It’s been a good week for the Kaepernick collusion case

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While the actual proceedings have yet to commence, the Colin Kaepernick collusion grievance has gotten stronger this week, thanks to three different circumstances.

First, the Browns have made it clear that they’re still looking to upgrade the quarterback position, via their bungled effort to trade for Bengals quarterback A.J. McCarron. The Browns had interest in trading for Kaepernick last year, and current Browns coach Hue Jackson had interest in drafting Kaepernick six years ago, when Jackson coached the Raiders. Once the Browns traded for Brock Osweiler and drafted DeShone Kizer, they seemed to be out of the market for a veteran quarterback. It’s now clear that they aren’t.

Second, the Broncos have benched Trevor Siemian for Brock Osweiler, who continues to find gainful employment in the NFL despite being unloaded by Houston and cut by the Browns, who are paying him $15.225 million this year to not play for them. The Broncos had interest in trading for Kaepernick last year, and they have ignored him ever since then.

Third, the Packers pursued quarterback Brian Hoyer, more than two weeks after coach Mike McCarthy angrily dismissed the possibility of pursuing Kaepernick or any other quarterback to enhance the one-two punch of Brett Hundley and Joe O’Houlicallahan. Kaepernick on multiple occasions (and twice in the playoffs) rans and threw circles around the Packers. Hoyer has one career game against Green Bay, completing four of 11 passes for 49 yards before suffering a broken arm last year while playing for the Bears.

While ultimately the evidence will prove whether and to what extent an express or implied agreement to shun Kaepernick existed, the collective ongoing failure of the league to give Kaepernick a chance becomes more and more glaring, and the Browns, Broncos, and Packers have made it even worse for the league this week, and better for Kaepernick.

93 responses to “It’s been a good week for the Kaepernick collusion case

  1. 32 pedestrians carefully stepping around a large pile of dog dung on a sidewalk were investigated for collusion. It’s just too unlikely that all 32 would come to the decision independently.

  2. Dude, get off your soapbox. Just because individual teams are passing on this guy, it doesn’t mean the entire league is colluding. Seriously, Kaep’s skills aren’t all that great and nobody wants the distraction. You can’t sue someone for those reasons, he isn’t worth the drama.

  3. None of those 3 instances proves any collusion exists.
    Those teams simply went with or wanted better QB’s.

    Nothing more.

  4. I’m no lawyer like you but once he filed suit against the NFL how can any team hire him since the teams are the NFL?

  5. If Jerry Jones sends an email to Goodell saying Cap should be black balled, then he leaks the email somehow, the CBA will be dissolved, and Zeke gets to play?

  6. Let’s see 2/3 of all football fans despise Kaepernick and it’s collusion that makes no one want him on their roster? Good luck with that…

  7. I would argue that the owners are not in collusion; on the contrary each is secretly hoping a divisional rival would sign him and bring the circus home. Nothing disrupts concentration better than a distraction.

  8. To me this is a reach. Collusion is basically saying that all of the owners have explicitly come together to black-ball Kaepernick. You cannot win a collusion case just because the 32 individual teams and owners decide that they do not want the guy, even if the reason is not football related.

    For instance, 32 individual restaurant owners on the same block make their own decision not to allow pets in the facility, that is not collusion against pets or their owners. However, if those 32 restaurants had a meeting and said collectively that they were not going to allow it, then it crosses into collusion against said parties.

    Find me evidence of a conversation or meeting in which all of the owners consciously discussed and decided to keep Kaepernick out and then talk to me about a stronger case…

  9. I actually agree with this Kaepernick take for a change. And honestly, what team other than the Clowns would be the right spot for CK??? Time for the nfl and owners to force Hadley to bite the bullet and sign him, with the conditions including he drop the collusion case

  10. The collusion looks stronger because three teams have changed QB’s?

    That’s not evidence Florio.

    If that marks a good week for the Kaepernick collusion case, then it’s on legal life support.

  11. This is my thought on this…CK is a “Firebrand” for the whole anthem protest issue which riles up at least 30-40% of american voters and presumably 30-40% of paying fans as well. Would you as an owner want to tick off 30-40% of your fans over a QB that many talent experts see as a limited talent?

