Browns should have known Hue Jackson and the front office would clash

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The AJ McCarron trade debacle has laid bare the plain fact that Browns coach Hue Jackson and the people who run Cleveland’s front office are not a good fit. But that should have been clear long ago.

In fact, it was clear to many people outside the Browns’ facility. It just wasn’t clear to the Browns.

When Browns owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam fired coach Mike Pettine and General Manager Ray Farmer after the 2015 season, they quickly moved on to make a radical overhaul of their approach to building a team. That overhaul was exemplified by the hiring of Paul DePodesta, a baseball analytics expert who was one of the central figures in Moneyball. The Haslams were clear: They were going to go all-in on the Moneyball approach, to a greater extent than any NFL team had done before.

And then they proceeded to pair the Moneyball front office with Jackson, who doesn’t have an analytics background and doesn’t seem to believe in that approach. Saying they’re not a good fit isn’t 20/20 hindsight; we’ve been saying it since before Jackson ever coached a game in Cleveland, and an April 2016 ESPN the Magazine profile of DePodesta made it clear. That profile portrayed Jackson and his coaching staff as not only uninterested in analytics, but actively hostile toward the analytics people in the front office.

It’s not just Hue Jackson,” an NFL executive quoted in that profile said. “When data overrides gut, the majority of his coaching staff will all be there screaming, ‘What the f— are these computer guys doing? They don’t understand football, they don’t understand the locker room. They’re killing us.'”

If the Browns wanted to rebuild their team using some of the same analytics tools that baseball and basketball teams have successfully used, they should have hired a coach who’s on board with that approach. Eagles defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz, for instance, has an economics degree from Georgetown, and has an appreciation for analytics. Would Schwartz have succeeded as the head coach in Cleveland? Who knows? But he at least would have been on the same page as the front office.

Jackson is not on the same page as the front office. The Browns may realize that now, after the current regime has lost 23 of 24 games. It shouldn’t have taken so long.

94 responses to “Browns should have known Hue Jackson and the front office would clash

  1. It’s also obvious that Hue is not a good head coach. Might be a quality OC and QB coach, but he’s not a Head Coach. No shame, it’s common.

    Cleveland…it feels weird saying this, but…call Chip Kelly.

  2. Sooooo, how is that whole Moneyball thing working out for you? You do know it’s just a movie, right? I trust Hue’s gut more than analytics.
    I think I will go form a NASCAR team and use Days of Thunder as a guide. Then wonder why it didn’t work.

  3. I totally agree with this article. The front office and the coaching staff have to be in complete alignment, especially in terms of a philosophical approach and particularly when you’re dealing with a downtrodden franchise such as the Browns. The team actually has a lot of good players and a real nucleus, along with a lot of good draft picks coming up–but if the front office and the head coach aren’t lined up philosophically, that’s not going to help. Jackson needs to go. He’s not the answer. Find a coach who can get on board or else keep on losing, Cleveland.

  4. Uh, what coach in their right mind would want the Browns job – then or now? Pettine was #5 or 6 on the list because everyone else passed! We all kmow the “analytics” approach was laughable, way more moving parts in football than the pitcher v batter duel from which ALL
    baseball data flows.

  5. jjackwagon says:
    November 2, 2017 at 9:21 am
    Sooooo, how is that whole Moneyball thing working out for you? You do know it’s just a movie, right? I trust Hue’s gut more than analytics.
    I think I will go form a NASCAR team and use Days of Thunder as a guide. Then wonder why it didn’t work.

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    its a movie based on true events that actually happened. however, it worked for just one season, its more of an anomaly than anything else.

  6. Lot of piling on the Browns and disconnects, why hasn’t more been made out of the a JETS head coach being at a presser and a trade going down with him unaware? Just askin…

  7. Boohoo. How many people don’t get along with all their co-workers? For a few million a year, you can learn to suck it up and get along. While Ownership may have set up the team to fail with a bad match between coach and front office, neither party has done their job well either. And this isn’t a shot at the analytics side – this is a shot at their inability to process trades and the like.

