Jerry Jones wants “unprecedented accountability” of the Commissioner

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At a time when the team he owns could use some enhanced accountability, Cowboys boss Jerry Jones wants even more of it from the guy who runs the sport.

“To sum it all up, what I want of all is I want accountability, more accountability [from the Commissioner],” Jones said after Sunday’s loss to the Eagles, via Brandon George of the Dallas Morning News. “I want unprecedented accountability to the ownership. That simple.”

It’s simple in concept, difficult in execution. Jerry Jones and every other owner voted to give the members of the Compensation Committee essentially a blank check to fill out however they see fit when negotiating a new contract with Roger Goodell, Jones has plenty of work to do in order to undo what already has been done.

That work has, to date, caused Jones to incur the wrath of multiple owners, some of whom want to see the league impose real sanctions against him. Jones insists, however, that he’s acting not to the detriment of the league but to its benefit. He made general reference to that notion during halftime of Sunday night’s game, when he received his Hall of Fame ring and addressed the crowd at the stadium he owns.

“What I’ve tried to do with every breath is to make the Dallas Cowboys better, and to make the NFL better,” Jones said. “That’s what I try to do and that’s what I’m going to do.”

Whatever he’s going to do, the mainstream media has become infatuated with the Goodell vs. Jones kerfuffle; Jerry’s comments from intermission became the basis for a Daily Mail story with a headline that suggests Jones “blasted” Goodell publicly. (It was hardly that.)

Regardless, everyone is paying attention to how this one plays out, and no one quite knows how it will. More importantly, the other owners don’t know whether this is a one-time play from Jones, or whether it’s the new normal. If it’s the latter, get ready for a lot more Daily Mail stories about Jerry Jones.

104 responses to “Jerry Jones wants “unprecedented accountability” of the Commissioner

  1. Brady: provided all emails, offered phone logs, in 2yr $5M salty evidence-free case regards 0.5psi!
    Jerrah: Brady was lying, uncooperative, hiding stuff, can’t do that, throw the book at him!!!

    Zeke: gave incomplete logs & redacted texts with no substance of his contact in an abuse case.
    Jerrah: Zeke gave them everything, nothing to hide, got railroaded, throw the book at Goodell!

  2. Michael E says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:14 am
    Goodell will not get a new contract.

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    Yes he will. But a JJ owned team will not win another SB

  3. Michael E says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:14 am
    Goodell will not get a new contract.

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    It will be announced on Dec. 12th, the day before the owners meeting. I called this last night. The Cowboys were absolutely embarrassed on national TV and Jerry was going to take it out on Goodell today.

    Which QB had a worse day yesterday, rookie Nathan Peerman or Dak Prescott? Jerry wants the ability to personally veto player suspensions, plain and simple. He wants to make sure his players are never suspended again without his say so which means his stars will never be disciplined.

    Anyone who thinks this goes beyond his desire to see Zeke play is letting their Goodell hate cloud their judgement.

    If the owners take direct control, they will lose their shield. It’s hard to hate the commissioner when he can say, talk to Jerry, he’s the one who made the call. Goodell is generally there to step in front of the bullets heading for the owners. Noone other than Jerry wants the commissioner to not have to take those bullets.

  4. streetyson says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:26 am
    Brady: provided all emails, offered phone logs, in 2yr $5M salty evidence-free case regards 0.5psi!

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    He offered meta data from his phone, not the actual texts and the league had no power to compel people to turn over their actual texts. Huge difference.

  5. We all knew that Jerry would be throwing even more of a tantrum due to his team getting blown out last night. Meanwhile it’s his own fault for A) Drafting players with character issues and B) Not building any depth as the GM

  6. Jones is 100% right. The Commissioner should be held accountable by the owners. After all, they are the ones who pay him.
    And let’s get real, here. Anyone who doesn’t think that the guys who foot all the bills should not have control of things isn’t being realistic. Name any other business where the owner(s) doesn’t have control of their business.
    And Goodell has been the model of inconsistency. He can’t even get disciplining players or owners right.
    But the owners today are their own worst enemies. The fact that this guy is even mentioning he wants to be paid 50 million dollars a year is a joke. For what? Don’t give me how much money the owners make as the reason. Pete Rozelle and owners like the late Wellington Mara, Art Rooney, Al Davis, George Halas, and Lamar Hunt are the reason the NFL is where it is today.
    Goodell has been a total buffoon as Commissioner. The fact that the Pats and Raiders played in Mexico last night and play games in London are two of a long line of reasons why he couldn’t care less about the fans or players.
    I refuse to watch any games which are played outside the U.S. and I wish all NFL fans would do the same thing. Make the tv ratings so horrible for these games that the networks refuse to televise them.
    And truthfully, it’s the fans who are the real dopes, and I include myself in that, or at least used to. I refuse to go to the games anymore because I refuse to pay the exorbitant prices they charge. I stopped going when the seat licensing fees were implemented and a friend of mine whose family had season tickets at Shea since the 60’s and then Giants Stadium for Jets games had to turn in his tickets because he couldn’t afford the seat licensing fees. I also refuse to buy any NFL merchandise now.
    The only thing I admit I’m stupid for doing is I still buy the NFL package on Directv, but since I find myself watching less and less NFL stuff, I could see myself ending that, too. I also quit watching all NFL pre and post game stuff and I won’t watch all these dopey NFL shows with the airheads on them, either.
    Think about it — if we fans stopped going to the games all over the country, the owners would have heart attacks. What a message that would send to them — and the players —
    about how fed up with the way the game has been ruined in many ways we fans are. But, the chances of that happening are slim and none because the fans will continue to fill the stadiums and then cry and whine about the product they see on the field.
    So next time you scream about the Commissioner, the officials, the players or the owners, look in a mirror. Because you are part of the reason they are getting away with what they are doing. You and I ultimately have total control over them, but we don’t choose to use it. After all, we are the ones who really foot the bill.

  7. eagleswin says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:31 am
    streetyson says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:26 am
    Brady: provided all emails, offered phone logs, in 2yr $5M salty evidence-free case regards 0.5psi!

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    He offered meta data from his phone, not the actual texts and the league had no power to compel people to turn over their actual texts. Huge difference.

