Week 11 power rankings

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1. Eagles (9-1; last week No. 1): Step One for making the no-kicker strategy work? Get Carson Wentz to play quarterback.

2. Patriots (8-2; No. 2): La puerta esta abierta for a Super Bowl win.

3. Steelers (8-2; No. 3): They’re really good, but still not good enough to beat the Patriots in a playoff game.

4. Vikings (8-2; No. 5): Having Teddy Bridgewater looming over Case Keenum‘s shoulder actually makes Keenum play better.

5. Saints (8-2; No. 6): The Saints justified their name with a miracle on Sunday.

6. Rams (7-3; No. 4): The loss in Minnesota could be the first of several cold splashes of water in the face of a team still clinging to the NFC West lead.

7. Panthers (7-3; No. 9): Advance scout/tight end Greg Olsen is back, which could make the offense better than ever (especially against the Vikings)

8. Jaguars (7-3; No. 10): If the Steelers stumble and the Jaguars don’t, Jacksonville could end up with a postseason bye.

9. Falcons (6-4; No. 12): “Here we go again” ultimately went nowhere, for a change.

10. Lions (6-4; No. 11): Win Thursday vs. Minnesota, and the Lions will win the NFC North.

11. Chiefs (6-4; No. 7): If dropping from No 1 to Alex Smith‘s jersey number doesn’t spark a decision to let Patrick Mahomes show what he can do, eventually dropping to Mahomes’ jersey number possibly will.

12. Seahawks (6-4; No. 8): Maybe Russell Wilson‘s One-Man Band should add kicking to the repertoire.

13. Ravens (5-5; No. 18): The Ravens are only 2-5 when the other team scores at least one point.

14. Titans (6-4; No. 13): They’ve come a long way, but they’ve still got a long way to go.

15. Chargers (4-6; No. 19): In the 25th anniversary of the only NFL team that made it to the playoffs after starting 0-4, this one could end up doing the same thing.

16. Cowboys (5-5; No. 14): Getting to the playoffs may be even more difficult than keeping the Commissioner from getting his extension.

17. Washington (4-6; No. 15): If you can’t close out a 15-point lead with three minutes left over a playoff team, you don’t belong in the playoffs.

18. Bills (5-5; No. 16): From 5-2 to 5-5 with a pair of blowouts and two games against the Patriots still left to play, that 18-year playoff drought seems destined to continue.

19. Buccaneers (4-6; No. 24): When a trip to Green Bay is the easiest game left of the schedule down the stretch, it’s not an easy schedule down the stretch.

20. Raiders (4-6; No. 17): The Black Hole may be nearly empty next year, if this continues.

21. Bengals (4-6; No. 25): They may win just enough games to convince Mike Brown to stay the course.

22. Texans (4-6; No. 26): Tom Savage may do enough to get someone to pay him way too much money to eventually be benched for a rookie.

23. Jets (4-6; No. 21): It still won’t be easy to avoid 4-12.

24. Packers (5-5; No. 20): “Did you not just listen to that question I just answered?”

25. Dolphins (4-6; No. 22): How big is the current gap between the Dolphins and the Patriots? They’re about to find out, twice.

26. Cardinals (4-6; No. 23): Blaine Gabbert gets another start, while Colin Kaepernick still can’t get even a phone call.

27. Bears (3-7; No. 27): Kicking changes always seem to come a week to late.

28. Giants (2-8; No. 31): Amazing things can happen when a team actually tries to win.

29. Colts (3-7; No. 29): They’ve come a long way from the annual talk of whether to rest starters.

30. Broncos (3-7; No. 28): Great quarterbacks make offensive coordinators look good, and vice versa.

31. 49ers (1-9; No. 30): The stadium will be only slightly less empty than it was during the bye week.

32. Browns (0-10; No. 32): “Why the NFL Should Consider Contraction.” Exhibit A.

160 responses to “Week 11 power rankings

  1. 3. Steelers (8-2; No. 3): They’re really good, but still not good enough to beat the Patriots in a playoff game.

    They are not good enough to beat the patriots period!

  2. Colin Kaepernick still can’t get even a phone call.

    Just can’t stop beating a dead horse can you?

    He…..just…..isn’t……good…..enough…..to…..run…..the…..risk.

  3. 19. Buccaneers (4-6; No. 24): When a trip to Green Bay is the easiest game left of the schedule down the stretch, it’s not an easy schedule down the stretch.

    Actually, going to Green Bay is a pretty easy game to win these days.

  4. Bleacher has NE at #1, Eagles 1A….based on projected playoff capability.

    On pure games played, yes, Eagles have won more.

    I’d prefer to see NE play a tough game or two prior to Steelers game, just to keep them sharp.

  5. It’s Thanksgiving Week in pro football, which means everybody’s playing for the first time in weeks. Teams start to separate themselves late November so well find out who the pretenders and contenders are.

  6. dougchillin says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:37 am
    seems pretty outrageous to just come out and claim the Steelers can’t beat the Pats. its the NFL Florio, still amazes me how atrocious your analysis is.
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    As a Steelers fan who has seen them lose time after time to the Pats, Florio is spot on.

    I won’t ever think they can beat Brady in the playoffs until it happens.

  7. 21. Bengals (4-6; No. 25): They may win just enough games to convince Mike Brown to stay the course.
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    Every thinking Bengals fan’s worst nightmare.

  8. When a trip to Green Bay is the easiest game left of the schedule down the stretch, it’s not an easy schedule down the stretch.

    Longtime Bucs fans know the history of playing in Green Bay. It’s not pleasant.

  9. 10. Lions (6-4; No. 11): Win Thursday vs. Minnesota, and the Lions will win the NFC North.
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    I’ve been saying that for weeks and you’re probably right, but after seeing the Vikings dismantle the Rams, I think they could win at Atlanta or Carolina, making it likely they could finish 12-4 even if they lose to the Lions. I don’t see the Lions winning their last nine games to take the tiebreaker.

    That first loss against the Lions was so weird. The Vikings kept fumbling, Cook tore his ACL, and Keenum cost the team a touchdown by making the wrong change to a protection scheme. I would be very surprised if the Lions win this time.

  10. Browns get first pick again ??? It should be set at 3 in a row…after that they drop to the 32 pick, mainly because it’s a front office and coaching problem !!!

  11. I don’t know why sports sites continue to rank the Titans so high in their power rankings. It just shows they don’t follow football. The Titans are awful! They were on national TV, and you didn’t notice??

  12. Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am

    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
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    I wouldn’t be that confident but I’d like to see them get the chance to play, maybe around February 4.

  13. Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
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    Last 6 games, Patriots allowed 75 points (12.5/gm), Vikings allowed 96 (16/gm). Read it & weep!

  14. dougchillin says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:39 am
    Also – why on Earth would the chiefs play Mahomes? Astoundingly horrible analysis from Florio.
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    These people have zero credibility anymore when it come to writing about sports as they are only concerned about shaping public opinion on social issues.

  15. Imagine your number one in the power rankings the whole second half of the season and get beat in the conference championship game ,,,ahhhhhhhh man that’s gonna hurt real bad !

  16. With only the Browns and 49ers ahead of them a strong case can be made that the Broncos actually have the #1 selection in the 2018 draft. The 49ers likely won’t draft a quarterback and the Browns will no doubt find a way to blow their pick as usual leaving Denver a clear path to a top flight quarterback.

  17. I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
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    One could legitimately argue that saying needs to be changed to Tom Brady wins championships.

  18. Listening to my fellow Pats fans dismiss the Steelers already sounds too much like 2007 Super Bowl or (my favorite) the 2004 ALCS… Steelers wouldn’t have to keep playing the Patriots for the AFC title on a regular basis if they were anywhere near as bad as (many) Pats say there are… don’t believe the hype, they 8-2 because they are good

  19. The Packers are SO inept.. they will have endured a wasted season, but probably do just enough not to have a top 10 pick in the Draft.