  12. This changes absolutely nothing. A few teams pursuing players who have been on active rosters, meaning they have been actually playing football recently, does not add anything to claims of collusion. It’s will be, rightly, viewed as purely incidental. Until Kaep can show documented proof that any owners agreed with any other owners to not sign Kaep he has no case.

    Man…just think if Kaep never would have rejected his option with the 49ers. Seems like this is all (gasp!) kind of his own fault.

  13. That’s not collusion. If signing a player can harm revenue… example: the loss of sponsors or season ticket holders, not signing that player is a good business decision, despite what said player can do on the field. Look at Ray Rice for example.

    not signing that player does not equate collusion.

  14. He was cut as the third round quarterback of San Francisco, one of the worst teams in the league. He hasn’t played for a year and is a massive distraction. I’m not sure what the mystery is.

    Kaepernick should go play football in Venezuela or Cuba where they have the dictators he admires. And it would be hilarious to see what would happen to him if he criticized the police while he lived in one of the dictatorships he loves so much.

  15. Just think of how many other players will use the collision excuse if Kaepernick wins this thing…Jarmarcus Russell should be using this as well

  16. Kaep quit on the last team he played for. What in the world does collusion have to do with anything? Nobody wants a quitter to lead their billion $$ franchise. Nobody does.

  17. He also had not been hired by any media organizations, even though many less qualified individuals have been and continue to be employed by said organizations. Is this also collusion?

  18. How Comie with Tebow this was ok, but with Kap it is Collusion?

    I know, Kap is better than Tebow, but Tebow could do better than some of the QBs being rolled out there every Sunday.

  19. What exactly makes this a ‘good week’ for that case. I read the article carefully twice and I dont see a single thing that helps that case. It still cant even get off the ground. Never could, never will. Too many things wrong with it even beyond being entirely based on one person’s sense of entitlement.

  20. 32 pedestrians carefully stepping around a large pile of dog dung on a sidewalk were investigated for collusion. It’s just too unlikely that all 32 would come to the decision independently.

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    Best analogy to date on here! Well said.

  21. teams get rid of players, or don’t sign players, all the time for reasons other than on field talent. Locker room atmosphere is a huge part of a winning formula. So here you have a tool that- as a back up qb mind you – intentionally disrupted a sacred ceremony on the field and singlehandedly divided an entire league and fan base.

    So why does it have to be “collusion” as the reason he’s not been hired?

  22. Where is the outrage for other players not in the league, i just don’t get Florio’s continued desire to pursue this agenda and side with CK. RG3 would be a better option if someone wants a mobile guy. At least he’s not a distraction and likely voted:)

  23. Just because no one wants to hire him, doesn’t make it collusion. He’s just unhireable. Too much off the field baggage, no different than Ray Rice or Tim Tebow; the media storm and surrounding attention would be too big of a distraction for any team to tolerate in exchange for whatever value he may bring, which could be negligible.

    But, like a good Democrat, the yarn will keep spinning, and the witch hunt will continue.

  24. the Colin Kaepernick collusion grievance has gotten stronger this week,
    ==================================================

    No it hasn’t. See,the problem when people like you in the media who have open biases and agendas is that you end up losing all credibility.

  25. In Teddy We Trust says:
    November 2, 2017 at 2:19 pm
    Kaepernick on multiple occasions (and twice in the playoffs) ran and threw circles around the Packers.
    _______

    Who hasn’t?
    ———————
    Teddy Bridgewater!

  26. Kap is still better that a number of starters in the NFL. to name a few 49ers, Jets, Bears, dolphins, Bills, Vikings, Bucs, Broncos, Packers, Browns, Cards, and yes some of these teams are trying to develop a starter but others Kap would be an immediate upgrade.

  27. wrlegrand says:
    November 2, 2017 at 2:24 pm

    Find me evidence of a conversation or meeting in which all of the owners consciously discussed and decided to keep Kaepernick out and then talk to me about a stronger case…

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    Thats whats missing here and even then the wording has to be explicit. For example if all the owners were in a room and the question came up if they had thoughts of hiring Kaepernick and all 32 said no then thats not collusion. Thats simply matching opinions. They need minutes showing that they took a vote that he should not get hired and then they all aggreed to follow the vote. They would really need some owner to say that they wanted to hire him but the other owners pressured him not to becuse it had been decided he wouldcstay out of a job. And even then the owners could argue that was their right as owners and might win.

