Some think Darnold, Rosen should stay in school

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When it comes to the draft, the best prospects of a given year go early, regardless of whether they’re prospects who are likely to become great players. This year, two of the quarterbacks perceived to be the best quarterback prospects from this bunch of prospects would likely be taken early in the draft. The question is whether they’re poised to become great players, right away or ever.

For USC’s Sam Darnold and UCLA’s Josh Rosen, both could choose to stay in school for one more year. And some in NFL circles think they should.

It’s a perception that comes both from scouts with teams that may be looking for a quarterback in the draft, and from scouts with teams that likely won’t be. As to Rosen, the thinking is that another year would assist with his maturity and leadership skills. As to Darnold, the thinking is that the extra year would help him improve his overall game.

As to Darnold, some still think he may choose to stay in school, and that he’d come out only if certain he’ll be a top-three pick. As to Rosen, some think he’ll enter the draft — and that he’ll likely be a top-10 pick if he does.

Officially, Rosen hasn’t finalized his plan.

“Everything matters when it comes to a decision like that, so I’ll take up all the different sorts of variables into the equation,” Rosen said Tuesday, via the Los Angeles Times. “Maybe in a few more weeks I’ll give you a good answer.”

In a few more weeks an answer necessarily will come (with the identity of his next coach surely a factor), because there’s a deadline for declaring early for the draft. Between now and then, Darnold and Rosen need to do all they can to get the best possible information about when and where they’ll go, if they choose to go.

60 responses to “Some think Darnold, Rosen should stay in school

  1. They both would be crazy to risk injury by staying another year. Rosen would be dealing with a completely new coaching staff. USC’s offensive philosophy keeps putting Darnold in danger by employing run/pass option plays. HC Helton and OC Tee Martin are actually encouraging Darnold to run more. Rosen and Darnold would be risking much more by staying than they could ever gain.

  2. Rosen is ready but Darold should spend another year in school. If he does, he could be the #1 pick in 2019.

  3. I always think of Matt Barkley. He was a lock for #1, but decided to stay and develop. Instead he lived under a microscope and everyone realized he wasn’t that good. Get out and strike while the iron is hot. This comment won’t even touch the injury angle, which is the #1 reason to bolt from NCAA.

  4. I know people are talking up Josh Allen from Wyoming as well. I’ve watched a few of his games. He’s not the answer either. Mayfield is the best QB coming out and even he still has to learn an NFL play book and faces maturity issues.

    This is the main reason why the ratings have slipped. There aren’t enough good QBS in the NFL and most colleges aren’t running pro style systems to develop their QBS into potential NFL players. Don’t get me wrong, their are incredible athletes in college but how many are actual NFL prospects? Lamar Jackson is fun to watch, but does anyone really think that will translate to the NFL?

  5. Can we stop with this argument that kids should stay in school. The NFL gives players a better opportunity for success. in college, these kids will be going to class, eat whatever is thrown their way, struggle to meet the demands of class, weight lifting and practice. In the pros, not only do these players not have to worry about going to class, they also gain a better perspective on the game. These guys see how the pros prepare, they have money to hire a nutritionist to understand the type of foods they should be eating and on and on.

    In my opinion, the only reason why anyone should stay in school is to better their draft status. these 2 guys will be in the top 10 of players drafted next year. We need to stop talking like college players somehow get better playing in college than in the pros.

  6. I would stay in school and enjoy playing football for one more your before my career and confidence and my overall sense of well being gets euthanized by being drafted by the Cleveland Browns.

  7. UCLA will be getting a new coach and needs a better offensive line. He is close to being NFL ready. It’s not as if he has to start week one. NY Giants are a good team for him.

  8. It’s funny how greedy these kids are coming out of college. They want to be a top 3 pick for the fame and the money that goes along with it but if they were just willing to make a little less their first 4 or 5 seasons and want to get drafted towards the end of the first round they would have a better chance of dropping in to a better situation and more than likely have better success. And success = money in the NFL. But hey go #1 in the first round and enjoy the Browns.