    Clean up on isle McCarthy..

  20. The reason the Steelers will lose badly against the Patriots is Big Ben can’t fit the ball into tight windows. Belichick knows Big Ben is really good at the long ball when one of his receivers gets behind the Patriots DBs so he will take that away. The Steelers only hope to beat the Patriots is for LeVeon Bell to rush for over 200 yards with multiple rushing TDs against the Patriots which is very unlikely. In other words the Steelers will be watching the SB like the rest of us, at home.

  21. After that grueling trip, Miami is the classic trap game for the Pats. They’ll win, but no way I lay those points. They can probably afford to lose 1 more gm, as long as it’s not to Pittsburgh.

  22. patsrthegreatest says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:11 pm
    Listening to my fellow Pats fans dismiss the Steelers already sounds too much like 2007 Super Bowl or (my favorite) the 2004 ALCS… Steelers wouldn’t have to keep playing the Patriots for the AFC title on a regular basis if they were anywhere near as bad as (many) Pats say there are… don’t believe the hype, they 8-2 because they are good

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    Actually, it sounds nothing like that. The Steelers still play way too much zone and are a one trick pony on both sides of the ball. They don’t believe in drafting IQ and versatility like BB does.

    Hence, a poor match up for Pitt. Still.

  23. edukator4 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    is mahomes your relative? why would the chiefs who are clinging to a division lead, turn to a rookie qb?
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    Because everyone in the media loves a bad decision that leads to a big train wreck.

  24. patsrthegreatest says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Listening to my fellow Pats fans dismiss the Steelers already sounds too much like 2007 Super Bowl or (my favorite) the 2004 ALCS… Steelers wouldn’t have to keep playing the Patriots for the AFC title on a regular basis if they were anywhere near as bad as (many) Pats say there are… don’t believe the hype, they 8-2 because they are good
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    There’s a reason for Pats fans to be very confident in beating Pittsburgh. It comes down to 2 major reasons.

    1. A massive coaching/strategy advantage. Belichick and Patriots staff coaches circles around Tomlin and crew. Look at last years playoff game. Brady just surgically picking apart the Steelers zone D all day. No adjustments made by Pittsburgh, they just continued to let Brady destroy them.

    2. Brady vs. Pittsburgh D. Brady has torched the Pittsburgh D soooooo many times. I find it hard to believe this wouldn’t happen again. It’s been across multiple personnel/coaching regimes too. Brady has crushed them when there blitz happy and too aggressive or when they play a passive zone scheme.

  25. factschecker says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:10 pm
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
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    One could legitimately argue that saying needs to be changed to Tom Brady wins championships.

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    Defense wins championships” is as outdated as the Steelers teambuilding business model.

    OFFENSE wins championships and it’s a war of attrition on offense between the two QBs and their weapons, alongside the playcalling.

    No one wins a SB anymore 20-17. This isn’t 1991.

    You make your money on D i nthe red zone, holding to FGs, which means the “ranking” of a D by yards, is inherently useless to judge a D in this era.

    NE’s D has been holding teams on average to about 11 points the last 7 games, yet they “rank” at the bottom.

    LMAO

    Everyone else can keep getting it wrong, and I’ll sit down in January on my couch ans watch my team in a the conf. title game, and hopefully another Super Bowl.

  26. The Steelers have been Competitive for Half a Century now. The Steelers don’t need to be perfect against the Patriots or to make it to the SB. The Steelers have been to 3 SBs during this Patriots “Dynasty”. Tomlin losing to BB & TB, 2 of the GOATS is nothing to hang his head for. Tomlin’s time is coming and when he beats BB in the payoff, BB won’t dominate the series any longer.

    Plus Im sure the Steelers are annoyed with the media with the Patriots every week when they respect all teams. The Steelers FO been doing it a long time also & are build to be competitive in the AFC past this season. #facts

  27. .
    @patsfan4life

    ”  The Steelers only hope to beat the Patriots is for LeVeon Bell to rush for over 200 yards with multiple rushing TDs against the Patriots which is very unlikely. In other words the Steelers will be watching the SB like the rest of us, at home.”
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    This is unusually moronic, even for you. However, being a Jets fan you are the resident expert at watching the Super Bowl at home.
    .

  28. On behalf of all rational Vikings fans I say this: the Vikings are not better than the Patriots. Lets just wait and see how the next three very difficult games go (Lions, Falcons, Panthers) before getting all lathered up.

  29. I would consider contraction of other teams rather than the Browns. The Browns had a long and proud tradition of winning and building the league all the way back to their namesake, before being utterly reamed in the 1990s in ways I need not repeat. The league would not exist without them and frankly has done a terrible job supporting them and their history. Really awful.

  30. rob471773 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm
    Steelers are too high, they should be at #5 behind the Vikings and Saints.

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    I agree. They haven’t played anyone. A good offense knows what Pitt will do, as does a good defense.

    Pats have both and the Special Teams and coaching advantages.

  31. tylawspick6 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    Actually, it sounds nothing like that. The Steelers still play way too much zone and are a one trick pony on both sides of the ball.
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    This Steelers team is far from a “one trick pony on both sides of the ball” maybe you should watch some football besides the Pats games. They have been winning in just about every way you can including some of the ugly ones they would have lost in years past. Belichick is still Belichick and Tomlin is still Tomlin but other than that the Steelers and Pats are a tighter match up than they have been in years. I’m a Pats fan, like you when things are clicking I fear no opponent but unlike you I have seen enough on the field over the years to respect almost all of them, particularly the quality ones. And make no mistake, no matter how you choose to misrepresent them Pittsburgh is definitely a very high quality opponent.

  32. Stiller43 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:48 am
    dougchillin says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:37 am
    seems pretty outrageous to just come out and claim the Steelers can’t beat the Pats. its the NFL Florio, still amazes me how atrocious your analysis is.
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    As a Steelers fan who has seen them lose time after time to the Pats, Florio is spot on.

    I won’t ever think they can beat Brady in the playoffs until it happens.

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    I am a Steeler fan too and the coaching gap from Bill B to Tomlin is always a big hurdle. But its the NFL, i am not saying they will, i am saying the CAN. The Steelers CAN win. It isn’t definite like the comment says.

  33. The Cleveland Browns should be drummed out of the league for ineptitude. The coaches and the whole team needs to be fired.

  34. Top 5 should be Pats, Eagles, Vikings, Saints, Rams, Steelers…..the NFC is much better than the AFC except for the Pats…

  35. “seems pretty outrageous to just come out and claim the Steelers can’t beat the Pats. its the NFL Florio, still amazes me how atrocious your analysis is.”

    C’mon man its obviously a tongue in cheek comment and not actual analysis. And given Brady/BB are 10-2 against the Steelers and 9-1 in the last 10 games, any rational person will consider the odds against the Steelers.

    That said, the Steelers are on a pretty good roll just like the Pats are and there’s a reason they play the games. I like the Pats chances though.

  36. udontknowjaq says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:33 pm
    The Steelers have been Competitive for Half a Century now. The Steelers don’t need to be perfect against the Patriots or to make it to the SB. The Steelers have been to 3 SBs during this Patriots “Dynasty”. Tomlin losing to BB & TB, 2 of the GOATS is nothing to hang his head for. Tomlin’s time is coming and when he beats BB in the payoff, BB won’t dominate the series any longer.

    Plus Im sure the Steelers are annoyed with the media with the Patriots every week when they respect all teams. The Steelers FO been doing it a long time also & are build to be competitive in the AFC past this season. #facts

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    No offense ,but if Brady isn’t hurt in 2008, or they don’t complete choke it down vs the Jets, Pittsburgh is nothing other a good team without SB appearances.

    This is a classic case of Steelers fans not being realistic.

    Ben is in his last year, doesn’t move like he used to and is a standing statue in the pocket, so if a team flushes out the run game early on, he becomes isolated vs a good D, when trailing in the game.

    If NE gets out in front of Pitt, the game is probably over.