  8. Bill Belichick uses analytics. The guy is a walking database. He constantly uses head over heart and every time he does something fans and media all ponder if the guy has finally lost his mind. I could list many examples over the years, be it going for 4th-and-2 in Indy which he actually made but got a bad spot because refs didn’t mark forward progress – or sticking with Brady over Bledsoe in late 2001, or keeping Brady in 2014. Letting Wilfork, Vrabel, Vinatieri and Welker all go just before their careers declined… Just last year letting Martellus Bennett go. With roster limits, in the era of trade rules and salary cap you have to use analytics, both on the field and off.

    I also follow cycling, and it’s been done there too by both Team Sky and the British team, taking them from mid-table to top-runners. The French are pissed and say it just isn’t cycling, it’s a new kind of cheating! But I say, don’t be a sad factory, be a computer factory.

  9. ^p.s. not that Vinatieri’s career declined, but Gostkowski’s stats are, incredibly, slightly better.

  10. I have the feeling that analytics will at best take years to work in football. And it might never gain traction, even if the principles are sound. The sport resists change, and resists anything that doesn’t put things like chemistry and intangibles first. Even if things like chemistry and intangibles are nonsense.

    DePodesta should just give it up and come home to Queens.

  11. Keep Jim Schwartz’s name outta yo mouth MDS . . . he is in the only place and job he belongs, Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator. Head coach chatter is “Verbotten”

  12. If I was a noob owner wanting to turn a team around I think I would look around the league and model my operation after the most successful teams out there. Not go full bore into an unproven system. Keep it simple…… BIGLY!

  13. Hue Jackson doesn’t fit anywhere, he’s a ruthless control freak who will throw absolutely anybody under the bus to get ahead.

  14. Don’t you put this on Hue Jackson, Mr MD Smith.

    Hue has bent over backwards in an effort to support the “analytics approach”, but let’s take a good look at what the Harvard Boys did for the Browns HC, this year.

    They started the year(in Feb) by cutting one of the best veteran QBs (Josh McCown) when it comes to teaching/tutoring young QBs. McCown was under contract for one more year, the last year of his 3yr deal, with 2017 being the least expensive year of his 3 yr contract..all guaranteed money already paid out in the first two years.
    All the H-Boys had to do was keep McCown..but they didn’t.

    The made the trade for Osweiller, took on his $16 Mill salary in exchange for Texans 2nd round pick in 2018.

    The FO drafted Garrett, which Hue Jackson insisted they do..then watched the Bears make sure no one, including the Browns, would move up to the #2 slot to draft Trubisky.

    Then Browns front office refused to move up to insure they would get a QB Hue Jackson liked, Mahomes..and they staying at #12 and watched the Chiefs spend the draft capital needed to move all the way from the #27 pick to #10 to take Mahomes ahead of the Browns.

    Then the Browns FO remained at #12, staring D. Watson..and they traded him away for a 1st round pick of the Texans in 2018. The Browns front office sure helped the Texans QB situation this year.

    Then the front office sat and waited for their #52 pick to come up and D. Kizer..everyone knew he needed time to mature as a QB. But with no veteran QB and two 2nd year QBs, Kessler and Hogan..Kizer proved to be the best QB on the roster.

    Hue Jackson got his players to buy in because he stressed that he was focused on winning games and would play his best players..and that is what Hue has done. The Browns front office is not focused on winning football games, while Hue Jackson and Greg Williams are doing their best with the talent this front office provided.

    YES, the front office and Hue Jackson are not focused on the same goals…Hue Jackson wants to win some football games…the Browns front office..NOT SO MUCH!

    An NFL General Manager expecting to work just 9-5 with the trade deadline less than 24 hours away, should expect to be relieved of his or her duties.

    jmho…

  15. You can’t use analytics in football the same was that it’s used in Baseball.

    You can use analytics in mostly everything in baseball because baseball is all about percentages and averages.