    The fact that Seattle took a look at him and Baltimore was actually getting ready to sign him before his girlfriend blew that up are indicators that owners were not forbidden to give him a job. If this thing ever found its way to court (i doubt it has the legs to get that far) the NFL lawyers can be counted on to make use of those details.

  28. No proof of collusion. Just proof that GM’s and coaches don’t want a cancerous tumor in the locker room. I won’t watch a game in which he plays. Period.

  29. balt88 says:
    November 2, 2017 at 2:24 pm
    Let’s see 2/3 of all football fans despise Kaepernick and it’s collusion that makes no one want him on their roster? Good luck with that…

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    First you pulled that 2/3 number out from nowhere. Secondly what has it ever matter that fans despised a player enough to keep him out the league? Greg Hardy was still playing in the league when most fans despised him for a brutal domestic assault. That alone throws cold water on that. Michael Vick was in the league after serving time for felony animal cruelty….There have been a few players convicted of vehicular homicide after driving drunk…..

  30. Losers, loose. Winners (not Kaep), win. He had 15 minutes of fame. Why does this site continually try to turn it in to thirty minutes or beyond?

  31. whybotherifeverythinggetscensored says:
    November 2, 2017 at 2:19 pm

    That does not mean anything: They can still simply claim that they do not want to alienate their fan-bases, and do not want the distraction that would surely come from signing him. Not collusion.
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    Well, that certainly can’t be it, because the NFL is currently allowing a bunch of players to alienate its fanbase with the distraction caused by their pointless kneeling.

    At this point, Kaepernick would be the least of their distractions.

  32. voddyt says:
    November 2, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    The league should make the Pats sign him, simply for the entertainment factor of the first Belichick press conference.
    ——————–

    It would likely go the same as any press conference during the time that Tebow was there.

  33. The Kaep collusion stuff is total bull. It’s like saying when a player isn’t drafted until the 6th round that the NFL owners were colluding against him. Total nonsense!

  34. Wow…those circumstances are stretches AT BEST! Just because the old CK ran circles around the Packers 4 years ago before defensive coordinators figured him out does NOT mean Green Bay is obligated to sign him today! 4 years in the NFL is a career! And just because current teams in need chose other options either ON their current rosters or actively playing on another roster instead of signing a player who picked up a football in a year does NOT prove collusion. To say the reasoning above strains credulity is being generous.

  35. So, you’re positing the theory that all teams must bring him onto their rosters, then let him fail, in order to prove that they shouldn’t have brought him onto their rosters in the first place? Is Drew giving you a cut?

  36. Who wouldnt want to sign Kaepernick?

    1) Major distraction
    2) Probably wants 4-5 million to sign
    3) Constant source of distraction
    4) 3 wins, 16 losses over last 2 seasons
    5) “Coach, have you asked Colin if he will be kneeling during the anthem this week?”

  37. If the league/owners are truly colluding against Kaep, I hope he is able to prove it and win.

    That said, you’re grasping at straws here. None of the three instances you highlighted are even close to showing signs of collusion.

  38. As an owner, I would have the right to hire anyone who I believe has the ability to perform the job I hire them for. I would also be able to not hire someone if I thought their actions ran counter to the culture, or those actions distracted from the value of my team. No collusion, just good business practice. Not sure the NFL owners would need to have a secret meeting, conference call or exchange emails encouraging one another to NOT hire the guy. Especially when his skillset is so specific that it would only be successful when ran in an offensive system designed for that skillset.

  39. Down this tourist strip, all gas stations have prices that are exactly the same or within two cents per gallon of each other.

    Is this collusion?

  40. Question: If all owners find it ignorant that Keaperick referred to police as pigs on his socks and wore a shirt around with a murdering dictator on it, and on top of that, he stunk it up on the field, why must a team use him? Hardly any teams use a run / option offense and Kaepernick is terminally inaccurate, so why is in collusion?

    I think Riley Cooper has a stronger case of collusion.

  41. I do find it odd that the Cleveland dog piles who have a black coach would not stoop to add a black bellyaching player who hates the police as his QB – it would be a perfect fit.