  37. patsrthegreatest says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Listening to my fellow Pats fans dismiss the Steelers already sounds too much like 2007 Super Bowl or (my favorite) the 2004 ALCS… Steelers wouldn’t have to keep playing the Patriots for the AFC title on a regular basis if they were anywhere near as bad as (many) Pats say there are… don’t believe the hype, they 8-2 because they are good

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    The fact that you have to go back 10-13 years ago to validate the argument should give you pause to think. The Giants and more recently the Broncos have a much more valid argument and still, it helped them none the past two years.

    The way I see it, the playoffs are shaping up like last year again with the Pats #1 and Steelers #2 over the Chiefs at #3 in AFC which means the Steelers will beat the Chiefs at home because somehow they have their number while the Pats get the 2017 version of the 2016 Texans (a strong defensive team with no QB) and then we’ll get another Steelers visit in Foxboro for the AFCCG which may be more competitive than last year but more likely will end up with the Pats in the SB again for the 3rd time in 4 years, probably against the Eagles which is fitting since the Pats won their 3rd SB in 4 years against the Eagles. I don’t believe in destiny but you have to admit that’s an interesting scenario.

  38. When the Vikings lost to the Lions it happened in a game where everything just happened to fall in the Lions favor.

    The Lions seem to have lost the swagger they had earlier in the season- where as the Vikings seem to be getting stronger and gaining momentum as the season goes on.

    Should be a good game. Vikings most likely beat the Lions on Turkey Day.

  39. Facts checker
    Giants defense destroyed the Patriots twice in the superbowl with a terrible qb in manning. The saying is legit. Defense wins championships. Brady got embarrassed. Twice. To .the. giants. Defense. Did you forget the jets beat the Patriots with mr. Butt fumble in the playoffs. The jets!!! With a terrible qb and great defense. LoL. What about when the broncos beat them in the playoffs with a terrible qb in Jake the snake in 05. Terrible qb with a great defense led Ledbetter champ baily. What about more recently with a terrible Peyton manning in his final year but a great defense. Defense wins championships. Great defense will always beat great offense. You must be new to football if you don’t know that. Tom Brady choked for ten years in a row before finally beating the seachokes.

  40. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:39 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    Actually, it sounds nothing like that. The Steelers still play way too much zone and are a one trick pony on both sides of the ball.
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    This Steelers team is far from a “one trick pony on both sides of the ball” maybe you should watch some football besides the Pats games. They have been winning in just about every way you can including some of the ugly ones they would have lost in years past. Belichick is still Belichick and Tomlin is still Tomlin but other than that the Steelers and Pats are a tighter match up than they have been in years. I’m a Pats fan, like you when things are clicking I fear no opponent but unlike you I have seen enough on the field over the years to respect almost all of them, particularly the quality ones. And make no mistake, no matter how you choose to misrepresent them Pittsburgh is definitely a very high quality opponent.

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    Oh, I’ve watched them. They almost lost to 2 AWFUL teams in Indy and Tenn (3.5 qtrs they were toe to toe with Tenn at home), and I laughed and thought “if they play like that vs the Pats, they’ll get absolutely smoked.”

    If Indy was not so awful, that had them dominated in that game and let them off the hook. It’s Thanksgiving, dude! This is when you should be improving every week, not struggling vs inferior opponents.

    Also, playing down to your competition is the sign of an overrated team.

  41. You have no idea that the Steelers can’t beat the Patriots in a playoff game. I am tired of this site and its prognostication. Watch the game. The Patriots haven’t played ANYBODY and the good teams they do play they lose to. And don’t give me “the Broncos D blah blah blah….”. They’ve dropped what, 6 straight? The Raiders? bad team. Tampa Bay? Bad team. Etc. Caught the Saints when no one thought they had a defense (because they didn’t).

    Stop prognosticating and start reporting. Your season picks alone against MDS should tell you you don’t know as much about football as you think you do.

  42. patsrthegreatest says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Listening to my fellow Pats fans dismiss the Steelers already sounds too much like 2007 Super Bowl or (my favorite) the 2004 ALCS… Steelers wouldn’t have to keep playing the Patriots for the AFC title on a regular basis if they were anywhere near as bad as (many) Pats say there are… don’t believe the hype, they 8-2 because they are good

    …………………….

    The fact that you have to go back 10-13 years ago to validate the argument should give you pause to think. The Giants and more recently the Broncos have a much more valid argument and still, it helped them none the past two years.

    The way I see it, the playoffs are shaping up like last year again with the Pats #1 and Steelers #2 over the Chiefs at #3 in AFC which means the Steelers will beat the Chiefs at home because somehow they have their number while the Pats get the 2017 version of the 2016 Texans (a strong defensive team with no QB) and then we’ll get another Steelers visit in Foxboro for the AFCCG which may be more competitive than last year but more likely will end up with the Pats in the SB again for the 3rd time in 4 years, probably against the Eagles which is fitting since the Pats won their 3rd SB in 4 years against the Eagles. I don’t believe in destiny but you have to admit that’s an interesting scenario.

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    Nailed it. Look, if the Pats lose @ Pitt, I tip my cap and say “see you in a few weeks”..

    Anyone can beat anyone any time, but on paper, Pitt is the same team last year as they are this year.

  43. Defense wins championships” is as outdated as the Steelers teambuilding business model.
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    6 of the last 10 Super Bowl losers were held to 17 points or fewer. (Including your Patriots, TWICE!)

  44. 10. Lions (6-4; No. 11): Win Thursday vs. Minnesota, and the Lions will still be a game behind Minnesota.

    There, I fixed it for you.

  45. steelcurtainn says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:50 pm
    The patriots have lived at home for the playoffs not as well on the road. Get the Steelers at home in the playoffs and it will be a different story for NE.

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    Why? So, you think Tomlin can outwit BB twice in 3 weeks? Wouldn’t the average, educated fan think the opposite?

  46. realamericanheroblog says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Man I can’t wait for the vikings to lose Thursday so their fans shut the $#%^ up. “We have a more complete team…” You have Case Keenum, shhhhhhuuuushhh.

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    The Vikings actually have a very solid team across the board- on both sides of the ball- and play with a total team effort.

    Apparently this bothers you for some reason.

  47. 26. Cardinals (4-6; No. 23): Blaine Gabbert gets another start, while Colin Kaepernick still can’t get even a phone call.

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    And that’s nobody’s fault but Kaepernick’s.

    If Kaepernick had just kept his mouth shut, been willing to take a backup QB job for little or no guaranteed money over the summer, and committed to not being a spectacle of himself, he would be starting for someone in the NFL right now. But he felt like acting like an assclown and accusing his prospective employers in the NFL of collusion, so that kinda shot that down.

    Of course, Florio never looks at it that way.

  48. Based on numbers alone, there’s *no way* the Pats rank ahead of the Eagles; the Pats D is ranked dead last in yards allowed per game while the Eagles at or near the top in almost every defensive category.

    Any power ranking that has the Pats ahead of the Eagles does so purely based on the Bellichick / Brady mystique.

    I think that if the Eagles don’t lose their minds to the pressures of December / January, and they just go out there and play their game, they’ll win out. But given the youth on that team, that’s a big “if.”

  49. aarons444 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:50 pm
    Defense wins championships” is as outdated as the Steelers teambuilding business model.
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    6 of the last 10 Super Bowl losers were held to 17 points or fewer. (Including your Patriots, TWICE!)

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    Outlier examples. Pats offense wildly under-achieved in both Super Bowls.

    Every single SB since 2008, has been a back and forth, who scores last affair, with the losing team’s D gassed mainly because of an under-producing offense on their own side of the ball.

    Get it?

    You’d have to be dumb at this point to not understand you need a great offense and just a good D to win.

    This is the Pats recipe. They’ve invested more in offense, because they have Brady AND the rules have changed to favor offenses.

    It’s why Seattle and Denver, while winning one SB each, attending 2 Sbs, have it wrong and BB has it right.

