The Giants are tanking

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The Giants are doing that which everyone thought the Jets would be doing.

With full knowledge and appreciation of the fact that their season is lost, the Giants are choosing to lose as many games as possible, in order to set up the best possible draft positioning for 2018.

Sure, they’ll deny it. But anyone who gets it knows what’s going on. It’s a tanking, plain and simple.

And there’s nothing wrong with it. If you’re going to lose anyway, losing as many as possibly creates a very real win.

Not that new starter Geno Smith will try to lose. That’s not how tanking in the NFL works. The players and the coaches (except in some cases, like the Bucs vs. the Saints in Week 17 of the 2014 season for the Jameis Winston pick) will try to win. Tanking happens when an organization decides to see what the backups can do in a given game, necessarily making it harder to win the given game.

Although the decision to bench Eli Manning for Geno Smith will be presented as being made by coach Ben McAdoo, don’t kid yourself. He’s doing what he’s told by others who realize the value of being so bad that it enhances the chances of being good, sooner than later.

So enjoy the ride, Giants fans. You already knew the destination. If the team plays it just right (wrong) down the stretch, the Giants could end up with one of the top picks in each round of the draft — and maybe they’ll have their next Eli Manning by this time next year.

75 responses to “The Giants are tanking

  1. I hate the Giants, mostly because of Eli Manning. However, I disagree with this article. I believe that they are trying to see if Davis Webb can be their starter going forward or if they need to draft another quarterback in the offseason.

  2. Eli will continue his starting consecutive streak Sunday it just won’t be with the GIANTS ,,he may be quiet but he ain’t sitting for no age no Smith !

  3. Don’t care, with the GM they have who has ignored the teams needs for so long, what is the point of tanking? Reese can’t draft outside of wide outs and DE. They got rid of the wrong guy in Coughlin (Jaguars just making that obvious, but don’t feel bad, the jags did the same thing 13 years earlier).

    If anyone was ever screaming to be fired that Giants FO is. If I was the owner, I would happily help them find new work.

  4. You must not have watched many Giants games this year. Manning threw perfect passes to a rb and their highly touted te and clang. The rb dropped one after another. The Giants don’t have to try and lose. They are terrible especially the young players.

  5. Good. Only a fool wants to see his team win 5 or 6 games. I was disgusted when we beat the hapless Chiefs two weeks ago.

  6. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    November 28, 2017 at 4:11 pm
    Eli will continue his starting consecutive streak Sunday it just won’t be with the GIANTS ,,he may be quiet but he ain’t sitting for no age no Smith !
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    Blow a fuse, Elmer?

    Have your mom hold your tongue down, so that you don’t choke on it.

  7. I assume that since they are starting Geno Smith that thy already have their answer on Davis Webb? Why would you waste any games on Smith if you need as much time to see what Webb has as you can possibly get?

  8. I truly hate it, but NYG should absolutely tank for the best possible pick. It makes the most sense for future success. A top 3 pick is a valuable commodity – to use or trade.

  9. Problem is, not matter who is starting they’ll be trash as long as McAdoo is coaching. People want to blame Eli for their problems, but the coaching staff is garbage, they haven’t done anything to shore up the offensive line and their top three receivers all went down at the same time (though Shepard came back).

  10. pftcancer says:
    November 28, 2017 at 4:11 pm
    I hate the Giants, mostly because of Eli Manning. However, I disagree with this article. I believe that they are trying to see if Davis Webb can be their starter going forward or if they need to draft another quarterback in the offseason.
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    That would be a great point if it was not for the fact that they’re starting Geno Smith

  11. Disagree. They just aren’t very good. No guarantees in the NFL draft, with plenty of high draft picks not working out for many teams. Draft smarter, not necessarily higher.

  12. So let me get this straight, bench Eli to see what these other QBs have. At the same time leave a LT in who has almost got your qb killed. Been a long time Giant fan and I am at the point now where I would be Ok if you brought Ray Handley to replace McAdoo

  13. Jim Irsay probably directed the tanking in Indy to get the top pick to draft Andrew Luck – but it will never be proven. However, John Mara is not the sort of owner who would engage or even consider this sort of practice. The Mara and Tisch families are what other NFL owners aspire to be when it comes to ethics and their responsibilities.

