Packers’ defense showed Aaron Rodgers’ injury is not the only problem in Green Bay

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The absence of Aaron Rodgers was not the Packers’ only problem on Monday night.

Also a problem was Green Bay’s defense, which couldn’t stop the Lions.

Detroit only had eight offensive possessions. Those possessions went 71 yards for a touchdown, 34 yards for a missed field goal, 91 yards for a touchdown, 50 yards for a field goal, 20 yards ending with a fumble, 63 yards for a field goal, 75 yards for a touchdown and 33 yards for a field goal. The Lions were the first team in a year to go a full game without punting.

The Packers nearly held the Lions to a three-and-out on their opening possession, but a post-play penalty on Green Bay’s Mike Daniels gave Detroit a first down after a third-down incompletion. After that, Green Bay provided little resistance to Matthew Stafford & Co.

Green Bay’s defense let Drew Brees throw for 331 yards in the first game with Brett Hundley starting in front of Rodgers, then let Stafford throw for 361 yards last night. It’s going to be awfully hard for Hundley to keep up if opposing quarterbacks keep carving up the Packers’ secondary.

70 responses to “Packers’ defense showed Aaron Rodgers’ injury is not the only problem in Green Bay

  1. It’s to easy to make fun of GB, it’s not even fun anymore. They have much bigger issues than just losing Rodgers.

  2. I just reinforces how much a Hall of Fame quarterback means to a team. Also how he can cover up glaring issues of the team. The packers are a 3 win team without Rodgers.

  3. Opposing teams don’t feel the pressure to score without Rodgers on the other side. Rodgers helped the defense, and it shows without him in there. McCarthy needs to open up the offense. Throw deep and if it doesn’t work, at least it looks like you tried. Trying to have Huntley manage a game with a horrible defense backing him up will not work.

  4. The true definition of a franchise QB is how does the team perform without him there. Packers are a 2 win team without Rodgers, Pat’s are 15-6 without Brady.

  5. Well, time to dwell on the past Cheese fans. It’s all you got going for you these days.

  6. I’ve been saying to get rid of Capers for the last Three years. With out AR everyone will be exposed.

  7. McCarthy has always been overrated. He rode Favre’s and Rodgers to success. The NFC championship game a few years back proved this. Give him a mediocre QB and he’s Indianapolis.

  8. The problem is Green Bay. We should move the team to Milwaukee. Or some place better.

  9. Hello…It’s been a problem for years, Rodgers is good enough to make up for it and pull out games. If we had a half a**ed D we would definitely have another SB by now….So frustrating.

  10. wib22 says:
    November 7, 2017 at 8:54 am
    rodgers > brady

    Patriots are a playoff team without brady

    Packers aren’t.
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    The Patriots went from one play away from a perfect season to 11-5 and missing the playoffs without Tom Brady. So, there’s facts and stuff.

  11. “Also a problem was Green Bay’s defense, which couldn’t stop the Lions.”

    The Packers defense is bad. No argument there.

    But when your offense can’t stay on the field for any length of time, the defense wears out.

    The Packers defense was on the field for nearly 37 minutes.

    The offense was 2 of 9 on 3rd down conversions and 0 – 2 of 4th down conversion. Putting the defense in a hole doesn’t help.

  12. Wait WHAT!!?? I been told that the Packer D is the most underrated D in the NFL. That Shay Matthews and his locks of hair where the best in the NFL??!! Now I have to rethink my trust in Packer fans…let alone my knowledge of football. CURSE you Packer fans.

  13. Defense? What defense? The D has been worse than awful under Capers. Yet, the Good ‘Ol Boy network in GB refuses to change. And, when you add incompetents like Mark Murphy and Ted Thompson to the mix, it’s no wonder why GB is doomed.

    If I were Aaron Rodgers, I’d demand a trade.

  14. Obviously, very disappointed in the way the game played out last night.
    As I’ve said in previous posts, there are going to be a few growing pains with our new QB.
    Brett’s youth and inexperience is showing, but it doesn’t help that McCarthy has failed to let up on the reigns a little.

    I understand drawing up some of the dunking and dunking plays here and there, but Jett sweeps and bubble screens will only get you so far. And with defenses crowding and attacking the line of scrimmage it’s becoming a pointless exercise in futility.
    This is a vertical team and there’s simply too much talent being wasted on offense.
    At some point you have to realize that Hundley’s your quarterback this season and let him loose.
    Live or die with him.

    Defense is still a mess and has huge strides to make up.
    Poor tackling and dumb mental mistakes are killing them.
    Will this be the season Capers finally wears out his welcome?
    I certainly hope so.