    Ugh. The nfl had all the texts from the recipients and told brady they no longer needed his phone. He destroyed it (which looked bad) and then they used that action as a reason to uphold the suspension. Brady was no required to turn over anything from his personal phone per the collective bargaining agreement and the players’ lawyers advised him not to. Brady must’ve been worried about data unrelated to the case being released. You forget brady’s text about manning was leaked (not meta data) “I’ve got another 7 or 8 years. He has 2. That’s the final chapter. Game on” I guess brady was right that the nfl wouldn’t protect his privacy.

  8. eagleswin says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:31 am

    streetyson says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:26 am
    Brady: provided all emails, offered phone logs, in 2yr $5M salty evidence-free case regards 0.5psi!

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    He offered meta data from his phone, not the actual texts and the league had no power to compel people to turn over their actual texts. Huge difference.
    _________________________________________

    In Brady’s case the logs made clear he was not in regular contact with Jastremski and McNally orchestrating some vast conspiracy and that was the entire point, with no contact there were no texts to turn over.

  9. .
    Jerry has some points. It’s not just about Goodell’s 50 million (more than Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady combined). It’s also about a league office that acts like pigs at a trough. Do you think league lawyers and Goodell yes men Pash and Gardi should be paid 8 million (as much as Gronk)?
    .

  10. Jones is in the right here. Much has changed over the past 8 months when owners unanimously voted to complete Goodell’s contract. The league is faltering under Goodell’s leadership, especially since that vote, and further discussion is warranted.

  11. “Unprecedented accountability”

    In this case it means that Jerry want to be able to treat Goodell like a normal employee….that he can fire every time that person says or does something he doesn’t like.

  12. As much as we would like to see Jerry removed as owner of the Cowboys, he is right about Goodell. Just looking at all the issues Goodell has played a hand in, he has over exercised his authority as commissioner without anyone checking him, yet he’s paid to work for the owners. The power has gotten into Goodell’s head and that needs to stop.

  13. Where was all this outrage when the Brady/DeflateGate saga was going on?

    Look, we get it! Jerrah’s is pissed because of the Ezekiel Elliott thing. If it wasn’t for that, he wouldn’t be asking for Goodell’s head on a platter.

    Make no mistake about it: in terms of leadership, Goodell’s not doing much. He managed to alienate two of the league’s most influential owners, which takes some doing, yet he still managed to fill the owner’s pockets. But this is beyond Goodell’s work… this is just personal.

  14. Let’s look at this as fans of football and not a fan of a particular team. Jerry is the owner of one team and his decisions affect that one team. Like him or not (and most don’t)he is one of 32 owners and his team brings in tons of revenue that benefit all players.
    Now lets look at Goodell. His decision’s affect every team. How has the NFL for fans improved since he has been commissioner? he has been bad for the league in the sense that fans have had it with him and the fans drive the revenue from ticket and merchandise sales.
    And now he is making demands for $50M, private plain, etc,..
    Do you think the fans reactions to giving him what he wants is going to turn things around?
    It will make it worse!

  15. It’s not just about Goodell’s 50 million

    Except that was never a real thing…as other outlets are reporting.

  16. Jerry Jones is in full meltdown mode. I do not think his concerns reflect any actual worry for the state of the NFL

    I think it is all about his own ego. Jerry honestly believes he is the most important owner. The most important owner should be able to tell the commissioner to go easy on his own players in matters of league discipline. Now he found out he can’t.

    Jerry is fine with the league suspending Brady over flimsy evidence. He is fine cutting a backup WR that isn’t actually guilty of any crime and then doubling down on cutting him.

    But to punish one of Jerry’s star players? No way. His entire world is falling apart. And yeah, he almost certainly got Papa Johns to complain, which got them more backlash than they wanted, although they did get more nazis to eat their pizza.

    I mean, when the Cowboys were in their early 1990s dynasty with Troy Aikman–they was a crazy ass team–they partying like maniacs–up to the point, RT Erik Williams injured his knee in a car accident post “white house” party. That’s what they called their party house at the time.

    Jerry is going to take this to the limit. If he loses the Cowboys, is Jimmy Johnson buying?

  17. some people are in denial.. Jerry Jones’ only problem with Goodell is that one of his players is the one being suspended. fine if you hate goodell but realize everything he has done has been at the behest of the owners.. and if E. Elliot had a video of his actions come out after a weak punishment you’d be calling for his head as well. A history of sexual harassment and assault from this young man makes it hard for a unbiased person to think he is free of blame

  18. Wells asked Brady’s representative to do a search on his phone with keywords like deflation, psi, ball pressure etc. Brady refused. Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone. In fact Wells said he trusted Brady’s reps to perform the search and turn over texts with the key search words. Providing logs of texts is worthless because the NFL has no subpoena rights to these people. Therefore Brady not only didn’t fully cooperate he lied about knowing McNally and his game day responsibilities. The Patriots didn’t fully cooperate either.

    And Elliott didn’t fully cooperate either.

    Innocent people would have fully cooperated.

  19. Pats trolls are the worst. Do yall get the same talking points? Regurgitate the same false,misleading info on a weak investigation concocted by the nfl and really Goodell to make up for the countless other times he helped them not face sanctions when it was clearly evident that they had broken rules. Zeke nor the Cowboys have never benefited from having Goodell as commissioner, but patriots have,just not during deflategate. Just admit it pats trolls, Goodell has been good for business for ya’ll–5 SBs in his tenure when you had absolutely 0 before he showed up– and so now you throw out this fake outrage about deflategate, when really it is a resistance against Jerry’s attempt to get rid of Goodell.

  20. If Jerry didn’t create, support and promote the monster, known as Roger Goodell, for a decade and a half then Jerry wouldn’t have to be putting the monster down now.

    The fact is Jerry Jones blindly and fully supported Goodell as long as he thought he was getting preferential treatment from him… the first sign Goodell treated him like a normal NFL owner and the war began.

  21. Since I am a fan of neither of these men I feel it is an easy fix, the word in compromise. Both sides have a point. Obviously Jerry cannot control how suspensions are doled out, that would be a clear conflict of interest. On the other hand Roger and the head office need to do a better job with the consistency of the penalties and how quickly these things get done. They need to create a disciplinary council. It should be made up of of owners, players, and league officials. Roger should not be on that council, of if he is, his vote cannot carry any more weight than any others. The council would evaluate the infractions and proceed with a predetermined schedule of penalities. Extenuating circumstances could be taken into consideration. Easy

  22. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:43 am
    Wells asked Brady’s representative to do a search on his phone with keywords like deflation, psi, ball pressure etc. Brady refused. Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone. In fact Wells said he trusted Brady’s reps to perform the search and turn over texts with the key search words.