  14. The Giants are tanking

    Unless they aren’t.
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    You’re not allowed to do that.

    Unless you are.

  15. If the Giants intend on tanking as a Giant fan then We all should make sure we rank the season as well and not support by buying merchandise or snacks at the stadium. There are no sure bets coming in this QB class

  16. It is only fitting that the Giants would undermine the draft to replace the guy they helped undermine the draft. These fake cramp artists are why the word “scorn” exists.

  17. I thought I would never see the day of Geno Smith being the starting quarterback on the Giants especially how bad he was on the Jets.

  18. They should release Eli so he can get a few weeks in Jacksonville before the playoff start. Then Eli can face Brady in the playoffs

  19. It’s a lost year. Why waste valuable real game experience on a vet like Eli when you can see what you have in the back ups. Shocked that Geno is up first but i doubt he gets more then 2 games. I’m sure the GM and the owners would rather win out and know what they have in those QBs then draft 5-6 spots higher.

  20. wib22 says:
    November 28, 2017 at 4:20 pm
    Watch them draft the next qb star instead of the jets LOL

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    Or watch the Jets go with a proven commodity at QB and continue to build their team with 60 mil plus in cap space and build through the draft while the Giants throw Rosen or Darnold who are nothing to write home about to begin with into the fire on a horrible team.

  21. The Giants are likely to get a top 3 or 4 pick. Since 1980 they’ve drafted in the top 4 three times: LT in 81, Carl Banks in 84, and Philip Rivers in 04. They have a good history of not screwing up prime picks.

  22. drunkraider says:
    November 28, 2017 at 4:13 pm
    who ever is at QB is going to look awesome against the Raiders secondary.
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    Unless his name is “Paxton Lynch”, apparently. And how god-awful he must REALLY be to have looked that terrible against the Raiders secondary!

  23. So there’s nothing wrong with tanking? Then if they’re really doing it, the Giants ought to give back every penny their fans paid for tickets for the last two home games, and any home games that are still remaining.

  24. pftcancer says:
    November 28, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    I hate the Giants, mostly because of Eli Manning. However, I disagree with this article. I believe that they are trying to see if Davis Webb can be their starter going forward or if they need to draft another quarterback in the offseason.
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    I’m not a football genius, but they probably won’t learn a lot about Webb by starting Geno Smith.

  25. When Geno Smith was drafted, many NFL people thought the same thing they’re currently thinking about guys like Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen. Maybe the Giants were among those teams with high hopes for Geno. People are not quick to admit they were wrong, so I’m sure there are those who are still making excuses for Geno. I’m not saying they’d be wrong. In the perfect scenario, Geno could be a winning QB. So the Giants are more than covered for playing him. He could end up being better than the QB they’re tanking for. So yes, Florio, you’re right about the tanking. But the Giants are in the right. What would really be funny is if Geno turns out so be better than they thought, and goes out and gets a couple wins. Then they’d lose out on Darnold, or whoever they’re tanking for. Also, some are out there saying the Giants are tanking for continuing to play Eli. I guess that’s life in the big city.

  26. elmerbrownelmerbrown says:
    November 28, 2017 at 4:21 pm
    Eli has more Super Bowl rings than the iggles have in almost 60 years lol

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    You seriously need new material. Your team just benched a 2 time SB winning QB with 210 consecutive starts. Due to your one track mind you are missing what’s actually happening; the iggles (as you say) now have a guy who is going to haunt you for a decade or more. I’m sure you’ll say that I’m delusional, but I have been watching football a long time and this guy Wentz is a winner and he’s making everybody around him better. You know, like Eli did for many years until his front office and team quit on him.

  27. arwiv says:
    November 28, 2017 at 4:48 pm

    The Giants are likely to get a top 3 or 4 pick. Since 1980 they’ve drafted in the top 4 three times: LT in 81, Carl Banks in 84, and Philip Rivers in 04. They have a good history of not screwing up prime picks.
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    Among the things those picks had in common are NOT having been selected By JOHN Mara and Jerry Reese.