    Football is different. Football has more to do with instincts, intangibles, system fit, and flow of the game. A player’s ability and value to your team can not be quantified with numbers because he may have not fit in your system as he did in his previous system(s), and each game is it’s own entity so you really can’t use numbers to formulate certain game time decisions.

    Analytics has a place in football, but a very small space compared to baseball.

  16. Huey not getting along with the FO in Cleveland? What has changed since his situation with the Raiders? He got along with Lewis in Cincy; ask yourself “why”? Jackson is a leech attaching himself to another’s prominence because he has none of his own. I would definitely keep the computers running in Cleveland, but bring in a football GM. After all, a computer can only spit out what has been fed into it.

  17. The Browns went a step further bu hiring failed baseball geeks to run their football operation. I have been saying it would fail for two years and get thumbed down by loyal Brown fans who suckered into believing this ruse. Analytic’s is a tool in the shed not an end all.

  18. Once they hopped on this MoneyBall train, I knew the Browns were toast.

    The NFL has had a salary cap since the 90’s, and EVERY team has actual football people employed who do the math on things like player cost/production whether that relates to the salary cap or the draft.

    What they’ve done, unfortunately, is taken things way too far and they’re giving up a lot of opportunities to draft top-tier players because in their mind it’s better to have 2-3 middle-tier players… it is not. When you perform so horribly during the regular season that you earn a top 5 draft pick, 90% of the time the best thing for you to do is to stay put and draft that top tier player.

    Missed out on both Wentz and Watson with that mentality. Every single person in the front office in Cleveland should be fired at this point. Hell, the owner(s) should sell the team, even.

  19. The front office has turned into a joke. You have to start over with a seasoned executive team AND you have to get rid of Hue too. Hue has make a lot of in game decisions that make you want to throw a brick at the TV. If you switch the executive and not the HQ, then you have a coach that they did not pick which almost never works. Unfortunately and unbelievably we have to start over again with a new executive team and new HQ. Good thing we have all that money saved.

  20. .
    Two questions :

    1. If you are 63 millon under the cap, who gets the money at the end of the season?

    2. How bad do you have to be to go 1-23, playing a last place schedule out of the AFC North? That division is hardly “murderers row”.
    .

  21. Hue is clueless. I was on his side until I saw his management of the QBs. Its awful. His offense is terrible too. Just start Kessler hes the best it doesnt matter hes not 6-4. I used to back Hue but hes clueless and they need a new coach for this rebuild sadly. Cant judge a QB by only 200 passes attempts esp if you are constantly juggling them.

  22. There is a way this can work. If firing people worked, the Browns would have the best team in the NFL, because they fire the most people. The way it would work is what I think I’ve heard Hue Jackson saying the last couple years. They just need a football scout who can evaluate correctly. Let the analytics guys figure out how to accumulate a lot of picks, then have them back away and let a guy with a proven scouting background make the picks. There is nothing wrong with having more darts to throw than anyone else, but it would be nice if they had someone who knew how to throw a dart. Then they’d have the best of both worlds. They don’t need to fire anybody. They just need to bring in a smart scout. Good scouting has always relied on analytics, but it was done by knowing how to analyze college film, and apply it to the pro game. Trying to measure a guy’s arms, or see how high he can jump, or how fast he can run in gym shorts isn’t going to tell you anything. You can see on film whether or not a guy can run fast enough. The stopwatch is more misleading than helpful. Jerry Rice ran a slow time. Tom Brady was too skinny. Joe Montana didn’t have a strong enough arm. They looked great on film, and they were big time winners. Just analyze the film. That’s all Hue Jackson is saying. The Haslam’s obviously didn’t listen. Their habit of firing people every five minutes isn’t working. Everyone wants to talk about passing on Carson Wentz and Deshaun Watson, but the Browns could have had Dak Prescott in the 4th round. Whether you’re looking at film, or doing analytics, Prescott had everything. The only thing he lacked was the hype.