    Their models are a bit outdated. It’s contingent on a team like NE having a bad day at the office or a rash of injuries, in order to get by them.

    If Gronk is healthy in SB 46, NE waxes the Giants, and everyone knows it.

    if NE isn’t sending a B Squad to Denver due to so many key starters on IR, as Goodell cheats helping Peyton and Denver, NE waxes Denver in 2013 and 2015.

    We just saw it last week. Denver got smoked because NE is better built.

  50. therealtrenches says:
    November 21, 2017 at 1:06 pm
    Based on numbers alone, there’s *no way* the Pats rank ahead of the Eagles; the Pats D is ranked dead last in yards allowed per game while the Eagles at or near the top in almost every defensive category.

    Any power ranking that has the Pats ahead of the Eagles does so purely based on the Bellichick / Brady mystique.

    I think that if the Eagles don’t lose their minds to the pressures of December / January, and they just go out there and play their game, they’ll win out. But given the youth on that team, that’s a big “if.”

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    No offense, but if you think the BB/Brady combo vs Pederson/Wentz in a SB would not be adavantage Pats, you have a serious disorder. Of course it’s advantage Pats. Eagles could certainly win the game, but on paper, it’s advantage Pats everywhere.

    That rug may come out from under Philly sooner than you think.

  51. 10. Lions (6-4; No. 11): Win Thursday vs. Minnesota, and the Lions will win the NFC North.
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    In the last two games alone the Lions have down early to the Bears and the Browns. Stafford has to pass like 50 times a game for the Lions to win. He isn’t going to like that many drop backs against the Vikings Defense.

  52. rob471773 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:26 pm
    patsrthegreatest says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Listening to my fellow Pats fans dismiss the Steelers already sounds too much like 2007 Super Bowl or (my favorite) the 2004 ALCS… Steelers wouldn’t have to keep playing the Patriots for the AFC title on a regular basis if they were anywhere near as bad as (many) Pats say there are… don’t believe the hype, they 8-2 because they are good
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    There’s a reason for Pats fans to be very confident in beating Pittsburgh. It comes down to 2 major reasons.

    1. A massive coaching/strategy advantage. Belichick and Patriots staff coaches circles around Tomlin and crew. Look at last years playoff game. Brady just surgically picking apart the Steelers zone D all day. No adjustments made by Pittsburgh, they just continued to let Brady destroy them.

    2. Brady vs. Pittsburgh D. Brady has torched the Pittsburgh D soooooo many times. I find it hard to believe this wouldn’t happen again. It’s been across multiple personnel/coaching regimes too. Brady has crushed them when there blitz happy and too aggressive or when they play a passive zone scheme.

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    I don’t know how this couldn’t be the analysis. The simple fact is, most teams can’t handle Gronk AND the RB skill sets out of the Pats backfield. They just keep rolling the RBs in and out to keep them fresh, and if you choose to double Gronk, Brady looks for a flanker or just hits the RB into the flat.

    You’d have to disguise what you’re planning to do on Gronk in man, then rush only floor and mix your man and zone, so when you do show zone, you’re flooding the middle of the field.

    Crap. I just gave the blueprint, but even if you succeed here, NE will just play a completely different way, and adjust.

    The improvement is each RB can run between the tackles, run outside as well and catch and block well.

    McDaniels has the weaponry to not need to tip what kind of a play it is.

  53. steelcurtainn says:

    November 21, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    The patriots have lived at home for the playoffs not as well on the road. Get the Steelers at home in the playoffs and it will be a different story for NE.
    ———————-
    Pats have knocked off the Steelers multiple times in Pittsburgh. Pats don’t fear Heinz field.

  54. After Thanksgiving Day, the Lions will pounce into the top 5, when the Vikings choke in the Motor City like a cat with furballs! Then the pretentious Vikings fans will be silenced.

    Like one of our MANY great residents of Detroit, Aretha Franklin, said: R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

    ROAR ON!!!!

  55. You’d have to be dumb at this point to not understand you need a great offense and just a good D to win.
    ======

    No.

    I just look at the data available and reach a logical conclusion.

    Seattle and Denver are classic recent examples that “defense wins Championships”

  56. I am a Packers fan. They should be ranked 30th. Denver is better for sure. 49ers might be better, and Browns will have a chance to beat GB in a few weeks. There will never be a better time to beat GB – Rodgers is out and McCarthy/Capers are in.

  57. mnvikes1961 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:55 pm
    realamericanheroblog says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Man I can’t wait for the vikings to lose Thursday so their fans shut the $#%^ up. “We have a more complete team…” You have Case Keenum, shhhhhhuuuushhh.

    ____________

    The Vikings actually have a very solid team across the board- on both sides of the ball- and play with a total team effort.

    Apparently this bothers you for some reason.
    ——
    13 shares of packer stock says the original poster is a packer fan.

    Why 13? One for each screw in Rodgers’ collarbone.

  58. realamericanheroblog says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Man I can’t wait for the vikings to lose Thursday so their fans shut the $#%^ up. “We have a more complete team…” You have Case Keenum, shhhhhhuuuushhh.

    There’s only one team in the NFL with a top 5 offense and a top 5 defense. Can you name them? #complete

  59. wib22 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:59 am

    Vikings > patriots

    Better all around team.

    They also don’t cheat
    ——————

    Oh yeah? Well, the Vikings were caught on national television tampering with the footballs, when they were heating them up with the sideline heaters. They were also caught deflating football in a playoff game a couple of years ago and the league had to replace them at halftime.

    Of course, they aren’t a threat to parity, so the league didn’t do anything to them.

  60. In Teddy We Trust says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:52 am
    10. Lions (6-4; No. 11): Win Thursday vs. Minnesota, and the Lions will win the NFC North.
    _________
    Hard to believe. The team the Kitties are playing on Turkey Day is WAY improved than the team they played Week 4 where the Vikes lost their star RB and back-up Case Keenum still didn’t have command of the O or Kumbaya with WRs that he has in Week 12. Our running game has also come full circle with a now healthy Murray and very effective McKinnon and our O-Line is playing as a phenomenal unit, not to mention a D getting better and better, and much better than he D of the Kitties. I suspect Florio is taking this view as not to JINX his Mn Vikings.

  61. tylawspick6 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    therealtrenches says:
    November 21, 2017 at 1:06 pm
    Based on numbers alone, there’s *no way* the Pats rank ahead of the Eagles; the Pats D is ranked dead last in yards allowed per game while the Eagles at or near the top in almost every defensive category.

    Any power ranking that has the Pats ahead of the Eagles does so purely based on the Bellichick / Brady mystique.

    I think that if the Eagles don’t lose their minds to the pressures of December / January, and they just go out there and play their game, they’ll win out. But given the youth on that team, that’s a big “if.”

    1 0 Rate This

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    No offense, but if you think the BB/Brady combo vs Pederson/Wentz in a SB would not be adavantage Pats, you have a serious disorder. Of course it’s advantage Pats. Eagles could certainly win the game, but on paper, it’s advantage Pats everywhere.

    That rug may come out from under Philly sooner than you think.

    —————

    Nowhere in my comment do I come even close to saying I think that that BB combo wouldn’t be an advantage over Pederson Wentz. in fact, I’m saying the opposite: if you just look at the numbers, the Eagles should rank ahead of the Pats. But because of the BB combo, some power rankings have the Pats ahead of the Eagles despite the numbers. That’s a tribute to those two.

    Thin skinned much?

  62. 2016 Carolina Panthers, #1 offense – completely dismantled in SB 50

    2013 Denver Broncos, RECORD BREAKING offense – absolultely destroyed in SB 48

  63. Reading this was awesome… Some observations…

    1) I pray for a Vikings Patriots Super Bowl, Honestly??? Case Keenum Vs Tom Brady and Who ever is Coaching the Vikings Vs BB?

    2) The reason why Pitt keeps losing to the Patriots is preparation, In game adjustments, and Tom Brady. Until that changes Pitt loses again.