    Where did you get this information?

  23. sportoficionado says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:45 am

    Pats trolls are the worst. Do yall get the same talking points? Regurgitate the same false,misleading info on a weak investigation concocted by the nfl and really Goodell to make up for the countless other times he helped them not face sanctions when it was clearly evident that they had broken rules. Zeke nor the Cowboys have never benefited from having Goodell as commissioner, but patriots have,just not during deflategate. Just admit it pats trolls, Goodell has been good for business for ya’ll–5 SBs in his tenure when you had absolutely 0 before he showed up– and so now you throw out this fake outrage about deflategate, when really it is a resistance against Jerry’s attempt to get rid of Goodell.
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    How is telling absolute truths trolling?

    You think the Pats SB success has something to do with Goodell? You must be new to this game. NE’s SB success has come DESPITE Goodell’s attempts (under pressure from several owners) to gut the team.

  24. streetyson says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:26 am
    Brady: provided all emails, offered phone logs, in 2yr $5M salty evidence-free case regards 0.5psi!
    Jerrah: Brady was lying, uncooperative, hiding stuff, can’t do that, throw the book at him!!!

    Zeke: gave incomplete logs & redacted texts with no substance of his contact in an abuse case.
    Jerrah: Zeke gave them everything, nothing to hide, got railroaded, throw the book at Goodell!

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    Noted the difference, but it really matters not what was given from the devices themselves. The fact is the device data is the part that can be altered by the device owner so you really dont want to put as much stock in it even if you do get it. Its what they get from the carrier that matters. Also in Bradys case, and somewhat in Zekes case they had the texts from the recipients anyhow. It doesnt matter whos end you get it from its the same texts. Really in both cases the whole cell phone thing was red herring nonsense.

  25. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:43 am

    Wells asked Brady’s representative to do a search on his phone with keywords like deflation, psi, ball pressure etc. Brady refused. Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone. In fact Wells said he trusted Brady’s reps to perform the search and turn over texts with the key search words. Providing logs of texts is worthless because the NFL has no subpoena rights to these people.
    __________________________________________________________

    The phone logs were offered as proof Brady had not been in contact with the team employees in question whose phones they did have. Brady was never going to hand over his phone, no NFL player has not even Favre who was under investigation for sexting a team employee. Brady allowed a forensic search of his email and we were treated to stories about his taste in pool covers, one can only imagine what they would have leaked out from the phone of the NFL’s star QB communicating with the world’s biggest super model.

  26. lifetimefan says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:59 am
    luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:43 am
    Wells asked Brady’s representative to do a search on his phone with keywords like deflation, psi, ball pressure etc. Brady refused. Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone. In fact Wells said he trusted Brady’s reps to perform the search and turn over texts with the key search words.

    Where did you get this information?

    ===================================

    It came from the Wells report and has never been disputed by the Patriots. If Wells was lying about this I guarantee you Kraft would have vehemently disputed it. And for the millionth time Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone.

    And for those that think providing logs of over 10,000 texts is cooperating, the logs were worthless without subpoena rights. Yes, Wells had the phones of some Patriots employees but Wells didn’t have the phones supporting most of the 10,000 texts.

    Why didn’t Brady provide any texts related to deflation, psi, ball prep, etc? If there was nothing incriminating in these texts he looks innocent.

    I’ll never understand why great athletes like Brady, Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds cheat.

  27. Zeke nor the Cowboys have never benefited from having Goodell as commissioner, but patriots have,just not during deflategate. Just admit it pats trolls, Goodell has been good for business for ya’ll–5 SBs in his tenure when you had absolutely 0 before he showed up– and so now you throw out this fake outrage about deflategate, when really it is a resistance against Jerry’s attempt to get rid of Goodell.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    Wow. I’ve read some good ones before, but his may take the cake. The Patriots have actually won more SBs before Goodell became commissioner than after. They won in 2001, 2003, and 2004. Goodell was not named commissioner until 2006. Anything else?

  28. Can someone please tell me why the owners would need unprecedented accountability of a person that is nothing but a puppet of the owners, and doesn’t do anything unless they tell him to?

  29. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 9:48 am

    Why didn’t Brady provide any texts related to deflation, psi, ball prep, etc? If there was nothing incriminating in these texts he looks innocent.
    ——————–
    Because he was innocent and there were no incriminating texts. I can’t believe there are still about a dozen people left who think that weather doesn’t affect PSI. You do know that the Colts’ footballs were also below the allowable PSI range…

  30. eagleswin says:
    November 20, 2017 at 7:31 am
    He offered meta data from his phone, not the actual texts and the league had no power to compel people to turn over their actual texts. Huge difference.
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    The NFL had all the phone #s of everybody that was involved in framegate. It really isn’t all that difficult to filter on a half or a full dozen numbers to verify if more investigation is needed. So no, it’s not a huge difference at all.

  31. wib22 says:
    November 20, 2017 at 10:05 am

    All the pats fans do is deny deny deny.
    ———————-

    And all you do is cry, cry, cry.

    You sound just like that bitter old cheater, Don Shula. Did someone at the nursing home give you internet access?

  32. petersjeffrey36 says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:38 am
    some people are in denial.. Jerry Jones’ only problem with Goodell is that one of his players is the one being suspended. fine if you hate goodell but realize everything he has done has been at the behest of the owners.. and if E. Elliot had a video of his actions come out after a weak punishment you’d be calling for his head as well. A history of sexual harassment and assault from this young man makes it hard for a unbiased person to think he is free of blame
    ==============================
    Wrong. Goodell is NOT disciplining players at the behest of the owners. He never has and never will. People who continue to parrot this only come across as lazy.

  33. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:43 am
    Wells asked Brady’s representative to do a search on his phone with keywords like deflation, psi, ball pressure etc. Brady refused. Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone. In fact Wells said he trusted Brady’s reps to perform the search and turn over texts with the key search words. Providing logs of texts is worthless because the NFL has no subpoena rights to these people. Therefore Brady not only didn’t fully cooperate he lied about knowing McNally and his game day responsibilities. The Patriots didn’t fully cooperate either.