  23. bringbackkosar says:
    November 2, 2017 at 9:24 am
    Uh, what coach in their right mind would want the Browns job – then or now?
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    Jeff Fisher!

  24. Even though he’ll probably get fired too unless he miraculously turns the second half of this season around, Jackson kind of comes out of this looking like he he at least tried with what they gave him. The draft picks that he stood on the table for like Garret have looked good while what they pushed didn’t work out so well. For instance, I don’t think he stood up for Wentz like Garret, but I don’t think he was against him like the front office. They were the ones who went into interviews knocking him and now look silly in hindsight. We’ve all heard of the guys Jackson wanted after the Garret pick from either their own mouths or reports around the draft, not in hindsight. Then, you had the Britt for Prior swap, which has been a debacle no matter how you slice it. Then, this trade goof was probably the last straw for them as being incompetent because we know the only reason they were entertaining it was because of Jackson’s relationship with him, but the front office guys botched it.

  25. I think a lot of coaches would clash with their front office if the person with final say over their roster is a lawyer with no experience in scouting, talent evaluation, etc.

  26. charliecharger says:
    November 2, 2017 at 10:27 am
    Prescott had everything. The only thing he lacked was the hype.
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    Everything including a DUI arrest shortly before the draft. He was seen as a second rounder before then. Teams were wary.

  27. Analytics is simply the process of gleaning insight from information. It’s a tool, in a toolbox of many. Like any other machine generated insights, it requires context. It’s not a religion.

  28. lets be honest…you have to have a QB and they dont….thats a front office problem that in not in the predictive models they want to use…….they have to include themselves in the equation

  29. Analytics only works in football if the player first passes “the eye test”. When Belichick was deciding whether or not to trade for Brandin Cooks, he didn’t just look at a stat sheet. He watched film to see his route running, his ability separate, and how well he caught the ball in tight coverage. Analytics don’t account for those things. In baseball, “the eye test” doesn’t matter. There’s no contact, so the stats tell everything about a player and their habits. If Jackson is this upset, he should resign after the last game and give an interview detailing how truly dysfunctional the Browns really are.


  30. ajsjr40 says:
    November 2, 2017 at 11:14 am

    There isn’t a coach alive who could or would succeed in Cleveland. Even the best of his generation Belichick failed in Cleveland.’
    ….Bill Belichick was in the playoffs in 1994 and started 1995 3-1 before Modell announced moving the team.

  31. bringbackkosar says:
    November 2, 2017 at 9:24 am

    Uh, what coach in their right mind would want the Browns job – then or now?
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    Who wouldn’t want to be one of only 32 NFL head coaches?

  32. The prime problem of trying to apply analytics/statistics to football is sample size. Playing only a 16 game regular season there just isn’t enough data to make an informed conclusion. To increase the power of the sample you simply increase the sample size. I venture it would take a minimum of 3-4 years (48-64 games) to statistically evaluate a player. The average career last 3-4 years.

    Analytics may be of some help to basketball and baseball teams due to the large volume of games played, thus a large sample (and more sample power).

    Being a Browns fan since the Jim Brown/Paul Warfield days it saddens me to see how the Browns have fallen with no bottom in sight.

  33. Don’t forget, Moneyball doesn’t value offensive linemen as much as guys who generate fantasy stats. They let center Alex Mack go and the line went to crap. No offensive line, no stats.

  34. casualmalexlfan says:

    November 2, 2017 at 10:36 am

    I think a lot of coaches would clash with their front office if the person with final say over their roster is a lawyer with no experience in scouting, talent evaluation, etc.
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    The Philadelphia Eagles have the best record in the NFL and they have a lawyer calling the shots. His name is Howie Roseman, and they drafted Carson Wentz. The difference is Howie Roseman relied on the expert scouting evaluation of a good football scout, Joe Douglas. Roseman is smart enough to know what he can and what he can’t do. The Browns don’t have a Joe Douglas.