    3) Wentz is the real deal… He is gonna be the next big thing in this league. I would not be surprised if the Eagles get it this year. That is a good Football team.

  64. rob471773 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:22 pm
    Steelers are too high, they should be at #5 behind the Vikings and Saints.
    ________________

    The Steelers have beaten 5 teams with a .500 or better record including those Vikings 26-9 a week after the Viking beat the Saints. The Steelers have a habit of playing down to inferior teams. I’m not sure why that happens but they also typically rise to the occasion against all good teams not named the Patriots. I hope this is the year they finally get that Patriots monkey off their back but I’ll take the Steelers against any team in the league on a neutral field.

  65. I agree with a few others here that the Saints and Vikings should be above the Steelers.

    I think we can all agree on one thing: The NFC is much better overall than the AFC this year. AFC is 16-26 against the NFC. Outside of of the Patriots and Steelers, the AFC has nobody. And don’t tell me the Jags; that team isn’t going far with Bortles under center.

    In the AFC at least one team gets in at 9-7. In the NFC that won’t do it. Very likely teams will need to go 10-6 to catch a wild card.

  66. dougchillin says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    ————-

    I am a Steeler fan too and the coaching gap from Bill B to Tomlin is always a big hurdle. But its the NFL, i am not saying they will, i am saying the CAN. The Steelers CAN win. It isn’t definite like the comment says.

    __________________

    I agree – Bill B > Mike T. For the rest of the comment, it sounds like you just need to understand hyperbole. “Never” means they have a small/very small chance, not NEVER.

  67. In putting the Cardinals at 26 you just can’t stop with the misguided crusade for Kaepernick. Did you happen to notice the guy that beat him out in SF played a pretty decent game on Sunday in throwing for 257 yds with 3 TDs? That factor in at all, Florio?

  68. theyearofthecat1 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    After Thanksgiving Day, the Lions will pounce into the top 5, when the Vikings choke in the Motor City like a cat with furballs! Then the pretentious Vikings fans will be silenced.

    Like one of our MANY great residents of Detroit, Aretha Franklin, said: R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

    ROAR ON!!!!
    ____________

    Please don’t wheel Aretha out to sing the anthem again this year.

    And the Vikings and I have plenty of respect for the Lions. No one is taking this game lightly. I have no respect for you, however, and whatever the team you like does will not change that. Don’t take your behavioral cues from Packer fans.

  69. It’s so fun listening to all of the jealous trolls whose teams currently stink (ahem…Redskins, Giants, Cowboys) ragging on the Eagles and praying every night for them to fail. Fact is, this is the first year as an Eagles fan that I EVER felt confident in the capabilities of the team as a whole. Never did with Donovan, even after TO came. Never trusted Andy Reid to take them all the way and win the big one. Chiefs fans are now beginning to see why. Wentz is the real deal folks…live with it!

  70. streetyson says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:55 am
    Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
    ————————–
    Last 6 games, Patriots allowed 75 points (12.5/gm), Vikings allowed 96 (16/gm). Read it & weep!

    ————

    Sorry Pats fans.

    With Green Bay down this year due to poor management of backup QBs, I see now the Viking faithful have started shooting shots across the bow at you guys.

    Amazing how winning nothing brings out the worst in fans when they get the slightest sniff of it.

  71. We are now seeing exactly how overrated Seattle and Green Bay have been these past several seasons. They’re both fragile & soft with too much hype being thrown at too few players and overrating how good some of those few players are.

    As an example, we’re constantly told how great Aaron Rodgers is and yet his team never, ever amounts to anything and now they are stumbling their way around the NFC, with a dismal Chicago team being their best hope.

  72. In Glendale, WI, the Bavarian Bierhaus may go out of business due to the futility of the GB Packers.

    I’m serious.

    They have been running a “free beer until the Packers score” promotion.

    Last Sunday they served free beer to around 200 patrons for the whole game.

    Will the Packers score again this season?

    The proprietor of the Bavarian Bierhaus sure hopes they score soon.

  73. Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.

    —-

    Actually the Vikings have a lousy record vs Brady. They are 0-4 since Brady came into the league in 2001.

  74. tylawspick6 says:

    November 21, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    therealtrenches says:
    November 21, 2017 at 1:06 pm
    Based on numbers alone, there’s *no way* the Pats rank ahead of the Eagles; the Pats D is ranked dead last in yards allowed per game while the Eagles at or near the top in almost every defensive category.

    Any power ranking that has the Pats ahead of the Eagles does so purely based on the Bellichick / Brady mystique.

    I think that if the Eagles don’t lose their minds to the pressures of December / January, and they just go out there and play their game, they’ll win out. But given the youth on that team, that’s a big “if.”

    1 0 Rate This

    ——————

    No offense, but if you think the BB/Brady combo vs Pederson/Wentz in a SB would not be adavantage Pats, you have a serious disorder. Of course it’s advantage Pats. Eagles could certainly win the game, but on paper, it’s advantage Pats everywhere.

    That rug may come out from under Philly sooner than you think.

    ——–

    Advantage Pats everywhere? Outside of QB and head coach, I can’t think of any position where the Pats have an advantage over the Eagles.

    Gronk and Ertz is a push.
    Cooks is a better No. 1 receiver, but the Eagles unit altogether is better.
    RBs is runaway for the Eagles.
    Ditto OL.
    DL… child please. Eagles in a landslide.
    Ditto LBs, even without Hicks.
    DBs are close, but the reintroduction of Darby puts the Eagles unit over the Pats.

    That said QB is king and Brady is the GOAT. As much as I love Wentz, Brady alone can be the difference. But let’s not pretend that the Pats overwhelm the Eagles all over the field.

  75. Pats have knocked off the Steelers multiple times in Pittsburgh. Pats don’t fear Heinz field.
    ______________________________________________________________________
    The pats have knocked off old steeler teams at heinz field. They have yet to knock of this team while healthy. Both losses last year came with no Big Ben at home and no leveon bell on the road. This won’t be a cake walk like last year if the Steelers are healthy especially at home.

  76. steelcurtainn says:

    November 21, 2017 at 12:50 pm

    The patriots have lived at home for the playoffs not as well on the road. Get the Steelers at home in the playoffs and it will be a different story for NE.

    ——–
    Ha! That Pats have a better postseason record at Heinz field than the Steelers!!

  77. andrwken says:

    November 21, 2017 at 1:44 pm

    streetyson says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:55 am
    Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
    ————————–
    Last 6 games, Patriots allowed 75 points (12.5/gm), Vikings allowed 96 (16/gm). Read it & weep!

    ————

    Sorry Pats fans.

    With Green Bay down this year due to poor management of backup QBs, I see now the Viking faithful have started shooting shots across the bow at you guys.

    Amazing how winning nothing brings out the worst in fans when they get the slightest sniff of it.

    ———
    The Pats would be more than happy to put the Vikings and their fans out of their misery

  78. gisellichek says:

    1) I pray for a Vikings Patriots Super Bowl, Honestly??? Case Keenum Vs Tom Brady and Who ever is Coaching the Vikings Vs BB?

    You do realize that the QBs don’t play head-to-head right? The QB plays against the opponents defense. And Tom Brady vs the Vikings defense would be a very intriguing matchup.

    Likewise, the Vikings have a ton 5 offense lead by Keenum and Shurmur. That would also be a very intriguing matchup against an up and down Pats defense.

    Enough good things cannot be said about what Shurmur has done with the offense. Likewise, Zimmer is a defensive mastermind and it would be great to see he and Belichick playing chess.

  79. In Teddy We Trust, you are somewhat reasonable on here, but most of your Vikings peeps are no different than the Packer fans you reference. I’m actually taking my behavioral cues from those Viking fans.