    And Elliott didn’t fully cooperate either.

    Innocent people would have fully cooperated.
    ===========================
    Wrong (again). The NFL (specifically Goodell) asked for more information going into the appeal. Brady provided the information (I.e. the meta data) which could have been used to corroborate if the all important “destroyed” phone proved he was talking to anybody with access to the footballs. You don’t need a subpoena to look through meta data to find #s already in your possession. Sorry but when you ask somebody to provide more information the expectation is to actually do something with it when it is provided. It certainly isn’t reasonable to expect people to accept the ridiculous notion it was too difficult when they already had every phone # from everybody involved.

  34. sportoficionado says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:45 am
    Pats trolls are the worst. Do yall get the same talking points? Regurgitate the same false,misleading info on a weak investigation concocted by the nfl and really Goodell to make up for the countless other times he helped them not face sanctions when it was clearly evident that they had broken rules. Zeke nor the Cowboys have never benefited from having Goodell as commissioner, but patriots have,just not during deflategate. Just admit it pats trolls, Goodell has been good for business for ya’ll–5 SBs in his tenure when you had absolutely 0 before he showed up– and so now you throw out this fake outrage about deflategate, when really it is a resistance against Jerry’s attempt to get rid of Goodell.
    ============================
    The Pats have won their SBs despite Goodell not because of him. If Goodell is a a friend to the Patriots I’d truly hate to see their enemies. LOL

    The outrage toward Jerry centers around urging Kraft to take his medicine despite proving the crime. Pats trolls are simply here to remind ignorant Cowboys fans of the current irony.

  35. I would like to see unprecedented accountability from the current Cowboys GM. Whoever it is seems totally incapable of putting together a meaningful playoff team… When is somebody going to fire him for his incompetence?

  36. You know, I have been wondering lately if this guy’s commentary on the Commissioner contract is really a calculated effort to deflect from the state of his team on the field. Deflection is a political tactic widely employed these days…

    This guy has problems on the field: player issues and coaching issues, quite frankly. And since he is their GM, too, perhaps he ought to focus on that.

    But – this is just like his player’s recent dilemma: he voted to give that Committee power to negotiate the contract. So he really doesn’t have a stand. Yell all you want, but you voted for that process…furthermore, you approved the current CBA, from which the Commissioner derives authority.

  37. mmack66 says:
    November 20, 2017 at 9:57 am
    Can someone please tell me why the owners would need unprecedented accountability of a person that is nothing but a puppet of the owners, and doesn’t do anything unless they tell him to?
    ==========================
    This REALLY cannot be underscored enough. Post of the month candidate right here.

  38. And all you do is cry, cry, cry.

    You sound just like that bitter old cheater, Don Shula. Did someone at the nursing home give you internet access?

    ****
    How is shula a cheater? belicheat admitted to filming signals

  39. Every fans voices they hate Roger Goodell.. Until Jerry Jones does it, then they hate Jerry… even though they love what he has done for the game (Hall of Fame Contributions) and his stace on players kneeling during the anthem.

  40. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 9:48 am
    lifetimefan says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:59 am
    luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:43 am
    Wells asked Brady’s representative to do a search on his phone with keywords like deflation, psi, ball pressure etc. Brady refused. Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone. In fact Wells said he trusted Brady’s reps to perform the search and turn over texts with the key search words.

    Where did you get this information?

    ===================================

    It came from the Wells report and has never been disputed by the Patriots. If Wells was lying about this I guarantee you Kraft would have vehemently disputed it. And for the millionth time Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone.

    And for those that think providing logs of over 10,000 texts is cooperating, the logs were worthless without subpoena rights. Yes, Wells had the phones of some Patriots employees but Wells didn’t have the phones supporting most of the 10,000 texts.

    Why didn’t Brady provide any texts related to deflation, psi, ball prep, etc? If there was nothing incriminating in these texts he looks innocent.

    I’ll never understand why great athletes like Brady, Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds cheat.

    ——————
    The Wells report does not say anywhere that Brady refused to hand over his phone. I donr belueve it speaks to that exchange at all even. That oart of the discussion was documented in the arbitration transcript not the Wells report. In the arbitration transcript (originally sealed to kerp it from the public but subsequently unsealed by the judge) it says that when asked if he had told Brady he did not need the phone he did state that he told Brady that. Also, Brady did not ‘destroy his phone’ in the concept most have. The NFL tried to paint a picture of Goodell saying “give it to me” brady refusing, then destroying it that night. The truth is that after Wells said that Goodell asked if he could get the phone and Brady told him that he had upgraded a few weeks prior (but still after Wells had said he did not heed it). As part of upgrading like anyone does he had had his data moved to his new phone (which Goodell didnt want) his previous phone wiped (because not doing that is crazy). When Goodell found that out the transcrpt shows he made no big deal just said ok and moved on. It was not until later in his final report (written at a time when he thought the sealed transcipt would never be revealed to show otherwise) he told the whole story if Brady refusing to hand over the phone and implying he destroted it during the arbitration proceedings.

    Some of us did care what the truth was and did the reading to find out.

  41. luckyforus says:

    November 20, 2017 at 9:48 am

    lifetimefan says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:59 am
    luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:43 am
    Wells asked Brady’s representative to do a search on his phone with keywords like deflation, psi, ball pressure etc. Brady refused. Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone. In fact Wells said he trusted Brady’s reps to perform the search and turn over texts with the key search words.

    Where did you get this information?

    ===================================

    It came from the Wells report and has never been disputed by the Patriots. If Wells was lying about this I guarantee you Kraft would have vehemently disputed it. And for the millionth time Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone.

    And for those that think providing logs of over 10,000 texts is cooperating, the logs were worthless without subpoena rights. Yes, Wells had the phones of some Patriots employees but Wells didn’t have the phones supporting most of the 10,000 texts.

    Why didn’t Brady provide any texts related to deflation, psi, ball prep, etc? If there was nothing incriminating in these texts he looks innocent.

    I’ll never understand why great athletes like Brady, Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds cheat.