  35. The “Jocks” have always wanted to exclude the “Nerds” from the game, and certainly don’t want their instruction. But that doesn’t mean the “Nerds” are wrong…

  36. Analytics works far better in baseball because it’s a much simpler game–hitting and pitching are one-on-one matchups with very few variables. Football has tons of variables and experiments with multiple variables don’t reliably teach you anything. But on the plus side, the Browns are undoubtedly the best left-handed hitters in the NFL.

  37. “Who wouldn’t want to be one of only 32 NFL head coaches?”
    ____________

    Anybody in demand who believes they’ll get a shot coaching one of the other 31 teams, that’s who. You can always find SOMEBODY to take the job but it won’t be the guy you’d really like to have in the job.

  38. A pox on everyone there. Ownership is clueless. The front office is not football personnel or administration competent. And the head coach has proven that he really cannot handle the head coach role (at best he is an offensive coordinator), and has, in the past, a tendency towards being power hungry (wanting to be front office, too). This hasn’t worked well for CLE and they need to abandon it immediately. Hire a front office person with substantive experience, and then a head coach with the same.

  39. I suggest that Lurie serves as a mediating person in the organization, and that getting a better pro football coaching team that what they had has generally helped Philadelphia. It’s not all about Roseman. It’s not all about Pedersen, either. In fact, in some circles there are questions about whether Petersen truly has head coaching capability.

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    charliecharger says:
    November 2, 2017 at 11:29 am
    casualmalexlfan says:
    November 2, 2017 at 10:36 am
    I think a lot of coaches would clash with their front office if the person with final say over their roster is a lawyer with no experience in scouting, talent evaluation, etc.
    *****************************************
    The Philadelphia Eagles have the best record in the NFL and they have a lawyer calling the shots. His name is Howie Roseman, and they drafted Carson Wentz. The difference is Howie Roseman relied on the expert scouting evaluation of a good football scout, Joe Douglas. Roseman is smart enough to know what he can and what he can’t do. The Browns don’t have a Joe Douglas.
     

  40. When your gut is telling you to pick Cody Kessler and DeShone Kizer over Carson Wentz, Deshaun Watson, or Patrick Mahomes, your gut needs some Pepto Bismol to fix what’s wrong.

  41. Browns fans keep talking about a 5 year plan … This is not Football of the 70s-early 90s there is no 5 year plans now that CBA and FA are where they are. Take the Eagles for example 2nd year into rebuilding after Chip Kelly Took all talent from team and flushed it . Both sides of the ball had glaring holes.. but by next year year 3 they hsould all be prety much fixed.

    It starts with finding a QB you can build around. Even if you sit that QB for a year , you never pass on a chance to find a franchise QB … Browns year in and year out have passed on so many … The excuses ” That QB would not do so well here , We need players in other postions first … Browns have had some great draft postions since 1999 morethen any other team . ITs excuses to try and hide the fact they suck and should not be anywhere near a football team

  42. I don’t think the analytics is the problem.
    Jacksonville uses analytics a lot… Granted we’re no perennial powerhouse, yet… But we’ve compiled a pretty competitive team and a very good defense.

    Maybe… just maybe, Hue is to blame a little bit?
    I mean, he has flip flopped QBs during the season almost as much as the life of the franchise.

  43. The Browns are an idiot organization run by idiots. And apparently the owners are not too bright also. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing and that is exactly what the Browns organization which is zero wins for this football team.

  44. mogogo1 says:
    November 2, 2017 at 11:42 am

    Anybody in demand who believes they’ll get a shot coaching one of the other 31 teams, that’s who. You can always find SOMEBODY to take the job but it won’t be the guy you’d really like to have in the job.
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    It’s the ultimate job. If you fail, well, it was the Browns. If you succeed, you’ll be the coach of the century. They’ll name streets and schools after you.