  80. jvw1982 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 12:41 pm

    Top 5 should be Pats, Eagles, Vikings, Saints, Rams, Steelers…..the NFC is much better than the AFC except for the Pats…
    —————
    #learntocount

  81. realamericanheroblog says:

    November 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Man I can’t wait for the vikings to lose Thursday so their fans shut the $#%^ up. “We have a more complete team…” You have Case Keenum, shhhhhhuuuushhh.

    —————–

    Complete team means you don’t need an elite QB play. Do you not understand that? Yes we have Case for our QB? And most Vikings fans are happy with it. He is playing well, and the whole team is playing well. When you have a good all around team, you don’t need the best QB. This argument is so stupid. The Vikings just beat a team with the “BEST” rated offense, and a Defense that was actually rated higher than theirs. The Rams.

  82. ajzinnecker says:

    November 21, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    realamericanheroblog says:

    November 21, 2017 at 12:46 pm

    Man I can’t wait for the vikings to lose Thursday so their fans shut the $#%^ up. “We have a more complete team…” You have Case Keenum, shhhhhhuuuushhh.

    —————–

    Also….if we lose Thursday I still think we have a good team. Playing on a short week against a tough division opponent is not easy. I wouldn’t be surprised if they lose.

  83. “Bears (3-7; No. 27): Kicking changes always seem to come a week to late.”

    While this is a good point, a better point would be that “Bears (3-7; No. 27): Kicking changes always seem to come a week too late.”.

  84. We are now seeing exactly how overrated Seattle and Green Bay have been these past several seasons. They’re both fragile & soft with too much hype being thrown at too few players and overrating how good some of those few players are.
    ======

    Uh, how are they any different than all the other competitors?

    Every team is flawed now. Even the Patriots. Great offense, bad defense (worst in yards allowed)

    Seattle and Green Bay are the same. GB – great offense, crap sandwich defense.. Seattle, the opposite.

    The only striking differece for the Patriots is Belichick.

    .. the run for both of those teams may be over. But they’re certainly not overrated over the last few years, unless you find getting to the Playoffs every year, and winning Playoff games “overrated”

  85. I am getting a kick out of the poor Vikings’ fans sticking their chests out now that Aaron Rodgers isn’t stealing their lunch money! And at the same time many of these same posters are pining to bring back Teddy Bridgewater!!!

  86. Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
    ———————————
    If you believe the Vikings could beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl you’re high on whatever’s on the streets in Minneapolis. Case Keenum isn’t beating anyone once the playoffs start. Start practicing your “we’re gonna be awesome next year” speeches. If Barr hadn’t laid a cheap shot on Rogers you’d be third in your division.

  87. darkneptune73 says:

    November 21, 2017 at 1:56 pm

    Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.

    —-

    Actually the Vikings have a lousy record vs Brady. They are 0-4 since Brady came into the league in 2001.

    ——

    This makes so much sense, because every Vikings team has the same players and coaching, so history means everything! Another stupid argument.

  88. Repulicansarefundamentallyawfulpeople says:

    November 21, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
    ———————————
    If you believe the Vikings could beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl you’re high on whatever’s on the streets in Minneapolis. Case Keenum isn’t beating anyone once the playoffs start. Start practicing your “we’re gonna be awesome next year” speeches. If Barr hadn’t laid a cheap shot on Rogers you’d be third in your division.

    —————

    Your right Case isn’t beating anyone. Good thing it’s a team sport huh? We don’t need him to beat teams, because our team beats teams.

  89. Even as a Pats fan, if they win AFC, Eagles or Vikings will be a difficult opponent. I guess I’d rather they make it to the Super Bowl and lose then not make it there at all.

  90. ajzinnecker says:
    November 21, 2017 at 2:59 pm
    Repulicansarefundamentallyawfulpeople says:

    November 21, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
    ———————————
    If you believe the Vikings could beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl you’re high on whatever’s on the streets in Minneapolis. Case Keenum isn’t beating anyone once the playoffs start. Start practicing your “we’re gonna be awesome next year” speeches. If Barr hadn’t laid a cheap shot on Rogers you’d be third in your division.

    —————

    Your right Case isn’t beating anyone. Good thing it’s a team sport huh? We don’t need him to beat teams, because our team beats teams.
    ——————————
    0.0 chance.

  91. nhpats says:

    November 21, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    I am getting a kick out of the poor Vikings’ fans sticking their chests out now that Aaron Rodgers isn’t stealing their lunch money! And at the same time many of these same posters are pining to bring back Teddy Bridgewater!!!

    ————-

    With how bad Green Bay’s defense is I could see the Vikings beating them with Rodgers in the lineup. This team is playing good. We just stopped the #1 scoring offense. Granted Rodgers is a better QB than Goff, but I think the Rams are a better team period than the Packers. Keep winning, but if it takes one playering going down to turn your team from a good team to a not good team…..I hate to say it but your team sucks. It’s a team sport. The Vikings have been using a backup QB….back up running backs, back up offensive linemen, back up defensive players, have missed Diggs is in several games and keep winning. Teams can win with backup QB’s. If you don’t think so, than tell that to Kurt Warner. Packer fans are pathetic.

  92. allight59 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:54 am
    Packers would lose to 25 to 32 on this list….
    ————————————————–
    They beat #27 just last week, Einstein.

  93. Repulicansarefundamentallyawfulpeople says:

    November 21, 2017 at 3:04 pm

    ajzinnecker says:
    November 21, 2017 at 2:59 pm
    Repulicansarefundamentallyawfulpeople says:

    November 21, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
    ———————————
    If you believe the Vikings could beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl you’re high on whatever’s on the streets in Minneapolis. Case Keenum isn’t beating anyone once the playoffs start. Start practicing your “we’re gonna be awesome next year” speeches. If Barr hadn’t laid a cheap shot on Rogers you’d be third in your division.

    —————

    Your right Case isn’t beating anyone. Good thing it’s a team sport huh? We don’t need him to beat teams, because our team beats teams.
    ——————————
    0.0 chance.

    ———–

    Tell that to Kurt Warner who was a “nobody”. I’m not saying the Vikings are winning the superbowl, or whatever. I’m just saying it’s pathetic how people aren’t giving them credit with overcoming injuries and playing “as a team”, just because we don’t have a name brand QB. Case is playing as good as any QB because the offensive line is playing well, giving him time, and AdamT, and Diggs are making plays. A team effort. The fact you don’t get that clearly means you haven’t watched a single Vikings game and just look at the Roster showing Case as the QB…and assuming they have no chance. It’s pathetic.

  94. streetyson says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:55 am
    Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
    ————————–
    Last 6 games, Patriots allowed 75 points (12.5/gm), Vikings allowed 96 (16/gm). Read it & weep!
    =====================
    Yeah – against pathetic competition. Brittle Brady get bones broken against a real defense.

  95. The Vikings are 4-1 against Erin and the also-rans in Zimmer’s tenure. I get that you might not understand those things. Maybe your little sister can explain it to you in a language you understand – one that includes burping and farting noises.

  96. ajzinnecker says:
    November 21, 2017 at 3:07 pm
    nhpats says:

    November 21, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    I am getting a kick out of the poor Vikings’ fans sticking their chests out now that Aaron Rodgers isn’t stealing their lunch money! And at the same time many of these same posters are pining to bring back Teddy Bridgewater!!!

    ————-

    With how bad Green Bay’s defense is I could see the Vikings beating them with Rodgers in the lineup. This team is playing good. We just stopped the #1 scoring offense. Granted Rodgers is a better QB than Goff, but I think the Rams are a better team period than the Packers. Keep winning, but if it takes one playering going down to turn your team from a good team to a not good team…..I hate to say it but your team sucks. It’s a team sport. The Vikings have been using a backup QB….back up running backs, back up offensive linemen, back up defensive players, have missed Diggs is in several games and keep winning. Teams can win with backup QB’s. If you don’t think so, than tell that to Kurt Warner. Packer fans are pathetic.
    ——————-
    You have brought new meaning to the term delusional. Case Keenum is in the mold of Matt More, certainly not Kurt Warner. Again, Vikings are third in their division had it not been for the cheap shot by Barr on Rogers.