  9. Evaluating QBs has proven to be the most difficult thing for pro scouts and coaches. Rosen has shown about everything he can show. UCLA is having a coaching change, so Rosen should turn pro. Darnold does some things that are off the charts good, and some things that are off the charts bad. If nothing else, another year at USC might help scouts sort things out. Or at least he’ll help the 10% of scouts that 90% of the other scouts listen to. The biggest problem I see with evaluating QBs is most scouts don’t have confidence in their own ability, so they stick close to the herd for security. Most scouts are just following the lead cow around the pasture. Philadelphia didn’t do that with Wentz, and look how it’s paying off.

  10. zeeker187 says:

    November 22, 2017 at 7:11 am

    I would stay in school and enjoy playing football for one more your before my career and confidence and my overall sense of well being gets euthanized by being drafted by the Cleveland Browns.
    ———————————–

    Sure you would delay the second contract which is the bigger payday by a year yeah right………………

  11. .
    It’s the law of supply and demand. There’s too many teams scrounging for too few QBs. Some are game ready like Wentz and Prescott. Some are better served by a redshirt year like Brady and Goff.

    About the only way you can really tell is by getting them in camp and refining their raw talent. We’ve seen again and again that drafting QBs is the crap shoot within the crap shoot.
    .

  12. Rosen might be waffling on a decision waiting on the Chip Kelly decision. Or any other new head coach. Will stay and work in that kind of a a transition year help his draft stock?

  13. Whoever is in line to be picked first by the Browns should stay in school. Or join the Peace Corps. Or take a gap year. Or go to law school. Or go to dental hygiene school. Or become Mormon and go on a mission. Or switch to baseball. Or…

  14. It’s financially foolish to stay in school if you “know” you’ll be taken in the first round. I’m not even sure how another year in college is supposed make a player “better” than a year in the NFL. Presumably the NFL practice more, at pro speed and complexity and in most cases with better coaches and facilities. We’ll never know if the “if he had stayed in school” narratives would have happened. What we do know is that if a player is seriously injured in school he’s in big trouble. Mickey Mouse degree programs in “communications” make staying in school n even less compelling option.

    The question becomes far more difficult for the guys who are very good but not great and actually working toward a degree. The player projected to be a late round pick has the spectre of not being drafted and then not playing college ball and not finishing uniersity.

  15. I’m with zeeker. Hanging out in your dorm room hottub in SoCal sounds a lot more pleasant than getting sacked 50 times in Cleveland.

  16. Ryan Finley from NCST is better than both these stiffs, who have a large following for some reason. Every year the pundits show how little they know about QBs.

    Exhibit A = Deshaun Watson.

  17. Top QBs in the Draft go to bad teams. That is how it works. Both would be fine learning a system and Pro differences for a year like many of the greats did on the sideline under a Veteran. However, thrown to the fire on a team with obviously more than a single missing player is the new way. In my opinion neither will ever be better than the middle of the pack and should enjoy another year in College. The money is coming next year or the year after anyway.

  18. Both are currently kings of their school with Cali girls throwing themselves at them. Why give that up for Cleveland?

  19. Darnold doesn’t pass the eye test for me… He may have the measurable but watching games he just doesn’t have, ‘it’. Call me crazy, but I see a bust. I don’t get paid the big bucks to evaluate NFL Talent though so I’ll leave this one to the NY Jets or Cleveland Browns. SMH

  20. Both should stay in school, neither is dominant or can carry a team in college, the experience of another spring and fall will be invaluable to them maturity wise on and off the field.

  21. If you have a chance to be a high pick you are a fool to stay in school.
    Many hot QB prospects either regress or get hurt, or have have incident that causes their draft position to plummet. If you can get picked in the top 5 then take it, no exception.
    Plenty of highly credentialed college QBs never amount to anything.

  22. With all due respect to the experts, they say this about the top qbs who come out early every year. One thing they fail to consider is that these qbs can get a lot more coaching and instruction as pros than they would in college. Also, the learning curve is steep for a qb no matter when they come out or how prepared they are from college.