    ———–

    To believe Brady cheated one would have to disregard the science of gas laws, temperature and air pressure. One would also have to believe the Colts cheated as their balls were also below legal inflation levels. So tell me, did the Colts cheat too?

  42. Nobody is saying anything about the stupid RELOCATION POLICY! This is another disaster for the NFL! Because a team is not competitive in their home town, the owner “takes his football and leaves.” He’s upset. Did anyone see the crowd at Carson soccer stadium yesterday? Despite the Chargers romp, fans, who were mostly Bills fans left early. Instructions to cameramen were to “AVOID SHOWING THE TRICKLE OF FANS IN THE STANDS!” What a relocation mess that will be impossible to unravel.

  43. Hey Fireroger

    You are wrong again.

    Just cause you have phone numbers doesn’t mean squat. So you call that person and ask them if they have texts related to psi, ball pressure etc. what do you think people close enough to Brady that he texts would say. They’d say either No or get lost. It’s a wild goose chase. 10,000 texts on the log.

    If Brady was innocent why didn’t he provide the texts related to ball pressure psi etc?

    3/4 Colts ball were slightly below the 12.5 limit on one gauge. On the other gauge they were all above 12.5. The Patriot balls were significantly below the 12.5 on both guages. And if Luck wanted his footballs below 12.5 why would he start with 13 psi? Common sense.

    Science doesn’t prove anything. It wasn’t a controlled environment.

    If you park your car in a garage you would under the ideal gas law be able to predict the deflation in all 4 tires assuming they all started at the same psi.

    If the car was driven and it was raining off and on, there is no way you could predict the psi under the IGL. This is the same circumstances with the Patriots balls. They arent in a controlled environment and even worse each football is being handled in different manners. Some are being used, some in bags and some being warmed and kept dry in towels.

    And why did Brady lie and why didn’t the Pats fully cooperate?

    Why did the equipment guy use the deflator name and why did he say the only thing deflating is his passer rating? Why did he threaten to go to ESPN?

    Why did the deflator take the balls in the restroom w/o approval and then lie about it? Why did he say he used a urinal when there was only a toilet?

    Patriot fans lose again because your team cheats but at least you take solace that your team wins on the field. Winning isn’t everything, it’s how you play the game and your legacy will be tarnished forever.

    Just like Barry and Lance.

  44. wib22 says:
    November 20, 2017 at 10:56 am

    ****
    How is shula a cheater? belicheat admitted to filming signals
    ———————

    Don cheated his way to the Miami job, and that was just the start. Filming signals was and is legal, so find something else to cry about.

  45. thegonz13 says:
    November 20, 2017 at 8:27 am
    Where was all this outrage when the Brady/DeflateGate saga was going on?

    Look, we get it! Jerrah’s is pissed because of the Ezekiel Elliott thing. If it wasn’t for that, he wouldn’t be asking for Goodell’s head on a platter.

    Make no mistake about it: in terms of leadership, Goodell’s not doing much. He managed to alienate two of the league’s most influential owners, which takes some doing, yet he still managed to fill the owner’s pockets. But this is beyond Goodell’s work… this is just personal.

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    Actually the media contracts were negotiated by Bob Kraft not Goodell. The talks were being handled so poorly by Goodell that Kraft was asked to step in on behalf of the league. Even after he did Goodell was being so disruptive to progress that he and his team were asked to leave the table and barred from the rest of the proceedings. So no, Goodell didnt even get that part done. All he does (and he does) is take all of the negative on himself instead of the owners having to bear it. There is value in that part (from an owners perspective) so its understandable if they dont want to fire him. But still paying him some insanely high contract with no accountability for results makes no sense. Jones actually is spot on with his demands. I cant help but notice that rather than trying to argue that Jones’s denands aren’t reasonable (which I doubt they can) the plan of attack is to disparage the guy making them. Easy to do, Jones is not likable at all, and his true motives are certainly questionable. But from a business perspective he still absolutely has a good point.

  46. Sniveling little toady says

    The Wells report does not say anywhere that Brady refused to hand over his phone. I donr belueve it speaks to that exchange at all even. That oart of the discussion was documented in the arbitration transcript not the Wells report

    _________________________________________________________________________________________

    You are correct, but Brady was never asked to turn over his phone. Wells asked Brady to have his rep search the phone for keywords. Wells even said he trusted his reps. It’s right in the Wells report if you want to read it and it’s never been disputed. Patriot fans like yourself keep twisting and deflecting the truth.

  47. nhpats says

    To believe Brady cheated one would have to disregard the science of gas laws, temperature and air pressure. One would also have to believe the Colts cheated as their balls were also below legal inflation levels. So tell me, did the Colts cheat too?

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    I answered that above

  48. Jones’ obsession with Goodell is a good distraction for the lousy job the GM Jones is doing in Dallas. Lose a top line lineman, a top line injury prone middle linebacker, and the probability of losing their running back and do nothing? The Eagles lost the same positions (Peterson, Hicks, and Sprouls) and what did their GM do – trade for Ajayi, and pick up 2 veterans for the other positions. Why to concentrate on your team, Jerry.

  49. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 11:29 am
    Hey Fireroger

    You are wrong again.

    =/lengthy incorrect statement about cell phones deleted/=

    =/incorrect scienticic info deleted/=

    =/incorrect expkanation of car tires in cold weather environments delete/=

    =/Yada yada yada deleted/=

    Just like Barry and Lance.

    =================
    Man, we are on fire this morning. I think after reading all those predictions these last few months hiw the Patriots were going to get theirs in Denver and Mexico the overwheming disappointment has reduced things to grabbing at straws.

    The Steelers are coming up, and frankly they do have a legitimate shot at this. Might I suggest cheering for that instead?

  50. From the Wells report:

    Wells was clear that he didn’t want to actually take possession of Brady’s phone. Rather, he wanted Brady to have somebody search the contents of his text messages and emails and turn over the ones that contained certain key words, or were exchanged with certain key figures. Wells said multiple times that he told Brady’s agent, Don Yee, that he would trust Yee to be forthright and turn over all relevant messages.

    But on the advice of his agents, Brady declined to do so. At the appeal hearing, Wells was unmistakeable in how pivotal this choice was in his eventual findings: “I think that was one of the most ill-advised decisions I have ever seen because it hurt how I viewed his credibility.”

