duane Brown is toxic. He is amplifying this as an opportunity for payback.Trade him or cut him. Keep the players that are committed to the team, to the city and to themselves.

  35. Seems only the black players are offended by the inmate remark which makes me wonder why are they offended by the use of the word inmate because of its literal meaning yet they call eachother the N word and none of em are offended by that and its literal meaning and the fact its a word rooted in hate?

  36. Players are forgetting the fans. They are forgetting they vowed to win for the city, the fans who suffered through Harvey. Win for the fans, the city, the team. Deal with the owner, & owner needs a strong, positive response. No more excuses. He’s going to have to put forth the effort & the money to help change.

    Start with $10m donation & matching whatever players put in to invest in improving education & race relations. Put players on the board to decide how to get this accomplished. Walk the talk dammit.

  37. gstewart400 says:
    October 29, 2017 at 12:59 pm
    Hey Trump Trolls….
    _____________________

    Of course you are liberal and only know how to name call. How about any thoughts with an insult. Possible?

    BTW, I am sick of these loser players BOO HOO HOO HOO HOO HOO HOO!!!!

  38. I’ve come to the conclusion that 90% of the comments on this site comes from Alt-right , Bill O’reily, Racist snowflakes who use “ patriotism” as coded language regarding these athletes, you only care about said athletes knowing their role and producing for fantasy football. Yet you could care less about the issues that are important to said athletes ( I.e police murdering unarmed black people and walking away Scott free) and the same people saying “How are they slaves when their making millions of dollars” would probably allow themselves to be disrespected in the name of money, disgusting when you think about it. The owners should just be honest and tell the truth, we don’t care about black fans, we only CARE about our white fan base

  39. Players are forgetting the fans. They are forgetting they vowed to win for the city, the fans who suffered through Harvey. Win for the fans, the city, the team. Deal with the owner, & owner needs a strong, positive response. No more excuses. He’s going to have to put forth the effort & the money to help change.

    Start with $10m donation & matching whatever players put in to invest in improving education & race relations. Put players on the board to decide how to get this accomplished. Walk the talk.

  40. This is why my tv is off today. I’ve found that I’m not missing football either. These crybabies have made a 25 year habit easy to break. They’ve given me the gift of time!

  41. gstewart400 says:

    Hey Trump Trolls….Tell me exactly how any protest statements affect YOU.
    ==========================================================

    It’s about the current culture war your side started and the moral fabric of society which effects everyone.

  42. Not only do people want to tell someone how, when, and what to protest, they want to tell you how you should feel about things too.

  43. These racist players have a choice.

    Practice what you preach and resign immediately.

    Play and shut your traps. Then when your contract ends, leave.

    This is much to do about nothing – the fact that these players are anti-police (and don’t think for a minute they aren’t) is grounds to call them prisoners.

  44. patfic5 says:
    October 29, 2017 at 12:58 pm
    Without FF, ratings would be abysmal.

    ————–

    Ain’t that the truth! Without FF and DFS, there would be literally no reason for anyone to watch this dumpster fire.

  45. He used an idiom. If he had said the inmates shouldn’t run the league that would be a problem. But they are twisting this to portray themselves as victims. Nobody with half a brain is buying this.

  46. When the strike comes as it inevitably will, lock out these cry babies, bust the unions and go with the replacement players like they did in the 80s strike…watch how fast the aggrieved go broke.

  47. At some point, the owners of these businesses need to stand up and firmly tell their employees to shut up and do their jobs or get lost…..In most business models, this would’ve already happened very swiftly. But this business doesn’t provide products or services, they sell advertising… And if the advertisers don’t want anyone offended the owners are made to act silly. And the inmates slowly but surely take control of the prison. And destroy everything. Watch & see

  48. Negotiating with the passionate (fanatics) has never been terribly successful. It’s become (returned to) extortion. There is no end in sight since there is no clear agenda though there seems to be one just below the surface.

  49. It’s his team, he is the one that laid out the cash to buy the team. The players are his employees, he pays their overblown salary. Whatever he says is correct if you are cashing his checks.

  50. It has to hurt if you’re white in this racist country and to know the Duane Brown actually makes around 500k a week. Meanwhile with all your priveledge you poor as hell, if you white and broke in this country you’re a special kind of bum.

  51. Why should McNair care what these guys think? He’s not going anywhere. Play for whatever reason you want but play well. Play poorly and lose, you’ll be out of the league sooner rather than later. At the end of the day, it’s a simple as that.