  97. The Vikings are 4-1 against Erin and the also-rans in Zimmer’s tenure. I get that you might not understand those things. Maybe your little sister can explain it to you in a language you understand – one that includes burping and farting noises.

    —–

    I hate to say it, but this is not true.

    2014 The first year Zimmer was in the league the Packers split us. One game had Ponder in it (Do I need to say more?) and the second Bridgewater lost by 3.

    2015 – We split with the Packers

    2016 – We split with the Packers

    2017 – This year remains to be seen. Most likely a sweep with no Aaron Rodgers.

    So at the end of the year it will be 4 – 4 most likely.

    I’m a Vikings fan for sure. But your stats are definitely not accurate. Rodgers has had our number for many years, but after Zimmer has been here awhile it’s more competitive.

  98. My question is: Why is ElmerBrown so obsessed with the Eagles? Are you that jealous that they are doing so well this year? You make a comment putting them down on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE. Is your life that empty dude? Get a hobby.

  99. ajzinnecker says:
    November 21, 2017 at 3:07 pm
    nhpats says:

    November 21, 2017 at 2:30 pm

    I am getting a kick out of the poor Vikings’ fans sticking their chests out now that Aaron Rodgers isn’t stealing their lunch money! And at the same time many of these same posters are pining to bring back Teddy Bridgewater!!!

    ————-

    With how bad Green Bay’s defense is I could see the Vikings beating them with Rodgers in the lineup. This team is playing good. We just stopped the #1 scoring offense. Granted Rodgers is a better QB than Goff, but I think the Rams are a better team period than the Packers. Keep winning, but if it takes one playering going down to turn your team from a good team to a not good team…..I hate to say it but your team sucks. It’s a team sport. The Vikings have been using a backup QB….back up running backs, back up offensive linemen, back up defensive players, have missed Diggs is in several games and keep winning. Teams can win with backup QB’s. If you don’t think so, than tell that to Kurt Warner. Packer fans are pathetic.
    ——————-
    You have brought new meaning to the term delusional. Case Keenum is in the mold of Matt More, certainly not Kurt Warner. Again, Vikings are third in their division had it not been for the cheap shot by Barr on Rogers.

    ——

    The Vikings won the NFC North (Not third in the league) with Bridgewater who played worse than Case in 2015. What your excuse here? And Rodgers played that whole season. What is your excuse? They won because of good defense. This year we still have a good defense, we have a good WR’s (Better WR’s. They are producing with apparently a terrible QB in Case, while Adam’s and Nelson aren’t doing anything without Rodgers, whats your excuse here? ), good run game. They won in 2015 with Rodgers playing all season, and this year the team is much improved.

    No one really knows what will happen, or not happen if Rodgers played or didn’t play, but the fact is the Vikings won the NFC North in 2015 with worse QB play than we are getting this year and the Packers have split with the Vikings every year with Zimmer as coach except for 2014. I’m not saying one or the other. I’m not saying the Vikigns would win for sure even if Rodgers is out or not, but I’m also saying it’s not out of the question because it has happened (in 2015) with worse QB play.

    You obviously don’t understand team football to see that you can win with an average QB (Again it happened in 2015, did you forget?) I have the up most respect to Rodgers. I think he is the best QB in the league, but the Vikings defense has beaten him and has won the NFC North. So to say it’s not possible if Rodgers played is absurd.

    If it takes one cheap shots to end your season, your whole roster (except for Rodgers) is bad. Clay Mathews has done cheap shots on our QB’s for years. Stop complaining.

  100. Any given Sunday and all but… I just love how good the World Champion Patriots are on the road this year. 13 in a freaking ROW!

    The competition is scared, as they should be. Teams that not just don’t lose but completely dominate on the road indeed are scary. 🙂

  101. Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.

    Bring it! We DON’T lose on the road and we would welcome clown stomping the Vikings in a Super Bowl at your house in front of your fans.

    FEAR the World Champions. Road warriors of 2017!


  102. coltluger says:
    November 21, 2017 at 3:12 pm
    ….Brittle Brady…
    ———————————-

    The above is not exactly a brilliant nickname for a QB who has started, and helped his team win, more playoff games and more Super Bowls than any QB who has come before him and, very likely, any QB who comes after him.

    Tom Brady holds so many positive records for QBs, and/or is at or near the top in so many regular season records, I would get finger cramps just trying to type all of the records.

    That is not the work of a brittle man, that is the work of the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time.

  103. I’m sick of Cheeseheads acting like Barr purposely hurt A Rodgers. That’s such garbage. You don’t hear Vikes fans whining about Clay Matthews injuring A Peterson TWICE causing an ACL tear and last year a knee problem that kept him off the field most of the season. Injuries happen in football. Your big concern should be your team’s total inability to compensate for injuries and win games despite. So many other teams CAN compensate. Your obsession with Barr/Rodgers is really juvenile and classless.

  104. Repulicansarefundamentallyawfulpeople says:
    November 21, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    If you believe the Vikings could beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl you’re high on whatever’s on the streets in Minneapolis. Case Keenum isn’t beating anyone once the playoffs start. Start practicing your “we’re gonna be awesome next year” speeches. If Barr hadn’t laid a cheap shot on Rogers you’d be third in your division.
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    Looking at your screen name, I can see that you know nothing about politics and can’t spell. So I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you believe that Rodgers playing a full season would cause the Vikings to lose games in which Rodgers doesn’t play.

    Let’s say Rodgers doesn’t get hurt and the Packers win all the games they lost without him, including the Viking game. Would the Vikings not still be 7-3? The Lions beat the Packers without Rodgers, so wouldn’t it be more likely they would be 5-5? I’m not seeing how the Vikings are third in the division if Rodgers is playing.

  105. Ponytail Girl says:
    November 21, 2017 at 4:04 pm
    I’m sick of Cheeseheads acting like Barr purposely hurt A Rodgers. That’s such garbage. You don’t hear Vikes fans whining about Clay Matthews injuring A Peterson TWICE causing an ACL tear and last year a knee problem that kept him off the field most of the season. Injuries happen in football. Your big concern should be your team’s total inability to compensate for injuries and win games despite. So many other teams CAN compensate. Your obsession with Barr/Rodgers is really juvenile and classless.

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    The cheeseheads didn’t say it on this thread.

    But you Viking fans are doing a great job of being civil to fans of other successful franchises as well.

    It’s just like in real life. Getting drunk and picking fights at other teams stadiums.

    Stay classy Minnesota….

  106. coltluger says:
    November 21, 2017 at 3:12 pm
    streetyson says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:55 am
    Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
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    Last 6 games, Patriots allowed 75 points (12.5/gm), Vikings allowed 96 (16/gm). Read it & weep!
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    Yeah – against pathetic competition. Brittle Brady get bones broken against a real defense.

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    Amazing that you can outdo your usual delusional tripe about Rodgers and find new ground calling Brady soft.

    There is virtually no argument to be made about the mans success in the NFL or in real life (see Gisele)

    Sometimes I think the whole state of Minnesota would erupt into uncontained madness if they actually won it all.

    They are out of control at 8-2 with nothing to speak up of yet.

  107. Crazy to think that the four or five teams could have divisions locked up by week 13 this year.

    I think the Vikes would have a tougher time against the Eagles than the Patriost simply because the Eagle Defense is legit. Not that I think the Vikes would have it easy against the PATS, but at least it’s our strength against their strength. Vikings D has shutdown both the Saints and the Rams and one of the few teams that kept A.Brown in check (though in a loss) so I like our chances in the playoffs.

    The Case Keenum bashing is nonsensical. He was on bad teams and made them mediocre. He’s now on a good team and making them great. That’s what a franchise QB should do! Keenum going to get paid some seriously $$ next year for someone, and I wouldn’t mind it being the Vikings.