  51. Sniveling little toady says:

    Man, we are on fire this morning. I think after reading all those predictions these last few months hiw the Patriots were going to get theirs in Denver and Mexico the overwheming disappointment has reduced things to grabbing at straws.

    The Steelers are coming up, and frankly they do have a legitimate shot at this. Might I suggest cheering for that instead?

    ==============================================================================================================

    I fully expected the Patriots to beat both Denver and Oakland. I also expect them to beat Pittsburgh, who barely beat a poor Colts team. I would also expect to see the Patriots in the Super Bowl. They are clearly the best team I have seen in the AFC. But, unfortunately they will always be tarnished.

  52. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 11:38 am
    Sniveling little toady says

    The Wells report does not say anywhere that Brady refused to hand over his phone. I donr belueve it speaks to that exchange at all even. That oart of the discussion was documented in the arbitration transcript not the Wells report

    _________________________________________________________________________________________

    You are correct, but Brady was never asked to turn over his phone. Wells asked Brady to have his rep search the phone for keywords. Wells even said he trusted his reps. It’s right in the Wells report if you want to read it and it’s never been disputed. Patriot fans like yourself keep twisting and deflecting the truth.

    ———————
    So if Brady was never asked to turn over his phone that would explain why the Wells report does not say he refused. (You said earlier that he did and it was in the Welks report) Never asked means never refused. What in that is twisted? And how does being able to see the obvious make me a Patriots fan? Other fan bases are smart too you know.

  53. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 11:29 am

    If Brady was innocent why didn’t he provide the texts related to ball pressure psi etc?

    Science doesn’t prove anything. It wasn’t a controlled environment.

    If you park your car in a garage you would under the ideal gas law be able to predict the deflation in all 4 tires assuming they all started at the same psi.

    And why did Brady lie and why didn’t the Pats fully cooperate?
    ______________________________________________________________________________________

    What texts? The one from Jastremski saying “They supposed to be 13 [psi].” Why would he write that if what he really meant was “They supposed to be 11 psi.”? Is it a typo? Why did Wells focus so much time on texts that gave no reference to illegal ball deflation at all? Why would the conclusion be that the balls were deflated when they weren’t measurably deflated? Are you basing your entire guilty as Barry argument on an inadvertent 90 second bathroom break?

    PSI changes are not the same as deflation. PSI can change with exactly the same amount of air in the ball. Multiple lab and field tests (including Exponent’s own data) showed that the PSI of the Pats balls fell within a reasonable range of error given the weather on that day. Before scouring all the texts to family and friends and the the 8 hour long interviews and security footage and phone logs and Exponent, shouldn’t that be the end of the story? Why did they establish the balls weren’t deflated and then find him guilty anyway?

    This was clearly a railroad job. A conviction without a victim.

  54. Shula is the CHEATER EMERITUS for soaking the field prior to the 83′ AFCCG.
    Funny how shills forget that SHULA wrote the book on CHEATING. Even the old Coot Shula forgot how much he cheated.

    But his most GRAND insult to any Football Fan is to have the Best QB in a generation of great QB;’s and not win one SB.
    SHula was a hack and his kid being the OC of Carolina and pure nepotism. I feel sorry for Panther fans having to live with the lineage of the such a failure / cheat as Dirty Don Shula

  55. Sniveling little toady says:

    So if Brady was never asked to turn over his phone that would explain why the Wells report does not say he refused. (You said earlier that he did and it was in the Welks report) Never asked means never refused. What in that is twisted?

    ===================================================================================================================

    I never said Brady refused to turn over his phone. I said Brady refused to have his phone searched by his rep (later I provided a paragraph from the Wells report that it was his agent Don Yee. Read and comprehend.

  56. wib22 says:
    November 20, 2017 at 10:56 am

    How is shula a cheater? belicheat admitted to filming signals

    **********

    Chippy! Being a Fins fan, we all know that you are fully aware of all the times that Double Dealer Don Shula cheated.

    DD Don* was still the coach of the Baltimore Colts at the end of the 1969 season, when then-Miami owner Joe Robbie approached him and signed Shula* to a contract. You can’t do that. That’s cheating.

    How about when before the 1983 AFC Championship game between the Miami Dolphins and the New York Jets, Miami coach Don Shula* refused to cover the field during a monsoon in order to create a muddy field with the hopes of slowing down the Jets’ high powered offense. The Dolphins won 14-0 and the infamous game was nicknamed the “Mud Bowl”.

    Or when in 1994, the Dolphins — under then coach Double-Dealing Don Shula* — pulled another fast one when free agent safety Gene Atkins just happened to be staying at a hotel a few blocks from the Dolphins training facility the night before free agency began. More tampering. More cheating.

    And for your information, taping and/or stealing defensive signals is not illegal, therefore it is not cheating. It was legal then and is legal now. What Belichick admitted to was video recording from outside of the “authorized, enclosed video area”, which was not even a rule at that time. It had only come out as a commissioner’s memo to the teams at that point.

  57. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 11:29 am
    Hey Fireroger

    You are wrong again.
    ———————
    Lucky.

    How about this? Call the numbers Brady provided upon request. Let’s start there. If it’s his grandmother I think we should be able to agree she doesn’t have access to footballs. If Jastremski answers it’s either a documented number they already know of or it’s undocumented. Either way, you don’t need a subpoena, texts or a divining rod to make that determination. So no, you are 100% wrong when saying those numbers don’t mean squat. If that was the case Goodell never would have asked for them to begin with. But you know that already and are just being obtuse about it.

    The ENTIRE Exponent report hinges on the NFL changing Coleman’s recollection of what gauged he used. Period. If they take him for his own recollection (or use the intercepted football that was conveniently removed) every bit of the PSI is accounted for. Both the Colts AND the Patriots. I will be the first to agree with you that the IGL cannot be used to explain everything about the pressure loss. For all the reasons you mentioned. The only thing I would like to highlight is it’s all those reasons that explain the difference in pressure in ALL of the balls. It’s why not all 4 of the Colts balls had the same amount of pressure loss. If you’re arguing the science can’t reliably be used to prove\disprove the pressure loss in the balls I suspect you are going to get universal violent agreement. That still does little to change the fact that the science that was conducted was tragically flawed. Not too mention incorrect.

