Packers say helmet-to-helmet hit ruined final drive

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Packers quarterback Brett Hundley played his best game of the season, but they don’t think he was at his best after a late helmet-to-helmet hit from Steelers outside linebacker T.J. Watt.

Watt sacked Hundley on the first play of the Packers final drive, which began with the game tied 28-28 and 1:20 left on the clock.

There was no penalty called on the play. On the next one, running back Jamaal Williams took a short pass out of bounds, stopping the clock with 32 seconds left.

“There was a hit on the first play,” Packers coach Mike McCarthy said, via Rob Demovsky of ESPN.com. “We all recognized it. The quarterback wasn’t checked. . . .

“The play entry from the boundary went in late because I thought there was a helmet-to-helmet hit on Brett Hundley. You obviously check to see if your quarterback’s OK. That’s a natural reaction in the flow of the game. It might affect how you’re going to call the second play, too. That’s what happened as far as Jamaal. I don’t fault Jamaal for going out of bounds on the second down.

“Jamaal didn’t know we were out of the two-minute mode. . . . It’s football. It happens. Hey, I don’t want to see officials make calls in the fourth quarter of a game. It happens sometimes. It happened tonight. That’s the reality of what happened. No excuses. That’s where we were.”

Hundley said he didn’t tell Williams to stay in bounds, since the plan was to play for overtime. Instead, the Steelers got another stop, and drove for the game-winning field goal.

“It’s football,” Hundley said. “You’ve got to get up and keep playing. Threw a screen, and we just didn’t communicate with Jamaal … letting him know what the situation is, and that’s on me as the quarterback to let him know and let our offense know what our thoughts are going into the down.”

We’ll see if Hundley turns up in the concussion protocol, as has happened multiple times in recent weeks. But he certainly played his best game since taking over for Aaron Rodgers, passing for 245 yards and three touchdowns.

81 responses to “Packers say helmet-to-helmet hit ruined final drive

  1. May as well give Callahan a shot. It took four games for Hundley to finally play decently, on the road, and against a very hot and very good team. It took four games.

    Let’s see what Callahan can do.

  2. That helmet-to-helmet hit by Watt was very unintentional. However, Hundley had pulled the ball down and started up field. This made him a runner and, even if it was unintentional, made the helmet-to-helmet a legal hit.

  3. Not sure how you miss that. Having said that not all QB’s get the same treatment. The packers found that out the hard way. It is how the refs call games. Not saying it is right but watch the games. Rodgers gets that call. Others big name QB’s do too.

  4. I noticed a couple of things. First MM didn’t say it was unnecessary. And too Hundley didn’t whine about the hit at all. Refreshing coming from that team and coach.

  5. I don’t think anyone saw this game from Hundley coming. Good for him if he can keep it up. Everyone had written him off.

  6. So, wait. Mike McCarthy says they recognized that Huntley should be checked, but he did nothing to have him pulled from the game to be checked? Why is he waiting for someone else to do it? He’s the head coach. He has the authority to pull the player and have him checked. Instead, he leaves Huntley in and has a convenient scapegoat to point to if they lose.

  7. Just another example of why they need to tweak the concussion rule to protect QB’s. In a situation like that, there should be an official time out to have the QB checked out quickly. If he’s ok, he can return immediately. Otherwise, there is a reluctance to pull your QB out with the game on the line.

  8. I’m always amazed at the ignorance of so many football players, both college and supposedly professionals. How in the world do they not understand the game situation and know whether they should go out of bounds to preserve the clock or stay in bounds to burn it.

    This is neither rocket surgery or brain science. Most have been playing this game for 15 years, and they still haven’t figured it out. Kind of sad.

  9. You don’t say?

    Keep it up Watt, love seeing you use your brain for something. Steelers have a great track record with former players and brain injuries. No flag waving can save you from CTE, bruh.

  10. “No excuses. That’s where we were.”

    But you guys heard me about the hit, and checking the QB because I am safety first, and being so worried that I didn’t call a run or tell my players to stay in bounds, right?