  108. In Teddy We Trust says:
    November 21, 2017 at 4:10 pm
    Repulicansarefundamentallyawfulpeople says:
    November 21, 2017 at 2:33 pm

    If you believe the Vikings could beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl you’re high on whatever’s on the streets in Minneapolis. Case Keenum isn’t beating anyone once the playoffs start. Start practicing your “we’re gonna be awesome next year” speeches. If Barr hadn’t laid a cheap shot on Rogers you’d be third in your division.
    _________

    Looking at your screen name, I can see that you know nothing about politics and can’t spell. So I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you believe that Rodgers playing a full season would cause the Vikings to lose games in which Rodgers doesn’t play.

    Let’s say Rodgers doesn’t get hurt and the Packers win all the games they lost without him, including the Viking game. Would the Vikings not still be 7-3? The Lions beat the Packers without Rodgers, so wouldn’t it be more likely they would be 5-5? I’m not seeing how the Vikings are third in the division if Rodgers is playing.
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    Lol, okay Mr. Grammar police, what a tool. The politics are just fine, I will sleep well at night.
    You already lost to the Lions at home, predicting another loss to them on Thursday. With Rogers you lose twice to the Packers. What do you prefer? Tied for second? Based on the typical late season nosedive I feel comfortable giving you third.

  109. purplepackerhater says:
    November 21, 2017 at 4:38 pm
    Crazy to think that the four or five teams could have divisions locked up by week 13 this year.

    I think the Vikes would have a tougher time against the Eagles than the Patriost simply because the Eagle Defense is legit. Not that I think the Vikes would have it easy against the PATS, but at least it’s our strength against their strength. Vikings D has shutdown both the Saints and the Rams and one of the few teams that kept A.Brown in check (though in a loss) so I like our chances in the playoffs.

    The Case Keenum bashing is nonsensical. He was on bad teams and made them mediocre. He’s now on a good team and making them great. That’s what a franchise QB should do! Keenum going to get paid some seriously $$ next year for someone, and I wouldn’t mind it being the Vikings.
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    Huh? Keenum made bad teams mediocre? Lol, the Vikings have the 5th easiest schedule this year. That and a cheap shot to Rogers is the reason for their record. Brady would tear that defense to pieces, and the defense would be licking their chops to face Keenum.

  110. ———————
    Lol, okay Mr. Grammar police, what a tool. The politics are just fine, I will sleep well at night.
    You already lost to the Lions at home, predicting another loss to them on Thursday. With Rogers you lose twice to the Packers. What do you prefer? Tied for second? Based on the typical late season nosedive I feel comfortable giving you third.
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    The Packers havent swept the Vikings in two season so to just assume they will again with Rodgers is pretty arrogant and stupid. The last season the Packers swept the Vikings was when ponder had to play, and in Teddys rookie season. Do you want a medal? Its stupid to just assume. Recent history shows a trend of us splitting. Even Packer fans i know that have a shred of common sense know its not a given in recent history. Do we get third in 2015 when Rodgers played all year?

  111. The Steelers almost lost to the Colts, Browns and Lions, lost to the Bears while getting blowout by the Jags. The Saints are a much better team where they have lost to the Pats and Vikings, both leading their divisions and should be ranked 3rd, the Steelers 4th and Vikings 5th.

  112. lol. the patriots remaining schedule all but ensures at least a 13-3 record.

    that game in Pitt will determine home field and therefore, which of these teams goes to the superbowl. as predicted before the season started.

    Eagles are the huge favorite in the NFC. Sorry but my vikings and the saints don’t stand a chance against the Eagles. Nobody in the NFC can beat the Eagles.

  113. jay25340 says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:50 am
    The NFC playoffs are looking good this year!

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    Yes they are too bad the same thing can’t be said about the AFC. Some bad teams in that conference will be making the playoffs.

  114. streetyson says:

    November 21, 2017 at 11:55 am

    Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
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    Last 6 games, Patriots allowed 75 points (12.5/gm), Vikings allowed 96 (16/gm). Read it & weep!

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    Last 1 game the Vikings allowed 7 to the highest scoring offense in NFL and the pats allowed 16. Silly argument you are trying to make. Last I saw the pats are close to 30th in both defensive benchmarks. But boston fans are boston fans.

  115. ariani1985 says:

    November 21, 2017 at 11:48 am

    the Packers should be ranked behind 10 college teams and probably 5 high school teams also…..they stink!

    Even if you put Alabama up against the Cleveland Browns, Alabama would lose miserably. Stop the nonsense about packers are ranked behind 10 colleges. Its a completely different game.

  116. I would consider contraction of other teams rather than the Browns. The Browns had a long and proud tradition of winning and building the league all the way back to their namesake, before being utterly reamed in the 1990s in ways I need not repeat. The league would not exist without them and frankly has done a terrible job supporting them and their history. Really awful.
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    The league existed just fine without them from 1919-1946 and 1996-1999

  117. I hate to say it, but this is not true.

    2014 The first year Zimmer was in the league the Packers split us. One game had Ponder in it (Do I need to say more?) and the second Bridgewater lost by 3.

    2015 – We split with the Packers

    2016 – We split with the Packers

    2017 – This year remains to be seen. Most likely a sweep with no Aaron Rodgers.

    So at the end of the year it will be 4 – 4 most likely.

    I’m a Vikings fan for sure. But your stats are definitely not accurate. Rodgers has had our number for many years, but after Zimmer has been here awhile it’s more competitive.
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    Your not accurate either,
    2014 the Packers swept the Vikings
    2015 the Vikings swept the Packers
    2016 the teams split
    2017 the Vikings won the first game

    Zimmer is 4-3 vs Green Bay since he became Vikings head coach. Now if you go on the last 5 games played yes they are 4-1

  118. Huh? Keenum made bad teams mediocre? Lol, the Vikings have the 5th easiest schedule this year. That and a cheap shot to Rogers is the reason for their record. Brady would tear that defense to pieces, and the defense would be licking their chops to face Keenum
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    5th easiest schedule based on 2016 results. NOT based on current team’s performance. Vikings schedule isn’t looking so soft now eh? Saints, Steelers, Ravens, Lions twice, Falcons, Panthers, and even the Bengals are showing life.

  119. Your not accurate either,
    2014 the Packers swept the Vikings
    2015 the Vikings swept the Packers
    2016 the teams split
    2017 the Vikings won the first game

    Zimmer is 4-3 vs Green Bay since he became Vikings head coach. Now if you go on the last 5 games played yes they are 4-1

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    We did not sweep the Packers in 2015. I wish you were right, but we lost to them at home (L 13–30). We beat them in week 16 at Lablow thou for the NFC Crown.

  120. 1)Pats, 2)iggles, 3)steelers, 4)Vikings, 5)taints, 6)ramming it. 53)packers..

    Hard to take pats out of 1, when they onstitently put rings on Brady’s fingers.

    Iggles are playing very good. Have a good D and explosive offense. Super Bowl winning formula.

    Steelers beat Vikings

    Vikings beat taints and were rammin it.

    Packas couldn’t beat a pop warner team

  121. Cody Laws says:
    November 21, 2017 at 11:41 am
    I’d say if Pats play Vikings now they will lose. Defense wins championship.
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    Maybe someone should let the Seahawks and Falcons know that. Go Pats!!!!

  122. notwhoyouthinkitis says:
    November 22, 2017 at 2:55 pm
    “26. Cardinals (4-6; No. 23): Blaine Gabbert gets another start, while Colin Kaepernick still can’t get even a phone call.”

    THIS! Times 1000.
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    When is a GM or owner gonna get the brass balls to say the Kap is not being called because he stinks. Just because he made it to 1 SB. Really? The last 3 years he has played he is 13-28. His TD/INT is 41/19 with a QBR of 81.9. Is this the kind of QB U would want? I think not!! The MSM want us to believe it is about race but 32 owners know it is about the player and his ability, along with the cancer he would bring to a locker room. Why doesn’t anyone let RGIII play? For the same reason.

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