    I don’t think coming out early is the deathblow or even the deciding factor as to whether a qb develops into a good qb or busts out.

  23. Sam Darnold is going to be just fine. He is Ben Roethlisberger. Rosen may be the more NFL ready but Rosen is insecure and isn’t a leader. Darnold has the intangibles to lead a team to a superbowl. It’s what he has between the ears that Rosen doesn’t. Rosen has alienated his teammates and other people at UCLA. He is a talented kid but won’t be anything more then an immature punk. Darnold is the guy you want. I been saying it for two years!

  24. Darnold has regressed horribly this year. Last year he showed extreme intelligence and made minimal mistakes. This year he is fumbling and throwing way to0 many INT’s. This is reminding me of one Matt Barkley.

  25. You go to school to get a good job. If you can get that job that pays you millions before you graduate you take it. Complete your degree if you want after. If anyone can get drafted in the top 3 rounds you do it. Even if you need more development which by the way EVERYONE needs that, you get paid while it happens. Also, you no longer assume the injury risk while at school.
    Lastly, if you don’t perform great at first but gradually develop in year 3 or 4 in the NFL that second contract is what matters most. The sooner you leave school the sooner you vested veteran status is achieved.
    The only upside to staying in school is maybe, maybe you get drafted higher the next year but that means you are one year further from free agency so it’s still a net loss. Rookie contracts are the most team friendly, get the second contract faster.

  26. Darnold has been a turnover machine this year. INTs and fumbles combined is pushing 20 for the season. There’s no way he makes it in the NFL unless he takes care of the football better.

  27. If you pass up a chance to be the 1st and 2nd overall pick and get a 20 million dollar signing bonus you are crazy. You can finish school later. Even if you are bust you are set for life.

    Stay in school and drop down the draft board, or worse get injured and never play in the NFL and you just gave up triple what an average executive would make in their whole career.

    The talking heads, scouts, college coaches, whomever need to stop trying to convince players that will surely go in the first round to stay in school.

  28. Yeah Darnold has some turnover issues, so did Dan Marino at Pitt. He threw almost as many INTs in one college season as Matt Schaub, aka Mr Pick 6, threw in his entire 4 year college career.

    Just a weird comparison to show that one cherry picked college stat doesn’t determine their merits as a pro. Saying “oh Darnold throws picks, he’s a bust” isn’t analysis.

  29. I understand considering staying in school if you’re a non-first rounder this year, but might be a first rounder next year, and it’s a close call. Anyone else should bolt to the NFL, and avoid risking a torn ACL/MCL. The Browns can pick only one QB, and it’s my guess that neither of these guys is going #1. Imagine if Deshaun Watson could have stayed another year, and tears his ACL during a meaningless college football practice. He’d drop to a 3rd or 4th round pick, easy.

    I hope the team I root for, the Arizona Cardinals, drafts Lamar Jackson. Dude is the most electric QB in the draft, and some have Jackson ranked as the top QB in the draft. He’s a roll of the dice, but hey, aren’t they all?

  30. maddmatter5 says:
    November 22, 2017 at 7:01 am
    I know people are talking up Josh Allen from Wyoming as well. I’ve watched a few of his games. He’s not the answer either. Mayfield is the best QB coming out and even he still has to learn an NFL play book and faces maturity issues.

    This is the main reason why the ratings have slipped. There aren’t enough good QBS in the NFL and most colleges aren’t running pro style systems to develop their QBS into potential NFL players. Don’t get me wrong, their are incredible athletes in college but how many are actual NFL prospects? Lamar Jackson is fun to watch, but does anyone really think that will translate to the NFL?
    ————

    Mayfield is literally Manziel 2.0.

    You cannot be serious.

  31. If these QBs are indeed likely to be top 15 picks in this upcoming draft, they would be fools to not jump in. In the past when a QB has stayed in school “but likely would have been a top 10 pick if he had come out”, it’s been far more common for said QB to drop, sometimes by a lot, than rise to the first few picks of the draft. If they might be second round picks, sure, stay on school and iron out the kinks, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.