  45. This is a bit crazy and I understand I’ll likely be down voted to hell, but I honestly think Chip Kelly would be a good fit for Cleveland. Analytics guy who’s known for making bad qb’s look above average. (Folk, Vick)
    Sure he flamed out in Philly and the 49ers were a mess, but let’s face it, expectations are pretty low in Cleveland. He could build a perennial 6-10 team and be the best coach they’ve had in over twenty years (other than some guy named Bill)

  46. The go to move of any failed coach: criticize the front office so that it is easier to get another chance somewhere else.

    There is no clash with the front office. Hue Jackson is either a terrible coach or is not a good enough coach for a young roster. Either way the front office has nothing to do with it.

  47. The issue is that the analytics available for football aren’t on par with those in baseball because it isn’t an individual game.

    Contrast this with some new analytics coming out of basketball that are based on player movement rather than statistics. Those are going to be revolutionary and will directly apply in football.

    Regardless, the analytics people are the ones who passed on Wentz and Watson. The analytics people offloaded several key players. Hue got handed a dog’s dinner and garbage is what has been produced.

  48. dunc89 says:
    November 2, 2017 at 10:12 am

    Year 2 of a complete tear it down rebuild. No such thing as patience in this world anymore.

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    Yes, because the players drafted in year 1 will start being restricted free agents in 2020. Sometimes even 2019 for lower round picks. In other words, you are on the clock.

    Also there was no reason to get rid of just about everyone decent on the roster.

    Notice all the people going… well if the Browns had Watson or Wentz… who would they throw to? Gee… I don’t know, the guys that Sashi and DePodesta used a lot of draft picks, and not the guys they decided to let go. It’s like people forget this.

    There’s bottoming out, and then there’s completely destroying your roster to then use your take on analytics to select people. First mover advantage isn’t there, everyone uses analytics to some degree.

    Meanwhile they not only said something to the effect they didn’t believe Wentz was a franchise QB, they passed on Watson.

    People also conveniently forget that in 2016, Dak Prescott was seen as a 3th-5th rounder, with some saying he might sneak up even higher. Cody Kessler was seen as a 6th-7th round pick.

    Well the smartest guys in the room decided not on Dak in a round that would not have been a reach, the 3rd round, they instead took Cody Kessler three to four rounds TOO HIGH.

    Not to mention from day 1 on the Browns, Josh McCown was ALWAYS their best QB. Hands down. But he got shafted. Now he’s getting a chance on another team, a not so good team, the Jets, and they are looking fairly decent.

    Also why would ANYONE think that the Browns are the place to do this sort of ‘rebuild’? The team that fires just about everyone after 1-2-3 seasons. Yeah.

    If there was ANY team in the league I thought that approach would be the WORST fit, it was hands down, the Browns.

    Finally, they haven’t rebuilt anything, they’ve only torn down. Sashi and DePodesta are incompetent morons. Typical ‘smartest guys in the room’ failure.

  49. November 2, 2017 at 9:21 am
    Sooooo, how is that whole Moneyball thing working out for you? You do know it’s just a movie, right? I trust Hue’s gut more than analytics.
    I think I will go form a NASCAR team and use Days of Thunder as a guide. Then wonder why it didn’t work.

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    its a movie based on true events that actually happened. however, it worked for just one season, its more of an anomaly than anything else.

    ——————-

    Actually the Red Sox used it around the same time as the A’s and it helped them win their first World Series in 86 years back in 2004 and 2 more since then, while staying competitive that whole time. Other teams like the Indiams and Cardinals have also used it with success. The system works well with baseball and b-ball to a lesser degree but has been a failure at the football level. Mainly because there is just not enough data/games to make sound statistical decisions, especially in a game that has so many variables.

  50. Haslam down ineptitude.Period!Bad decisions at the top snowball into what you are seeing with the Browns. Until Haslam decides to stay out of football decisions and actually hire a competent GM this will continue.