  11. The penalty should have been called. But it’s not the refs that screwed the Packers. Numerous execution or mental problems throughout the 3rd quarter did us in. Then, when Williams made a stupid decision to run out of bounds, we all knew what was going to happen. Great players are going to make great plays, and Ben, Brown and Bell did that all game. Gotta tip your cap. Also, we now have to win out to get in.

    Please Mike, Fire Dom. And please, Ted. Retire.

  12. I like the non call here, even though I believe it could/should have been called per the rules. The reason I like the non call is that Hundley tucks the ball and is beginning to run with the ball, it just happened that the hole he seen to run in wasn’t really there because his lineman was shielding his view of Watt.

  13. IF there was a penalty called, isn’t it a big possibilty Hundley would have been out of the game if he ended up getting checked and put into concussion protocol?
    I don’t even know his back-up is.

  14. Packers coach Mike McCarthy said “We all recognized it. The quarterback wasn’t checked…”

    Well then why didn’t McCarthy take him out of the game to check him?

  15. the most ridiculous thing that happened during that game was when Chris Collinsworth said (paraphrasing) “I don’t think Aaron Rodgers would have played any better”.

    I thought Hundley played pretty well, but that comment was bizarre to say the least. And I’m not a Packers fan

  16. I bet Matt Moore would tell you; Shazier “crowning” him probably ruined any momentum the Phins had in their game versus this trash defense.

    Maybe someone should send some vids to the league office?

  17. The refs missed that blatant helmet to helmet hit, but they threw the flag on bills cornerback Gaines who barely touched the receiver. So NFL

  18. At least this gave McCarthy something to dwell on other than his boneheaded decision to try a 57-yard FG that failed and was the pivotal play call that directly lead to the Packers loss.

  19. awfully nice of McCarthey since- once again- the Stealers were absolutely given another game by the NFL – That no call and the (non)catch by Antonia Brown on the sideline were ridiculous.

  20. I like McCarthy … but … he will find it impossible to tread this line, speaking out of both sides of his mouth.

    If Hundley was affected by the hit and McCarthy saw it well enough that the Ref’s should have called it … then McCarthy is irresponsible for letting a concussed player stay in the game.

    Or, like I see it, it was incidental contact, on a hard hitting play that probably winded Hundley and he needed a minute to regroup. Just Football. McCarthy did his job well.

    Which is it?

  21. Packers whine. It is what they do. Hundley dropped his head before the hit. Good no call. Coaching sucks as usual. Give them a glimmer of wild card hope so Erin can come back and hurt his fragile body.

  22. Not sure if it is illegal (due to Hundley starting to run), but it is dirty. Watt purposely used his helmet to strike Hundley’s helmet. He did the same thing to the Browns Kizer in Week 1, and Tuitt did the same thing to the Colts Brissett a few weeks back. Shazier and Mitchell do it often. Are the Steelers coaching players to do this? HC Tomlin? DC Butler? LB coach Porter?

  23. Oh well. That’s how the game goes, it’s a bang-bang play and there was no intent. I suppose the hit caused the RB to run out of bounds on 2nd down too, right? Gimme a break.

  24. That was a hard hit to Hundley’s head. On replay you could see him putting his hand on his helmet after he was on the ground as if his head hurt. Don’t know how the officials missed it. Watt should have been flagged.

  25. Should have been a flag

    HOWEVER Davonte Adams did not complete the catch on the 4th & 6 which led to the tying TD on the possession earlier, so take it easy Mike.

  26. It wasn’t called because it wasn’t a penalty. Hundley had tucked the ball and was starting to run. He is, thus, considered a running back with respect to being tackled until the time he starts to slide. Would that tackle draw a flag on a running back? absolutely not. he wasn’t defenseless, Watt didn’t lead with the crown of his head. It was just a tough hard nosed football play.

    McCarthy should be more worried about the bone-headed decision to try a 57 yard field goal.

  27. A hit that probably should have been called, but I don’t think the refs wanted to be responsible for deciding a game. 15 more yards puts GB a play or 2 from a FG.