    Maybe even black coaches can’t stand the stench of bellyaching players regardless of skin color.

    Huey already took a chance on another gimmick QB, the Great Gimmick of Washington, and learned that gimmicks don’t mean jack. Maybe Huey has realized he wants to lose with good and boring instead of alienating the rest of the fans that show up to pay that love America more than the Dog Piles.

  42. typical kneeler attitude…its not me, its you that’s the problem. you owe me something. its your fault things didnt go my way…whatever happened to personal responsibility?

  43. Others have made this point, but it simply amazes me the lack of understanding of the word collusion. Every team could announce publicly that they have big concerns about a guy who seems more interested in furthering his own agenda than contributing to a ball club. He’d be a distraction for sure and for what gain — a mediocre backup QB?!? The baggage is simply not worth it. All teams could announce some similar sentiment as above and it wouldn’t be collusion. In fact, the opposite of collusion is probably in play here. Each team is hoping that another team will take him; they just don’t want him.

  44. dalvar1001 says:
    November 2, 2017 at 2:45 pm
    Kap is still better that a number of starters in the NFL. to name a few 49ers, Jets, Bears, dolphins, Bills, Vikings, Bucs, Broncos, Packers, Browns, Cards, and yes some of these teams are trying to develop a starter but others Kap would be an immediate upgrade.

    49ers: he opted out of a contract and won only 1 game in 2 (partial)seasons.
    Jets: they already have a QB to help them tank.
    Bears: not going to sign Kaepernick when they gave up so much to move 1 spot for Mitch.
    Dolphins: the team is a hot mess, prior to the season Cutler had better overall numbers than Kaepernick.
    Bills: at best Kaepernick is a sidegrade.
    Vikings: your argument is he is better than a 3rd string QB leading a 6-2 team? They won’t bring in a distraction while things are still rolling.
    Bucs: Winston is better, please give me whatever you’re on.
    Broncos: burned a bridge here according to reports, refused a pay cut to be traded.
    Packers: perfect opportunity to see what Brett has, Rodgers may or may not be back.
    Browns: upgrade here, same result as his 49er final days.
    Cards: upgrade here, bar so set very low already, probably more of the same as his final 49er season(Ls).

  45. thegreatgabbert says:

    November 2, 2017 at 2:18 pm
    32 pedestrians carefully stepping around a large pile of dog dung on a sidewalk were investigated for collusion. It’s just too unlikely that all 32 would come to the decision independently.

    Quite possibly the greatest post in PFT history. I salute you, sir.

  46. CK was terrible last year. He has a specialized style, incompatible with offenses run in the NFL. Tebow also had a specialized, incompatible style. If CK had no baggage, a team might have signed him. His poor play last year, specialized style, and polarizing persona make him unemployable. NFL owners are rational to consider his polarizing persona. Signing him would alienate a sizable part of the fan base for any team except perhaps on the coasts.

    CK made a terrible decision to become a free agent. He voluntarily gave up the last year of his $14M contract. He was delusional to think that he would make good money as a free agent. At best, he would have been signed at $1M.

  47. Collusion is WAY harder to prove than this article implies. Take the Broncos example: Osweiler went like 5-2 as the starter during their Super Bowl year. Even if they had interest in Kaepernick at one time they’re not obligated to retain that interest months down the road. That would be like saying there was collusion against AJ McCarron if the Browns in a few months decide to go with somebody else as their QB.

  48. Kap is obviously better than a lot of paid players. But there’s much more than hiring someone for a job than having the best skill set. Kap will now be forever known for his protest, and that distraction is a huge deterrent. But then, so was Vick’s prison time, Roethlisberger’s rape payoff, all the DUIs, crimes and women beatings. And these people were still allowed to play.

  49. Huh? He’s an activist by choice. Not a pro football player. Activists are focused on activism not football! He needs money now to pay for Geragos who’s a L-a-L-a-Land lawyer who loves the publicity. No one, not even The Supreme Court can force a team to hire him.

  50. “It’s been a good week for the Kaepernick collusion case”

    Really? Does that mean we will never hear about this again? Because I think that is the only way it would be “a good week for the Kaepernick collusion case”

  51. i doubt owners are telling each other not to pick him up. If an owner doesnt want him because he thinks he would be bad for the team that same owner would be overjoyed to see one of his competitors take the plunge. Its just that all 32 guys feel that way.