    The GM should be the only one reporting directly to the owner. Player and coaching decision should only be on the GM. Haslam should have faith in his hiring of GM and let that person do their job.Having to different factions in an organization with fundamentally different beliefs on how a team should be run and built is guaranteed to fail.

  51. Maybe Hue was hired because they knew he would lose and the could stockpile high draft picks. However, their use of those draft picks to date has been suspect at best.

  52. I just wanted to post the career stats for Hogan/Kessler/Kizer and someone tell me what the hell Hue is thinking not only making Kessler the 3rd QB but then juggling Kizer around frequently and eventually having him start.

    Kessler (138/214, 64.5% 88.6 Rating, 1501 yards, 6 TDs, 3 INT)
    Kizer: (111/213, 52.1%, 51.1 Rating, 1144 yards, 3 TDs, 11 INT)
    Hogan: (60/101, 59.4%, 61.5 Rating, 621 yards, 4 TDs, 7 INT)

    I get Kessler is shorter and with a weaker arm but is Hue seriously just looking at height and arm strength to name a QB? I think the FO purposely failed this trade because they didnt want to drop a 2nd and 3rd on McCarron when they just spent a 2nd and 3rd in back to back years on Kizer and Kessler. Kessler hasnt really been that bad either. Hue is just impatient and if he wins this power struggle its only a matter of time before the Bengals gets a couple firsts for Andy Dalton.

  53. If I was browns fans, i would stop going to games, buying merchandise and boycott the sponsors of that team. Only when the owner starts loosing money, he will make adjustments. Everything else is just for a show. Alternatively, he can seek further advise from local homeless shelter

  54. I’m a Ravens fan but even I’m starting to feel bad for Browns fans. Pettine and that front office was a good fit as head coach there and the team was improving.

  55. Of course the Browns should have seen it, but what about Hue? He interviewed for the job. I’d think in a thorough interview, he would have asked about their personnel strategy moving forward. Why did he agree to work with a philosophy he knew he didn’t believe in?

  56. BTW, Jimmy G is very thankful and faithfully saying his prayers with deep and great gratitude that he never ended up in Cleveland where the inmates run the team and where the sports press and fans have no clue what real football talent is and how to best use talented and skilled players.

    The Browns’ record of fultility speaks louder than anything else could.

  57. Still, you gotta love Kizer’s bravado. His Tom Brady QB numbers are negatively impressive, especially when compared to what other rookie QBs are doing.

  58. silvernblacksabbath says:
    November 2, 2017 at 9:41 am
    Never let Jonah Hill make decisions… NEVER! lol
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    Steve Madden…
    John Madden…
    Steve Madden…
    John Madden…

  59. Somebody in management needs to admit that there really is a curse, say it at a presser or to a reporter. The curse will then say “my work is done here” and will leave.

  60. When you lose 23-24 games, people start to CYA. So of course they would be clasing.

    IMO, They should pick up Tebow, Kaep or the Manz.
    Kaep is probably good enough to keep them from being winless this season.
    Tebow help fill in the seatss.
    Manz if they just want to party.

  61. The Browns can sign McCarron when he becomes a free agent and they don’t have to give up anything. I’m more worried about multiple Browns coaches whining via emails to a Denv media guy about the Scouting Dept leaving at 5 PM. Doesn’t the front office have cell phones and laptops?

  62. The coaches don’t like analytics because they speak truth … and when you coach based on “feelings,” then you probably shouldn’t be a head coach in the first place.

  63. Somebody said I am a Ravens fan and even feel sorry for the Browns. Well you are the Browns and the Patriots wouldn’t have 3 Super Bowls plus a couple of ** if it wasn’t for that owner who sold his soul for the Dollar. Including the Patriots 3 plus ** and the Ravens 1 that’s a cool 6 titles those two lucked into.

  64. I’ve been defending Hue (more in my own head than being a vocal advocate for him or anything) but the more I learn the more it seems both the front office and coaching staff are not good.

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