  28. wib22 says:
    November 28, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    Or watch the Jets go with a proven commodity at QB

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    Mccown

    LMAO!
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    McCown: 235/349/2549 17/8 95.3

    Cutler: 175/271/1602 13/9 82.7

    LMAO!

  29. pftcancer says:
    November 28, 2017 at 4:11 pm
    I hate the Giants, mostly because of Eli Manning. However, I disagree with this article. I believe that they are trying to see if Davis Webb can be their starter going forward or if they need to draft another quarterback in the offseason.

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    The team in a division with Wentz, Prescott, and Cousins at QB is wondering if they need to draft a QB?
    The team in the division with

  30. On one hand people say scouting is an inexact science. On the other hand, they say teams will tank for a higher pick. If it’s an inexact science, tanking doesn’t make sense. Did the 49ers tank for Alex Smith, when they could have waited and drafted Aaron Rodgers?

  31. “The Giants ought to give back every penny their fans paid for the last two home games, and any home games remaining”.

    Part of being a real fan is enduring your team’s ups and downs. If your already losing why not embrace the interest of watching the younger guys? Not to mention improving the future draft picks.

  32. Why aren’t the media making this a huge racial issue like they did when the bills started Peterman? What a joke. It’s blatantly racist when the roles are reversed and you know what I mean

  33. And there’s nothing wrong with it.
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    Like hell there isn’t. This is football, not basketball or baseball. NBA teams have tanked for years and I don’t remember any of them actually benefiting from it. The Atlanta Braves have gotten rid of their best players over the last several years and management actually said (in 2015 or 2016) they hope to be competitive in 2018 or 2019. The NFL has gone out of its way to promote parity so that every team has some hope at the beginning of every year. Giants fans have forked over a king’s ransom for PSL and season tix. Quitting like this constitutes fraud IMHO. If they had a young guy to start and they need to see what they have for next year that is one thing…but they are starting a guy who has over 30 career starts. There is nothing to learn from that. I’m not a big individual stats guy but killing Eli’s streak because they would rather lose just doesn’t sit well with me. Granted, I don’t follow the Giants so Eli may deserve to be benched…but I find it hard to believe they expect Geno to be better.

  34. jpk6044 says:
    November 28, 2017 at 4:11 pm
    Blowsen for Rosen? Best I could do
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    Just Loosin for Josh Rosen?

  35. Is it still called tanking when the entire team is pathetic and putrid from top to bottom and no matter who they play, the results will be the same? I always thought that was just called, bad.

  36. Geno freaking Smith , they must be tanking but to screw Eli like this is a disgrace . The G men are done so they need to fire the GM and coach , trade OBJ as he is a cancer and will never be happy unless they give him 25 million a year . The RAMS , EAGLES . VIKES , all young and ready to rule the NFC anyway so time to rebuild

  37. LMFAO….so lets count this up.

    Embarrass a legend…bench him for a bum…the same legend that bought you 2 of the greatest SB wins in SB history…the same legend with no running game or offensive line.

    wow what a dumpster fire. They could have easily shut him down with a mythical injury for the season and let him exit gracefully…instead they essentially shame him.

    Couldn’t have happenned to a classier organization or fanbase.

  38. Reece not only killed The Streak. He killed A Legend. If Mara and Tisch had any respect for the legacy of Wellington Mara they would fire Reece and McAdoo now and admit the mistakes. Not bench a legend.

  39. well… they’re out the playoffs… might as well evaluate the talent in real game situations. I say they already tanked and Eli is going to do what, exactly, win one more game than the other two?

  40. So your not tanking by continuing to play Eli Manning who has been terrible every game and has only won 2 games this year but your are tanking if you bench him for Geno Smith. I guess if you keep saying it often enough it will probably come true given the Law of Large Numbers.

  41. Losing the remaining games just so the Giants can get a high draft pick is insane. I doubt that they want that pick for a QB since they draft David Webb in the 3rd round of last years draft and there aren’t too many quality O-linemen(Giants O-line is terrible) in the upcoming 2018 draft to pick from. So I’m not sure where the Giants FO head is at, but losing the remainder of their games on purpose isn’t going to get them anywhere but at the bottom of the NFC East which they own regardless.

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