    Fortunately, nobody has seized control of the division yet and at the halfway point there’s still ground to gain.
    On to Chicago which should be another spirited battle.

  15. Fact – the year after when Brady came back they were 10-6.

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    packzilla says:

    The Patriots went from one play away from a perfect season to 11-5 and missing the playoffs without Tom Brady. So, there’s facts and stuff.

  16. I would invite the many people in this thread who are throwing Capers under the bus to rewatch this game. Watch the packers defensive series’ and determine what you would do differently based on the personnel available to you. Watch how many times Capers, in a desperate attempt sends six and sometimes seven players after Stafford.

    And watch as every time the lions offensive line maintains the pocket.

    The strength of the packers defense is the middle with two stout interior linemen and two inside linebackers that are strong against the run. And they did exactly what they’re capable of in shutting down the Lions run game. Lions averaged 2.2 yard a carry for the game and they forced the Lions into 3rd and long situations all night.

    The problem is PERSONNEL. You cannot win in this league with an average to below average secondary and a complete absence of a pass rush, even when blitzing. The packers have nobody that can get to the quarterback and they do not have the kind of secondary that can cover a WR corps for 3+ seconds per play.

    So again, I ask the people throwing Capers under the bus: What would you do in those 3rd and long situations that the Lions consistently converted on? What should capers have called?

  17. Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that the Packer fans here were bragging about how much better their defense was than the Vikings’ mediocre defense?

    I see people are still blaming Dom Capers, like they have for years. I’ll admit that Capers doesn’t seem to be very good at his job, but it’s clear that there is also very little talent on that side of the ball. They might have three or four players who could start on a solid defense.

    Interesting that only Gerbschmidt is still here carrying the flag for the delusional Packer fans.

  18. If the Browns team that played the Vikes shows up against GB, Browns win big. The Browns defense is solid, so GB won’t put many points up.

  19. Most of us Packers fans have been saying this for years and that there is one consistent thing when the Packers lose and that is more often than not the horrid defense. And personally think the blame lies in a perfect storm of subpar talent (or talent that doesn’t fit the scheme), injuries and terrible coaching.

    As all of us Packers fans know sweeping changes is not their way of doing business but I do think a rebuild defensively is desperately needed. And that has to start with Capers and how defensive talent is evaluated.

  20. I disagree with the comments about poor coaching too. If you honestly look at it they probably have done a pretty decent job. The problem is penny pinching by the people who make the personal decisions. With the revenue teams generate there’s no reason for that in today’s NFL. Being a “small market” team has nothing to do with it. The Packers could play out of Superior and they’d still make 100’s of millions a year.

  21. I always said that Packer fans should be wondering why Rodgers has to lead so many last minute comebacks or put up a hail mary at the end of games. Instead of gloating about him, maybe look at why you are not in a position to run the clock out at the end of the game. The defense has been trash for years, you are just forced to actually notice it now.

  22. I see people are still blaming Dom Capers, like they have for years. I’ll admit that Capers doesn’t seem to be very good at his job, but it’s clear that there is also very little talent on that side of the ball. They might have three or four players who could start on a solid defense.
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    There is good young talent on that defense.

    HHC-D.. 2nd team All-Pro last year
    Blake Martinez has been exceptional this season
    Josh Jones and Kevin King are playing well
    Kenny Clark is a player

    Not one of those guys is over 25.

    Mike Daniels is their best player on D, he’s only 28.

    They have good peices. Dom can’t put them together in his tired and exposed scheme.

  23. wafflestomp says:

    This is a vertical team and there’s simply too much talent being wasted on offense.
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    Clearly you banged your head on something before typing this up.
    The offense has ZERO talent beyond Rodgers.

    How’s the packer off season going for you?

  24. sadviking says:
    November 7, 2017 at 10:24 am
    I feel Rodgers has made his case for MVP this year. The guy is apparently a one man team.
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    There is no doubt Rodgers is MVP for the packers.

    If Rodgers could get to super bowls I would agree he could be the league MVP. But even Rodgers isn’t good enough to get this team beyond round 2 of the playoffs.

    So I still disagree on Rodgers being considered an NFL hall of Famer at this time.

  25. The problem is PERSONNEL. You cannot win in this league with an average to below average secondary and a complete absence of a pass rush, even when blitzing. The packers have nobody that can get to the quarterback and they do not have the kind of secondary that can cover a WR corps for 3+ seconds per play.