  32. Quick name a top 10 QB from USC, Florida, Florida St, or Miami since 1990. I suppose Carson Palmer comes close but that’s it. However, he quit on two NFL teams.

    Draft a QB from any of those schools at your own peril.

  33. zeeker187 says:

    November 22, 2017 at 7:11 am

    I would stay in school and enjoy playing football for one more your before my career and confidence and my overall sense of well being gets euthanized by being drafted by the Cleveland Browns.

    _________________________________

    This post wins the thread…lol.

  34. Darnold, sure. USC is headed the right direction and could be a top 5-10 school next year.

    Rosen? No chance! He should hire an agent immediately and tell him its the Giants and nobody else.

  35. You have rocks in your head if you think they should stay in school.

    You can finish school at night during the off-season.

  36. Something about Rosen strikes me as unlikeable in a Jay Cutler sort of way. That won’t matter to any GM in the league because he can throw the ball, but just an impression I get.

  37. Both are currently kings of their school with Cali girls throwing themselves at them. Why give that up for Cleveland?
    =====

    Didn’t work out too well for Matt Leinart…….

  38. aarons444 says:
    November 22, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Quick name a top 10 QB from USC, Florida, Florida St, or Miami since 1990.
    =====

    Jameis Winston…
    ________________________________________________________

    Not a top 10 QB by any reasonable metric.

  39. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    November 22, 2017 at 12:50 pm
    aarons444 says:
    November 22, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Quick name a top 10 QB from USC, Florida, Florida St, or Miami since 1990.
    =====

    Jameis Winston…
    ________________________________________________________

    Not a top 10 QB by any reasonable metric.
    ——–

    You are out of your mind.

    Koetter is ruining Winston.

    He will be all-time great with the right coach and system.

  40. granadafan says:
    November 22, 2017 at 11:34 am
    Quick name a top 10 QB from USC, Florida, Florida St, or Miami since 1990. I suppose Carson Palmer comes close but that’s it. However, he quit on two NFL teams.

    Draft a QB from any of those schools at your own peril.
    —————

    Says the Oregon fan.

  41. Baker Mayfield is the best available collegiate QB based on his current 3-year season record with the Okie Sooners which bears a 5.5:1 TD:INT ratio with an 88.0 average QBR. Darnold and Rosen, albeit taller in height (6’4″), both share a smaller record of stats, especially Darnold who has played for USC for only two full seasons, which is why he really needs to return to school. For Rosen who has already played 3 years at UCLA, the San Francisco 49ers will be more than pleased to draft him. Mayfield to the Cleveland Browns would be a smart choice, regardless of whether Mayfield gets the Heisman nod and/or whether Mayfield loses his temper. Back in the day… when John McEnroe (“JohnnieMac”/Pro Tennis) lost his temper, he then played exceedingly well. Did Mayfield not TROUNCE the Kansas Jayhawks (41-3 with 3 TDs) for the handshake diss? lol

  42. john baxter says:
    November 22, 2017 at 7:02 am

    “in college, these kids will be going to class, eat whatever is thrown their way, struggle to meet the demands of class, weight lifting and practice…”

    College football players go to class? Who knew…

  43. In my opinion Rosen has to go…don’t worry about the browns…they still need a qb which means they haven’t drafted one high since kizer or weeden also keep in mind the Browns have passed on numerous QBs dating back to Russell Wilson. You never know where these players will end up. Bortles to jville was a shocker…trubisky to chitown was too. To put it all in perspective…does getting drafted high really matter because some of the top QBs in the league were all drafted outside of the top 10 and in some cases not even in the first…BRADY, WILSON, AROD, BREES, COUSINS.

  44. “Didn’t work out too well for Matt Leinart”.

    Did you ever see the pictures of the chicks Leinart was hanging out with during and after USC? Are you aware that he has a sweet radio host/television commenting deal?

    I’d say that it worked out pretty well for Matt.

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