  52. He sucks.. he sucked .. he screwed up .. he used his job as a voice for his displeasure with the world and he made a crucial error. A mistake hes paying for and will pay for moving forward from an NFL career perspective.

  53. Unless there is a smoking gun like an e-mail broadcast to all owners telling them NOT to sign Kaepernick, collusion is UNPROVEN. Arguing that Kaepernick has talent is irrelevant… because its a subjective statement. Collusion means that everybody decided to come together and agree to NOT sign the guy. No evidence of this.

    Moreover, if owners choose not to sign the guy because they don’t want to deal with the BS that follows him, then that is their own decision.

    Hey Florio… mind writing about something that everybody wants to read about? This BS is getting old.

  54. rconatser1 says:
    November 2, 2017 at 3:56 pm
    Kap is obviously better than a lot of paid players. But there’s much more than hiring someone for a job than having the best skill set. Kap will now be forever known for his protest, and that distraction is a huge deterrent. But then, so was Vick’s prison time, Roethlisberger’s rape payoff, all the DUIs, crimes and women beatings. And these people were still allowed to play.

    The same reason Vick, Roethlisburger, all the DUIs, and domestic cases got another is the reason that proves your first sentence incorrect. Those players who got second chances were all able to contribute at a high level. Look at Greg Hardy, he was dominant prior to his suspension, Cowboys took a chance on him and he was lack luster and is now gone. Look at Ray Rice, he was already starting to decline prior to his domestic abuse case. He didn’t get a second chance. Kaepernick doesn’t have the talent to overcome his issues…plain and simple.

  55. “…the Colin Kaepernick collusion grievance has gotten stronger this week, thanks to three different circumstances”.

    This assertion is based on the presumption that Colin Kaepernick has a right to a spot on an NFL roster. The one problem with this is that Kaepernick does NOT have a right to a spot on an NFL roster.

    It is not illegal for an owner to decide against signing a player if he believes that player will harm his product, which in this case, is his NFL team. Kaepernick has not apologized for his collective slandering of our nation’s law enforcement officers, nor for trashing the nation that helped make him a multi-millionaire. Any owner who is paying attention to this understands that signing a player with these public attitudes stands to bring repercussions that could cost the team financially. It’s worth remember that the very police officers who Kaepernick has publicly trashed are present at every NFL game. That does not go over well with middle class fans, and smart owners understand that.

    This article is wishful thinking, much like those articles pushing the Redskins to change their name.

  56. Why is this horse still alive?c No court in the world is going to find any hint of collusion is the 3 instances mentioned. Why can’t he just let this horse die. Enough of CK already. It’s gotten to the point where I don’t watch any NFL games except for the 2 I root for, and even then, I don’t tune in until after all the opening ceremonies are complete. I’m a season ticket holder and a veteran and I can’t stand to be in the seats when the kneeling starts. I keep hoping a veteran on the field during the Anthem will walk over and slap the crap out of the first kneeling player he sees. If I had the opportunity, I’d do it my self. All I can do is show my opposition the only way I can. With my wallet. I cancelled my season ticket (which, in reality, means absolutely nothing since the next person on the waiting list will jump on it). The teams gets no more of my money. Probably won’t matter at all, but I sleep better.

  57. That’s sounds like lawyer talk to get more money from clients. But anyway, this school of thought means there are actually 32 instances to prove collusion because all 32 teams need to fill starting and back up roles but no one is signing Kap. Heck, anyone can claim collusion at this point just because they’re not signed to a team.

  58. voddyt says:
    November 2, 2017 at 2:49 pm
    The league should make the Pats sign him, simply for the entertainment factor of the first Belichick press conference.

    ——————-
    You make an interesting point. Lets note sone things Belichick is known for
    1) Evaluating a players skills and determing how to make use of those skills. Even being creative about it.
    2j Making his decisions based entirely on what helps or hurts the team and not giving one hoot about who likes the decision or not.
    3) Studying every opponent, player, every detail remotely to do with football to great detail and thoroughness.