    It isn’t why we lost. Although Hundley played a great deal better, he just isn’t AR and the defense couldn’t stop anything when it mattered as per normal. Pity we waited until playing the steelers on the road to play with some passion. Now it’s win out or go home.

    toodlez

  28. Three entire quarters of football play without a penalty? Wow the Packers sure played a clean game, wink wink.

    Not sure how anyone could accuse the NFL/Steelers of putting the fix in, Herculi was tossing hankies like they were Terrible Towels all ding-dong night!

  29. I thought the Packers had an impressive performance last night and had a chance to win the game against a very good team. However, their whining and blaming everyone else for their losses gets tiresome.

  30. Hundley actually was the one who lowered his helmet after becoming a runner, great non-call by the officials since it was Hundley and not Watt who caused the helmet to helmet contact.

  31. Wow. Even now. With no dog in the fight, even now the Viking trolls continue to be more fascinated with the Packers than their own team. Funny how that works. I wouldn’t think anybody would let something get that deep into their heads and allow it to have so much control!

    Especially now!

  32. if it was so obvious why wasn’t the packer athletic trainer guy forcing him off the field for concussion evaluation? isn’t that the whole purpose of concussion protocol now? If there is an obvious viscous helmet to helmet hit they’re supposed to remove the player from the game.

  33. McCarthy “We all recognized it. The quarterback wasn’t checked”

    So you admit that you knowingly let a player continue with a possible concussion? That is deserving of a Suspension!

  34. Can’t count the number of holds & Pass Interference infractions Green Bay got away with last night, while every rag that could be thrown against the Steelers was. Officiating in the NFL is driven more by Vegas than the rule book…

  35. Want to whine about 1 possible missed call? They Steelers suffered more because of the missed calls, notably the missed PI not called on the game tying drive at the end of the game.

  36. Do any of you guys even watch football because it sure seems you don’t know much about it.

    #1. Nobody on the Packers is whining.
    Both Mike McCarthy and Brett Hundley have owned up and taken responsibility for not letting Williams know they were out of the 2 minute drill.
    And basically, this is on Hundley for not making sure it was communicated properly in the Huddle.
    The previous hit and the situation at hand might have led to this.

    #2. With Green Bay out of timeouts it’s up to the official to take control if they feel a player is concussed.
    That would have allowed the proper time for a substitution.
    To the genius who says the Packers subverted the concussion rule, I’m guessing you’re just another ignorant, bomb throwing Barney fan.

    3. Rather than throw more insults and barbs at the Pack, try doing the simple and respectful thing and tip your cap to the Steelers on a great win.
    They deserve it. Well played.

  37. Wafflestomp says:

    3. Rather than throw more insults and barbs at the Pack, try doing the simple and respectful thing..
    ==========================================

    How about when your fan base gives the Vikings the same courtesy, we will. Until then, you and your fellow packers fans have reaped this whirlwind. So, just sit back and take it- you’ve earned it and then some.

  38. steaksandwichandsteaksandwich says:
    November 27, 2017 at 9:02 am
    Not sure if it is illegal (due to Hundley starting to run), but it is dirty. Watt purposely used his helmet to strike Hundley’s helmet. He did the same thing to the Browns Kizer in Week 1, and Tuitt did the same thing to the Colts Brissett a few weeks back. Shazier and Mitchell do it often. Are the Steelers coaching players to do this? HC Tomlin? DC Butler? LB coach Porter?
    ————-
    Every other team has a dirty player that pulls this stuff – the Steelers seem to have a whole team. I wouldn’t be shocked if there was some Bountygate type stuff going on (not that the league would ever investigate them)

  39. Was a pretty well-played and fun game to watch. Pack offense looked pretty versatile, but looks like the D, particularly the D-line and pass rush, needs some work.

  40. Was a pretty well-played and fun game to watch. Pack offense looked pretty versatile, but looks like the D, particularly the D-line and pass rush, needs some work.
    =====

    They’ve been stout against the run, but yes, they have issues getting to the QB.. which is essential given Capers coverages simply don’t hold up.. with or WITHOUT a pass rush.

    They need a blue-chipper up front. Hopefully they can get it in this Draft, given they won’t be picking near the 30s again.