    There was some suspicious behavior that took place. Even if I agreed (which I don’t) with your claims that Brady lied and the context of the texts\the toilet, there’s an argument to be made that still isn’t enough to prove the balls were deflated unnaturally. There’s a reason the NFL tried to prove their case with science. It’s because they knew (and so do you if you’re being honest with yourself) the circumstantial evidence wasn’t enough to prove it.

  58. If there was a text from Malcolm Butler saying “Let’s NOT get flagged for pass interference today” and then during the game there was no pass interference, but then the league office said “Wait a minute, what about everyone else’s cell phones for the past 6 months? Are you sure that wasn’t PI? Why isn’t that guy giving me all the texts between him and his wife? Seems suspicious. What about this other text from last summer where someone else said PI in a text? Seems suspicious. And even though Butler wasn’t in the area of the incompletion, and the play had no outcome on the game, and if you’re defining that as PI then the other team committed the same penalty, let’s throw the flag anyway.”

  59. I won’t spend more time on this but only add that Goodell became vp of ops in 2001, and as head of the officiating, we were subjected to the “tuck rule” and various other rules protecting the qb the pocket in subsequent years (the perception being from most that these rules were in place to protect Brady). This is why many owners were against Goodell, initially, being named commissioner, they felt he had a severe bias and posed a threat. It wasnt until Jerry stood up for him and implored other owners to give him a chance. Boy was that a mistake. So from 2001 and until he became commissioner, Goodell had a direct influence on many controversies–mainly around the patriots but also included a number of other individuals. Last word being the owners were right to distrust Goodell from the beginning, he should of never rose higher than his vp position with league operations, as his earliest work shows how power hungry he truly was.

  60. Jerry needs his ego massaged, he fired Jimmy Johnson because he wanted to be in the spotlight. The Cowboys hard knocks was so staged to attempt to make Jones look integral to the success. He doesn’t see that he is in the way of success, poor guy… He is entertaining though… I would love to see hard knocks return to Dallas. The Tampa series was brutal to watch, IMO the worst by far…

  61. Hardly a worthy analogy, but many of us have been the commissioner of a fantasy league, and the fantasy owners constant whining is laughable… Can you imagine how insane it must be to keep 32 billionaires remotely happy? Maybe he deserves the 50 Million… I hope he retires and writes an all-tell book. He most likely has a gag clause in his contract but I can still dream…

  62. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 12:21 pm

    I never said Brady refused to turn over his phone. I said Brady refused to have his phone searched by his rep (later I provided a paragraph from the Wells report that it was his agent Don Yee. Read and comprehend.
    ————————–

    What does it matter? None of it proves anything, and the league was going to find Brady generally aware that two other guys might have done something to the Patriots and the Colts footballs, whether he turned over his phone, or the contents of his phone.

  63. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 11:29 am

    3/4 Colts ball were slightly below the 12.5 limit on one gauge. On the other gauge they were all above 12.5. The Patriot balls were significantly below the 12.5 on both guages. And if Luck wanted his footballs below 12.5 why would he start with 13 psi? Common sense.

    Science doesn’t prove anything. It wasn’t a controlled environment.
    ————————-

    Then how was the NFL able to ascertain that there was anything wrong with the footballs? They had never measured footballs during a game before, so they had absolutely no reference point to determine if the footballs had been tampered with.

  64. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 11:29 am

    Why did the equipment guy use the deflator name and why did he say the only thing deflating is his passer rating? Why did he threaten to go to ESPN?
    ————————-

    No one knows, because Wells didn’t ask the questions.

  65. fireroger says:

    How about this? Call the numbers Brady provided upon request. Let’s start there. If it’s his grandmother I think we should be able to agree she doesn’t have access to footballs. If Jastremski answers it’s either a documented number they already know of or it’s undocumented. Either way, you don’t need a subpoena, texts or a divining rod to make that determination. So no, you are 100% wrong when saying those numbers don’t mean squat. If that was the case Goodell never would have asked for them to begin with. But you know that already and are just being obtuse about it.

    =================================================================================================

    That’s hilarious. Grandma not having access to the footballs doesn’t mean squat. You guys are clueless. What Wells wanted to know is if Brady had texts on his phone incriminating himself. For example. Hey Grandma, I can’t lie to you. I did know the footballs were being deflated.

    And the rest of your argument is BS. Everyone knows cold weather affects the psi. Wells tried to simulate the environmental conditions the best he could so arguing the Colts footballs slightly below 12.5 on 3 of 8 readings is BS.

    And Wells specifically stated if it was only the science evidence, he may have arrived at a different conclusion. It was all the other circumstantial evidence and the fact Brady nor the Patriots fully cooperated.

  66. mmack66 says:

    November 20, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 12:21 pm

    I never said Brady refused to turn over his phone. I said Brady refused to have his phone searched by his rep (later I provided a paragraph from the Wells report that it was his agent Don Yee. Read and comprehend.
    ————————–

    What does it matter? None of it proves anything, and the league was going to find Brady generally aware that two other guys might have done something to the Patriots and the Colts footballs, whether he turned over his phone, or the contents of his phone.

    =============================================================================================================================

    It proves Brady didn’t fully cooperate.

  67. Jerruh, true leader while the other owners are looking at empty stadiums, declining viewership, lost merchandise sales, he is taking the heat to try and fix the Kneeling football league’s nightmare. Roger turned a Mustang into a Lambo and ran it going 200 mph right into the wall and now wants to be rewarded for it.

  68. The whole thing makes the league look even worse if that’s possible.
    A vote of 32-0 in May. The committee with the authority, Jerry leaks
    lies about to Adam S and Mort. Goodell is accountable to the owners,
    all the owners not just spoiled Jones. Sounds like Jones needs his
    diaper changed. If Goodell does something enough
    owners don’t like, fire him, pay him off and move on.

  69. luckyforus says:

    November 20, 2017 at 8:43 am

    Wells asked Brady’s representative to do a search on his phone with keywords like deflation, psi, ball pressure etc. Brady refused. Wells never asked for possession of Brady’s phone. In fact Wells said he trusted Brady’s reps to perform the search and turn over texts with the key search words. Providing logs of texts is worthless because the NFL has no subpoena rights to these people. Therefore Brady not only didn’t fully cooperate he lied about knowing McNally and his game day responsibilities. The Patriots didn’t fully cooperate either.