    So again, I ask the people throwing Capers under the bus: What would you do in those 3rd and long situations that the Lions consistently converted on? What should capers have called?
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    The absence of a pass rush is the biggest problem on this D, I agree.

    My question for close to a decade now; what IS Dom’s role in personnel? Is HE picking these guys? Not literally, but is he scouting and saying I need X type of player, then not getting it? Or is he saying, get me this guy, then failing to succeed with his players on the roster.

    Sadly, I don’t think we’ll ever know the answer.

    .. I agree that personnel has been a huge problem. Way too much square peg/round hole (Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy.. ect) But I see solid talent on this D for the first time in awhile.

    I don’t see why this defense can’t be more competitive. Not top 10. But closer to 15 than 30.

  26. The offense has ZERO talent beyond Rodgers.
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    Bak is an A-level left tackle (top rated pass protector by PFF last year)

    Adams was having his career year before Rodgers went down.

    Nelson is aging, but still a playmaker.

    .. nowhere close to 2010/2011, but still a solid offense.

  27. aarons444 says:
    November 7, 2017 at 10:36 am
    Why does Aaron Rodgers only have 1 Ring, instead of being Lord of the Rings?

    Ernest Dominic Capers.

    5 0 Rate This

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    Nope. TED THOMPSON

  28. bondlake says:
    November 7, 2017 at 9:22 am
    Defense? What defense? The D has been worse than awful under Capers. Yet, the Good ‘Ol Boy network in GB refuses to change. And, when you add incompetents like Mark Murphy and Ted Thompson to the mix, it’s no wonder why GB is doomed.

    If I were Aaron Rodgers, I’d demand a trade.

    29 1 Rate This

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    Nailed it. My Packers buddy has told me that Murphy and Thompson are “joined at the hip”, which may be why they have not been called out by the fans as of yet. It seems like most Packers fans are googly eyed over Rodgers and Thompson, while looking to scapegoat (Capers) elsewhere.

    I laughed when they were forced to resign Nick Perry due to so many defensive draft busts in recent years. Perry took Thompson to the cleaners. The guy is decent, but in no way worth that contract.

    That’s one example of many.

  29. In Teddy We Trust says:
    November 7, 2017 at 10:12 am
    Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that the Packer fans here were bragging about how much better their defense was than the Vikings’ mediocre defense?
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    Nope. Never happened.

    Fake News.

  30. You have good years and you have bad years. This, although rare, is a bad year. If I died tomorrow I’d die happy with everything the Packers have given me as a devoted fan. Not too many fans of too many teams can make that statement, not in the North Division at least with the possible exception of Bears fans. It is what it is. It’s not the end of the world, and the season is not over yet. I can still watch the Vikings crash and burn.

    We got that going for us.

  31. I would like to know why no one has addressed the 500 pound gorilla in the room? Why is there no talk of an overrated and definitely overpaid Clay Matthews? This team defensively needs a true leader. We definitely have not had that leader since the parting of Woodson. Bottom line, defense has not had pass rush pressure since Clays first couple of years. Since then, Aaron Rodgers has been the great concealer of this issue, keeping opposing offenses off the field. And more so, when they are on the field they are in a position where they have to score touchdowns as opposed to field goals to keep up.

  32. This hurts but we all saw the writing on the wall. Mike said not to long ago he was a success coach. No not really just two hall of fame QBs to mask his poor play calling but really he is not the problem.

    Its Ted Thompson, his draft and develop theory isn’t working because you can’t develop speed and that defense is slow.

    Dom doesn’t have the tools to get it done but his coaching of ball awareness is terrible.

    All three need to go for a fresh start. Heck the board needs to scrub the whole front office and start over.

    Go Pack GO… next year cause this one is over.

  33. stellarperformance says:
    November 7, 2017 at 11:34 am
    In Teddy We Trust says:
    November 7, 2017 at 10:12 am
    Wasn’t it just a few weeks ago that the Packer fans here were bragging about how much better their defense was than the Vikings’ mediocre defense?
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    Nope. Never happened.

    Fake News.
    ________________

    Exhibit A, from the week before the Bears played the Vikings:

    stellarperformance says:
    October 5, 2017 at 10:21 pm

    This kid is lucky he’s facing a defense not yet ranked in the top ten, unlike the defense the Bears faced with the Packers at #6. He should have an easier time of it than his predecessor did against the Pack.

    Ever since last season when all the Viking players quit on Zimmer to do their own thing, they just haven’t been the same. I think they all quit on Zimmer this year too and they’re still doing their own thing.