  41. wafflestomp says:
    November 27, 2017 at 11:28 am
    Do any of you guys even watch football because it sure seems you don’t know much about it.

    #1. Nobody on the Packers is whining.
    Both Mike McCarthy and Brett Hundley have owned up and taken responsibility for not letting Williams know they were out of the 2 minute drill.
    And basically, this is on Hundley for not making sure it was communicated properly in the Huddle.
    The previous hit and the situation at hand might have led to this.

    #2. With Green Bay out of timeouts it’s up to the official to take control if they feel a player is concussed.
    That would have allowed the proper time for a substitution.
    To the genius who says the Packers subverted the concussion rule, I’m guessing you’re just another ignorant, bomb throwing Barney fan.

    3. Rather than throw more insults and barbs at the Pack, try doing the simple and respectful thing and tip your cap to the Steelers on a great win.
    They deserve it. Well played.

    ————

    Requoted for someone finally posting an intelligent response. Name one coach in this league that pulls his qb because he thinks he’s concussed. The refs stop play for injuries and any possible concussions. If they didnt stop the game, it’s on the refs.

    The only people on here asking for otherwise are uninformed football fans, or Viking fans stirring the pot. Those two things happen to be the same thing.

    I will put the field goal attempt squarely on McCarthy though. Too much data suggests a poor decision.

  42. I’ve read intent at least a dozen times in this thread. Intent doesn’t matter, you cant hit a quarterback in the head. Even some buffoon said something about being a runner. That call hurt but there was no guarantee the Packers would win in OT. You have to finish the game in regulation and make enough plays to make sure officals can’t screw it up for you.

  43. billtetley53 says:
    November 27, 2017 at 12:07 pm
    How about when your fan base gives the Vikings the same courtesy, we will. Until then, you and your fellow packers fans have reaped this whirlwind. So, just sit back and take it- you’ve earned it and then some.
    ///////////////////////////////////:

    He wasn’t talking to Viking trolls. Why are you even here?

  44. wafflestomp says:
    #1. Nobody on the Packers is whining.
    Both Mike McCarthy and Brett…
    ——————————
    McCarthy: “Hey, I don’t want to see officials make calls in the fourth quarter of a game. It happens sometimes. It happened tonight.”

    Umm…..

  45. billtetley53 says:
    November 27, 2017 at 12:07 pm
    How about when your fan base gives the Vikings the same courtesy, we will. Until then, you and your fellow packers fans have reaped this whirlwind. So, just sit back and take it- you’ve earned it and then some.
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    You talk as though the Vikings have earned respect on the level of the Packers somewhere along the line. Please, give us one example. Just one. The Packers have never received the respect they’ve earned and deserve from the Viking trolls.

    It starts with you.

  46. Personally I think he only “tucked the ball to run” at the last second when he knew he was going to get blasted. Prior to that I think he was still in the pocket intending to pass.

    I’m fine with it not being called, but then I also don’t want to see it called when QBs duck/twist/lean back at the last second with an oncoming rush. I don’t know how many times I see a player headed for the QB’s shoulder or chest, only to have them move at the last second so that the defenders helmet/facemask hits the head.

  47. remember last season when the Vikings lost the cowboys game when Bradford was hit hard on the face mask and no flag was thrown? packer fans chastised is the whining. i’m glad it now happened to them!

  48. Not worried about the non-call, nor am I worried about the hate coming from Vikings fans. It’s actually good for the rest of the readers of this forum to see their antics.

  49. stellarperformance says:

    November 27, 2017 at 3:43 pm

    billtetley53 says:
    November 27, 2017 at 12:07 pm
    How about when your fan base gives the Vikings the same courtesy, we will. Until then, you and your fellow packers fans have reaped this whirlwind. So, just sit back and take it- you’ve earned it and then some.
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    You talk as though the Vikings have earned respect on the level of the Packers somewhere along the line. Please, give us one example. Just one. The Packers have never received the respect they’ve earned and deserve from the Viking trolls.

    It starts with you.
    ============================================================
    I fully respect the packers franchise. it is a the arrogant,blowhard fans that I have no respect for. It starts with you..

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