    And Elliott didn’t fully cooperate either.

    Innocent people would have fully cooperated.

    ================================================

    False. If you are in a union it is a terrible idea to set a precedent where the commissioner can demand private property be turned over. And if “evidence” disclosure is so important, where are the PSI logs? Goodell promised the public transparency.

  70. What Jerry wants is to be able to throw out any ruling that the Commissioner makes. In other words, he wants to be the one who decides discipline. He is blaming the Commissioner for the National Anthem Protests and he made a deal with Trump on this issue. Jerry just hates it when Goodell is doing the job he was hired to do.

  71. Why? Are players EVER held accountable for anything? No, they are not b/c they are a protected class of multi-millionaires. The union (NFLPA) and the media are the praetorian guard for the players.
    There is no such protection for the NFL teams, coaches, GMs, or NFL execs.

  72. Lucky, the NFL commissioner is not a law enforcement entity, no matter how badly you want it to be. He can’t subpoena Brady either. And “lying” about the game day responsibilities is such pointless effort you push because it doesn’t mean anything and is not provable no matter how hard to try. Goodell lied in court and pushed the “independence” of Wells, thus also lying to the public. He also lied on the stand in the Rice case. Those are indisputable truths. He has no credibility and yet you champion him. It makes no sense.
    And now Goodell wants to have a lifetime appointment where he is above owner criticism which is shown by the push back on Jerry Jones.

  73. limakey says:

    November 20, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    What Jerry wants is to be able to throw out any ruling that the Commissioner makes. In other words, he wants to be the one who decides discipline. He is blaming the Commissioner for the National Anthem Protests and he made a deal with Trump on this issue. Jerry just hates it when Goodell is doing the job he was hired to do.

    ============

    Commissioner works for the owners so, yea, it makes sense that Jones would want to be able to give the guy a performance review and not the lifetime appointment that Goodell seeks.

  74. “…Goodell has been good for business for ya’ll–5 SBs in his tenure when you had absolutely 0 before he showed up…”

    – That is the absolutely most absurd post I have ever read on PFT … or anywhere else NFL related.

  75. dryzzt23 says:

    November 20, 2017 at 1:40 pm

    Why? Are players EVER held accountable for anything? No, they are not b/c they are a protected class of multi-millionaires. The union (NFLPA) and the media are the praetorian guard for the players.
    There is no such protection for the NFL teams, coaches, GMs, or NFL execs.

    ====================

    There’s lots of protection for NFL teams ie antitrust protection, non-guaranteed contracts, taxpayer funded stadiums, the threat of leaving a city to ensure tax dollars, the commissioner’s vaunted article 46, the fact that NFLPA is by far the weakest union, the massive tv deals… And to call players a “protected class of millionaires” doesn’t mean as much compared to the class of billionaires that run the NFL. If Bob Kraft woke up tomorrow morning with Tom Brady’s bank account, he would be inconsolable. Coaches and front office guys I agree, but owners have lots of protection.

  76. luckyforus says:
    November 20, 2017 at 12:54 pm
    ======
    Why would somebody trying not to incriminate themselves hand over 5000+ emails and 10,000 text logs again?

    On IGL. It really doesn’t matter what side of the science argument you want to take. The fact of the matter is Coleman’s correct recollection of which gauge he used explains everything. BTW, has anybody found the logo gauge yet?

    Make no mistake Wells NEEDED the science to justify his conclusion. It’s just silly to argue otherwise at this point. The circumstantial evidence wouldn’t have held up on it’s own. Which is exactly why Wells decided what gauge Coleman used.

  77. Lucky, the NFL commissioner is not a law enforcement entity

    Then stop using any legal-based arguments. No more “proof”, “evidence”, etc. The NFL has a binding agreement with the NFL PA that allows them to discipline players as they see fit and they did so. Get over it.

  78. RegisHawk says:

    November 21, 2017 at 9:26 am

    Lucky, the NFL commissioner is not a law enforcement entity

    Then stop using any legal-based arguments. No more “proof”, “evidence”, etc. The NFL has a binding agreement with the NFL PA that allows them to discipline players as they see fit and they did so. Get over it.

    ======================

    Your conflating two very different arguments. One is whether Goodell was correct and “got it right” in his assessment on various discipline rulings. That is what we are talking about here. The other argument was brought to the courts, which is the one your talking about, is whether Goodell actually has the power to dole out whatever punishment he sees fit. And that has been soundly upheld by the court so that argument is over, I agree. But it still doesn’t mean Goodell “got it right” and actually did a good job.

    And the NFL and Wells were the ones to introduce those terms to start, not me or other fans. It’s there process not mine. So to say “evidence” and “proof” are irrelevant is kind of funny, because it that same thought that got Goodell in this situation in the first place. He can do whatever he wants, including making terrible decisions and lying in court and to the public. There is plently of “proof” and “evidence” of that.

  79. FireRoger, the investigation proved that Walt Anderson was incorrect about which gauge he used and Anderson agreed, he was mistaken. Both JJ said the balls presented to Anderson were at the quarterbacks preference. Brady’s at 12.5 and Colts at 13. Two of Brady’s had to have air into them to bring them to 12.5. Had Anderson been using the gauge he said he used, not one ball would have measured correctly. So it is the Patriots who need the argument, not the NFL. Face it, your boy cheated and it was proved. Get over it.

  80. limakey says:
    November 21, 2017 at 1:34 pm
    FireRoger, the investigation proved that Walt Anderson was incorrect about which gauge he used and Anderson agreed, he was mistaken. Both JJ said the balls presented to Anderson were at the quarterbacks preference. Brady’s at 12.5 and Colts at 13. Two of Brady’s had to have air into them to bring them to 12.5. Had Anderson been using the gauge he said he used, not one ball would have measured correctly. So it is the Patriots who need the argument, not the NFL. Face it, your boy cheated and it was proved. Get over it.
    =======================
    Puhleze. The investigation did no such thing. The investigation could have done so if they didn’t rule out the intercepted ball as a viable control since Coleman’s gauge actually measured closer to that than the other gauge. But you know that already don’t you? Ironically, you don’t need to pay Exponent to manipulate the p-value to prove it. Just look at the ball that was conveniently left out of the experiment.

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