    So its a safe bet that when Kaep first became available Belichick pulled out everything he knew on Kaepernick (aka 1001 ways to beat him) and reviewed it plus all the video he had (this is the Patriots we are talking about so lots) looking for things that might have been useful. He would have been asking him self, “if I grab that guy can he help my team”. It can be guaranteed Belichick did that with Kaep (and every other qb available) again this week before pulling the trigger on Hoyer. And I think we all know that if Belichick saw net value for the team in signing Kaep he would do it without hesitation and everyone that did not like it could go pound sand. (Actually, he would not even care what they thought enough to think they can pound sand)

    As far as media….Belichick knows how to handle media so that would not even have been a consideration.
    “Coach, is Kaep going to stand for the Anthem this week”…”I dont know. You would have to ask him”.
    “Coach, is there any racial motivation why Kaeprnich is not starting over Brady”…Baleful stare and dead silence.

  59. the case didn’t get better…c’mon, you think the 32 teams are conspiring?…seriously? At best, they all have common sense, but there’s not some big email chain with all the owners agreeing to not sign him.

  60. Why in the heck does someone need to be hired. If I were an owner I would straight up say to the news. This kid is a distraction we do not want on our team. He made his bed now he has to sleep in it.

  61. For those who understand collusion surely understands it only takes two or more teams not all 32. “Collusion is an agreement between two or more parties”

  62. This argument makes zero sense….Just because a team has a opening at QB or wants to reshuffle their QB situation does not mean that Kap is a improvement over the decisions they choose. It is quite possible there is collusion for Kap…but trying to prove it is going to be hard unless one of the GM’s or the Owners for one of the teams out right says…. there is collusion, and it is verifiable. Otherwise it is just perception…and perception is not reality. It is crazy to me that this is even a thing, and it just goes to show just how ludicrous and out of touch with reality people are. This country is about free speech, but that free speech still has consequences especially at work. The other problem with proving collusion is they will have to prove that the NFL has something to gain but not employing Kap. It will be hard when each and every week there are protesters actively protesting …..It is clear whether you side with him or not that Kap is a PR nightmare for any team that signs him which can be a detriment to the franchise that picks him up….this is all the NFL will need to prove to the court to prove it isn’t collusion but a business decision.

  63. no it doesnt this is the full definition. tell me where you see group….

    “Collusion is an agreement between two or more parties, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair market advantage. It is an agreement among firms or individuals to divide a market, set prices, limit production or limit opportunities.[1] It can involve “wage fixing, kickbacks, or misrepresenting the independence of the relationship between the colluding parties”.[2] In legal terms, all acts effected by collusion are considered void.”

  64. Sooo ridiculous. Why doesn’t anyone complain RGIII collusion for not getting re-hired?? Look, any employer has the right to interview and make decisions based on a wide range of factors. Today, they will further look at what you do on Facebook and Twitter. If there are multiple candidates, I think you’d look at all factors. Kap has proven given his actions on and off the field that there are probably better candidates for the job and what the entire process entails as a QB in the NFL. Got Leadership?

  65. Can’t wait until we start our OWN league. Bit, you all won’t allow that! Wishing EVERY African American player just stop playing, give it all up. You got owners going around calling them inmates, next thing to slave!! Smh. He is derespecting any family. But every bad come on the field lay old glory down so the crowd can see, which is a complete violation of the flag code. You’re in violation of the flag code when you purchase t shirts, napkins, paper plates and cups, etc. But no one says anything. You don’t have a problem when the players support breast or any or organization. What’s wrong with protesting police brutality? He did not disturb the game. If you don’t want to see them kneel don’t watch. Doing anything else shows your true heart and feelings!

  66. Here’s a hint people — If Kaeprnick’s attorney filed a grievance alleging collusion, don’t you think he has some EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION. Examples —

    1) Testimony from Kaepernick’s agent about what he has been told by teams he approached

    2) Email traffic someone accidentally hit “Reply all” on, or forwarded to the wrong person

    3) A leak of texts, emails, memos, etc.

    Note the list of owners he is intending to call . . . Jerry Jones and Bob McNair being included. Neither team has been in need of a QB, so what could they possibly add to the debate on the issue of collusion? How about what kind of pressure they might have applied to teams seeking to sign Kaepernick?!

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