  52. I’ve been a huge NFL fan since I was in the second grade. Since all of the shenanigans of the last season and this season, I have gone from watching 6-7 games a week to just the Texans games. I’m going to be at the game next week and that will be the last NFL game I attend or watch. I will find other enjoyment to make use of my time.
    Go Astros!

  53. yesser12 says:
    October 29, 2017 at 12:51 pm
    Some play Fantasy football because it makes them feel like a owner…slave owner.

    ———-
    That whole slave analogy is nonsense. A slave did not have the option of walking away from a multi million dollar paycheck if he didnt like what was being asked for to earn it. Its a pretty key difference.

  54. gstewart400 says:
    October 29, 2017 at 12:59 pm
    Hey Trump Trolls….Tell me exactly how any protest statements affect YOU. You would choose to stand for the anthem and wouldn’t be offended by having your boss allude to your working in a prison environment (yeah, “just a saying”, sure). Hey, that’s great for you. But why do the Trump Trolls get so frothing-at-the-mouth angry at how someone else is choosing to make a statement? It doesn’t affect YOU in the least. We know why our Idiot In Chief is doing this….he hates the NFL for preventing him from being part of their exclusive Owners’ Club. But don’t you have some other things in your life to get really concerned about? You are being totally played by your cult leader and are so wrapped up in hatred and anger to even see it. And yes, I don’t expect any of the Trump Trolls to have any clue what I’m saying.

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    I gues Im confused over exactly who is “frothing at the mouth angry” here.

  55. Fat, old, loser whities fetishizing police and military is one of the most disgusting and pathetic things going these days. If you don’t like the players action… put down your Budweiser, get your fat butt off the couch and you go try and take their jobs.

  56. electricrelics says:
    October 29, 2017 at 3:43 pm
    Fat, old, loser whities fetishizing police and military is one of the most disgusting and pathetic things going these days. If you don’t like the players action… put down your Budweiser, get your fat butt off the couch and you go try and take their jobs.

    —————
    Of course we cant do that. But the dealbreaker would be our fat butts, not standing for the anthem.

  57. curtdog63 says:
    October 29, 2017 at 2:48 pm
    It has to hurt if you’re white in this racist country and to know the Duane Brown actually makes around 500k a week. Meanwhile with all your priveledge you poor as hell, if you white and broke in this country you’re a special kind of bum.

    Well I guess for those bums should protest now that we know how people really feel. Men make money, that’s your value system? That’s how you determine a man’s worth?

  58. boo-hoo-hoo, poor johnathan joseph, boo-hoo-hoo, oh poor johnathan joseph, he only gets paid $6.5 million for 3 months of goofing off ! ! !

  59. Lemmy Aksyadis says:
    October 29, 2017 at 4:44 pm
    curtdog63 says:
    October 29, 2017 at 2:48 pm
    It has to hurt if you’re white in this racist country and to know the Duane Brown actually makes around 500k a week. Meanwhile with all your priveledge you poor as hell, if you white and broke in this country you’re a special kind of bum.

    Well I guess for those bums should protest now that we know how people really feel. Men make money, that’s your value system? That’s how you determine a man’s worth?
    __________________________________
    Look at the final justifications for the current POTUS….401K bumps, economy supposedly going bear, rich getting theirs finally.
    It has always been about money for ya’ll….humanity be damned! don’t renig now!!

  60. So why not just refuse to play. Do it! Do not get on the plane do not take a game check. Will never happen. They have principles until it effects their personal bottom line. Sounds like the players and the owners have a lot in common.

  61. Perhaps it’s time for an owner to walk into the locker room before the game and state it plainly: No kneeling, no fists in the air, no protesting. Tuck that helmet under your left arm, put your right hand over your heart, and stand at attention for the national anthem. Do anything less, and I’ll inform the league we are forfeiting the game. No play, no pay. Granted, it’s almost suicidal financially, but take the offensive reins back. Dare the players. Throw in a WW II reference: There’s a reason why the US dropped two bombs on Japan…one, to convince Japan to end the war; two, because Japan dared to call our bluff.

  62. I have no problem with players kneeling over police injustice, but in this instance, it’s just silly. McNair used a common phrase. Why make it more than it is?

    Anyway, I still watch the games. I go to them. I gamble on them. The rest of this stuff doesn’t get in the way of that.

    Whatever.

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