  34. I would like to know why no one has addressed the 500 pound gorilla in the room? Why is there no talk of an overrated and definitely overpaid Clay Matthews?
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    Same with Capers and McCarthy. The secret is out for Packers fans, and has been for awhile. He’s GROSSLY overrated at this point.

    Sad part is, he USED to be invisible beacuse teams could double him and take him out of games. NOW, 8 times out of 10, if you see him on a play, he ran himself up field and out of it.

    .. If they had another marginal pass rusher, I’d like to see him slide back inside. They just don’t have that luxury though.

  35. Defense? What defense? The D has been worse than awful under Capers. Yet, the Good ‘Ol Boy network in GB refuses to change. And, when you add incompetents like Mark Murphy and Ted Thompson to the mix, it’s no wonder why GB is doomed.
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    Continue to blast Ted Thompson. Fine. Few will object at this point.

    But go back and take a look at the Stadium District 10 years ago compared to today.

    Mark Murphys run has been an overwhelming success, and his moves have guaranteed financial future of the Green Bay Packers for at least another 20 years, possibly more.

    And you can try to say he rode others coattails. Bob Harlan, Ron Wolf, Mike Holmgren, Brett Favre… whomever. Fact is, Murphy was signing the checks.

    It appears its time for change. Its important to get it right with Rodgers career hanging in the balance. But the organization is far from doomed. Aside from your team, they’re in as good a shape as anyone provided they make the right changes.

  36. I laughed when they were forced to resign Nick Perry due to so many defensive draft busts in recent years. Perry took Thompson to the cleaners. The guy is decent, but in no way worth that contract.

    That’s one example of many.
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    Perry has 15 sacks in the last 21 games.

    I don’t like the contract. I didn’t like the signing. But the simple fact is, he’s their best pass rusher.

    .. and he’s the type of player that would have signed with Seattle, or Atlanta, and had a 15-sack year. Then we’d be whining about how he got away.

  37. This is where we need Bob McGinn and his article filled anonymous sources regarding the Packers situation.

    What do other teams think of this mess?

    Just how bad are they?

  38. aarons444 says:
    November 7, 2017 at 10:58 am

    The absence of a pass rush is the biggest problem on this D, I agree.

    My question for close to a decade now; what IS Dom’s role in personnel? Is HE picking these guys? Not literally, but is he scouting and saying I need X type of player, then not getting it? Or is he saying, get me this guy, then failing to succeed with his players on the roster.

    Sadly, I don’t think we’ll ever know the answer.

    .. I agree that personnel has been a huge problem. Way too much square peg/round hole (Datone Jones, Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy.. ect) But I see solid talent on this D for the first time in awhile.

    I don’t see why this defense can’t be more competitive. Not top 10. But closer to 15 than 30.
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    We may not know the answer to that question, but you’re absolutely right in the answer does significantly impact Capers’ level of culpability.

    I would never argue that there isn’t solid talent in spots. Up the middle, this is a strong defense. Daniels is a very nice player, Clark is already a good player in his young career and rapidly improving. Both starting ILBs are very strong against the run. The packers absolutely have a foundation to build on.

    But that makes for a one dimensional defense. Last night was a classic example. They shut down the run. But when it comes to 3rd and long, they had no answer. There’s an absence of quality edge rushers on this team and when you can’t bring pressure, even when sending 6 and sometimes 7 guys last night, there’s not much a defensive coordinator can do.

    How many otherwise average defenses look great when they’re able to produce a lot of heat on the QB? And vice versa.

    I just don’t see a lot of glaring problems with Capers’ philosophies or play calls. Year after year, I see him getting a fair return on the talent that’s on the field.

  39. Colin Cowherd was saying this morning how Erin should jump off of the sinking ship. He agreed with what everyone has been saying that management has been riding the talent of the QB and let the talent get stripped from the rest of the team. Erin has no time for a rebuilt team or a new coaching staff and could be better off going to a good team in need of a QB and still get big cash.

  40. gtodriver says:
    November 7, 2017 at 6:11 pm
    @Teddy

    Thanks for exposing Stella for being the ultimate liar on PFT.
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    He has been exposed in here over and over lying again and again yet he keeps not only doing it but telling the same lies like the people that read these comments do not have two eyes and a brain. SMH. I almost think he believes his lies and they are just part of his I am a better person because I cheer for the Packers beliefs.

  41. A lot of Packer fans complaining about the coaches. Aren’t they the owners? If you’re an owner get rid of the guy. No, no you only have a piece of paper that someone fleeced you into to make you think you had a say in a really bad team.

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